Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Guys and gals,

I'm thinking seriously of exercising this function to ask the silent 
members to tell us their level of interest so that we can get some 
indication of how strong we really are. The email will go to 
everyone, not just the silent people, so it will be a bit redundant. 
I guess the replies will go directly to me, unless I request that 
they be posts to the site, which would be a bit of an imposition to 
those who prefer to remain in the shadows. Feedback?

The email obviously won't go to those who opted not to receive any 
emails of any kind. We'll have to post the message on the site proper 
for them. I suggest that this message also encourage those who just 
browse to join us. Sometimes the act of joining alone will be enough 
to get someone who might not otherwise participate to take the 
plunge. But, of course, members don't have to post if they don't want 
to, though it's awfully rewarding.

Ed

Ed wrote: "...I guess the replies will go directly to me..."

Nah.  The recipient will get the Special Notice message in the same 
manner they do a regular e-mail from the group.  Replies will go to 
the group, not you, unless someone wants to take the EXTRA step of 
replying directly to you.

Wouldn't hurt to direct them to post their response to the group, 
though.

I'm interested!  Keep me on!

Stephanie

> I captured the members email listings and inserted them into an Excel
>  spreadsheet and I can keep tract and log all who responsed.
> Congradulation, Stephanie is the first to respond.

Where is my prize?

Stephanie

Ed/Vern:

I captured the members email listings and inserted them into an Excel
spreadsheet and I can keep tract and log all who responsed. Congradulation,
Stephanie is the first to respond.

OGD



> I'm interested!   Keep me on!
> 
> Stephanie
> 
> 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> Ed/Vern:
> 
> I captured the members email listings and inserted them into an 
Excel
> spreadsheet and I can keep tract and log all who responsed. 
Congradulation,
> Stephanie is the first to respond.

OGD,

WOW. Steph is quick (and hardly a silent partner; her posts carry a 
high-insight quotient). I haven't even composed the email yet. So 
you're okay with the plan? Responses will come to me at Yahoo, and 
I'll send them over to you one way or another to enter onto the 
spreadsheet? Is there a more efficient method of obtaining replies?

Ed

Stephanie,

I am just the number cruncher, recording the votes. I think Vern's in charge
of the prize patrol. (Vern???)

OGD

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Stephanie Ellison [SMTP:deafdrummer@...]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:38 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Special Notice
> 
> > I captured the members email listings and inserted them into an Excel
> >   spreadsheet and I can keep tract and log all who responsed.
> > Congradulation, Stephanie is the first to respond.
> 
> Where is my prize?
> 
> Stephanie
> 
> 
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I seem to have missed something- what are we voting on and how do we vote?
I want to vote!

-----Original Message-----
From: rdamon@... [mailto:rdamon@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:52 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DTXpress] Special Notice


Stephanie,

I am just the number cruncher, recording the votes. I think Vern's in charge
of the prize patrol. (Vern???)

OGD

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Stephanie Ellison [SMTP:deafdrummer@...]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:38 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Special Notice
>
> > I captured the members email listings and inserted them into an Excel
> >   spreadsheet and I can keep tract and log all who responsed.
> > Congradulation, Stephanie is the first to respond.
>
> Where is my prize?
>
> Stephanie
>
>
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> I am just the number cruncher, recording the votes. I think Vern's in
> charge of the prize patrol. (Vern???)

Vern, where are you?  (searching very hard)

Stephanie

> Ed wrote: "Is there a more efficient method of obtaining replies?"
> 
> Send emails to me directly,if that will make it easier.
> 
> 
> Notice to all, due to possible privicy concerns, the spreadsheet that I am
> creating will only be accessible by me and will only be used to determine
> the quantity of current active members of this group so that we, the
> moderators, can verify the list of members that no longer come here. I
> will not give out this list to anybody, period!!!, unless I leave the
> group, at which point I will forward it the group owner only, if he/she
> wants it. 
> 
> I hope that will alleviate any fears or concerns about me creating a
> membership.
> 
> Now, please I encourage everyone to just this one time responsed to the
> Special Notice that Ed will be sending out.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> OGD
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > Send emails to me directly,if that will make it easier.

OGD,

That would make it easier, but are you sure that you want me to 
broadcast your primary address to everyone out there? At least mine 
is a secondary Yahoo address, which permits some control.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" <creighton@l...> 
wrote:
> I seem to have missed something- what are we voting on and how do 
we vote?
> I want to vote!

