Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will work with the 
DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech Roland?...Anyone 
tried using these with the DTXII module?

I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem between the hat and 
the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble getting to work 
adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart dual-zone ride. 
Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific, either in mono or 
stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new favorite is the Visu-
lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine is translucent 
grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone (separate trigger 
for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do a full report 
in a few days when I've had more time with it. You can take a good 
look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action at their 
website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this point, there is 
only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi hat assembly is 
well in progress.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:

> Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will work with the 
> DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech Roland?...Anyone 
> tried using these with the DTXII module?

Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
bought.
Jade

--- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> between the hat and 
> the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> getting to work 
> adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> dual-zone ride. 
> Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> either in mono or 
> stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> favorite is the Visu-
> lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> is translucent 
> grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> (separate trigger 
> for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> a full report 
> in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> can take a good 
> look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> at their 
> website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> point, there is 
> only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> hat assembly is 
> well in progress.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> work with the 
> > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> Roland?...Anyone 
> > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> 
> 


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Jade,

Remember that the only place that you can add new pads is input 
9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-zone pads. 
The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and body through 
9/10, only the body. 

The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. Tom and I 
just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for it, and Tom 
got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of the Yamaha 
HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a controller that 
can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the flick of a 
switch. Very cool.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
wrote:

> Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> bought.
> Jade
> 
> --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > between the hat and 
> > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > getting to work 
> > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > dual-zone ride. 
> > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > either in mono or 
> > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > favorite is the Visu-
> > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > is translucent 
> > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > (separate trigger 
> > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > a full report 
> > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > can take a good 
> > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > at their 
> > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > point, there is 
> > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > hat assembly is 
> > well in progress.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > work with the 
> > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Jade,
>This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?

 
> Remember that the only place that you can add new pads is input 
> 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-zone pads. 
> The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and body 
through 
> 9/10, only the body. 
> 
> The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. Tom and I 
> just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for it, and 
Tom 
> got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of the Yamaha 
> HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a controller 
that 

> can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the flick of a 
> switch. Very cool.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > bought.
> > Jade
> > 
> > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > between the hat and 
> > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > getting to work 
> > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > either in mono or 
> > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > > is translucent 
> > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > (separate trigger 
> > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > > a full report 
> > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > can take a good 
> > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > > at their 
> > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > point, there is 
> > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > hat assembly is 
> > > well in progress.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > > work with the 
> > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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Jade,

Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and test the 
Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm really 
impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as sensitively as 
my first impression led me to believe. The bell is generous in size 
and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the level of 
crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll definitely get there. 
I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my midiKITI, which has 
some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it works too well 
through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it makes the 
Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. The Visu-
lite is confirming me in my purist ways.

Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface over the 
acrylic is a little more evident than on some other cymbals, but not 
bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor won't flinch; 
those who use headphones should be able to find comfortable volume 
and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp in a dark 
rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is brilliant. I can 
imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Jade,
> >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
> HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?
> 
>  
> > Remember that the only place that you can add new pads is input 
> > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-zone 
pads. 
> > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and body 
> through 
> > 9/10, only the body. 
> > 
> > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. Tom and 
I 
> > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for it, and 
> Tom 
> > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of the Yamaha 
> > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a controller 
> that 
> > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the flick of 
a 
> > switch. Very cool.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
<jadiebooshkie@y...> 

> > wrote:
> > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > > bought.
> > > Jade
> > > 
> > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > between the hat and 
> > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > getting to work 
> > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > either in mono or 
> > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > > > is translucent 
> > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > > > a full report 
> > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > > can take a good 
> > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > > > at their 
> > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > point, there is 
> > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > well in progress.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > > > work with the 
> > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Jade,
> 
> Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and test the 
> Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm really 
I am trying to order a visulite from their online store...I can't 
seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail on their 
phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade

> impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as sensitively as 
> my first impression led me to believe. The bell is generous in 
size 
> and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the level of 
> crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll definitely get 
there. 
> I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my midiKITI, which 
has 
> some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it works too well 
> through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it makes the 
> Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. The Visu-
> lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> 
> Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface over the 
> acrylic is a little more evident than on some other cymbals, but 
not 
> bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor won't flinch; 
> those who use headphones should be able to find comfortable volume 
> and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp in a dark 
> rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is brilliant. I can 
> imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Jade,
> > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
> > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?
> > 
> >  
> > > Remember that the only place that you can add new pads is 
input 
> > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-zone 
> pads. 
> > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and body 
> > through 
> > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > 
> > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. Tom 
and 
> I 
> > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for it, 
and 
> > Tom 
> > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of the 
Yamaha 
> > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a 
controller 
> > that 
> > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the flick 
of 

> a 
> > > switch. Very cool.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > > > bought.
> > > > Jade
> > > > 
> > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > > > > a full report 
> > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > > > > at their 
> > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't like the 
internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to delete it from 
his site, and would rather the company deal directly with customers 
via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or the email link 
on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a phone number or 
email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call or email to 
get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me know if you 
don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I speak with 
him.

Ed

Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk between the bell 
and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and lowering of 
gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Jade,
> > 
> > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and test the 
> > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm really 
> I am trying to order a visulite from their online store...I can't 
> seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail on their 
> phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> 
> > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as sensitively 
as 
> > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is generous in 
> size 
> > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the level of 
> > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll definitely get 
> there. 
> > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my midiKITI, which 
> has 
> > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it works too 
well 
> > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it makes 
the 
> > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. The 
Visu-
> > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > 
> > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface over the 
> > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other cymbals, but 
> not 
> > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor won't 
flinch; 
> > those who use headphones should be able to find comfortable 
volume 
> > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp in a 
dark 

> > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is brilliant. I can 
> > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Jade,
> > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
> > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > Remember that the only place that you can add new pads is 
> input 
> > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-zone 
> > pads. 
> > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and body 
> > > through 
> > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > 
> > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. Tom 
> and 
> > I 
> > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for it, 
> and 
> > > Tom 
> > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of the 
> Yamaha 
> > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a 
> controller 
> > > that 
> > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the flick 
> of 
> > a 
> > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > > > > bought.
> > > > > Jade
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > __________________________________________________
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> > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the internet (the 
way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask him if he 
received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I will have 
to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII modile, and 
DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the WEB and 
couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can find one?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't like the 
> internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to delete it 
from 
> his site, and would rather the company deal directly with 
customers 
> via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or the email 
link 
> on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a phone number 
or 
> email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call or email 
to 
> get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me know if you 
> don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I speak 
with 
> him.
> 
> Ed
> 
> Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk between the 
bell 
> and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and lowering 
of 
> gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Jade,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and test 
the 
> > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm really 
> > I am trying to order a visulite from their online store...I 
can't 
> > seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail on their 
> > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > 
> > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as 
sensitively 
> as 
> > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is generous in 
> > size 
> > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the level of 
> > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll definitely get 
> > there. 
> > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my midiKITI, 
which 
> > has 
> > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it works too 
> well 
> > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it makes 
> the 
> > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. The 
> Visu-
> > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > 
> > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface over 
the 
> > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other cymbals, 
but 
> > not 
> > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor won't 
> flinch; 
> > > those who use headphones should be able to find comfortable 
> volume 
> > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp in a 
> dark 
> > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is brilliant. I 
can 
> > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Jade,
> > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
> > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add new pads is 
> > input 
> > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-
zone 
> > > pads. 
> > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and 
body 
> > > > through 
> > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. 
Tom 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for 
it, 
> > and 
> > > > Tom 
> > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of the 
> > Yamaha 
> > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a 
> > controller 
> > > > that 
> > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the 
flick 

