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(6) Place the cursor under the dash in the <-> field
(7) Find the note [or event] you want to change
(8) Scoll to the dur [duration] value and change it.

i get this far, but after changing the length value and then scrolling back, 
the value hasnt changed, do i have to insert some enter?

You could also change notes en masse with quantize.

With the comon quantizing? it quantizes note lengths too???????

[Thank god for the XX7 group!]
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Note with quantizing, with the Pattern Edit command "Scale/Shift Note 
Durations".  This will change all note durations on the selected tracks, 
either by a fixed value (ie, you add 7 to all note values) or by a 
percentage (ie, all notes are made 7% longer).

rEalm





(6) Place the cursor under the dash in the <-> field
(7) Find the note [or event] you want to change
(8) Scoll to the dur [duration] value and change it.

i get this far, but after changing the length value and then scrolling 
back, 
the value hasnt changed, do i have to insert some enter?

You could also change notes en masse with quantize.

With the comon quantizing? it quantizes note lengths too???????

[Thank god for the XX7 group!]
T.

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i didnt ment that, thanks anyhow...
what i ment is a function like cubases quantize duracion [individual length 
with a certain grid]
is there any way to do that with the XX7?


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From: erik_magrini@...
Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [xl7] How to edit individual note lengths; How to set up note 
lengths in step mode
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:12:56 -0500

Note with quantizing, with the Pattern Edit command "Scale/Shift Note
Durations".  This will change all note durations on the selected tracks,
either by a fixed value (ie, you add 7 to all note values) or by a
percentage (ie, all notes are made 7% longer).

rEalm





(6) Place the cursor under the dash in the <-> field
(7) Find the note [or event] you want to change
(8) Scoll to the dur [duration] value and change it.

i get this far, but after changing the length value and then scrolling
back,
the value hasnt changed, do i have to insert some enter?

You could also change notes en masse with quantize.

With the comon quantizing? it quantizes note lengths too???????

[Thank god for the XX7 group!]
T.

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Oh gotcha, no way to really do that directly.  However, a possible 
workaround (depending on your needs) would be to first use the Scale/Shift 
Duration function to scale all notes to a 0% duration, and then do it 
again using the Shift setting for actual note lengths you want.  This way, 
all notes will end up the exact same length. 

Otherwise, might just be easier to chuck the pattern into Cubase and do it 
there!

rEalm




what i ment is a function like cubases quantize duracion [individual 
length 
with a certain grid]
is there any way to do that with the XX7?


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From: erik_magrini@...
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To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [xl7] How to edit individual note lengths; How to set up note 

lengths in step mode
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:12:56 -0500

Note with quantizing, with the Pattern Edit command "Scale/Shift Note
Durations".  This will change all note durations on the selected tracks,
either by a fixed value (ie, you add 7 to all note values) or by a
percentage (ie, all notes are made 7% longer).

rEalm





(6) Place the cursor under the dash in the <-> field
(7) Find the note [or event] you want to change
(8) Scoll to the dur [duration] value and change it.

i get this far, but after changing the length value and then scrolling
back,
the value hasnt changed, do i have to insert some enter?

You could also change notes en masse with quantize.

With the comon quantizing? it quantizes note lengths too???????

[Thank god for the XX7 group!]
T.

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Otherwise, might just be easier to chuck the pattern into Cubase and do it
there!


Of course, Midi in Cubase is outragous, just wonder if there is an easier 
way in situations without the PC, in other peoples studio for example.

Thanks
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That's probably the one I use the most!  Great for sliding snares and HH's 
forward a couple of ticks, make breakbeat patterns have more energy and 
not sound so laid back, more organic sounding.

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thanks, i check this out.....

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From: "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...>
Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: How to edit individual note lengths; How to set up note 
lengths in step mode
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:57:33 -0000

Example:

T01 NOTE <-> 001.01.113
C02 A v:120 dur:01.120

I just did a test under OS2.0.  The changes I made to the dur
[duration] field (01.120) stayed even when I switched to play another
pattern.

The edited pattern did have an asterisk (*) and would need to be
saved to keep the changes. If you edit another pattern before saving
the changes, you will lose the first set of changes.

Once you enter the note editor by pressing enter when the E-Mu
says "press enter to view/edit" the changes seem to stay in the note
edit buffer until you re-start the editor with a different.

In my test the note editor buffer kept the changes even when I (a)
edited notes on a different track and (b) entered the event editor.

When you scrolled back, did you use the <-> field to scroll through
the data?

When I first started editing, I accidently began changing the time
field (001.01.113) by mistake.  The time field is in the upper right
corner.  Perhaps this is what you are changing?

Hope this helps

--steve_the_diagnostician


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "||||* *||||" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
 >> (6) Place the cursor under the dash in the <-> field
 >> (7) Find the note [or event] you want to change
 >> (8) Scoll to the dur [duration] value and change it.
 >
 > i get this far, but after changing the length value and then
 > scrolling back, the value hasnt changed, do i have to insert some
 > enter?
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well i
ve tried changing the quanties resolution and it didnt do anything

only change was if i lowered it the beat would stop playing some
notes. went up to 128 and got no changes in the gat

You're probably changing velocity.  Press the button above the knobs to
switch, or cursor to the "Vel:" field and change it to "Gat:".

-Aaron

--- malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:
> well i've tried changing the quanties resolution and it didnt do
anything
> 
> only change was if i lowered it the beat would stop playing some
> notes. went up to 128 and got no changes in the gat


		
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hey there Aaron

yea thats my problem and the name of my original post was about the
gate but i cant get it to work. if anyone has an mp7 and is interested
in hearing what i'm talking about here's the pattern file
http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.1.000-Undead.mid


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:

> You're probably changing velocity.  Press the button above the knobs to
> switch, or cursor to the "Vel:" field and change it to "Gat:".
> 
> -Aaron
>

can anyonehelp?
anyone have this happen to them?


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> hey there Aaron
> 
> yea thats my problem and the name of my original post was about the
> gate but i cant get it to work. if anyone has an mp7 and is interested
> in hearing what i'm talking about here's the pattern file
> http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.1.000-Undead.mid
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> > You're probably changing velocity.  Press the button above the
knobs to

> > switch, or cursor to the "Vel:" field and change it to "Gat:".
> > 
> > -Aaron
> >

i've even gone through the preset editor an looked at all the layers
on all 16 pages and tried different presets with no luck. 1 sec im
gonna create one myself... nothing but the bass has turned into a
great lead using only waves and chorus :) but thats another subject i
still cant grid record :(

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> hey there Aaron
> 
> yea thats my problem and the name of my original post was about the
> gate but i cant get it to work. if anyone has an mp7 and is interested
> in hearing what i'm talking about here's the pattern file
> http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.1.000-Undead.mid
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> > You're probably changing velocity.  Press the button above the
knobs to

> > switch, or cursor to the "Vel:" field and change it to "Gat:".
> > 
> > -Aaron
> >

well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i create a
pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid mode. 

please anybody help???