Hi Creighton,

I'm going to send out a universal letter to everyone who is at least 
nominally a member of this group and has opted to receive its emails. 
It will really be an appeal to silent members for a response about 
their level of commitment so that we can determine, to the best of 
our ability, just how many of the 733 members have at least some 
interest in the group, whether they post or not. This information may 
prove valuable in future endeavors or in future attempts to protect 
the membership from unwanted intrusions (spam, porn, advertising, 
etc.).

At any rate, the letter is not directed at people like you, even 
though you'll receive it. We'd just love to hear from those whose 
names we don't immediately recognize or those who once participated 
but have since stopped posting. 

Ed

Ed wrote: " you want me to broadcast your primary address to everyone out
there? At least mine 
> is a secondary Yahoo address, which permits some control.
> 
Good Point since we haven't weeded out the bad apples from the good apples
and/or gone to a restricted membership. If we knew for certain that all of
the current members on the list were checked out and OK, I have no problem
with them having my email address, but since there are still some
questionable names on the list, I had better rethink this. 



> Ed
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> I had better rethink this.
> 

OGD,

Okay, I'll wait to hear from you before I send anything. Meanwhile 
I'll start composing the letter. Another thing to think about is how 
to deal with members who have been bouncing for a long time. Do we 
waste our time sending the Special Notice to them, or do we cut our 
ties with them now to make the numbers crunching that much easier? If 
they want to come back later, fine, but right now, they aren't 
getting, or reading, their group posts.

Ed

rdamon@... said:
> Stephanie,
>
> I am just the number cruncher, recording the votes. I think Vern's in
> charge
> of the prize patrol. (Vern???)
>
> OGD

<spongebob>Tarter Sauce!</spongebob>

Sorry, I don't have any prizes. :(  Hmmm... quite a few posts are ending
in "... Vern???" now... How did *I* get to be the go-to guy all of a
sudden??? :)

Vern (or should I say... Vern???)

:D

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rdamon@... said:
>> Notice to all, due to possible privicy concerns, the spreadsheet that I
>> am creating will only be accessible by me and will only be used to
>> determine the quantity of current active members of this group so
>> that we, the moderators, can verify the list of members that no
>> longer come here. I  will not give out this list to anybody, period!!!


uh oh. I guess I shouldn't have sent the list to "Anatomy Enlargement Low
Cost Mortgage Barnyard Love Online Diplomas Displaced Rich Nigerian
Officials Generic Viagra Inc." then.... :D

Vern

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Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG

Ed wrote: "...Another thing to think about is how to deal with 
members who have been bouncing for a long time. Do we waste our time 
sending the Special Notice to them..."

If they're "bouncing" they can't get ANY e-mail from the group, Ed.  
Don't worry about them.

If need be, I can create a "disposable" email account on the
dtxpressions.com domain... Something like:

yahoogroup@...

and then redirect it to whoever wants it. That way their address can
remain hidden. I can then kill the account to keep future mail from
flooding their inbox. Lots of options there. :)

Vern

PS: It's good to own an ISP sometimes... :)

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liberatusvirus said:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
>> I had better rethink this.
>>
>
> OGD,
>
> Okay, I'll wait to hear from you before I send anything. Meanwhile
> I'll start composing the letter. Another thing to think about is how
> to deal with members who have been bouncing for a long time. Do we
> waste our time sending the Special Notice to them, or do we cut our
> ties with them now to make the numbers crunching that much easier? If
> they want to come back later, fine, but right now, they aren't
> getting, or reading, their group posts.
>
> Ed
>
>
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumzilla" <bukama@n...> wrote:
> Ed wrote: "...Another thing to think about is how to deal with 
>> If they're "bouncing" they can't get ANY e-mail from the group,  
> Don't worry about them.

Zilla,

We're starting a spread sheet to track our interested members. If we 
can lop the bouncers off the sheet now, we don't have to wade through 
their names in the process.

Ed

"Anatomy Enlargement Low
Cost Mortgage Barnyard Love Online Diplomas Displaced Rich Nigerian
Officials Generic Viagra Inc." then.... :D

Vern(????)
Stop it. 
You cracking me up, mon!

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote:
> If need be, I can create a "disposable" email account on the
> dtxpressions.com domain... Something like:

Vern,

Let's create the disposable email and use it as the return address on 
the special notice so that poor OGD can access it for his spreadsheet.