> > of 
> > > a 
> > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> > > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

It's hit or miss with the midiKITI, but here's a link at ebay for a 
Roland PM-16 currently available. If you can get it for $100 or 
less, you'll be in good shape; there doesn't appear to be much 
bidding on it. The PM-16 is probably a safer bet than the KITI, 
anyway. If you have trouble programming it, you can probably get 
help from other users more easily, and you may never have to worry 
about inputs again. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=10175&item=2502810537&rd=1

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the internet (the 
> way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask him if he 
> received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I will have 
> to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII modile, 
and 
> DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the WEB and 
> couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can find one?
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't like the 
> > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to delete it 
> from 
> > his site, and would rather the company deal directly with 
> customers 
> > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or the email 
> link 
> > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a phone 
number 
> or 
> > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call or 
email 
> to 
> > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me know if 
you 
> > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I speak 
> with 
> > him.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk between the 
> bell 
> > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and 
lowering 
> of 
> > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Jade,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and test 
> the 
> > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm 
really 
> > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online store...I 
> can't 
> > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail on 
their 
> > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > 
> > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as 
> sensitively 
> > as 
> > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is generous 
in 
> > > size 
> > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the level 
of 
> > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll definitely 
get 
> > > there. 
> > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my midiKITI, 
> which 
> > > has 
> > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it works 
too 
> > well 
> > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it 
makes 
> > the 
> > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. The 
> > Visu-
> > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > 
> > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface over 
> the 
> > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other cymbals, 
> but 
> > > not 
> > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor won't 
> > flinch; 
> > > > those who use headphones should be able to find comfortable 
> > volume 
> > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp in a 
> > dark 
> > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is brilliant. I 
> can 
> > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
> > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add new pads 
is 
> > > input 
> > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-
> zone 
> > > > pads. 
> > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and 
> body 
> > > > > through 
> > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. 
> Tom 
> > > and 
> > > > I 
> > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for 
> it, 
> > > and 
> > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of 
the 

> > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a 
> > > controller 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the 
> flick 
> > > of 
> > > > a 
> > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> > > > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported that he has a 
midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe you can reach 
him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, if you're 
interested. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the internet (the 
> way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask him if he 
> received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I will have 
> to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII modile, 
and 
> DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the WEB and 
> couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can find one?
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't like the 
> > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to delete it 
> from 
> > his site, and would rather the company deal directly with 
> customers 
> > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or the email 
> link 
> > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a phone 
number 
> or 
> > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call or 
email 
> to 
> > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me know if 
you 
> > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I speak 
> with 
> > him.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk between the 
> bell 
> > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and 
lowering 
> of 
> > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Jade,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and test 
> the 
> > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm 
really 
> > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online store...I 
> can't 
> > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail on 
their 
> > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > 
> > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as 
> sensitively 
> > as 
> > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is generous 
in 
> > > size 
> > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the level 
of 
> > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll definitely 
get 
> > > there. 
> > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my midiKITI, 
> which 
> > > has 
> > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it works 
too 
> > well 
> > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it 
makes 
> > the 
> > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. The 
> > Visu-
> > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > 
> > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface over 
> the 
> > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other cymbals, 
> but 
> > > not 
> > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor won't 
> > flinch; 
> > > > those who use headphones should be able to find comfortable 
> > volume 
> > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp in a 
> > dark 
> > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is brilliant. I 
> can 
> > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
> > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add new pads 
is 
> > > input 
> > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-
> zone 
> > > > pads. 
> > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim and 
> body 
> > > > > through 
> > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the way. 
> Tom 
> > > and 
> > > > I 
> > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis for 
> it, 
> > > and 
> > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of 
the 

> > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a 
> > > controller 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the 
> flick 
> > > of 
> > > > a 
> > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said that
> > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call it
> > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking (mine
> > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to do
> > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in action
> > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals will
> > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> > > > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

I just sent this seller an email about the MidiKITI...we'll see if 
he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a samll 
fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used Alesis DM-5 or a 
DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only if I can not 
find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if and when I 
hear about the KAT....Jade

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported that he has 
a 
> midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe you can 
reach 
> him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, if you're 
> interested. 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the internet 
(the 
> > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask him if he 
> > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I will 
have 
> > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII modile, 
> and 
> > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the WEB and 
> > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can find one?
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't like 
the 
> > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to delete 
it 
> > from 
> > > his site, and would rather the company deal directly with 
> > customers 
> > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or the 
email 
> > link 
> > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a phone 
> number 
> > or 
> > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call or 
> email 
> > to 
> > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me know if 
> you 
> > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I speak 
> > with 
> > > him.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk between the 
> > bell 
> > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and 
> lowering 
> > of 
> > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Jade,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and 
test 
> > the 
> > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm 
> really 
> > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online store...I 
> > can't 
> > > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail on 
> their 
> > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > 
> > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as 
> > sensitively 
> > > as 
> > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is 
generous 
> in 
> > > > size 
> > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the level 
> of 
> > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll definitely 
> get 
> > > > there. 
> > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my midiKITI, 
> > which 
> > > > has 
> > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it works 
> too 
> > > well 
> > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it 
> makes 
> > > the 
> > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. 
The 
> > > Visu-
> > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface 
over 
> > the 
> > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other 
cymbals, 
> > but 
> > > > not 
> > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor won't 
> > > flinch; 
> > > > > those who use headphones should be able to find 
comfortable 
> > > volume 
> > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp in 
a 
> > > dark 
> > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is brilliant. 
I 
> > can 
> > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on real 
> > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is it?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add new pads 
> is 
> > > > input 
> > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one dual-
> > zone 
> > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim 
and 
> > body 
> > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the 
way. 
> > Tom 
> > > > and 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis 
for 
> > it, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal of 
> the 
> > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a 
> > > > controller 
> > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with the 
> > flick 
> > > > of 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk issue,
> > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said 
that
> > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in lieu
> > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and call 
it
> > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I do
> > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great to
> > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I will
> > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride you
> > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking 
(mine
> > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-zone
> > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope to 
do
> > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. You
> > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in 
action
> > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals 
will

> > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, Pintech
> > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> > > > > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't get with it 
is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed to open), 
which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's assembly. The DM 
Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll get the 
Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable parameters. 
You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player either. You 
should research both Alesis modules carefully before jumping. 

