Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hey folks, I'm thinking strongly about getting an XL-7, and need to 
know some things.  Is it possible to train 15-20 sequences together, 
convert that into one master sequence, and start to overdub song-
length performances, i.e. bass and piano tracks that are not loop-
based?

I had an MPC2000XL, and the sequencer-especially song mode was 
seamless, but the sound manipulation required alot of external gear.

Thanks for your input.

Matt Hammon

Yes.  That's EXACTLY what you can do.  YOu can chain a bunch of patterns
together and then you get 2 extra tracks in song mode to tweek, play fills,
and pump the mofo up!


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From: "thematthammon" <thematthammon@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:15 PM
Subject: [xl7] Song Mode


> Hey folks, I'm thinking strongly about getting an XL-7, and need to
> know some things.  Is it possible to train 15-20 sequences together,
> convert that into one master sequence, and start to overdub song-
> length performances, i.e. bass and piano tracks that are not loop-
> based?
>
> I had an MPC2000XL, and the sequencer-especially song mode was
> seamless, but the sound manipulation required alot of external gear.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Matt Hammon
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So song mode turns all of the chained patterns into one long sequence 
that you can perform real time tracks on?  Do you just tell it which 
pattern to insert where and for how many repeats?  Do you still have 
individual track control in song mode? Can you do spot erasing on 
each track to bring things in and out without having to automate 
mutes? And do you have to save to your computer via the included 
software?  How much info can be stored internally and how can I 
expand that potential? Can you describe the differences between the 
MP sounds and the XL sounds?

thanks
Matt

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David" <spec@s...> wrote:
> Yes.  That's EXACTLY what you can do.  YOu can chain a bunch of 
patterns
> together and then you get 2 extra tracks in song mode to tweek, 
play fills,
> and pump the mofo up!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "thematthammon" <thematthammon@y...>
> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:15 PM
> Subject: [xl7] Song Mode
> 
> 
> > Hey folks, I'm thinking strongly about getting an XL-7, and need 
to
> > know some things.  Is it possible to train 15-20 sequences 
together,
> > convert that into one master sequence, and start to overdub song-
> > length performances, i.e. bass and piano tracks that are not loop-
> > based?
> >
> > I had an MPC2000XL, and the sequencer-especially song mode was
> > seamless, but the sound manipulation required alot of external 
gear.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Matt Hammon
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> >
> >
> >
> >

Sure, it's on page 106 of the latest XX-7 manual (revision G), which you 
can download here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/Command%20Station%20Info/

It's the file called "XL-7 OpMan-G.zip"

If you meant how to chain patterns in the ER-1, then that's on page 34 of 
the Er-1 manual.

Cheers,
rEalm




could you point me to a page in the manual that shows how to link 
different patterns up into a song mode please




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Has ANYONE ever actually done the Copy/Paste procedure in the Song 
Mode?

Sorry man, only in Pattern Mode.

rEalm

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "xkrider1" <kenrider@e...> wrote:
> Has ANYONE ever actually done the Copy/Paste procedure in the Song 
> Mode?

I am finally getting into using the E-Mu sequencer for composing and 
orchestrating and am discovering even more complexity than I had
imagined.  It seems like all of the E-Mu components need to be 
considered as separate subsystems.  I am seeking (1) confirmation of 
stuff I am discovering and (2) insights that others may have 
discovered.

I am working on a song that (so far) has Drums (Track 1 Channel 1) 
and Keyboard (Track 2 Channel 2).  I am overdubbing midi sax leads 
with realtime song mode record.

1.  Track mutes buttons seem only to apply to pattern data .  Correct?
2.  Volume and pan knobs seem to apply to both pattern and song 
data.  Correct?

Perhaps there are settings that affect these, but I haven't found 
them yet.  Thanks.

1.  Track mutes buttons seem only to apply to pattern data .  Correct?

>>>You can record Mute buttons toggles only in Song mode, not Pattern 
Mode.  However, if I remember correctly, they do function tha same for 
both modes regardless.  What problems are you seeing with these? <<<

2.  Volume and pan knobs seem to apply to both pattern and song data. 
Correct?

>>>Depends.  If you mean changes in real-time, then yes they affect 
pattern and songs.  However, you can specify in the Song Edit menu whether 
Vol & Pan settings are used from the Pattern, the song, or both. <<<

rEalm






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Thanks for the replies.

Re: (2) I found the the EVENT SOURCE menu and will play around with 
that.  Thanks for pointing me in that direction. 

Re: (1) In song/step mode I created a chain of patterns.  Then I over 
dubbed the midi sax in song/realtime mode.  When playing back the 
song, the mute buttons only turn on/off pattern tracks.

I was trying to do a music-minus-one thing where I have some 
performance options to (1) to mute the realtime data, (2) to play 
harmony/counterpoint to the realtime track, etc.

It seems like there is just one song/realtime mode track.  This track 
can be routed to MultiA OR MultiB with none, int, ext, both 
destinations.