Ed

> Vern/Ed wrote:
> "Let's create the disposable email and use it as the return address on 
> the special notice so that poor OGD can access it for his spreadsheet."
> 
 Sorry, for the delayed response back, had to go and do my Electrical
Engineering thing and meet with an Architect type on a new church project,
since that's what gives me the $$$$ to buy the mega set in the first place.
> 
The disposible email sounds like the way to go. An automatic forward to me
would work great. Vern, use my email address listed in the membership list.

Thanks,

OGD
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:41:49 -0000, liberatusvirus wrote:
>\ufffdGuys and gals,
>\ufffd
>\ufffdI'm thinking seriously of exercising this function to ask the silent
>\ufffdmembers to tell us their level of interest so that we can get some
>\ufffdindication of how strong we really are. The email will go to
>\ufffdeveryone, not just the silent people, so it will be a bit redundant.
>\ufffdI guess the replies will go directly to me, unless I request that
>\ufffdthey be posts to the site, which would be a bit of an imposition to
>\ufffdthose who prefer to remain in the shadows. Feedback?

Present and accounted for, sir!

Matt

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky <ccsuser@m...> wrote:
> Present and accounted for, sir!

Matt (and everyone),

Do you think the special notice is a good idea? We really would like 
to explore a deeper relationship with Yamaha, and it's not 
inconceivable that our collective power would also appeal to any 
number of related companies and interests. The more people we can 
count as committed members, even if posting is not everyone's cup of 
tea, the better our chances of having some clout. Numbers talk.

Ed

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:35:01 -0000, liberatusvirus wrote:
>\ufffdMatt (and everyone), 
>\ufffd
>\ufffdDo you think the special notice is a good idea? We really would like 
>\ufffdto explore a deeper relationship with Yamaha, and it's not 
>\ufffdinconceivable that our collective power would also appeal to any 
>\ufffdnumber of related companies and interests. The more people we can 
>\ufffdcount as committed members, even if posting is not everyone's cup of 
>\ufffdtea, the better our chances of having some clout. Numbers talk.

Well I'm a DTXtreme module owner (with Hart MegaPro drums), but I still
have an interest in DTX and DTX2 components. That's why I don't post
more -- usually only on more general topics I can add to.

But I am a Yamaha owner and I'm in this for the long haul. It certainly
can't hurt having a collection of Yamaha users all in one place when it
comes to getting Yamaha's attention.

Matt

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky <ccsuser@m...> wrote:
> Well I'm a DTXtreme module owner (with Hart MegaPro drums), 

Matt,

I remember that we exchanged a few posts on the Hart/Yamaha 
interaction. You were on the positive side; Walt, me, and a few other 
scattered drummers had more trouble. I'd also like to explore this 
subject more in the future (ars longa vita brevis).

Ed

I would like to remain on this list.
I own a DTX2.0 and upgraded the brain to the DTXTREME but I enjoy 
reading all things about Yamaha E-DRUMS whether they relate to my 
setup or not as the DTX and DTXTREME groups are rather dead compared 
to this one.
Keep up the good work folks!


Mark



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Guys and gals,
> 
> I'm thinking seriously of exercising this function to ask the 
silent 
> members to tell us their level of interest so that we can get some 
> indication of how strong we really are. The email will go to 
> everyone, not just the silent people, so it will be a bit 
redundant. 
> I guess the replies will go directly to me, unless I request that 
> they be posts to the site, which would be a bit of an imposition 
to 
> those who prefer to remain in the shadows. Feedback?
> 
> The email obviously won't go to those who opted not to receive any 
> emails of any kind. We'll have to post the message on the site 
proper 
> for them. I suggest that this message also encourage those who 
just 
> browse to join us. Sometimes the act of joining alone will be 
enough 
> to get someone who might not otherwise participate to take the 
> plunge. But, of course, members don't have to post if they don't 
want 

> to, though it's awfully rewarding.
> 
> Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mgk66219" <machinegunkelley@h...> 
wrote:
> I would like to remain on this list.
> I own a DTX2.0 and upgraded the brain to the DTXTREME but I enjoy 
> reading all things about Yamaha E-DRUMS whether they relate to my 
> setup or not as the DTX and DTXTREME groups are rather dead 
compared 
> to this one.
> Keep up the good work folks!