The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a better buy for 
you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're in an 
enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro or PM-16 yet 
either. I take back what I said about the discontinued Roland being 
a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small company that now 
handles Kat products, has great technical support. You could also 
ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where you might get 
one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch with a seller 
in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> I just sent this seller an email about the MidiKITI...we'll see if 
> he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a samll 
> fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used Alesis DM-5 or 
a 
> DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only if I can 
not 
> find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if and when I 
> hear about the KAT....Jade
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported that he 
has 
> a 
> > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe you can 
> reach 
> > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, if 
you're 
> > interested. 
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the internet 
> (the 
> > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask him if 
he 
> > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I will 
> have 
> > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII 
modile, 
> > and 
> > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the WEB and 
> > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can find 
one?
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't like 
> the 
> > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to delete 
> it 
> > > from 
> > > > his site, and would rather the company deal directly with 
> > > customers 
> > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or the 
> email 
> > > link 
> > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a phone 
> > number 
> > > or 
> > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call or 
> > email 
> > > to 
> > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me know 
if 
> > you 
> > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I 
speak 
> > > with 
> > > > him.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk between 
the 
> > > bell 
> > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and 
> > lowering 
> > > of 
> > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker and 
> test 
> > > the 
> > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm 
> > really 
> > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online 
store...I 
> > > can't 
> > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail on 
> > their 
> > > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > > 
> > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as 
> > > sensitively 
> > > > as 
> > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is 
> generous 
> > in 
> > > > > size 
> > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the 
level 
> > of 
> > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll 
definitely 
> > get 
> > > > > there. 
> > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my 
midiKITI, 
> > > which 
> > > > > has 
> > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it 
works 
> > too 
> > > > well 
> > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, it 
> > makes 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without layering. 
> The 
> > > > Visu-
> > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface 
> over 
> > > the 
> > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other 
> cymbals, 
> > > but 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor 
won't 
> > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to find 
> comfortable 
> > > > volume 
> > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a lamp 
in 
> a 
> > > > dark 
> > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is 
brilliant. 
> I 
> > > can 
> > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on 
real 
> > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how is 
it?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add new 
pads 
> > is 
> > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one 
dual-
> > > zone 
> > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both rim 
> and 
> > > body 
> > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the 
> way. 
> > > Tom 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the basis 
> for 
> > > it, 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal 
of 
> > the 
> > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make a 
> > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with 
the 
> > > flick 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk 
issue,
> > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he said 
> that
> > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in 
lieu
> > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in another
> > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and 
call 
> it
> > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and I 
do
> > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be great 
to
> > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I 
will
> > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite Ride 
you
> > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had trouble
> > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the Hart
> > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking 
> (mine
> > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-
zone
> > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope 
to 
> do
> > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. 
You
> > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in 
> action
> > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At this
> > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible hi
> > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of cymbals 
> will
> > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, 
Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up 
now.
> > > > > > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

I REALLY don't wanna spend a fortune, especially considering that 
this module is BRAND NEW!! And when Visulite makes a HH for Yamaha, 
I will want to add that eventually.  I hope I can find the MidiKITI 
or the PM-16.  Where can I get in touch with KAT?  And by the 
way...MANY THANX for all your help!!....Jade


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't get with 
it 
> is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed to open), 
> which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's assembly. The DM 
> Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll get the 
> Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable parameters. 
> You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player either. You 
> should research both Alesis modules carefully before jumping. 
> 
> The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a better buy 
for 
> you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're in an 
> enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro or PM-16 
yet 
> either. I take back what I said about the discontinued Roland 
being 
> a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small company that 
now 
> handles Kat products, has great technical support. You could also 
> ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where you might 
get 
> one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch with a seller 
> in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > I just sent this seller an email about the MidiKITI...we'll see 
if 
> > he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a samll 
> > fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used Alesis DM-5 
or 
> a 
> > DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only if I can 
> not 
> > find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if and when 
I 
> > hear about the KAT....Jade
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported that he 
> has 
> > a 
> > > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe you can 
> > reach 
> > > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, if 
> you're 
> > > interested. 
> > > 
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the 
internet 
> > (the 
> > > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask him if 
> he 
> > > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I 
will 
> > have 
> > > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII 
> modile, 
> > > and 
> > > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the WEB 
and 
> > > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can find 
> one?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't 
like 
> > the 
> > > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to 
delete 
> > it 
> > > > from 
> > > > > his site, and would rather the company deal directly with 
> > > > customers 
> > > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or the 
> > email 
> > > > link 
> > > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a phone 
> > > number 
> > > > or 
> > > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call 
or 
> > > email 
> > > > to 
> > > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me know 
> if 
> > > you 
> > > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I 
> speak 
> > > > with 
> > > > > him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk between 
> the 
> > > > bell 
> > > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and 
> > > lowering 
> > > > of 
> > > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker 
and 
> > test 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and I'm 
> > > really 
> > > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online 
> store...I 
> > > > can't 
> > > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice mail 
on 
> > > their 
> > > > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as 
> > > > sensitively 
> > > > > as 
> > > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is 
> > generous 
> > > in 
> > > > > > size 
> > > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the 
> level 
> > > of 
> > > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll 
> definitely 
> > > get 
> > > > > > there. 
> > > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my 
> midiKITI, 
> > > > which 
> > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it 
> works 
> > > too 
> > > > > well 
> > > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In fact, 
it 
> > > makes 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without 
layering. 
> > The 
> > > > > Visu-
> > > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing surface 
> > over 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other 
> > cymbals, 
> > > > but 
> > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor 
> won't 
> > > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to find 
> > comfortable 
> > > > > volume 
> > > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a 
lamp 
> in 
> > a 
> > > > > dark 
> > > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is 
> brilliant. 
> > I 
> > > > can 
> > > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' on 
> real 
> > > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how 
is 
> it?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add new 
> pads 
> > > is 
> > > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or one 
> dual-
> > > > zone 
> > > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both 
rim 
> > and 
> > > > body 
> > > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on the 
> > way. 
> > > > Tom 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the 
basis 
> > for 
> > > > it, 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the signal 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to make 
a 
> > > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules with 
> the 
> > > > flick 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk 
> issue,
> > > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he 
said 
> > that
> > > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads in 
> lieu
> > > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in 
another
> > > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and 
> call 
> > it
> > > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, and 
I 
> do
> > > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be 
great 
> to
> > > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  I 
> will
> > > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite 
Ride 
> you
> > > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had 
trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the 
Hart
> > > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is 
terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My new
> > > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant looking 
> > (mine
> > > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either dual-
> zone
> > > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I hope 
> to 
> > do
> > > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with it. 
> You
> > > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals in 
> > action
> > > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At 
this
> > > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha compatible 
hi
> > > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of 
cymbals 
> > will
> > > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, 
> Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
__________________________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up 
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Alternate Mode are at www.alternatemode.com. If that fails, Broadway 
Music Consignments in Nashville were advertising a PM-16 for $100, 
which is about right (1-800-4U2-PLAY). I've never used the PM-16, 
but other members of this group have, and do. 