SO, I duplicated each of the individual patterns and laid down some 
lines with the midi sax on a pattern by pattern basis and created a 
new song chain of just patterns.  (This gave me good practice doing 
mulitple retakes--I just left the pattern edit menu at erase track.  
Couldn't be easier!)

It would seem (in theory at least) I can copy the song chain and just 
set up different intros as my first pattern with mute configurations 
for the different music-minus-one options.

Thats for another day.   

Looking forward to having songs in a box without having to cart 
around a computer.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> 1.  Track mutes buttons seem only to apply to pattern data .  
Correct?
> 
> >>>You can record Mute buttons toggles only in Song mode, not 
Pattern 
> Mode.  However, if I remember correctly, they do function tha same 
for 
> both modes regardless.  What problems are you seeing with these? <<<
> 
> 2.  Volume and pan knobs seem to apply to both pattern and song 
data. 
> Correct?
> 
> >>>Depends.  If you mean changes in real-time, then yes they affect 
> pattern and songs.  However, you can specify in the Song Edit menu 
whether 
> Vol & Pan settings are used from the Pattern, the song, or both. <<<
> 
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--- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> Re: (1) In song/step mode I created a chain of patterns.  Then I over
> dubbed the midi sax in song/realtime mode.  When playing back the 
> song, the mute buttons only turn on/off pattern tracks.

Correct, the track mutes mute PATTERN tracks only.

> I was trying to do a music-minus-one thing where I have some 
> performance options to (1) to mute the realtime data, (2) to play 
> harmony/counterpoint to the realtime track, etc.

Hmm, muting the song track isn't doable.  My bad.  I see two
workarounds:

1) if you don't have volume events in your song track and you're only
really sequencing one channel, you could use the volume knob
corresponding to the channel you're sequencing.

2) not particularly user friendly, but you could go to the routing
screen and turn the song track destination to "none" when you wanted to
mute it.  I *knew* there might be a use for "none"... =)

> (This gave me good practice doing mulitple retakes--
> I just left the pattern edit menu at erase track.  
> Couldn't be easier!)

Actually it could!  Press Erase+Track button to erase that track.  It
doesn't even take you out of record mode or stop playback!

> 2. Volume and pan knobs seem to apply to both pattern and song data. 
> Correct?

Volume and pan knobs affect *channels* not tracks.  Think of the synth
engine and sequencer as two different entities (cuz they really are).

[song track    ] --> / ------- \ --> [internal synth channels 0-31]
                     | routing | --> [external port A ch 1-16]
[pattern tracks] --> \ ------- / --> [external port B ch 1-16]

Mutes affect pattern tracks, knobs affect internal synth channels.

-Aaron


	
		
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Thanks for confirmations, clarifications, corrections, and 
workarounds.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:

[snip]
 
> Correct, the track mutes mute PATTERN tracks only.
 
> > I was trying to do a music-minus-one thing where I have some 
> > performance options to (1) to mute the realtime data, (2) to play 
> > harmony/counterpoint to the realtime track, etc.
> 
> Hmm, muting the song track isn't doable.  My bad.  I see two
> workarounds:
> 
> 1) if you don't have volume events in your song track and you're
> only really sequencing one channel, you could use the volume knob
> corresponding to the channel you're sequencing.
> 
> 2) not particularly user friendly, but you could go to the routing
> screen and turn the song track destination to "none" when you
> wanted to mute it.  I *knew* there might be a use for "none"... =)

Makes sense to have a canned lead (or harmony/counterpoint) on 
seperate designated channels (with no realtime volume in there) and 
play-though live on a different channel.

> > (This gave me good practice doing mulitple retakes--
> > I just left the pattern edit menu at erase track.  
> > Couldn't be easier!)
> 
> Actually it could!  Press Erase+Track button to erase that track.
> It doesn't even take you out of record mode or stop playback!

Fantastic!!  With enough practice I may get to master hardware-based 
song-writing, composing, and orchestration on the E-Mu sequencer. 

> > 2. Volume and pan knobs seem to apply to both pattern and song
> > data. Correct?
> 
> Volume and pan knobs affect *channels* not tracks.  Think of the
> synth engine and sequencer as two different entities (cuz they
> really are).
> 
> [song track    ] --> / ------- \ --> [internal synth channels 0-31]
>                      | routing | --> [external port A ch 1-16]
> [pattern tracks] --> \ ------- / --> [external port B ch 1-16]
> 
> Mutes affect pattern tracks, knobs affect internal synth channels.

Gotcha!   Thanks.

--Steve

--- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> Makes sense to have a canned lead (or harmony/counterpoint) on 
> seperate designated channels (with no realtime volume in there)

PS. if you did want volume changes recorded in, you could use cc#11
which is expression.  Simply assign a programmable knob to cc#11 and
record that instead of volume (cc#7).  Actually, this is a good idea in
general, because you can then use expression for musical things while
still being able to use the volume knobs for "mixing" purposes.

-Aaron


	
		
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