Thanks, Mark. The DTX pads are certainly in the same family as the 
Xpress ones, and the Xtreme module comes up as a topic from time to 
time as well. I, for one, have been waiting for the next iteration, 
which was expected this summer. Now it looks like we'll have to wait 
for winter, unless Yamaha works out the kinks and decides to release 
it sooner.

Ed

It will be interesting to see what Yamaha has in store for us with 
this new unit. I have heard some rumors that it will have the Motif 
chip in it which if true should make for an interesting unit with 
some neat capabilities.
I have used my setup for live gigs several time since I have owned 
them and must say they work out pretty nice in a live situation, 
really couldn't ask for much more but I will give the new brain a 
hard look when it comes out.

I really appreciate these groups, I remember when I first bought the 
DTX I searched and searched the net for information about the unit 
and really couldn't find much of anything except for the VDRUMS 
site. I remember leaving a message over there and all I got in reply 
was allot of sarcasm. I since found these groups which are a 
pleasure to read, you find help here not people flaming others for 
asking a question that might have been answered 10 months ago.
Any way I love playing the Yamaha drums, my only wish is that they 
would promote them allot more then they do and maybe have a web site 
like they have for the Motif line, that would really be nice.


Mark




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mgk66219" 
<machinegunkelley@h...> 
> wrote:
> > I would like to remain on this list.
> > I own a DTX2.0 and upgraded the brain to the DTXTREME but I 
enjoy 
> > reading all things about Yamaha E-DRUMS whether they relate to 
my 
> > setup or not as the DTX and DTXTREME groups are rather dead 
> compared 
> > to this one.
> > Keep up the good work folks!
> 
> Thanks, Mark. The DTX pads are certainly in the same family as the 
> Xpress ones, and the Xtreme module comes up as a topic from time 
to 
> time as well. I, for one, have been waiting for the next 
iteration, 
> which was expected this summer. Now it looks like we'll have to 
wait 
> for winter, unless Yamaha works out the kinks and decides to 
release 

> it sooner.
> 
> Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mgk66219" <machinegunkelley@h...> 
wrote:
> It will be interesting to see what Yamaha has in store for us with 
> this new unit. I have heard some rumors that it will have the Motif 
> chip in it which if true should make for an interesting unit with 
> some neat capabilities.

I've heard that it will indeed have sampling capabilities and that 
the holdup to this point has been because of a licensing snag. Yamaha 
apparently wants this product to enter the market with a bang--no 
bugs or unfinished business.

> Any way I love playing the Yamaha drums, my only wish is that they 
> would promote them allot more then they do and maybe have a web 
site 
> like they have for the Motif line, that would really be nice.

Someday we hope to have enough force as a collective entity to 
establish some sort of elevated relationship with the company, so 
that our concerns are taken seriously. In order to do so, we'll need 
a large, fairly committed membership that is not only informed but 
also strongly consumer oriented. Yamaha already is a much more 
accessible player than Roland is. We've gotten fairly deep into e-
drum management already on occasion; they are aware of us. The 
potential is there for a mutually beneficial relationship. By the 
way, the vdrums forum seems to have relaxed its unilateral disdain 
for Yamaha products. There's been a certain amount of infiltration of 
Yamaha products and users there. But Roland users are a loyal bunch, 
and their products are the industry standard, if only for their 
abundance. But for all their loyalty, you won't find bigger critics 
of Roland than Roland users. For one thing, they cost way too much.

Ed

> -----Original Message-----
Ed wrote: By the way, the vdrums forum seems to have relaxed its unilateral
disdain 
> for Yamaha products" 
> 
From recent postings over there in the last few months, it almost seems like
it should be renamed to the www.v-hartdynamic-drums.com web site 8 ). 

The one thing that I did not enjoy about the vdrums site was the constant
personality attacks and bickering that was going on between key members of
that group. That does not exist here, which is why I thoughly enjoy being
here.

OldGuyDrummer





 
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OGD wrote: "...The one thing that I did not enjoy about the vdrums 
site was the constant personality attacks and bickering that was 
going on between key members of that group..."

That crap will disappear the moment the moderator/owner steps in & 
requires members to conduct their selves properly.  

I, too, abhor all the bickering, name calling, flaming, & rampant 
vulgarity that is so prevalent in MANY drum forums.  That stuff just 
lends credence to the stereotype of musicians in general, and 
drummers in particular, as immature, knuckle-dragging morons.  I know 
I'm not the only one here who has dropped out of many a group because 
it got just plain mean, rude, nasty...and useless.