Hey, glad to help. I hope something turns up. It usually does.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
<jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> I REALLY don't wanna spend a fortune, especially considering that 
> this module is BRAND NEW!! And when Visulite makes a HH for 
Yamaha, 
> I will want to add that eventually.  I hope I can find the 
MidiKITI 
> or the PM-16.  Where can I get in touch with KAT?  And by the 
> way...MANY THANX for all your help!!....Jade
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't get with 
> it 
> > is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed to open), 
> > which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's assembly. The 
DM 
> > Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll get the 
> > Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable 
parameters. 
> > You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player either. 
You 
> > should research both Alesis modules carefully before jumping. 
> > 
> > The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a better buy 
> for 
> > you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're in an 
> > enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro or PM-16 
> yet 
> > either. I take back what I said about the discontinued Roland 
> being 
> > a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small company that 
> now 
> > handles Kat products, has great technical support. You could 
also 
> > ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where you might 
> get 
> > one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch with a 
seller 
> > in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I just sent this seller an email about the MidiKITI...we'll 
see 
> if 
> > > he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a samll 
> > > fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used Alesis DM-
5 
> or 
> > a 
> > > DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only if I 
can 
> > not 
> > > find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if and 
when 
> I 
> > > hear about the KAT....Jade
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported that 
he 
> > has 
> > > a 
> > > > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe you 
can 
> > > reach 
> > > > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, if 
> > you're 
> > > > interested. 
> > > > 
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the 
> internet 
> > > (the 
> > > > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask him 
if 
> > he 
> > > > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I 
> will 
> > > have 
> > > > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII 
> > modile, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the WEB 
> and 
> > > > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can 
find 
> > one?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, doesn't 
> like 
> > > the 
> > > > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to 
> delete 
> > > it 
> > > > > from 
> > > > > > his site, and would rather the company deal directly 
with 
> > > > > customers 
> > > > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or 
the 
> > > email 
> > > > > link 
> > > > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a 
phone 
> > > > number 
> > > > > or 
> > > > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your call 
> or 
> > > > email 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me 
know 
> > if 
> > > > you 
> > > > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time I 
> > speak 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > > him.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk 
between 
> > the 
> > > > > bell 
> > > > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection and 
> > > > lowering 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to tinker 
> and 
> > > test 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and 
I'm 
> > > > really 
> > > > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online 
> > store...I 
> > > > > can't 
> > > > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice 
mail 
> on 
> > > > their 
> > > > > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and as 
> > > > > sensitively 
> > > > > > as 
> > > > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is 
> > > generous 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > size 
> > > > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine the 
> > level 
> > > > of 
> > > > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll 
> > definitely 
> > > > get 
> > > > > > > there. 
> > > > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my 
> > midiKITI, 
> > > > > which 
> > > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but it 
> > works 
> > > > too 
> > > > > > well 
> > > > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In 
fact, 
> it 
> > > > makes 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without 
> layering. 
> > > The 
> > > > > > Visu-
> > > > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing 
surface 
> > > over 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some other 
> > > cymbals, 
> > > > > but 
> > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a monitor 
> > won't 
> > > > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to find 
> > > comfortable 
> > > > > > volume 
> > > > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a 
> lamp 
> > in 
> > > a 
> > > > > > dark 
> > > > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is 
> > brilliant. 
> > > I 
> > > > > can 
> > > > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' 
on 
> > real 
> > > > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite Ride...how 
> is 
> > it?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add 
new 
> > pads 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or 
one 
> > dual-
> > > > > zone 
> > > > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you both 
> rim 
> > > and 
> > > > > body 
> > > > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on 
the 
> > > way. 
> > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the 
> basis 
> > > for 
> > > > > it, 
> > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the 
signal 
> > of 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to 
make 
> a 
> > > > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules 
with 
> > the 
> > > > > flick 
> > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-talk 
> > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he 
> said 
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads 
in 
> > lieu
> > > > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in 
> another
> > > > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, and 
> > call 
> > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, 
and 
> I 
> > do
> > > > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be 
> great 
> > to
> > > > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your help.  
I 
> > will
> > > > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite 
> Ride 
> > you
> > > > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk problem
> > > > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had 
> trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is the 
> Hart
> > > > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is 
> terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My 
new
> > > > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant 
looking 
> > > (mine
> > > > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either 
dual-
> > zone
> > > > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I 
hope 
> > to 
> > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with 
it. 
> > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals 
in 
> > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. At 
> this
> > > > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha 
compatible 
> hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of 
> cymbals 
> > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, 
> > Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> __________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
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Hey ed, if we use the PM-16 is it possible to use the Yamaha sounds 
or do we have to use the PM-16 sounds?  I don't even know if this is 
possible...  And the yamaha triggers will work correctly for sure 
right?


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Alternate Mode are at www.alternatemode.com. If that fails, 
Broadway 
> Music Consignments in Nashville were advertising a PM-16 for $100, 
> which is about right (1-800-4U2-PLAY). I've never used the PM-16, 
> but other members of this group have, and do. 
> 
> Hey, glad to help. I hope something turns up. It usually does.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > I REALLY don't wanna spend a fortune, especially considering 
that 
> > this module is BRAND NEW!! And when Visulite makes a HH for 
> Yamaha, 
> > I will want to add that eventually.  I hope I can find the 
> MidiKITI 
> > or the PM-16.  Where can I get in touch with KAT?  And by the 
> > way...MANY THANX for all your help!!....Jade
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't get 
with 
> > it 
> > > is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed to 
open), 
> > > which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's assembly. The 
> DM 
> > > Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll get 
the 
> > > Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable 
> parameters. 
> > > You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player either. 
> You 
> > > should research both Alesis modules carefully before jumping. 
> > > 
> > > The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a better 
buy 
> > for 
> > > you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're in an 
> > > enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro or PM-
16 
> > yet 
> > > either. I take back what I said about the discontinued Roland 
> > being 
> > > a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small company 
that 
> > now 
> > > handles Kat products, has great technical support. You could 
> also 
> > > ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where you 
might 
> > get 
> > > one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch with a 
> seller 
> > > in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > I just sent this seller an email about the MidiKITI...we'll 
> see 
> > if 
> > > > he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a samll 
> > > > fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used Alesis 
DM-
> 5 
> > or 
> > > a 
> > > > DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only if I 
> can 
> > > not 
> > > > find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if and 
> when 
> > I 
> > > > hear about the KAT....Jade
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported 
that 
> he 
> > > has 
> > > > a 
> > > > > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe you 
> can 
> > > > reach 
> > > > > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, if 
> > > you're 
> > > > > interested. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the 
> > internet 
> > > > (the 
> > > > > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask 
him 
> if 
> > > he 
> > > > > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, I 
> > will 
> > > > have 
> > > > > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the DTXII 
> > > modile, 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the 
WEB 
> > and 
> > > > > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can 
> find 
> > > one?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, 
doesn't 
> > like 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able to 
> > delete 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > his site, and would rather the company deal directly 
> with 
> > > > > > customers 
> > > > > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) or 
> the 
> > > > email 
> > > > > > link 
> > > > > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a 
> phone 
> > > > > number 
> > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your 
call 
> > or 
> > > > > email 
> > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let me 
> know 
> > > if 
> > > > > you 
> > > > > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next time 
I 
> > > speak 
> > > > > > with 
> > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk 
> between 
> > > the 
> > > > > > bell 
> > > > > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection 
and 
> > > > > lowering 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to 
tinker 
> > and 
> > > > test 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, and 
> I'm 
> > > > > really 
> > > > > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online 
> > > store...I 
> > > > > > can't 
> > > > > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice 
> mail 
> > on 
> > > > > their 
> > > > > > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and 
as 
> > > > > > sensitively 
> > > > > > > as 
> > > > > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell is 
> > > > generous 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > size 
> > > > > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine 
the 
> > > level 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll 
> > > definitely 
> > > > > get 
> > > > > > > > there. 
> > > > > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my 
> > > midiKITI, 
> > > > > > which 
> > > > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but 
it 
> > > works 
> > > > > too 
> > > > > > > well 
> > > > > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In 
> fact, 
> > it 
> > > > > makes 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without 
> > layering. 
> > > > The 
> > > > > > > Visu-
> > > > > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing 
> surface 
> > > > over 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some 
other 
> > > > cymbals, 
> > > > > > but 
> > > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a 
monitor 
> > > won't 
> > > > > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to find 
> > > > comfortable 
> > > > > > > volume 
> > > > > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from a 
> > lamp 
> > > in 
> > > > a 
> > > > > > > dark 
> > > > > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is 
> > > brilliant. 
> > > > I 
> > > > > > can 
> > > > > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like playin' 
> on 
> > > real 
> > > > > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite 
Ride...how 
> > is 
> > > it?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can add 
> new 
> > > pads 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads or 
> one 
> > > dual-
> > > > > > zone 
> > > > > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you 
both 
> > rim 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > body 
> > > > > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely on 
> the 
> > > > way. 
> > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as the 
> > basis 
> > > > for 
> > > > > > it, 
> > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the 
> signal 
> > > of 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is to 
> make 
> > a 
> > > > > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha modules 
> with 
> > > the 
> > > > > > flick 
> > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-
talk 
> > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and he 
> > said 
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more pads 
> in 
> > > lieu
> > > > > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest in 
> > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, 
and 
> > > call 
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the Visulites, 
> and 
> > I 
> > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would be 
> > great 
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your 
help.  
> I 
> > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the Visulite 
> > Ride 
> > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk 
problem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had 
> > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is 
the 
> > Hart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is 
> > terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). My 
> new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant 
> looking 
> > > > (mine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either 
> dual-
> > > zone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). I 
> hope 
> > > to 
> > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time with 
> it. 
> > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's cymbals 
> in 
> > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi hat. 
At 
> > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha 
> compatible 
> > hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> > DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of 
> > cymbals 
> > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  Hart, 
> > > Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII module?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > __________________________________________________
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Sign 

