Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Just reviewing bits of the manual and appear to be stuck on pages 26-
8!

XL7, v2.0, using PX7 manual.

Setup the multichannel arps, tried to record the trigger buttons 
to "automate your multichannel arpeggiator performance".

followed the instructions, but it's not working.

Have set triggers to seq, tracks 1-3 are set to channels 1-3 and 
different arp presets.  with rechannelize on though, the triggers 
only use the track in the display.  with it off, things work until i 
try to record, at which point it sounds fine but either nothing gets 
recorded or only one of the tracks intermittantly (as if triggering 
the other tracks is cutting it off)

is there a known problem with this?

I've read in the tips and tricks:
To record into the internal sequencer, set the TRIGGERS destination to
be "seq" instead of "int" or "ext" This way, the triggers will be
routed to the sequencer, which will then decide where to route it 
based on the track settings (provided you have rechannelize on).

but it does no good.

A year ago or so, I got into using Trigger Notes (latched) to turn 
arps on/off for developing a possible performance modality. I forgot 
entirely what I did, but I do notice that the trigger notes setup 
allows you to set the channel to Basic, C01A -> C16B (as well as to 
various destinations). 

Over the past few days, I have been wanting to set up my E-Mu so I 
can play tracks and triggers as arps, so I am ripe for testing your 
setup.

What are your channel settings for the triggers?

Intuitively, I am thinking of comparing rechannelize always and 
rechannelize on record to test your particular condition.

Have you tested both?  If so, any difference?

--Steve_the_diagnostician


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "joepm.rm" <joe@m...> wrote:
> Just reviewing bits of the manual and appear to be stuck on pages 
26-8!
> 
> XL7, v2.0, using PX7 manual.
> 
> Setup the multichannel arps, tried to record the trigger buttons 
> to "automate your multichannel arpeggiator performance".
> 
> followed the instructions, but it's not working.
> 
> Have set triggers to seq, tracks 1-3 are set to channels 1-3 and 
> different arp presets.  with rechannelize on though, the triggers 
> only use the track in the display.  with it off, things work until 
i 
> try to record, at which point it sounds fine but either nothing 
gets 
> recorded or only one of the tracks intermittantly (as if triggering 
> the other tracks is cutting it off)
> 
> is there a known problem with this?
> 
> I've read in the tips and tricks:
> To record into the internal sequencer, set the TRIGGERS destination 
to

> be "seq" instead of "int" or "ext" This way, the triggers will be
> routed to the sequencer, which will then decide where to route it 
> based on the track settings (provided you have rechannelize on).
> 
> but it does no good.

T1 Trigger, Ch 01A
T2 Trigger, Ch 02A
T3 Trigger, Ch 03A
all are set to seq

with rechannelise always, i only get one arp (the one in the display) 
over all three triggers.

with on record, the arps sound right until i try and record them, 
after which i think (not at XL7 at moment) i get the one arp playing 
sporadically (sounds as if it gets cut off as the other triggers are 
played)

 
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> A year ago or so, I got into using Trigger Notes (latched) to turn 
> arps on/off for developing a possible performance modality. I 
forgot 
> entirely what I did, but I do notice that the trigger notes setup 
> allows you to set the channel to Basic, C01A -> C16B (as well as to 
> various destinations). 
> 
> Over the past few days, I have been wanting to set up my E-Mu so I 
> can play tracks and triggers as arps, so I am ripe for testing your 
> setup.
> 
> What are your channel settings for the triggers?
> 
> Intuitively, I am thinking of comparing rechannelize always and 
> rechannelize on record to test your particular condition.
> 
> Have you tested both?  If so, any difference?
> 
> --Steve_the_diagnostician
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "joepm.rm" <joe@m...> wrote:
> > Just reviewing bits of the manual and appear to be stuck on pages 
> 26-8!
> > 
> > XL7, v2.0, using PX7 manual.
> > 
> > Setup the multichannel arps, tried to record the trigger buttons 
> > to "automate your multichannel arpeggiator performance".
> > 
> > followed the instructions, but it's not working.
> > 
> > Have set triggers to seq, tracks 1-3 are set to channels 1-3 and 
> > different arp presets.  with rechannelize on though, the triggers 
> > only use the track in the display.  with it off, things work 
until 
> i 
> > try to record, at which point it sounds fine but either nothing 
> gets 
> > recorded or only one of the tracks intermittantly (as if 
triggering 
> > the other tracks is cutting it off)
> > 
> > is there a known problem with this?
> > 
> > I've read in the tips and tricks:
> > To record into the internal sequencer, set the TRIGGERS 
destination 