THIS group has class, and now it has active moderators who actually 
care about content & serving the members.  Nice job, people!

Lets hope they get their problems worked out soon so we can see what 
this new system will bring us.

I have never understood the reason that Roland products are pushed 
in music stores and Yamahas are thrown to the side, I am sure its 
money related whether in profit margins that the store makes or 
maybe its some kind of salesmen incentive that Roland offers to the 
stores sales force. Either way Yamaha needs to figure a way to 
correct this.

Yes a good user base is essential in the continued success of these 
drums as I mentioned before when I first bought these and looked 
around the net for information and all I could really find was 
VDRUMS and DDRUMS sites It made me wonder if I had made the right 
decision in buying Yamaha, seeing all the user support for those 
systems made me feel like I was on my own with the DTX until I found 
these groups.

Good to hear the VDRUM users have become more tolerant of Yamaha 
users since we all really have the same goals in mind, it makes 
sense to help each other out.


Mark


  


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mgk66219" 
<machinegunkelley@h...> 
> wrote:
> > It will be interesting to see what Yamaha has in store for us 
with 
> > this new unit. I have heard some rumors that it will have the 
Motif 
> > chip in it which if true should make for an interesting unit 
with 
> > some neat capabilities.
> 
> I've heard that it will indeed have sampling capabilities and that 
> the holdup to this point has been because of a licensing snag. 
Yamaha 
> apparently wants this product to enter the market with a bang--no 
> bugs or unfinished business.
> 
> > Any way I love playing the Yamaha drums, my only wish is that 
they 
> > would promote them allot more then they do and maybe have a web 
> site 
> > like they have for the Motif line, that would really be nice.
> 
> Someday we hope to have enough force as a collective entity to 
> establish some sort of elevated relationship with the company, so 
> that our concerns are taken seriously. In order to do so, we'll 
need 
> a large, fairly committed membership that is not only informed but 
> also strongly consumer oriented. Yamaha already is a much more 
> accessible player than Roland is. We've gotten fairly deep into e-
> drum management already on occasion; they are aware of us. The 
> potential is there for a mutually beneficial relationship. By the 
> way, the vdrums forum seems to have relaxed its unilateral disdain 
> for Yamaha products. There's been a certain amount of infiltration 
of 
> Yamaha products and users there. But Roland users are a loyal 
bunch, 
> and their products are the industry standard, if only for their 
> abundance. But for all their loyalty, you won't find bigger 
critics 

> of Roland than Roland users. For one thing, they cost way too much.
> 
> Ed

Very refreshing to see groups behave in adult fashion!
Which says allot for it user base


 Mark





--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumzilla" <bukama@n...> wrote:
> OGD wrote: "...The one thing that I did not enjoy about the vdrums 
> site was the constant personality attacks and bickering that was 
> going on between key members of that group..."
> 
> That crap will disappear the moment the moderator/owner steps in & 
> requires members to conduct their selves properly.  
> 
> I, too, abhor all the bickering, name calling, flaming, & rampant 
> vulgarity that is so prevalent in MANY drum forums.  That stuff 
just 
> lends credence to the stereotype of musicians in general, and 
> drummers in particular, as immature, knuckle-dragging morons.  I 
know 
> I'm not the only one here who has dropped out of many a group 
because 
> it got just plain mean, rude, nasty...and useless.
> 
> THIS group has class, and now it has active moderators who 
actually 
> care about content & serving the members.  Nice job, people!

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mgk66219" <machinegunkelley@h...> 
wrote:

> I have never understood the reason that Roland products are pushed 
> in music stores and Yamahas are thrown to the side, I am sure its 
> money related whether in profit margins that the store makes or 
> maybe its some kind of salesmen incentive that Roland offers to the 
> stores sales force. Either way Yamaha needs to figure a way to 
> correct this.