> up 
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The PM-16 and midiKITI have no sounds of their own. They have to use 
the Yamaha's. But if you're planning to add stereo or trio rubber 
pads, don't get either one, because they can't process them, only 
single or dual zone pads.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> Hey ed, if we use the PM-16 is it possible to use the Yamaha 
sounds 
> or do we have to use the PM-16 sounds?  I don't even know if this 
is 
> possible...  And the yamaha triggers will work correctly for sure 
> right?
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Alternate Mode are at www.alternatemode.com. If that fails, 
> Broadway 
> > Music Consignments in Nashville were advertising a PM-16 for 
$100, 
> > which is about right (1-800-4U2-PLAY). I've never used the PM-
16, 
> > but other members of this group have, and do. 
> > 
> > Hey, glad to help. I hope something turns up. It usually does.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > I REALLY don't wanna spend a fortune, especially considering 
> that 
> > > this module is BRAND NEW!! And when Visulite makes a HH for 
> > Yamaha, 
> > > I will want to add that eventually.  I hope I can find the 
> > MidiKITI 
> > > or the PM-16.  Where can I get in touch with KAT?  And by the 
> > > way...MANY THANX for all your help!!....Jade
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't get 
> with 
> > > it 
> > > > is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed to 
> open), 
> > > > which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's assembly. 
The 
> > DM 
> > > > Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll get 
> the 
> > > > Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable 
> > parameters. 
> > > > You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player 
either. 
> > You 
> > > > should research both Alesis modules carefully before 
jumping. 
> > > > 
> > > > The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a better 
> buy 
> > > for 
> > > > you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're in 
an 
> > > > enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro or PM-
> 16 
> > > yet 
> > > > either. I take back what I said about the discontinued 
Roland 
> > > being 
> > > > a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small company 
> that 
> > > now 
> > > > handles Kat products, has great technical support. You could 
> > also 
> > > > ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where you 
> might 
> > > get 
> > > > one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch with a 
> > seller 
> > > > in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I just sent this seller an email about the 
MidiKITI...we'll 
> > see 
> > > if 
> > > > > he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a samll 
> > > > > fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used Alesis 
> DM-
> > 5 
> > > or 
> > > > a 
> > > > > DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only if 
I 
> > can 
> > > > not 
> > > > > find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if 
and 
> > when 
> > > I 
> > > > > hear about the KAT....Jade
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported 
> that 
> > he 
> > > > has 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe 
you 
> > can 
> > > > > reach 
> > > > > > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay page, 
if 
> > > > you're 
> > > > > > interested. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the 
> > > internet 
> > > > > (the 
> > > > > > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and ask 
> him 
> > if 
> > > > he 
> > > > > > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride goes, 
I 
> > > will 
> > > > > have 
> > > > > > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the 
DTXII 
> > > > modile, 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER the 
> WEB 
> > > and 
> > > > > > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I can 
> > find 
> > > > one?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, 
> doesn't 
> > > like 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able 
to 
> > > delete 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > > his site, and would rather the company deal directly 
> > with 
> > > > > > > customers 
> > > > > > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) 
or 
> > the 
> > > > > email 
> > > > > > > link 
> > > > > > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave a 
> > phone 
> > > > > > number 
> > > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return your 
> call 
> > > or 
> > > > > > email 
> > > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let 
me 
> > know 
> > > > if 
> > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next 
time 
> I 
> > > > speak 
> > > > > > > with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk 
> > between 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > bell 
> > > > > > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific rejection 
> and 
> > > > > > lowering 
> > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to 
> tinker 
> > > and 
> > > > > test 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, 
and 
> > I'm 
> > > > > > really 
> > > > > > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their online 
> > > > store...I 
> > > > > > > can't 
> > > > > > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only voice 
> > mail 
> > > on 
> > > > > > their 
> > > > > > > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably and 
> as 
> > > > > > > sensitively 
> > > > > > > > as 
> > > > > > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The bell 
is 
> > > > > generous 
> > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > > size 
> > > > > > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to determine 
> the 
> > > > level 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll 
> > > > definitely 
> > > > > > get 
> > > > > > > > > there. 
> > > > > > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with my 
> > > > midiKITI, 
> > > > > > > which 
> > > > > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, but 
> it 
> > > > works 
> > > > > > too 
> > > > > > > > well 
> > > > > > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. In 
> > fact, 
> > > it 
> > > > > > makes 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without 
> > > layering. 
> > > > > The 
> > > > > > > > Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing 
> > surface 
> > > > > over 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some 
> other 
> > > > > cymbals, 
> > > > > > > but 
> > > > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a 
> monitor 
> > > > won't 
> > > > > > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to find 
> > > > > comfortable 
> > > > > > > > volume 
> > > > > > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light from 
a 
> > > lamp 
> > > > in 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > dark 
> > > > > > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect is 
> > > > brilliant. 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > > can 
> > > > > > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like 
playin' 
> > on 
> > > > real 
> > > > > > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite 
> Ride...how 
> > > is 
> > > > it?
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can 
add 
> > new 
> > > > pads 
> > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads 
or 
> > one 
> > > > dual-
> > > > > > > zone 
> > > > > > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you 
> both 
> > > rim 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > body 
> > > > > > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is definitely 
on 
> > the 
> > > > > way. 
> > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as 
the 
> > > basis 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > it, 
> > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure the 
> > signal 
> > > > of 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is 
to 
> > make 
> > > a 
> > > > > > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha 
modules 
> > with 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > flick 
> > > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb maniace 
> > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the cross-
> talk 
> > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, and 
he 
> > > said 
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more 
pads 
> > in 
> > > > lieu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest 
in 
> > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the TP80S, 
> and 
> > > > call 
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the 
Visulites, 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it would 
be 
> > > great 
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your 
> help.  
> > I 
> > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the 
Visulite 
> > > Ride 
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk 
> problem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've had 
> > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics is 
> the 
> > > Hart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal is 
> > > terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the Yamahas). 
My 
> > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant 
> > looking 
> > > > > (mine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in either 
> > dual-
> > > > zone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no bell). 
I 
> > hope 
> > > > to 
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time 
with 
> > it. 
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's 
cymbals 
> > in 
> > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi 
hat. 
> At 
> > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha 
> > compatible 
> > > hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> > > DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
<jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands of 
> > > cymbals 
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  
Hart, 
> > > > Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII 
module?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 
> Sign 
> > up 
> > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