> to
> > be "seq" instead of "int" or "ext" This way, the triggers will be
> > routed to the sequencer, which will then decide where to route it 
> > based on the track settings (provided you have rechannelize on).
> > 
> > but it does no good.

Again, you can only record one track at a time.  If you want to record
three different channels of arps, you must record into a MultiA (or B)
track.  Second to last screen in the pattern/song edit menus.

With rechannelize on, you're getting all three triggers rechannelized
to the current track.  With it off, you'll only hear the
rechannelization on playback.  Leaving rechannelize all the time is
recommended since you'll always hear the same thing as when you play
back.  If it's wrong with rechannelize on, it'll be wrong at playback.

-Aaron

--- "joepm.rm" <joe@...> wrote:

> T1 Trigger, Ch 01A
> T2 Trigger, Ch 02A
> T3 Trigger, Ch 03A
> all are set to seq
> 
> with rechannelise always, i only get one arp (the one in the display)
> 
> over all three triggers.
> 
> with on record, the arps sound right until i try and record them, 
> after which i think (not at XL7 at moment) i get the one arp playing 
> sporadically (sounds as if it gets cut off as the other triggers are 
> played)


	
		
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It would seem that the only thing you need to do differently is to 
use Multi-A [CHANNEL ASSIGN] when you record the track with the multi-
channelled arp triggers [with rechannelize always on].

Thanks for raising the issue.  It ties in with a performance modality 
I have been developing.  In fact, I learned today that I can have the 
following live setup (for example):

Triggers 1 -> 3 start/stop beats groups 1 -> 3
Trigger 4 start group 4 [unlatched]
Trigger 7 mute/unmute all active beats
Trigger 8 stop all beats
Triggers 9 -> 12 internal arps, bpm, and other sounds
Triggers 13 -> 16 external arps, bpm, and other sounds

and still switch back to my track mutes for pattern looping!

Thanks for the reminders on rechannelize and track recording, Aaron.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Again, you can only record one track at a time.  If you want to
> record three different channels of arps, you must record into a
> MultiA (or B) track.  Second to last screen in the pattern/song
> edit menus.

[snip]

> -Aaron
> 
> --- "joepm.rm" <joe@m...> wrote:
> 
> > T1 Trigger, Ch 01A
> > T2 Trigger, Ch 02A
> > T3 Trigger, Ch 03A
> > all are set to seq
> > 
> > with rechannelise always, i only get one arp (the one in the
> > display)
> > 
> > over all three triggers.
> > 
> > with on record, the arps sound right until i try and record them, 
> > after which i think (not at XL7 at moment) i get the one arp
> > playing sporadically (sounds as if it gets cut off as the other
> > triggers are 
> > played)

Cheers Aaron (and Steve), I'll try it tonight when i get home.  

Even though i thought i did have it recording into a multi A track, i 
seem to of somehow forgotten the old "recording one-track at a time" 
so i am sure that is the flaw in my thinking.




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Again, you can only record one track at a time.  If you want to 
record
> three different channels of arps, you must record into a MultiA (or 
B)
> track.  Second to last screen in the pattern/song edit menus.
> 
> With rechannelize on, you're getting all three triggers 
rechannelized
> to the current track.  With it off, you'll only hear the
> rechannelization on playback.  Leaving rechannelize all the time is
> recommended since you'll always hear the same thing as when you play
> back.  If it's wrong with rechannelize on, it'll be wrong at 
playback.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> --- "joepm.rm" <joe@m...> wrote:
> 
> > T1 Trigger, Ch 01A
> > T2 Trigger, Ch 02A
> > T3 Trigger, Ch 03A
> > all are set to seq
> > 
> > with rechannelise always, i only get one arp (the one in the 
display)
> > 
> > over all three triggers.
> > 
> > with on record, the arps sound right until i try and record them, 
> > after which i think (not at XL7 at moment) i get the one arp 
playing 
> > sporadically (sounds as if it gets cut off as the other triggers 
are 

> > played)
> 
> 
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Hope thatfixes it for you!