Frankly, Roland owns the market. If a company has lots of products to 
offer, and these product lines sell, then the store will feature this 
company's products. It's a self-validating cycle, especially from a 
comparative standpoint; no one is remotely poised to challenge 
Roland's dominance. They market well, they mass-produce to back up 
the hype, and for the most part, the stuff is good. Pintech and Hart 
don't count in an economy of scale. Yamaha's predicament speaks for 
itself. First, they drop the mid-level product (DTX), and then the 
high end (DTXtreme). Granted, the Xtreme was due for an overhaul. 
Roland's patent on woven-head technology put Yamaha at a distinct 
disadvantage, and the electronics were getting old in the tooth. I 
firmly believe, however, that if the DTXpress were not doing so well, 
Yamaha would have a greater incentive to develop more products, or at 
least develop them more quickly. Too bad, really. I think that Yamaha 
is in the best position to manufacture a genuinely advanced module. 
What other electonics company has such a range of acoustic 
instruments to sample? Their only inherent weakness, to my mind,  
revolves around the e-cymbal samples that they offer--too few good 
ones. I'm hoping that the licensing problem that they're having with 
the new module concerns rights to use Ziidjian, Sabian, etc.

> Good to hear the VDRUM users have become more tolerant of Yamaha 
> users since we all really have the same goals in mind, it makes 
> sense to help each other out.

When word got out that the Xtreme was discontinued, many on the 
vdrums forum couldn't wait to take advantage of the discount. At the 
same time, as if to justify their new-found interest, the comments 
about Yamaha started to improve as well. It's amazing what a lower 
price can do to the perceived quality of a rival product.

Ed

Ed wrote: "When word got out that the Xtreme was discontinued, many on the 
> vdrums forum couldn't wait to take advantage of the discount. At the 
> same time, as if to justify their new-found interest, the comments 
> about Yamaha started to improve as well. It's amazing what a lower 
> price can do to the perceived quality of a rival product."
> 
I think it also reflected the general frustration by the vdrum members that
nothing new and innovative has come out of Roland at the high end to replace
the TD-10w/twd1 in 6 years (the phantom TD-12). Had Yamaha come to market at
Summer NAMM with a replacement high-end module with more bells and whistle,
some (many) Roland  owners would have jump ship and got on the Yamaha band
wagon.

Clearly sampling, more realistic hi-hat, greater storage capacity and better
computer interface built-into a module is long overdue.

OldGuyDrummer

 
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Yeah a shame really lets hope things change for the better.
Yeah I am sure with the products they have to work with they could 
put out some products that would really kick butt. The technology is 
there and the price for memory is dirt cheap these days so there is 
no excuse for not being able to do it.
That's funny because the DTXTREME really got dogged by allot of the 
folks over there when it came out.


 Mark




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mgk66219" 
<machinegunkelley@h...> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have never understood the reason that Roland products are 
pushed 
> > in music stores and Yamahas are thrown to the side, I am sure 
its 
> > money related whether in profit margins that the store makes or 
> > maybe its some kind of salesmen incentive that Roland offers to 
the 
> > stores sales force. Either way Yamaha needs to figure a way to 
> > correct this.
> 
> Frankly, Roland owns the market. If a company has lots of products 
to 
> offer, and these product lines sell, then the store will feature 
this 
> company's products. It's a self-validating cycle, especially from 
a 
> comparative standpoint; no one is remotely poised to challenge 
> Roland's dominance. They market well, they mass-produce to back up 
> the hype, and for the most part, the stuff is good. Pintech and 
Hart 
> don't count in an economy of scale. Yamaha's predicament speaks 
for 
> itself. First, they drop the mid-level product (DTX), and then the 
> high end (DTXtreme). Granted, the Xtreme was due for an overhaul. 
> Roland's patent on woven-head technology put Yamaha at a distinct 
> disadvantage, and the electronics were getting old in the tooth. I 
> firmly believe, however, that if the DTXpress were not doing so 
well, 
> Yamaha would have a greater incentive to develop more products, or 
at 
> least develop them more quickly. Too bad, really. I think that 
Yamaha 
> is in the best position to manufacture a genuinely advanced 
module. 
> What other electonics company has such a range of acoustic 
> instruments to sample? Their only inherent weakness, to my mind,  
> revolves around the e-cymbal samples that they offer--too few good 
> ones. I'm hoping that the licensing problem that they're having 
with 
> the new module concerns rights to use Ziidjian, Sabian, etc.
> 
> > Good to hear the VDRUM users have become more tolerant of Yamaha 
> > users since we all really have the same goals in mind, it makes 
> > sense to help each other out.
> 
> When word got out that the Xtreme was discontinued, many on the 
> vdrums forum couldn't wait to take advantage of the discount. At 
the 

> same time, as if to justify their new-found interest, the comments 
> about Yamaha started to improve as well. It's amazing what a lower 
> price can do to the perceived quality of a rival product.
> 
> Ed