The website at Broadway Music says the PM-16 is used for $150 with 
no power supply.  Do you think the equipment there is in ok shape 
for being used?  Also, would it be hard to find a power supply?


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> The PM-16 and midiKITI have no sounds of their own. They have to 
use 
> the Yamaha's. But if you're planning to add stereo or trio rubber 
> pads, don't get either one, because they can't process them, only 
> single or dual zone pads.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven 
<realvast@s...>" 
> <realvast@s...> wrote:
> > Hey ed, if we use the PM-16 is it possible to use the Yamaha 
> sounds 
> > or do we have to use the PM-16 sounds?  I don't even know if 
this 
> is 
> > possible...  And the yamaha triggers will work correctly for 
sure 
> > right?
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Alternate Mode are at www.alternatemode.com. If that fails, 
> > Broadway 
> > > Music Consignments in Nashville were advertising a PM-16 for 
> $100, 
> > > which is about right (1-800-4U2-PLAY). I've never used the PM-
> 16, 
> > > but other members of this group have, and do. 
> > > 
> > > Hey, glad to help. I hope something turns up. It usually does.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > I REALLY don't wanna spend a fortune, especially considering 
> > that 
> > > > this module is BRAND NEW!! And when Visulite makes a HH for 
> > > Yamaha, 
> > > > I will want to add that eventually.  I hope I can find the 
> > > MidiKITI 
> > > > or the PM-16.  Where can I get in touch with KAT?  And by 
the 
> > > > way...MANY THANX for all your help!!....Jade
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't 
get 
> > with 
> > > > it 
> > > > > is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed to 
> > open), 
> > > > > which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's assembly. 
> The 
> > > DM 
> > > > > Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll 
get 
> > the 
> > > > > Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable 
> > > parameters. 
> > > > > You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player 
> either. 
> > > You 
> > > > > should research both Alesis modules carefully before 
> jumping. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a 
better 
> > buy 
> > > > for 
> > > > > you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're in 
> an 
> > > > > enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro or 
PM-
> > 16 
> > > > yet 
> > > > > either. I take back what I said about the discontinued 
> Roland 
> > > > being 
> > > > > a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small 
company 
> > that 
> > > > now 
> > > > > handles Kat products, has great technical support. You 
could 
> > > also 
> > > > > ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where you 
> > might 
> > > > get 
> > > > > one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch with 
a 
> > > seller 
> > > > > in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I just sent this seller an email about the 
> MidiKITI...we'll 
> > > see 
> > > > if 
> > > > > > he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a 
samll 
> > > > > > fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used 
Alesis 
> > DM-
> > > 5 
> > > > or 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only 
if 
> I 
> > > can 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > find something reasonably priced...will ley you know if 
> and 
> > > when 
> > > > I 
> > > > > > hear about the KAT....Jade
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller reported 
> > that 
> > > he 
> > > > > has 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. Maybe 
> you 
> > > can 
> > > > > > reach 
> > > > > > > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay 
page, 
> if 
> > > > > you're 
> > > > > > > interested. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > > > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via the 
> > > > internet 
> > > > > > (the 
> > > > > > > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and 
ask 
> > him 
> > > if 
> > > > > he 
> > > > > > > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride 
goes, 
> I 
> > > > will 
> > > > > > have 
> > > > > > > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the 
> DTXII 
> > > > > modile, 
> > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER 
the 
> > WEB 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I 
can 
> > > find 
> > > > > one?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, 
> > doesn't 
> > > > like 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been able 
> to 
> > > > delete 
> > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > > > his site, and would rather the company deal 
directly 
> > > with 
> > > > > > > > customers 
> > > > > > > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one answers) 
> or 
> > > the 
> > > > > > email 
> > > > > > > > link 
> > > > > > > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and leave 
a 
> > > phone 
> > > > > > > number 
> > > > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return 
your 
> > call 
> > > > or 
> > > > > > > email 
> > > > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. Let 
> me 
> > > know 
> > > > > if 
> > > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know next 
> time 
> > I 
> > > > > speak 
> > > > > > > > with 
> > > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow crosstalk 
> > > between 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > bell 
> > > > > > > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific 
rejection 
> > and 
> > > > > > > lowering 
> > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to 
> > tinker 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > test 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the Yamaha, 
> and 
> > > I'm 
> > > > > > > really 
> > > > > > > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their 
online 
> > > > > store...I 
> > > > > > > > can't 
> > > > > > > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only 
voice 
> > > mail 
> > > > on 
> > > > > > > their 
> > > > > > > > > > phone number....HOW did you order yours?....Jade
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably 
and 
> > as 
> > > > > > > > sensitively 
> > > > > > > > > as 
> > > > > > > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The 
bell 
> is 
> > > > > > generous 
> > > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > > > size 
> > > > > > > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to 
determine 
> > the 
> > > > > level 
> > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but I'll 
> > > > > definitely 
> > > > > > > get 
> > > > > > > > > > there. 
> > > > > > > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal with 
my 
> > > > > midiKITI, 
> > > > > > > > which 
> > > > > > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, 
but 
> > it 
> > > > > works 
> > > > > > > too 
> > > > > > > > > well 
> > > > > > > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. 
In 
> > > fact, 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > > makes 
> > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good without 
> > > > layering. 
> > > > > > The 
> > > > > > > > > Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber playing 
> > > surface 
> > > > > > over 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on some 
> > other 
> > > > > > cymbals, 
> > > > > > > > but 
> > > > > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a 
> > monitor 
> > > > > won't 
> > > > > > > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to 
find 
> > > > > > comfortable 
> > > > > > > > > volume 
> > > > > > > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light 
from 
> a 
> > > > lamp 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > dark 
> > > > > > > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect 
is 
> > > > > brilliant. 
> > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > can 
> > > > > > > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like 
> playin' 
> > > on 
> > > > > real 
> > > > > > > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite 
> > Ride...how 
> > > > is 
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you can 
> add 
> > > new 
> > > > > pads 
> > > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono pads 
> or 
> > > one 
> > > > > dual-
> > > > > > > > zone 
> > > > > > > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give you 
> > both 
> > > > rim 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > body 
> > > > > > > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is 
definitely 
> on 
> > > the 
> > > > > > way. 
> > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve as 
> the 
> > > > basis 
> > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > it, 
> > > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure 
the 
> > > signal 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan is 
> to 
> > > make 
> > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha 
> modules 
> > > with 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > flick 
> > > > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb 
maniace 
> > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the 
cross-
> > talk 
> > > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, 
and 
> he 
> > > > said 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up more 
> pads 
> > > in 
> > > > > lieu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will invest 
> in 
> > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the 
TP80S, 
> > and 
> > > > > call 
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the 
> Visulites, 
> > > and 
> > > > I 
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it 
would 
> be 
> > > > great 
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all your 
> > help.  
> > > I 
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the 
> Visulite 
> > > > Ride 
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that crosstalk 
> > problem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've 
had 
> > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha electronics 
is 
> > the 
> > > > Hart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal 
is 
> > > > terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the 
Yamahas). 
> My 
> > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is elegant 
> > > looking 
> > > > > > (mine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in 
either 
> > > dual-
> > > > > zone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no 
bell). 
> I 
> > > hope 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more time 
> with 
> > > it. 
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's 
> cymbals 
> > > in 
> > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi 
> hat. 
> > At 
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha 
> > > compatible 
> > > > hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands 
of 

