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Sorry more questions!  Which analogue modeled synth would be a good 
compliment to the XL7?  I've seen the Novation K-Station Rack, Access 
Virus module, Clavia G2 Rack, the Waldorf modules and a few others 
advertised.  I've listened to the Virus and the K-Station Rack demo's 
but can't make up my mind yet.  I think the Virus sound cuts through 
more while the K-Station seems to sound richer. 

I'm making Trance and Electronica.  I can only afford one module at 
the moment so unfortunately I have to choose otherwise I'd buy them 
all.  My synth programming knowledge is rudimentary so I'm looking 
for a module that provides really useful tweakable presets.

Well, you could always be cheap like me and buy lots of little groove 
boxes. I have a Korg EA1, ER1 and Yamaha DX200 and they all sound 
great with my XL7 - dueling basslines from the EA1 and the XL, panned 
off center - deep, deep deep! What I did was go to the store and try 
out the boxes together, that convinced me. A good music store will 
let you do this.
Dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "rayisfab" <rayisfab@h...> wrote:
> Sorry more questions!  Which analogue modeled synth would be a good 
> compliment to the XL7?  I've seen the Novation K-Station Rack, 
Access 
> Virus module, Clavia G2 Rack, the Waldorf modules and a few others 
> advertised.  I've listened to the Virus and the K-Station Rack 
demo's 
> but can't make up my mind yet.  I think the Virus sound cuts 
through 

> more while the K-Station seems to sound richer. 
> 
> I'm making Trance and Electronica.  I can only afford one module at 
> the moment so unfortunately I have to choose otherwise I'd buy them 
> all.  My synth programming knowledge is rudimentary so I'm looking 
> for a module that provides really useful tweakable presets.

I'm still waiting for my XL-7 to arrive, but I can put in a good word 
for the Access Virus - and I'm sure rEalm will back me up on that.

The Novation stuff has a very nice sound and the Waldorf gear is very 
versatile, but I think the Virus and its phenomenal filters does the 
best job of nailing the rawness of analog and would therefore be a 
better match for the warm digital samples of the E-mus. Unless 
there's a must-have feature that would be a dealbreaker for you it 
really comes down to personal preference though.

I also vote for the Virus.  I love my Virus KC, but I don't have a 
bad word to say about any of the synths you named.  They all sound 
great so, it's largely a matter of personal taste.  

If this is your first analogue modeling synth, you may want to try 
something less expensive first to see if you really like programming 
your own sounds.  Some people find that they are happier using a ROM 
based module (like the XL-7) or a sampler.  Not everyone loves to 
program.  

Of course, even if you find that programming is not for you, the 
Virus C comes with 1024 presets and there are at least that many more 
available, for free, through the Access web site.

Biomech

i'd say the clavia nord rack, IMHO. i have the nord modular, which 
is an intense programming box, but even it's presets kick ass. 
the nord lead rack has the same sound architecture. 

with the synths you listed, you really can't go wrong with any of 
them. pick whichever one you think looks the coolest! or 
whichever you can get the cheapest. i want a Virus because of its 
sex appeal, but the gear-acquisition madness has to end 
somewhere...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "rayisfab" <rayisfab@h...> wrote:
> Sorry more questions!  Which analogue modeled synth would 
be a good 
> compliment to the XL7?  I've seen the Novation K-Station Rack, 
Access 
> Virus module, Clavia G2 Rack, the Waldorf modules and a few 
others 
> advertised.  I've listened to the Virus and the K-Station Rack 
demo's 
> but can't make up my mind yet.  I think the Virus sound cuts 
through 
> more while the K-Station seems to sound richer. 
> 
> I'm making Trance and Electronica.  I can only afford one 
module at 
> the moment so unfortunately I have to choose otherwise I'd buy 
them 
> all.  My synth programming knowledge is rudimentary so I'm 
looking 
> for a module that provides really useful tweakable presets.

> i have the nord modular, which 
> is an intense programming box, but even it's presets kick ass. 
> the nord lead rack has the same sound architecture. 

The Nord Modular and Nord Lead/Rack have completely different
architectures. (One could argue that the Modular doesn't have a fixed
architecture at all.)