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> 
> i've even gone through the preset editor an looked at all the layers
> on all 16 pages and tried different presets with no luck. 1 sec im
> gonna create one myself... nothing but the bass has turned into a
> great lead using only waves and chorus :) but thats another subject i
> still cant grid record :(
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > hey there Aaron
> > 
> > yea thats my problem and the name of my original post was about the
> > gate but i cant get it to work. if anyone has an mp7 and is interested
> > in hearing what i'm talking about here's the pattern file
> > http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.1.000-Undead.mid
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> > > You're probably changing velocity.  Press the button above the
> knobs to
> > > switch, or cursor to the "Vel:" field and change it to "Gat:".
> > > 
> > > -Aaron
> > >

Malik, let me see if I understand your problem.  You can edit note 
durations (note lengths) in edit mode AFTER you record a pattern, 
but you cannot figure out how to set the note length (duration/gate) 
when you are in grid mode record.  Is that the problem?

If so try the following steps in pattern mode/view:

(1) find an empty pattern
(2) press record twice

Do you see something that looks like the following (A or B)?

A:
===============================
T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
B:01.1 Gat:0% _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
===============================

B:
===============================
T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
B:01.1 Vel:00 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
===============================

(3A) If you see A, turn any of the 16 knobs.

Gat(e) should go from 0% to 100% when you turn a knob. Knob 1 should 
change the gate (% duration of resolution) of the first beat in the 
grid; knob 16 should change the gate of the last beat in the grid.

(3B) If you see B, press the button which changes the knob functions.
(4B) Does it now look like A? If so, turn the knobs.  Does Gat(e) go 
from 0% to 100%?

If not, what happens?

===================================================

NOTE: You can also change gate by moving the cursor under a grid 
step and twisting the big knob.

===================================================

QUESTION: Are you simply pressing the 16 buttons to toggle between 
on and off and not getting the gate to change from 76%?  

If so, all you need to do is use either of the two methods above--
(1) change the big knob to set the gate that the 16 buttons toggle 
on and off or (2) change any of the 16 little knobs to change the 
gate at the desired beat.

Once you change the gate in the display, that becomes the new level 
that the buttons toggle between. 

===================================================

Hope this helps.

--Steve





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> 
> well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i create a
> pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid mode. 
> 
> please anybody help???
>

hi there steve i understand everything you have just told me. thanks
for the effort kinda makes me feel bad that you wrote that much. 

i had explained that ive done all of this but the gate still isnt
working. i cant seem to figure it out....

i havent touched scale shit nor do i fully understand it but i just
turned it up to 18 and hit play and no w nothing sounds tso
scale/shift has nothing to do with it :)

quantise resolution does give the results i want either. the only
other thing i can think of is that my mp7 is broken


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> 
> Malik, let me see if I understand your problem.  You can edit note 
> durations (note lengths) in edit mode AFTER you record a pattern, 
> but you cannot figure out how to set the note length (duration/gate) 
> when you are in grid mode record.  Is that the problem?
> 
> If so try the following steps in pattern mode/view:
> 
> (1) find an empty pattern
> (2) press record twice
> 
> Do you see something that looks like the following (A or B)?
> 
> A:
> ===============================
> T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> B:01.1 Gat:0% _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> ===============================
> 
> B:
> ===============================
> T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> B:01.1 Vel:00 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> ===============================
> 
> (3A) If you see A, turn any of the 16 knobs.
> 
> Gat(e) should go from 0% to 100% when you turn a knob. Knob 1 should 
> change the gate (% duration of resolution) of the first beat in the 
> grid; knob 16 should change the gate of the last beat in the grid.
> 
> (3B) If you see B, press the button which changes the knob functions.
> (4B) Does it now look like A? If so, turn the knobs.  Does Gat(e) go 
> from 0% to 100%?
> 
> If not, what happens?
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> NOTE: You can also change gate by moving the cursor under a grid 
> step and twisting the big knob.
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> QUESTION: Are you simply pressing the 16 buttons to toggle between 
> on and off and not getting the gate to change from 76%?  
> 
> If so, all you need to do is use either of the two methods above--
> (1) change the big knob to set the gate that the 16 buttons toggle 
> on and off or (2) change any of the 16 little knobs to change the 
> gate at the desired beat.
> 
> Once you change the gate in the display, that becomes the new level 
> that the buttons toggle between. 
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i create a
> > pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid mode. 
> > 
> > please anybody help???
> >

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> hi there steve i understand everything you have just told me.
> thanks for the effort kinda makes me feel bad that you wrote that
> much. 

Don't feel bad because all the effort teaches me stuff.  I don't use 
grid mode, but I have wanted to learn.  By trying to figure things 
out based on questions people ask, I am advancing my own knowledge.

> i had explained that ive done all of this but the gate still isnt
> working. i cant seem to figure it out....

When you turn the knobs, the Gat(e) percent doesn't change in the 
display? Hmmmm.

> i havent touched scale shit nor do i fully understand it but i just
> turned it up to 18 and hit play and no w nothing sounds tso
> scale/shift has nothing to do with it :)

SCALE SHIFT DURATION could be used to change the duration of a whole 
bunch of notes in one or more tracks.

> quantise resolution does give the results i want either. the only
> other thing i can think of is that my mp7 is broken

Sorry the explanation didn't help. But don't give up.  Create 
another short pattern in grid mode, using the little knobs to change 
the gate.  Upload it to files and I will take a look.