> > > > cymbals 
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  
> Hart, 
> > > > > Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII 
> module?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 
> > Sign 
> > > up 
> > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

I don't know anything about Broadway, but a power supply would not 
be hard to find. You just have to get the voltage numbers, mA, and 
the tip polarity (eg, 9v., 500 mA, positive--which is probably close 
to what the PM-16 needs); you might even have one with the correct 
rating lying around the house. The seller should be able to tell you 
what you need, but the manual should have the info, too. If they 
don't have the manual or the power supply, think twice.  Unless some 
kind-hearted soul is willing to copy the manual for you, you'll have 
to buy one from Roland at a ridiculous charge. You could always 
offer them $100 and see if they are willing to bargain. Otherwise 
wait for one to show up on ebay.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> The website at Broadway Music says the PM-16 is used for $150 with 
> no power supply.  Do you think the equipment there is in ok shape 
> for being used?  Also, would it be hard to find a power supply?
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > The PM-16 and midiKITI have no sounds of their own. They have to 
> use 
> > the Yamaha's. But if you're planning to add stereo or trio 
rubber 
> > pads, don't get either one, because they can't process them, 
only 
> > single or dual zone pads.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven 
> <realvast@s...>" 
> > <realvast@s...> wrote:
> > > Hey ed, if we use the PM-16 is it possible to use the Yamaha 
> > sounds 
> > > or do we have to use the PM-16 sounds?  I don't even know if 
> this 
> > is 
> > > possible...  And the yamaha triggers will work correctly for 
> sure 
> > > right?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Alternate Mode are at www.alternatemode.com. If that fails, 
> > > Broadway 
> > > > Music Consignments in Nashville were advertising a PM-16 for 
> > $100, 
> > > > which is about right (1-800-4U2-PLAY). I've never used the 
PM-
> > 16, 
> > > > but other members of this group have, and do. 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey, glad to help. I hope something turns up. It usually 
does.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I REALLY don't wanna spend a fortune, especially 
considering 
> > > that 
> > > > > this module is BRAND NEW!! And when Visulite makes a HH 
for 
> > > > Yamaha, 
> > > > > I will want to add that eventually.  I hope I can find the 
> > > > MidiKITI 
> > > > > or the PM-16.  Where can I get in touch with KAT?  And by 
> the 
> > > > > way...MANY THANX for all your help!!....Jade
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > The DM5 is good for what it is, but one thing you won't 
> get 
> > > with 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > is a fully variable hi hat (the full range from closed 
to 
> > > open), 
> > > > > > which you would definitely want with Visu-lite's 
assembly. 
> > The 
> > > > DM 
> > > > > > Pro gives you the variable hat, but I don't think you'll 
> get 
> > > the 
> > > > > > Yamaha's stereo or trio inputs or certain programmable 
> > > > parameters. 
> > > > > > You may not get the auxiliary input for your CD player 
> > either. 
> > > > You 
> > > > > > should research both Alesis modules carefully before 
> > jumping. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The Roland TMC-6, whether new or used, is probably a 
> better 
> > > buy 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > you, both in terms of price and features. Unless you're 
in 
> > an 
> > > > > > enormous hurry, I wouldn't give up on the midiKiti Pro 
or 
> PM-
> > > 16 
> > > > > yet 
> > > > > > either. I take back what I said about the discontinued 
> > Roland 
> > > > > being 
> > > > > > a safer bet than the Kat. Alternate Mode, the small 
> company 
> > > that 
> > > > > now 
> > > > > > handles Kat products, has great technical support. You 
> could 
> > > > also 
> > > > > > ask them if they have a kiti in the shop or know where 
you 
> > > might 
> > > > > get 
> > > > > > one. They recently put someone who inquired in touch 
with 
> a 
> > > > seller 
> > > > > > in Florida. I'll also keep my eyes open and let you know.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I just sent this seller an email about the 
> > MidiKITI...we'll 
> > > > see 
> > > > > if 
> > > > > > > he/she answers.  I am thinking if I have to spend a 
> samll 
> > > > > > > fortune...perhaps I can upgrade the brain to a used 
> Alesis 
> > > DM-
> > > > 5 
> > > > > or 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > DM PRO...that way I will have the outlets, that's only 
> if 
> > I 
> > > > can 
> > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > find something reasonably priced...will ley you know 
if 
> > and 
> > > > when 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > > hear about the KAT....Jade
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Here's an auction that's over, but the seller 
reported 
> > > that 
> > > > he 
> > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > midiKITI Pro also for sale. It's the one to get. 
Maybe 
> > you 
> > > > can 
> > > > > > > reach 
> > > > > > > > him and ask if it's still available from the ebay 
> page, 
> > if 
> > > > > > you're 
> > > > > > > > interested. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > > > > ViewItem&item=2502767152&category=622
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I WAS ABLE to place the order for my cymbals via 
the 
> > > > > internet 
> > > > > > > (the 
> > > > > > > > > way Tom doesn't like)  I will email him again and 
> ask 
> > > him 
> > > > if 
> > > > > > he 
> > > > > > > > > received the order.  As far as the Visulite ride 
> goes, 
> > I 
> > > > > will 
> > > > > > > have 
> > > > > > > > > to figure out a way to hook it up, I just thae the 
> > DTXII 
> > > > > > modile, 
> > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > DON'T wanna loose other pads.  I searched ALL OVER 
> the 
> > > WEB 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > couldn't find the KatMIDI KITI....you know where I 
> can 
> > > > find 
> > > > > > one?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Tom Pickard, designer and owner of the company, 
> > > doesn't 
> > > > > like 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > internet sales process, though he hasn't been 
able 
> > to 
> > > > > delete 
> > > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > > > > his site, and would rather the company deal 
> directly 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > > > > customers 
> > > > > > > > > > via the phone number(voice mail if no one 
answers) 
> > or 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > email 
> > > > > > > > > link 
> > > > > > > > > > on the ordering page. Specify your order and 
leave 
> a 
> > > > phone 
> > > > > > > > number 
> > > > > > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > > > email address; someone (maybe Tom) will return 
> your 
> > > call 
> > > > > or 
> > > > > > > > email 
> > > > > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > > > get further info and a credit card # from you. 
Let 
> > me 
> > > > know 
> > > > > > if 
> > > > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > > > > don't get a response, and I'll tell Tom know 
next 
> > time 
> > > I 
> > > > > > speak 
> > > > > > > > > with 
> > > > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Default settings on the Yamaha may allow 
crosstalk 
> > > > between 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > bell 
> > > > > > > > > > and bow, but judicious raising of specific 
> rejection 
> > > and 
> > > > > > > > lowering 
> > > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > gain as necessary will remove all trace of it.
> > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for asking. I've had a little time to 
> > > tinker 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > test 
> > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Visu-lite 1800B ride today through the 
Yamaha, 
> > and 
> > > > I'm 
> > > > > > > > really 
> > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to order a visulite from their 
> online 
> > > > > > store...I 
> > > > > > > > > can't 
> > > > > > > > > > > seem to create an account, and there is only 
> voice 
> > > > mail 
> > > > > on 
> > > > > > > > their 