I keep forgetting that after I muck up my first take of a track and 
revert to a saved version that has the track name, length, etc. 
stored, the channel assign loses the MultiA [or B] and Destination 
settings because there's no data [multitrack or otherwise] on the 
track.

--Steve 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "joepm.rm" <joe@m...> wrote:

> Cheers Aaron (and Steve), I'll try it tonight when i get home.  
> 
> Even though i thought i did have it recording into a multi A track,
> i seem to of somehow forgotten the old "recording one-track at a
> time"  so i am sure that is the flaw in my thinking.
>

Hey Joe,

  Where ya going w/ that arp in your hand? ;)

  I would like to hear the command station do the "machine gun" 
multi arp thang.

  Seriously,  I would like to hear the mp3 w/ you finish.

  I will try doing a multi arp freak out this weekend.  

thanks for the post...

Good point to make.  I'd recommend two things: first, before you save a
pattern with a new track, throw a quick volume message on the track
(step edit tick 0, wiggle volume knob) so you won't lose your settings.
 Second, and more importantly, try using the "erase track" button
shortcut when you mess up a take.  Simply press Erase+TrackButton to
delete the events on a track.  You can even do it while recording (I
use it instead of replace record).

-Aaron

--- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:

> I keep forgetting that after I muck up my first take of a track and 
> revert to a saved version that has the track name, length, etc. 
> stored, the channel assign loses the MultiA [or B] and Destination 
> settings because there's no data [multitrack or otherwise] on the 
> track.


		
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Excellent suggestions.  I have avoided erase track for some reason.  
(Is it an instant erase without a second query?)  Also, I seem to 
recall that I would need data on two channels to avoid losing the 
MultiA/B assignment when saving the pattern.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Good point to make.  I'd recommend two things: first, before you
> save a pattern with a new track, throw a quick volume message on
> the track (step edit tick 0, wiggle volume knob) so you won't lose
> your settings.

  Second, and more importantly, try using the "erase track" button
> shortcut when you mess up a take.  Simply press Erase+TrackButton to
> delete the events on a track.  You can even do it while recording (I
> use it instead of replace record).
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> --- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> 
> > I keep forgetting that after I muck up my first take of a track 
and 
> > revert to a saved version that has the track name, length, etc. 
> > stored, the channel assign loses the MultiA [or B] and 
Destination 

> > settings because there's no data [multitrack or otherwise] on the 
> > track.
> 
> 
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Right i've got it working, but i'm not sure whether this matches the 
explanation i've been given!!

triggers 1-3 set to ch1-3 and seq.
ch1-3 set to three different arps
channel assign for track 1 set to multi A, int
(in the midi menu) rechannelize input set to off

now it works on play and record, track one has three different 
channels of different arps. (or should i say three note events on dif 
channels playing arps, assuming all i've done is pressed each trigger 
once!)

if rechannelize input is set to always, then all that gets played and 
recorded are three note events on the basic channel - that is, 
whichever is in the display.  

(i've checked this in the event list)

slightly concerned that my command station is working back-to-front 
regarding the "rechannelize input" function



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Again, you can only record one track at a time.  If you want to 
record
> three different channels of arps, you must record into a MultiA (or 
B)
> track.  Second to last screen in the pattern/song edit menus.
> 
> With rechannelize on, you're getting all three triggers 
rechannelized
> to the current track.  With it off, you'll only hear the
> rechannelization on playback.  Leaving rechannelize all the time is
> recommended since you'll always hear the same thing as when you play
> back.  If it's wrong with rechannelize on, it'll be wrong at 
playback.

> 
> -Aaron
>

Yep, one press and BAM, your track is gone :)  I use this one all the 
time...

rEalm



(Is it an instant erase without a second query?)






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