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

my mistake - thanks for pointing it out. i should have said that 
they use the same DSP analog-emulation algorithms. unless 
that's incorrect - anyone know - or care? : )   the oscillators and 
filters of the two synths sure sound like they're using the same 
algorithms.

or maybe all those filter sweeps are just starting to blend into 
one...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Nick Rothwell <nick@c...> wrote:
> > i have the nord modular, which 
> > is an intense programming box, but even it's presets kick 
ass. 
> > the nord lead rack has the same sound architecture. 
> 
> The Nord Modular and Nord Lead/Rack have completely 
different
> architectures. (One could argue that the Modular doesn't have 
a fixed
> architecture at all.)
> 
> -- 
> 
>   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
http://www.cassiel.com

There are lead patches and modules for the modular same but different
IMHO
 
Later
Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: wildstar_1701 [mailto:wildstar76@...] 
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:59 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Which Analogue Modeled Synth?
 
my mistake - thanks for pointing it out. i should have said that 
they use the same DSP analog-emulation algorithms. unless 
that's incorrect - anyone know - or care? : )   the oscillators and 
filters of the two synths sure sound like they're using the same 
algorithms.

or maybe all those filter sweeps are just starting to blend into 
one...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Nick Rothwell <nick@c...> wrote:
> > i have the nord modular, which 
> > is an intense programming box, but even it's presets kick 
ass. 
> > the nord lead rack has the same sound architecture. 
> 
> The Nord Modular and Nord Lead/Rack have completely 
different
> architectures. (One could argue that the Modular doesn't have 
a fixed
> architecture at all.)
> 
> -- 
> 
>   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
http://www.cassiel.com





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My setup complete with Nord Modular, Access Virus,
Waldorf Micro Q, Arp Solus, Yamaha CS01 and others
machines.

Believe me that the perfect setup for me is:

Access Virus
Nord Modular
Waldorf MicroQ

With that 3 machines you don\ufffdt need more !
--- dwoodaman <dwoodaman@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Well, you could always be cheap like me and buy lots
of little groove 
boxes. I have a Korg EA1, ER1 and Yamaha DX200 and
they all sound 
great with my XL7 - dueling basslines from the EA1 and
the XL, panned 
off center - deep, deep deep! What I did was go to the
store and try 
out the boxes together, that convinced me. A good
music store will 
let you do this.
Dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "rayisfab" <rayisfab@h...>
wrote:
> Sorry more questions!  Which analogue modeled synth
would be a good 
> compliment to the XL7?  I've seen the Novation
K-Station Rack, 
Access 
> Virus module, Clavia G2 Rack, the Waldorf modules
and a few others 
> advertised.  I've listened to the Virus and the
K-Station Rack 
demo's 
> but can't make up my mind yet.  I think the Virus
sound cuts 
through 
> more while the K-Station seems to sound richer. 
> 
> I'm making Trance and Electronica.  I can only
afford one module at 
> the moment so unfortunately I have to choose
otherwise I'd buy them 
> all.  My synth programming knowledge is rudimentary
so I'm looking 
> for a module that provides really useful tweakable
presets.


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On a similar note, I would hight suggest the Nord Modular.  It has been 
discontinued too, but it's still a great unit!  Check out www.novamusik.com 
they are blowing out brand new Nord Modulars for $949-$999!  I don't work 
with them, I just take adavange of their great deals!  I bought the keyboard 
version and it came with a free gig bag, sweet!

Best,
Nathan
aka Samsa
www.darkwinter.com





>From: Nick Rothwell <nick@...>
>Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Which Analogue Modeled Synth? @aeon
>Date: 25 May 2003 12:55:48 -0000
>
> > you forgot the waldorf microwave xt. it is not really an analogue
> > modeled synth,
>
>It is sort-of; it models the original MicroWave, which itself is a
>rack-mount redesign of the PPG Wave - 8-bit spectral wavetables mixed
>into an analogue resonant filter section and VCA. Personally, I don't
>think the XT sounds as nice as the original MicroWave (which has true
>analogue filters), but the XT has a nice front panel and is easy to
>program.
>
> > the only problem is, that it is discontinued.
>
>It is? Damn. Time to buy one, then.
>
>--
>
>   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 
>http://www.cassiel.com

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I just wanted to second that, I have a Nord Modular KB vers., and it's
great....it can emulate and do more original stuff than anything I have ever
used (even my ex-k2500). It's dropped a large amount in price in the second
market recently, since they announced the discontinuity of software updates
for it, but it dosnt really need anymore.
If buying new though, definately go to Novamusik, in fact, no matter what
synth you buy, look there first, they usually have the best deals worldwide,
not to mention, I live very near there, and the owner is a very cool guy,
who will go out of his way to help anyone sincere out.
Byron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: royal obtuse [mailto:royalobtuse@...]
> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:44 PM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Which Analogue Modeled Synth? @aeon
>
>
> On a similar note, I would hight suggest the Nord Modular.  It has been
> discontinued too, but it's still a great unit!  Check out
> www.novamusik.com
> they are blowing out brand new Nord Modulars for $949-$999!  I don't work
> with them, I just take adavange of their great deals!  I bought
> the keyboard
> version and it came with a free gig bag, sweet!
>
> Best,
> Nathan
> aka Samsa
> www.darkwinter.com
>
>
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On 5/25/03 7:16 AM, "A.Ruesberg"
<alexander_ruesberg@...> wrote:

> are you able to sync the Q rack  step-sequencer to the xl7 ?