--Steve

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Malik, let me see if I understand your problem.  You can edit 
note 
> > durations (note lengths) in edit mode AFTER you record a 
pattern, 
> > but you cannot figure out how to set the note length 
(duration/gate) 
> > when you are in grid mode record.  Is that the problem?
> > 
> > If so try the following steps in pattern mode/view:
> > 
> > (1) find an empty pattern
> > (2) press record twice
> > 
> > Do you see something that looks like the following (A or B)?
> > 
> > A:
> > ===============================
> > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > B:01.1 Gat:0% _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > ===============================
> > 
> > B:
> > ===============================
> > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > B:01.1 Vel:00 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > ===============================
> > 
> > (3A) If you see A, turn any of the 16 knobs.
> > 
> > Gat(e) should go from 0% to 100% when you turn a knob. Knob 1 
should 
> > change the gate (% duration of resolution) of the first beat in 
the 
> > grid; knob 16 should change the gate of the last beat in the 
grid.
> > 
> > (3B) If you see B, press the button which changes the knob 
functions.
> > (4B) Does it now look like A? If so, turn the knobs.  Does Gat
(e) go 
> > from 0% to 100%?
> > 
> > If not, what happens?
> > 
> > ===================================================
> > 
> > NOTE: You can also change gate by moving the cursor under a grid 
> > step and twisting the big knob.
> > 
> > ===================================================
> > 
> > QUESTION: Are you simply pressing the 16 buttons to toggle 
between 
> > on and off and not getting the gate to change from 76%?  
> > 
> > If so, all you need to do is use either of the two methods above-
-
> > (1) change the big knob to set the gate that the 16 buttons 
toggle 
> > on and off or (2) change any of the 16 little knobs to change 
the 
> > gate at the desired beat.
> > 
> > Once you change the gate in the display, that becomes the new 
level 
> > that the buttons toggle between. 
> > 
> > ===================================================
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > --Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i 
create a
> > > pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid 
mode. 

> > > 
> > > please anybody help???
> > >

no graphicaly i can edit the gate fine always hae been able to. but it
doesnt do anything to change the sound is what im saying i have posted
an example lemme see if i can find it

here it is http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.1.000-Undead.mid

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > hi there steve i understand everything you have just told me.
> > thanks for the effort kinda makes me feel bad that you wrote that
> > much. 
> 
> Don't feel bad because all the effort teaches me stuff.  I don't use 
> grid mode, but I have wanted to learn.  By trying to figure things 
> out based on questions people ask, I am advancing my own knowledge.
> 
> > i had explained that ive done all of this but the gate still isnt
> > working. i cant seem to figure it out....
> 
> When you turn the knobs, the Gat(e) percent doesn't change in the 
> display? Hmmmm.
> 
> > i havent touched scale shit nor do i fully understand it but i just
> > turned it up to 18 and hit play and no w nothing sounds tso
> > scale/shift has nothing to do with it :)
> 




> SCALE SHIFT DURATION could be used to change the duration of a whole 
> bunch of notes in one or more tracks.
> 
> > quantise resolution does give the results i want either. the only
> > other thing i can think of is that my mp7 is broken
> 
> Sorry the explanation didn't help. But don't give up.  Create 
> another short pattern in grid mode, using the little knobs to change 
> the gate.  Upload it to files and I will take a look.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Malik, let me see if I understand your problem.  You can edit 
> note 
> > > durations (note lengths) in edit mode AFTER you record a 
> pattern, 
> > > but you cannot figure out how to set the note length 
> (duration/gate) 
> > > when you are in grid mode record.  Is that the problem?
> > > 
> > > If so try the following steps in pattern mode/view:
> > > 
> > > (1) find an empty pattern
> > > (2) press record twice
> > > 
> > > Do you see something that looks like the following (A or B)?
> > > 
> > > A:
> > > ===============================
> > > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > B:01.1 Gat:0% _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > ===============================
> > > 
> > > B:
> > > ===============================
> > > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > B:01.1 Vel:00 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > ===============================
> > > 
> > > (3A) If you see A, turn any of the 16 knobs.
> > > 
> > > Gat(e) should go from 0% to 100% when you turn a knob. Knob 1 
> should 
> > > change the gate (% duration of resolution) of the first beat in 
> the 
> > > grid; knob 16 should change the gate of the last beat in the 
> grid.
> > > 
> > > (3B) If you see B, press the button which changes the knob 
> functions.
> > > (4B) Does it now look like A? If so, turn the knobs.  Does Gat
> (e) go 
> > > from 0% to 100%?
> > > 
> > > If not, what happens?
> > > 
> > > ===================================================
> > > 
> > > NOTE: You can also change gate by moving the cursor under a grid 
> > > step and twisting the big knob.
> > > 
> > > ===================================================
> > > 
> > > QUESTION: Are you simply pressing the 16 buttons to toggle 
> between 
> > > on and off and not getting the gate to change from 76%?  
> > > 
> > > If so, all you need to do is use either of the two methods above-
> -
> > > (1) change the big knob to set the gate that the 16 buttons 
> toggle 
> > > on and off or (2) change any of the 16 little knobs to change 
> the 
> > > gate at the desired beat.
> > > 
> > > Once you change the gate in the display, that becomes the new 
> level 
> > > that the buttons toggle between. 
> > > 
> > > ===================================================
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > 
> > > --Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i 
> create a
> > > > pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid 
> mode. 
> > > > 
> > > > please anybody help???
> > > >

OK so one of the things that bugged me about grid recording on the XL-
7 was that I couldn't change gate time to greater than 100%, then 
today I'm messing with a preset pattern and I notice the Gate time 
is "Tie"!!!!  Wish I had of known of this before.  But ... I change 
the Gate time to another value (100%) and now I can't get back 
to "Tie".  Nothing in the manual either.  Anyone?
-grimley