> > > > > > > > > > > phone number....HOW did you order 
yours?....Jade
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > impressed. It triggers every bit as reliably 
> and 
> > > as 
> > > > > > > > > sensitively 
> > > > > > > > > > as 
> > > > > > > > > > > > my first impression led me to believe. The 
> bell 
> > is 
> > > > > > > generous 
> > > > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > > > > size 
> > > > > > > > > > > > and easy to hit. I haven't had time to 
> determine 
> > > the 
> > > > > > level 
> > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > crosstalk between it and the bow yet, but 
I'll 
> > > > > > definitely 
> > > > > > > > get 
> > > > > > > > > > > there. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I originally intended to mate the cymbal 
with 
> my 
> > > > > > midiKITI, 
> > > > > > > > > which 
> > > > > > > > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > > > > > some stacking features that the DTX doesn't, 
> but 
> > > it 
> > > > > > works 
> > > > > > > > too 
> > > > > > > > > > well 
> > > > > > > > > > > > through the Yamaha to justify any such move. 
> In 
> > > > fact, 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > makes 
> > > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yamaha ride voices actually sound good 
without 
> > > > > layering. 
> > > > > > > The 
> > > > > > > > > > Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > > lite is confirming me in my purist ways.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Stick noise through the 1800B's rubber 
playing 
> > > > surface 
> > > > > > > over 
> > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > acrylic is a little more evident than on 
some 
> > > other 
> > > > > > > cymbals, 
> > > > > > > > > but 
> > > > > > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > > > > > bad at all. Those who play mostly through a 
> > > monitor 
> > > > > > won't 
> > > > > > > > > > flinch; 
> > > > > > > > > > > > those who use headphones should be able to 
> find 
> > > > > > > comfortable 
> > > > > > > > > > volume 
> > > > > > > > > > > > and gain settings. As for looks, when light 
> from 
> > a 
> > > > > lamp 
> > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > dark 
> > > > > > > > > > > > rooms hits the translucent edges, the effect 
> is 
> > > > > > brilliant. 
> > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > can 
> > > > > > > > > > > > imagine how the Visu-lites look on stage. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> > DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jade,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >This will be GREAT...ain't nothin' like 
> > playin' 
> > > > on 
> > > > > > real 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HiHats....your critique of the Visulite 
> > > Ride...how 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember that the only place that you 
can 
> > add 
> > > > new 
> > > > > > pads 
> > > > > > > > is 
> > > > > > > > > > > input 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, which will take either two mono 
pads 
> > or 
> > > > one 
> > > > > > dual-
> > > > > > > > > zone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > pads. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TP80s, as a stereo pad, won't give 
you 
> > > both 
> > > > > rim 
> > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > body 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > through 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/10, only the body. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Visu-lite hi hat assembly is 
> definitely 
> > on 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > way. 
> > > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just procured a Yamaha module to serve 
as 
> > the 
> > > > > basis 
> > > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > > it, 
> > > > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > got out his trusty ohm meter to measure 
> the 
> > > > signal 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > Yamaha 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HH80 controller last Saturday. The plan 
is 
> > to 
> > > > make 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > > controller 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can accomodate both Roland and Yamaha 
> > modules 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > flick 
> > > > > > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > switch. Very cool.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, deb 
> maniace 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't had a chance to work on the 
> cross-
> > > talk 
> > > > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I did talk to Dave J from Yamaha, 
> and 
> > he 
> > > > > said 
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could use a Y adapter to hook up 
more 
> > pads 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > lieu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of another brain.  I think I will 
invest 
> > in 
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dual zone cymbal, and maybe get the 
> TP80S, 
> > > and 
> > > > > > call 
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a day.  I will check out the the 
> > Visulites, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOPE they make a HH for Yamaha...it 
> would 
> > be 
> > > > > great 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > play on a real HH...thanks for all 
your 
> > > help.  
> > > > I 
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be looking for your critique on the 
> > Visulite 
> > > > > Ride 
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bought.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you solved that 
crosstalk 
> > > problem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between the hat and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the snare. The only cymbal that I've 
> had 
> > > > > trouble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adequately through Yamaha 
electronics 
> is 
> > > the 
> > > > > Hart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dual-zone ride. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rolands work, and the Pintech Zenbal 
> is 
> > > > > terrific,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either in mono or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo (bow and rim, like the 
> Yamahas). 
> > My 
> > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite is the Visu-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lite 18" dual-zone ride. It is 
elegant 
> > > > looking 
> > > > > > > (mine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is translucent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grey) and responsive. It comes in 
> either 
> > > > dual-
> > > > > > zone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (separate trigger 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the bell) or single zone (no 
> bell). 
> > I 
> > > > hope 
> > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a full report 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few days when I've had more 
time 
> > with 
> > > > it. 
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can take a good 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look and get a demo of Visu-lite's 
> > cymbals 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at their 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website. If you do, check out the hi 
> > hat. 
> > > At 
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point, there is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only a Roland version, but a Yamaha 
> > > > compatible 
> > > > > hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hat assembly is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well in progress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > > DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jadiebooshkie 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jadiebooshkie@y...>" 
> > <jadiebooshkie@y...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering...what other brands 
> of 
> > > > > cymbals 
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DTExpress II...namely dual zones?  
> > Hart, 
> > > > > > Pintech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland?...Anyone 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried using these with the DTXII 
> > module?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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