I do not know, as I have never tried...my Elektron MD SPS-1 is always the
clock master.

> i have a q keyboard and a big problem when i sync it to the xl7
> i always have a 20msec delay between the xl7 and the q sequencer :-(

hmm...20ms is not ideal to be sure, but have you tested how stable the XL-7
clock is?

> considering the original question of this posting
> 
> you forgot the waldorf microwave xt. it is not really an analogue  modeled
> synth, but having one myself i can say, it can sound very  analogue and has
> lots of other interesting sounds. the only problem is, that it is
> discontinued.

Ah, I did not forget it, as I too own a Waldorf MicroWave XTk...there are
times when it can sound very analog, but I see that as the exception rather
than the rule, which is the MW XT is the epitome of (good-sounding) digital.

The real problem with the MicroWave II/XT/XTk is the current state of the
OS...certainly usable, but there are definitely things to watch out for...I
will celebrate the day Waldorf delivers OS 3.0 for the XT (and OS 3.5 for
the Q!).


cheers,
aeon

Not really an analogue modeler though it can do some pretty good analogue
imitations, I highly recommend the Waldorf Microwave XT/XTk.

Mark

Howdy
 
Grid record seems to get buggy when shuttling to a different tick. 
For example I will drop into grid record select an appropriate note to
edit/record pause select edit bar beat "or use the cursor in the grid
record window" and move forward or backward unpause and 60 to 70 percent
of the time the grid either wont scroll or reflect the current tick or
it might update every bar but the led wont chase. Once in a while after
shuttling around grid record will behave nicely any one else run into
this? Also when in song mode and switching to pattern mode and then
switching back to song mode in order to loop the current pattern the
counter wont update the tick position until the song reaches the point I
switched into pattern mode 
Later
Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: rayisfab [mailto:rayisfab@...] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:39 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Which Analogue Modeled Synth?
 
Sorry more questions!  Which analogue modeled synth would be a good 
compliment to the XL7?  I've seen the Novation K-Station Rack, Access 
Virus module, Clavia G2 Rack, the Waldorf modules and a few others 
advertised.  I've listened to the Virus and the K-Station Rack demo's 
but can't make up my mind yet.  I think the Virus sound cuts through 
more while the K-Station seems to sound richer. 

I'm making Trance and Electronica.  I can only afford one module at 
the moment so unfortunately I have to choose otherwise I'd buy them 
all.  My synth programming knowledge is rudimentary so I'm looking 
for a module that provides really useful tweakable presets. 





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Yeah, I love my Virus KC, but my girl has a K-Station too and it's a 
really nice synth too.  Just depends on how much you want to spend IMO, 
and what kinda of sound you want.  The Virus is more flexible, but it 
costs more too.  As far as which one sounds better, that's a matter of 
opinion to me, they both sound great, so it's a matter of which flavor of 
VA you prefer. 

rEalm




I'm still waiting for my XL-7 to arrive, but I can put in a good word 
for the Access Virus - and I'm sure rEalm will back me up on that.

The Novation stuff has a very nice sound and the Waldorf gear is very 
versatile, but I think the Virus and its phenomenal filters does the 
best job of nailing the rawness of analog and would therefore be a 
better match for the warm digital samples of the E-mus. Unless 
there's a must-have feature that would be a dealbreaker for you it 
really comes down to personal preference though.





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The Mathew Stolley DnB soundset for the Virus is the best collection of 
Presets I've ever heard, wicked sounds!

rEalm



Of course, even if you find that programming is not for you, the 
Virus C comes with 1024 presets and there are at least that many more 
available, for free, through the Access web site.

Biomech



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I agree.  I also love the fact that you can talk to most of the sound 
designers on the access forum.  The KC is definitely my favorite 
synth.

Biomech



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> The Mathew Stolley DnB soundset for the Virus is the best 
collection of 
> Presets I've ever heard, wicked sounds!
> 
> rEalm
> 
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> 
> Of course, even if you find that programming is not for you, the 
> Virus C comes with 1024 presets and there are at least that many 
more 
> available, for free, through the Access web site.
> 
> Biomech
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Yeah, Access and Emu are definitely the most accessible and friendly 
companies, it makes such a difference too.

rEalm





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I agree.  I also love the fact that you can talk to most of the sound 
designers on the access forum.  The KC is definitely my favorite 
synth.

Biomech



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> The Mathew Stolley DnB soundset for the Virus is the best 
collection of 
> Presets I've ever heard, wicked sounds!
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> Of course, even if you find that programming is not for you, the 
> Virus C comes with 1024 presets and there are at least that many 
more 
> available, for free, through the Access web site.
> 
> Biomech
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