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> no graphicaly i can edit the gate fine always hae been able to. but 
it
> doesnt do anything to change the sound is what im saying i have 
posted
> an example lemme see if i can find it
> 
> here it is http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.1.000-Undead.mid
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > hi there steve i understand everything you have just told me.
> > > thanks for the effort kinda makes me feel bad that you wrote 
that
> > > much. 
> > 
> > Don't feel bad because all the effort teaches me stuff.  I don't 
use 
> > grid mode, but I have wanted to learn.  By trying to figure 
things 
> > out based on questions people ask, I am advancing my own 
knowledge.
> > 
> > > i had explained that ive done all of this but the gate still 
isnt
> > > working. i cant seem to figure it out....
> > 
> > When you turn the knobs, the Gat(e) percent doesn't change in the 
> > display? Hmmmm.
> > 
> > > i havent touched scale shit nor do i fully understand it but i 
just
> > > turned it up to 18 and hit play and no w nothing sounds tso
> > > scale/shift has nothing to do with it :)
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > SCALE SHIFT DURATION could be used to change the duration of a 
whole 
> > bunch of notes in one or more tracks.
> > 
> > > quantise resolution does give the results i want either. the 
only
> > > other thing i can think of is that my mp7 is broken
> > 
> > Sorry the explanation didn't help. But don't give up.  Create 
> > another short pattern in grid mode, using the little knobs to 
change 
> > the gate.  Upload it to files and I will take a look.
> > 
> > --Steve
> > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-
mail@p...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Malik, let me see if I understand your problem.  You can edit 
> > note 
> > > > durations (note lengths) in edit mode AFTER you record a 
> > pattern, 
> > > > but you cannot figure out how to set the note length 
> > (duration/gate) 
> > > > when you are in grid mode record.  Is that the problem?
> > > > 
> > > > If so try the following steps in pattern mode/view:
> > > > 
> > > > (1) find an empty pattern
> > > > (2) press record twice
> > > > 
> > > > Do you see something that looks like the following (A or B)?
> > > > 
> > > > A:
> > > > ===============================
> > > > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > B:01.1 Gat:0% _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > ===============================
> > > > 
> > > > B:
> > > > ===============================
> > > > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > B:01.1 Vel:00 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > ===============================
> > > > 
> > > > (3A) If you see A, turn any of the 16 knobs.
> > > > 
> > > > Gat(e) should go from 0% to 100% when you turn a knob. Knob 1 
> > should 
> > > > change the gate (% duration of resolution) of the first beat 
in 
> > the 
> > > > grid; knob 16 should change the gate of the last beat in the 
> > grid.
> > > > 
> > > > (3B) If you see B, press the button which changes the knob 
> > functions.
> > > > (4B) Does it now look like A? If so, turn the knobs.  Does Gat
> > (e) go 
> > > > from 0% to 100%?
> > > > 
> > > > If not, what happens?
> > > > 
> > > > ===================================================
> > > > 
> > > > NOTE: You can also change gate by moving the cursor under a 
grid 
> > > > step and twisting the big knob.
> > > > 
> > > > ===================================================
> > > > 
> > > > QUESTION: Are you simply pressing the 16 buttons to toggle 
> > between 
> > > > on and off and not getting the gate to change from 76%?  
> > > > 
> > > > If so, all you need to do is use either of the two methods 
above-

> > -
> > > > (1) change the big knob to set the gate that the 16 buttons 
> > toggle 
> > > > on and off or (2) change any of the 16 little knobs to change 
> > the 
> > > > gate at the desired beat.
> > > > 
> > > > Once you change the gate in the display, that becomes the new 
> > level 
> > > > that the buttons toggle between. 
> > > > 
> > > > ===================================================
> > > > 
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > 
> > > > --Steve
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i 
> > create a
> > > > > pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid 
> > mode. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > please anybody help???
> > > > >

what is tie?
oh yea forgot to mention that this is also for the mp-7 rom. i got
this mp-7 off of ebay and i dont want to have to report the guy for
selling me faulty stuff but if i dont get a reply tommorow i will have to

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Grimley" <grimley@i...> wrote:

> 
> OK so one of the things that bugged me about grid recording on the XL-
> 7 was that I couldn't change gate time to greater than 100%, then 
> today I'm messing with a preset pattern and I notice the Gate time 
> is "Tie"!!!!  Wish I had of known of this before.  But ... I change 
> the Gate time to another value (100%) and now I can't get back 
> to "Tie".  Nothing in the manual either.  Anyone?
> -grimley
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > no graphicaly i can edit the gate fine always hae been able to. but 
> it
> > doesnt do anything to change the sound is what im saying i have 
> posted
> > an example lemme see if i can find it
> > 
> > here it is http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.1.000-Undead.mid
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > hi there steve i understand everything you have just told me.
> > > > thanks for the effort kinda makes me feel bad that you wrote 
> that
> > > > much. 
> > > 
> > > Don't feel bad because all the effort teaches me stuff.  I don't 
> use 
> > > grid mode, but I have wanted to learn.  By trying to figure 
> things 
> > > out based on questions people ask, I am advancing my own 
> knowledge.
> > > 
> > > > i had explained that ive done all of this but the gate still 
> isnt
> > > > working. i cant seem to figure it out....
> > > 
> > > When you turn the knobs, the Gat(e) percent doesn't change in the 
> > > display? Hmmmm.
> > > 
> > > > i havent touched scale shit nor do i fully understand it but i 
> just
> > > > turned it up to 18 and hit play and no w nothing sounds tso
> > > > scale/shift has nothing to do with it :)
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > SCALE SHIFT DURATION could be used to change the duration of a 
> whole 
> > > bunch of notes in one or more tracks.
> > > 
> > > > quantise resolution does give the results i want either. the 
> only
> > > > other thing i can think of is that my mp7 is broken
> > > 
> > > Sorry the explanation didn't help. But don't give up.  Create 
> > > another short pattern in grid mode, using the little knobs to 
> change 
> > > the gate.  Upload it to files and I will take a look.
> > > 
> > > --Steve
> > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-
> mail@p...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Malik, let me see if I understand your problem.  You can edit 
> > > note 
> > > > > durations (note lengths) in edit mode AFTER you record a 
> > > pattern, 
> > > > > but you cannot figure out how to set the note length 
> > > (duration/gate) 
> > > > > when you are in grid mode record.  Is that the problem?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If so try the following steps in pattern mode/view:
> > > > > 
> > > > > (1) find an empty pattern
> > > > > (2) press record twice
> > > > > 
> > > > > Do you see something that looks like the following (A or B)?
> > > > > 
> > > > > A:
> > > > > ===============================
> > > > > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > > B:01.1 Gat:0% _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > > ===============================
> > > > > 
> > > > > B:
> > > > > ===============================
> > > > > T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > > B:01.1 Vel:00 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > > > ===============================
> > > > > 
> > > > > (3A) If you see A, turn any of the 16 knobs.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Gat(e) should go from 0% to 100% when you turn a knob. Knob 1 
> > > should 
> > > > > change the gate (% duration of resolution) of the first beat 
> in 
> > > the 
> > > > > grid; knob 16 should change the gate of the last beat in the 
> > > grid.
> > > > > 
> > > > > (3B) If you see B, press the button which changes the knob 
> > > functions.
> > > > > (4B) Does it now look like A? If so, turn the knobs.  Does Gat
> > > (e) go 
> > > > > from 0% to 100%?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If not, what happens?
> > > > > 
> > > > > ===================================================
> > > > > 
> > > > > NOTE: You can also change gate by moving the cursor under a 
> grid 
> > > > > step and twisting the big knob.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ===================================================
> > > > > 
> > > > > QUESTION: Are you simply pressing the 16 buttons to toggle 
> > > between 
> > > > > on and off and not getting the gate to change from 76%?  
> > > > > 
> > > > > If so, all you need to do is use either of the two methods 
> above-
> > > -
> > > > > (1) change the big knob to set the gate that the 16 buttons 
> > > toggle 
> > > > > on and off or (2) change any of the 16 little knobs to change 
> > > the 
> > > > > gate at the desired beat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Once you change the gate in the display, that becomes the new 
> > > level 
> > > > > that the buttons toggle between. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ===================================================
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --Steve
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i 
> > > create a
> > > > > > pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid 
> > > mode. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > please anybody help???
> > > > > >

It's not a faulty unit.


--- malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:

> oh yea forgot to mention that this is also for the mp-7 rom. i got
> this mp-7 off of ebay and i dont want to have to report the guy for
> selling me faulty stuff but if i dont get a reply tommorow i will
> have to

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On 2/5/05 1:20 PM, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:

> hi there steve i understand everything you have just told me. thanks
> for the effort kinda makes me feel bad that you wrote that much.
> 
> i had explained that ive done all of this but the gate still isnt
> working. i cant seem to figure it out....
> 
> i havent touched scale shit nor do i fully understand it but i just
> turned it up to 18 and hit play and no w nothing sounds tso
> scale/shift has nothing to do with it :)
> 
> quantise resolution does give the results i want either. the only
> other thing i can think of is that my mp7 is broken

I've watched this conversation unfold and all I can tell you at this point
is:

a)  From all signs of things your machine is just fine and is not "broken".
b)  You really haven't explained your "problem" in any way that any of us
can comprehend.

Please explain to everyone what you mean by "gate", since it apparently
isn't the length of notes in the pattern or the volume of notes in a
pattern, because several have already addressed that and you continue to
maintain that "the gate isn't working" despite doing the suggested
operations. Explain what you want it to do, and then how it is not doing
what you want it to do.

--
Mibrilane

what makes you say that?
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> It's not a faulty unit.
>

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Mibrilane <mibrilane@c...> wrote:

[snip]

> I've watched this conversation unfold . . . 

[snip]

I am inclined to agree the unit is not broken, and I am not sure if 
the issue is one of gate/note length/duration or something else 
(perhaps quantization).

However when I loaded the *.mid file into Sonar, the duration of the 
notes were all 76.  That's why I requested another file where the 
knobs were turned to change gate on different notes, to confirm 
whether or not gate is working properly.

--Steve

ok i'll say it again i could tell that while i've been keeping this
post alive that people didnt know what i was talking about anymore.
just waiting for someone to ask what the probllem was again.

ok
- i go to an empty preset in pattern mode
- hit record twice to go into grid mode
- i see the sixteeen empty dashes representing the sixteen buttons
- the lcd says the note position and velocity i switch velocity to
gate by using the cursor and navigating to vel and using the big knob
or just  hitting the quiick edit buttton over the 16 knobs
- i'm in gate mode and turn the gate up to 100% just to hear it's
effect. and get nothin. so i try o use different patches basses pads
whatever. nothing

when i first addressed this problem steve told me this

Here's a link to one of my posts as part of the discussion. I think
Aaron chimed in with some details, too. Hope it helps.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/15137

wich lead me to things like this-
===========================================================
III. Setting and editing note lengths in Record: Grid Mode

In grid record mode,
(1) the Track Enable/Mute-Trigger button
------> rotates you through grid resolution
(2) the Quick Edit-Program-Volume-Pan button
------> toggles the grid editor between velocity and gate setting
--------->gate = duration as percent of step resolution

Hope this helps.

--Steve

and reading all those post 3 times over didnt help but i'l read them
again sincce you're telling me i havent given you a good enough
explanation

> However when I loaded the *.mid file into Sonar, the duration of the 
> notes were all 76.  That's why I requested another file where the 
> knobs were turned to change gate on different notes, to confirm 
> whether or not gate is working properly.
> 
> --Steve

thats funny cause it wasnt saved at 76 lemme try again maybe i made a
mistake while saving the patch and sent you an older one im gonna send
you a bassline without the gate because the gate isnt trigggering
anything... both notes on track or channel 4 are at 100% gate

http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.0.000-Bass.mid

I have been enjoyed since i've rood this post and i ve try to do that. But the problem is that i'm still running on os 1.31 so when i change the button fonction nothing change in the screen. The screen always show the velocity level but not the gate. Is that normal on this os?
thanks

malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:

hi there steve i understand everything you have just told me. thanks
for the effort kinda makes me feel bad that you wrote that much. 

i had explained that ive done all of this but the gate still isnt
working. i cant seem to figure it out....

i havent touched scale shit nor do i fully understand it but i just
turned it up to 18 and hit play and no w nothing sounds tso
scale/shift has nothing to do with it :)

quantise resolution does give the results i want either. the only
other thing i can think of is that my mp7 is broken


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> 
> Malik, let me see if I understand your problem.  You can edit note 
> durations (note lengths) in edit mode AFTER you record a pattern, 
> but you cannot figure out how to set the note length (duration/gate) 
> when you are in grid mode record.  Is that the problem?
> 
> If so try the following steps in pattern mode/view:
> 
> (1) find an empty pattern
> (2) press record twice
> 
> Do you see something that looks like the following (A or B)?
> 
> A:
> ===============================
> T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> B:01.1 Gat:0% _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> ===============================
> 
> B:
> ===============================
> T01 GRID K:C1 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> B:01.1 Vel:00 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> ===============================
> 
> (3A) If you see A, turn any of the 16 knobs.
> 
> Gat(e) should go from 0% to 100% when you turn a knob. Knob 1 should 
> change the gate (% duration of resolution) of the first beat in the 
> grid; knob 16 should change the gate of the last beat in the grid.
> 
> (3B) If you see B, press the button which changes the knob functions.
> (4B) Does it now look like A? If so, turn the knobs.  Does Gat(e) go 
> from 0% to 100%?
> 
> If not, what happens?
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> NOTE: You can also change gate by moving the cursor under a grid 
> step and twisting the big knob.
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> QUESTION: Are you simply pressing the 16 buttons to toggle between 
> on and off and not getting the gate to change from 76%?  
> 
> If so, all you need to do is use either of the two methods above--
> (1) change the big knob to set the gate that the 16 buttons toggle 
> on and off or (2) change any of the 16 little knobs to change the 
> gate at the desired beat.
> 
> Once you change the gate in the display, that becomes the new level 
> that the buttons toggle between. 
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > well i can edit the nmote lenths in the note menu after i create a
> > pattern in grid mode but i still cant use the gate in grid mode. 
> > 
> > please anybody help???
> >





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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

[snip] 

> - i go to an empty preset in pattern mode
> - hit record twice to go into grid mode
> - i see the sixteeen empty dashes representing the sixteen buttons
> - the lcd says the note position and velocity i switch velocity to
> gate by using the cursor and navigating to vel and using the big
> knob or just  hitting the quiick edit buttton over the 16 knobs
> - i'm in gate mode and turn the gate up to 100% just to hear it's
> effect.

So far so good.

> and get nothin. so i try o use different patches basses
> pads whatever. nothing

What do you mean by nothing?  Do you mean that you don't hear any 
note played at the beat where you placed the note event at 100%?

I assume you pressed the play button to get the pattern looping.

Here's what I did:

I pushed play.
I turned knob 1 up.

That placed a note at the first beat (both in the display and 
through the speakers). The duration of the note played was longer at 
100% than 50% (best heard with a non-percussion preset with a short 
attack, tested at 40 bpm).

If you did this and don't get any sound, press audition.  Does an 
audition riff play? If not, swicth to a preset that does sound.

> when i first addressed this problem steve told me this
> 
> Here's a link to one of my posts as part of the discussion. I think
> Aaron chimed in with some details, too. Hope it helps.
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/15137
> 
> wich lead me to things like this-
> ===========================================================
> III. Setting and editing note lengths in Record: Grid Mode
> 
> In grid record mode,
> (1) the Track Enable/Mute-Trigger button
> ------> rotates you through grid resolution
> (2) the Quick Edit-Program-Volume-Pan button
> ------> toggles the grid editor between velocity and gate setting
> --------->gate = duration as percent of step resolution
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> and reading all those post 3 times over didnt help but i'll read
> them again sincce you're telling me i haven't given you a good
> enough explanation

I have different modes of explaining things.  When it comes to 
things technological, I like to spell out each and every step in the 
process I used as precisely as I know how.  It works for some 
people, not for others. Sometimes I misunderstand the problem--for 
whatever reason.

It may be that Mibrilane is right--you are not talking about gate, 
but about something else you are trying to do.  If so, all that I 
wrote about gate (including the link to my previous post) may not be 
the help you need.

Perhaps if you describe what you are trying to do--not what seems 
not to be working--others may be able to help.

--Steve

I looked at the file in Sonar. Track 4 has two notes at with a 
duration of 96 as follows:

1:01:00 F5 vel = 92 dur = 96
1:03:96 E5 vel = 58 dur = 96

I have Sonar set to the default 384 ticks per beat. In 4/4:

384 ticks = 1 quarter note
192 ticks = 1 eighth note
96 ticks = 1 sixteenth note

The pattern you have shows:

(1) a sixteenth note at measure 1 beat 1 tick 0
(2) a sixteenth note (100% gate) at measure 1 beat 3 tick 96 (a 
sixteenth of a beat after the third beat of the measure).

Perhaps you were at sixteenth-note resolution with 100% gate. I'm 
not sure where the 76 ticks (in the previous pattern you posted) 
came from if it was 100% gate.

Hope this makes sense.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> thats funny cause it wasnt saved at 76 lemme try again maybe i 
made a
> mistake while saving the patch and sent you an older one im gonna 
send

> you a bassline without the gate because the gate isnt trigggering
> anything... both notes on track or channel 4 are at 100% gate
> 
> http://www.simbiotrecords.com/P.0.000-Bass.mid

On 2/6/05 6:04 AM, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:

> ok i'll say it again i could tell that while i've been keeping this post alive
> that people didnt know what i was talking about anymore. just waiting for
> someone to ask what the probllem was again.

Sorry if my post sounded a bit harsh, but I'm just trying to help you out
and this problem of yours is confounding us all! :D

> ok
> - i go to an empty preset in pattern mode
> - hit record twice to go into grid mode
> - i see the sixteeen empty dashes representing the sixteen buttons
> - the lcd says the note position and velocity i switch velocity to gate by
> using the cursor and navigating to vel and using the big knob or just  hitting
> the quiick edit buttton over the 16 knobs
> - i'm in gate mode and turn the gate up to 100% just to hear it's effect. and
> get nothin. so i try o use different patches basses pads whatever. nothing

Interesting. So when you're in Grid Mode recording and the you're adjusting
"Gat:" using the knobs, you turn things to 100% but when you hit play
nothing sounds? Do you get the little bars on each of the 16 steps that
you've modified above 0% (in the display)? I just tried this again to see if
I was understanding what you were saying and it worked for me. I've always
thought Grid Mode was pretty cool because of the knob editing feature.

I'm assuming you don't have velocities of 0% in the "Vel:" edit, because
that won't sound any notes.

This may sound like a stupid question, but is the track set to INT in the
channel routing (Pattern Edit 2nd to last screen)? If it is set to EXT or
NONE, there won't be any sound from the internal synth.

If you can get sound from the internal pads on the track, but not from Grid
Mode with steps that are clearly showing beats on them, you may have a bad
OS (although I've never seen that before on 4 Command Stations that I've
owned). Another question, is the MP7 running the latest OS 2.0? If it's
earlier, maybe that's part of the issue.

Curiouser and curiouser...

--
Mibrilane

> > and get nothin. so i try o use different patches basses
> > pads whatever. nothing
> 
> What do you mean by nothing?  Do you mean that you don't hear any 
> note played at the beat where you placed the note event at 100%?
> 
> I assume you pressed the play button to get the pattern looping.
> 
> Here's what I did:
> 
> I pushed play.
> I turned knob 1 up.
> 
> That placed a note at the first beat (both in the display and 
> through the speakers). The duration of the note played was longer at 
> 100% than 50% (best heard with a non-percussion preset with a short 
> attack, tested at 40 bpm).
> 
i'm doing exactly what your doing but the note goes beep instead of
beeeep like it's not responding to the gate command at all and only
the simple message its getting from the note on command in grid mode.

> It may be that Mibrilane is right--you are not talking about gate, 
> but about something else you are trying to do.  If so, all that I 
> wrote about gate (including the link to my previous post) may not be 
> the help you need.

no. no offene to milbrlane but i'm no noob i've been working with
synths and software for years but havent had this happen to me on any
synth workstation or sftware. i use gate on electribes too so i know
what im talking about.

gate is gate and nothing else.


> Perhaps if you describe what you are trying to do--not what seems 
> not to be working--others may be able to help.
> 
> --Steve

i really hope you guys dont think that im just typing things just to
type them i am truly telling you exactly what i am dong.

if i was at a 16th note resoluton then no matter if the gate was at
100% the notes would only be a 16th long? this might be my problem do
i fix that with the quantise resolution?
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> 
> I looked at the file in Sonar. Track 4 has two notes at with a 
> duration of 96 as follows:
> 
> 1:01:00 F5 vel = 92 dur = 96
> 1:03:96 E5 vel = 58 dur = 96
> 
> I have Sonar set to the default 384 ticks per beat. In 4/4:
> 
> 384 ticks = 1 quarter note
> 192 ticks = 1 eighth note
> 96 ticks = 1 sixteenth note
> 
> The pattern you have shows:
> 
> (1) a sixteenth note at measure 1 beat 1 tick 0
> (2) a sixteenth note (100% gate) at measure 1 beat 3 tick 96 (a 
> sixteenth of a beat after the third beat of the measure).
> 
> Perhaps you were at sixteenth-note resolution with 100% gate. I'm 
> not sure where the 76 ticks (in the previous pattern you posted) 
> came from if it was 100% gate.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> --Steve

turned the quantize resolution down to 4 so it cant be that....
im hoping it isnt broken and im sorry if i seem ike i'm coming off
with an attitude but its very dissapointing when you're anticipation
something as big as a command station and something seems to be wrong
with it. i guess i want prepared to handle something like this. i
really dont mean to hav an attitude of course but i dont want you to
think im just playing games with you to figure out my problems for me
either.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> 
> if i was at a 16th note resoluton then no matter if the gate was at
> 100% the notes would only be a 16th long? this might be my problem do
> i fix that with the quantise resolution?
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> > 
> > I looked at the file in Sonar. Track 4 has two notes at with a 
> > duration of 96 as follows:
> > 
> > 1:01:00 F5 vel = 92 dur = 96
> > 1:03:96 E5 vel = 58 dur = 96
> > 
> > I have Sonar set to the default 384 ticks per beat. In 4/4:
> > 
> > 384 ticks = 1 quarter note
> > 192 ticks = 1 eighth note
> > 96 ticks = 1 sixteenth note
> > 
> > The pattern you have shows:
> > 
> > (1) a sixteenth note at measure 1 beat 1 tick 0
> > (2) a sixteenth note (100% gate) at measure 1 beat 3 tick 96 (a 
> > sixteenth of a beat after the third beat of the measure).
> > 
> > Perhaps you were at sixteenth-note resolution with 100% gate. I'm 
> > not sure where the 76 ticks (in the previous pattern you posted) 
> > came from if it was 100% gate.
> > 
> > Hope this makes sense.
> > 
> > --Steve

--- malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:
> if i was at a 16th note resoluton then no matter if the gate was at
> 100% the notes would only be a 16th long? this might be my problem do
> i fix that with the quantise resolution?

Yes.  100% of a 16th note is a 16th note.  Funny how that works.

Quantize resolution has *nothing* to do with this discussion.  There
are two quantize values, one in the pattern edit menu which is the
"offline" quantize function (like in a software seq).  The other is
input quantize, and that only affects *realtime record*.  Neither have
anything to do with gate.

We've all been trying to help you very hard, but it's tough when you
haven't told us what's wrong or what you'd expect it do to.  To me, 50%
gate of a 16th note is a 32nd note.  This seems completely
self-evident, so maybe we all skipped that.

In grid edit mode, you have the choice of 4 resolutions, 16th, 32nd,
8th triplets and 16th triplets.  Therefore, your gate is a percentage
of that resolution.  You're not going to get a longer duration than the
grid resolution, because you'd end up overlapping identical notes,
which is bad.

In step edit mode (which *hasn't* been brought up yet) your choices for
step duration are much more varied, yet still, the gate is a percentage
of *that* duration.  Note that this duration can be greater than 100%
because the assumption is that you're playing different notes each
step.

Anyway, I don't know what to explain beyond that.

-Aaron

--- malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:

> turned the quantize resolution down to 4 so it cant be that....
> im hoping it isnt broken and im sorry if i seem ike i'm coming off
> with an attitude but its very dissapointing when you're anticipation
> something as big as a command station and something seems to be wrong
> with it. i guess i want prepared to handle something like this. i
> really dont mean to hav an attitude of course but i dont want you to
> think im just playing games with you to figure out my problems for me
> either.

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> Yes.  100% of a 16th note is a 16th note.  Funny how that works.

:)

> 
> We've all been trying to help you very hard, but it's tough when you
> haven't told us what's wrong or what you'd expect it do to.  

i thought i did guess you didnt understand where i was comin from

i could do it in step mode to or just use the note length page but
that just enables me to edit not lengths there and not in gate mode.
and btw i have tried all 4 of the resolutions in  grid record mode and
have the gate up to 100% (please beleive me) but i'm still not getting
anything. 

cmon someone tell me i'm not insane??

btw if you guys think that it might just be easier to chat about it...
AIM: laserbeak43
MSN: malik_martin@...

thanks

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:

[snip]

> Yes.  100% of a 16th note is a 16th note.  Funny how that works.

Mom used to tell me to have a "belly laugh" at least once a day. 
Aaron, you did a blessing!

[snip]

> We've all been trying to help you very hard, but it's tough when
> you haven't told us what's wrong or what you'd expect it do to. 

I though we were finally getting beyond this issue. :-(

[snip]

> In step edit mode (which *hasn't* been brought up yet) . . . [snip]

Hey!!! I brought it up in September and again last week via a link 
that re-started this thread!!  (Text follows. See section II.)

Seriously, Aaron or anyone else, if I've made some errors or could 
add to the outline, make specific suggests and I will revise and 
post in files.

===============================================
Here follows a repost from 9/1/2004
===============================================
From:  "steve_the_composer" 
Date:  Wed Sep 1, 2004  12:47 pm 
Subject:  How to edit individual note lengths; How to set up note 
lengths in step mode
 
CONTENTS:
===========================================================
I. Editing note lengths (and other data) in recorded patterns
II. Setting up note lengths in Record: Step Mode
III. Setting and editing note lengths in Grid Mode
===========================================================
Thanks to Erik and Aaron for their tips and clarifications.
===========================================================
I. Editing note lengths (and other data) in recorded patterns

I edit individual note lengths and other data in recorded patterns
using Preset Edit Mode.

(1) Select Pattern to Edit
(2) Press Edit Pattern
(3a) Scroll to NOTE [note editor menu] to edit note lengths
(3b) Scroll to EVENT [event editor menu] to edit events
(4) Press enter to view/edit
(5) Select track to edit
(6) Place the cursor under the dash in the <-> field
(7) Find the note [or event] you want to change
(8) Scoll to the dur [duration] value and change it.

You could also change notes en masse with quantize.

===========================================================
II. Setting up note lengths in Record: Step Mode

In step record mode, resolution determines the space between notes
and gate determines the note duration. For example, in 4/4:

Res:whl Gate:50% Auto:Y

automatically places successive 1/2 notes [duration = 2.000 beats]
at the start of every 4 beat measure.

===========================================================
III. Setting and editing note lengths in Record: Grid Mode

In grid record mode,
(1) the Track Enable/Mute-Trigger button
------> rotates you through grid resolution
(2) the Quick Edit-Program-Volume-Pan button
------> toggles the grid editor between velocity and gate setting
--------->gate = duration as percent of step resolution

Hope this helps.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "||||* *||||" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:

>
> id like to use the step editor to edit note lengths, somebody
> knows if its possible?
> T

i'm not stupid this thing is broken maybe i need to reinstall the os
or something.

is there a proper way to revert to an older OS?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Yes.  100% of a 16th note is a 16th note.  Funny how that works.
> 
> Mom used to tell me to have a "belly laugh" at least once a day. 
> Aaron, you did a blessing!
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > We've all been trying to help you very hard, but it's tough when
> > you haven't told us what's wrong or what you'd expect it do to. 
> 
> I though we were finally getting beyond this issue. :-(
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > In step edit mode (which *hasn't* been brought up yet) . . . [snip]
> 
> Hey!!! I brought it up in September and again last week via a link 
> that re-started this thread!!  (Text follows. See section II.)
> 
> Seriously, Aaron or anyone else, if I've made some errors or could 
> add to the outline, make specific suggests and I will revise and 
> post in files.
> 
> ===============================================
> Here follows a repost from 9/1/2004
> ===============================================
> From:  "steve_the_composer" 
> Date:  Wed Sep 1, 2004  12:47 pm 
> Subject:  How to edit individual note lengths; How to set up note 
> lengths in step mode
>  
> CONTENTS:
> ===========================================================
> I. Editing note lengths (and other data) in recorded patterns
> II. Setting up note lengths in Record: Step Mode
> III. Setting and editing note lengths in Grid Mode
> ===========================================================
> Thanks to Erik and Aaron for their tips and clarifications.
> ===========================================================
> I. Editing note lengths (and other data) in recorded patterns
> 
> I edit individual note lengths and other data in recorded patterns
> using Preset Edit Mode.
> 
> (1) Select Pattern to Edit
> (2) Press Edit Pattern
> (3a) Scroll to NOTE [note editor menu] to edit note lengths
> (3b) Scroll to EVENT [event editor menu] to edit events
> (4) Press enter to view/edit
> (5) Select track to edit
> (6) Place the cursor under the dash in the <-> field
> (7) Find the note [or event] you want to change
> (8) Scoll to the dur [duration] value and change it.
> 
> You could also change notes en masse with quantize.
> 
> ===========================================================
> II. Setting up note lengths in Record: Step Mode
> 
> In step record mode, resolution determines the space between notes
> and gate determines the note duration. For example, in 4/4:
> 
> Res:whl Gate:50% Auto:Y
> 
> automatically places successive 1/2 notes [duration = 2.000 beats]
> at the start of every 4 beat measure.
> 
> ===========================================================
> III. Setting and editing note lengths in Record: Grid Mode
> 
> In grid record mode,
> (1) the Track Enable/Mute-Trigger button
> ------> rotates you through grid resolution
> (2) the Quick Edit-Program-Volume-Pan button
> ------> toggles the grid editor between velocity and gate setting
> --------->gate = duration as percent of step resolution
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "||||* *||||" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> >
> > id like to use the step editor to edit note lengths, somebody
> > knows if its possible?
> > T

On 2/6/05 2:53 PM, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:

> if i was at a 16th note resoluton then no matter if the gate was at
> 100% the notes would only be a 16th long? this might be my problem do
> i fix that with the quantise resolution?

I think I'm finally understanding from this post and your other post about
it going "blip" for each note what your problem might be, or at least
something close to it. You are inputting notes on a 16th note grid but
expecting the note events to last longer than a 16th note, but the grid is
sending note off events at the end of each step (100% of a 16th note still
being a 16th note) and then sounds that should sustain are just doing
attack/release because the note is too short. Am I close?

For longer notes you can tie together adjacent note events. The longest note
you're going to get without tying notes together is a 16th note (the
resolution of the grid you're working on). But, two 16ths is an 8th, and so
on, so tying notes may allow for full envelope-age to occur.

I hope you don't think me and the other group members are being rude to you
or anything, we're just trying to figure your problem because in your
initial description you were describing something that doesn't really happen
and it was deeply confusing.

Either way your MP7 isn't "broken" - if the OS was messed up you'd have more
problems than this. I'm thinking you're just overly used to how other synths
do grid recording and E-mu's way is different enough to throw you off. Once
you get used to it, the E-mu sequencer is really wonderfully simple.
--
Mibrilane

wow thanks Mibrilane

i noticed that the tie thing comes up especialy if i enter notes in
gate mode and change the step resolution. wich was probably just
making the notes overlap. you hit the hammer right on the nail(if
thats how the saying goes :) ) i read somethig about tie somewhere but
its all a blank(wait think it was here). lol i kinda kept you guys on
your toes didnt i? lol

and as for this being a wonderfull machine? i beleive you. just
browsing through the manual looking for answers i see features that
blow my mind away. i am deafinateluy gonna start playing live with this :)

i only see the tie comman in 16th trl mode and tie function int he arp
section of the manual? you know how im supposed to do this in the grid
mode?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> lol i kinda kept you guys on your toes didnt i? lol

Yeah, the joke's on us!

A lot of well-intentioned people here went out of their way to try 
to help you.  No one came out and said, "RTFM."

In a way, its like the boy who cried wolf.  You laugh when we came 
to assist you time after time with a very unclear statement of your 
problem.

Perhaps the next time you have a problem no one will try to help.

LOL

-

> 
> > lol i kinda kept you guys on your toes didnt i? lol
> 
> Yeah, the joke's on us!

I'm lost!!! wheres the joke???? my problem hasnt been solved.


> A lot of well-intentioned people here went out of their way to try 
> to help you.  No one came out and said, "RTFM."


and i thought i went out of my way to show you that i apreciated it!!
i tried to answer every single question as detailed as i could.
 
> In a way, its like the boy who cried wolf.  You laugh when we came 
> to assist you time after time with a very unclear statement of your 
> problem.
> 
> Perhaps the next time you have a problem no one will try to help.
> 
> LOL

WTF i laughed because i felt like i finaly know what the problem is!!!
but i stilll dont know how to fix the problem. you know i really
apreciate all the effort you guys have made and like i said in my last
post i FEEL KINDA BAD ABOUT THE EFFORT YOU PUT IN. but when Mibrilane
said that no one was really pissed i think he shoulda spoke for himself.

thanks alot for what you've done but im not asking anyone to do
anything that they dont want to do.