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I use Plex once in awhile (it IS a softsynth BTW), it's a pretty cool 
sound module, but if it was all I was going to buy, I think I'd look at 
other options first.  It can do some neat things very easily, but it's 
simplicity is also it's downfall.  You can't adjust the filter cutoff for 
example, only choose the type of filter to apply.  It's a neat synth don't 
get me wrong, but it's kind of expensive for what it can do.  I think 
D'cota sounds better too.

For that money I think you'd be better off with Pro53 or maybe Absynth 
2.0.  Just my $.02 though.

rEalm



Also, has anyone tried a soft module like plex, or something similar, with 
good results? It seems that it'd be hell easy to setup sounds that way but 
so far I've never tried one... Just soft synths and samplers...




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Thanks! I don't know much about the soft module/synth subject... What 
I'm really looking for is a soft/hard module with good acoustic and 
old keyboard sounds... I'm not much of a synthhead...  I'm quite 
happy in that deparment with my XL-7, the ES1/2 in logic 5 and the 
free stuff I've downloaded like crystal 2. I just mess with the 
parameters til i get something I like... Mostly atmospheric sounds 
and some background melodies/harmonies. Where I'm not fully happy is 
with the acoustic pianos (and strings for the most part)... Any 
advice on that deparment?

thanks again...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> I use Plex once in awhile (it IS a softsynth BTW), it's a pretty 
cool 
> sound module, but if it was all I was going to buy, I think I'd 
look at 
> other options first.  It can do some neat things very easily, but 
it's 
> simplicity is also it's downfall.  You can't adjust the filter 
cutoff for 
> example, only choose the type of filter to apply.  It's a neat 
synth don't 
> get me wrong, but it's kind of expensive for what it can do.  I 
think 
> D'cota sounds better too.
> 
> For that money I think you'd be better off with Pro53 or maybe 
Absynth 
> 2.0.  Just my $.02 though.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> Also, has anyone tried a soft module like plex, or something 
similar, with 
> good results? It seems that it'd be hell easy to setup sounds that 
way but 
> so far I've never tried one... Just soft synths and samplers...
> 
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Thanks! I don't know much about the soft module/synth subject... What 
I'm really looking for is a soft/hard module with good acoustic and 
old keyboard sounds... 

>>>Ah, you definitely don't want Plex then, it's more for weird sounds and 
shit you've never heard before. <<<

I'm not much of a synthhead...  I'm quite happy in that deparment with my 
XL-7, the ES1/2 in logic 5 and the 
free stuff I've downloaded like crystal 2. I just mess with the parameters 
til i get something I like... Mostly atmospheric sounds and some 
background melodies/harmonies. Where I'm not fully happy is with the 
acoustic pianos (and strings for the most part)... Any advice on that 
deparment?

>>>If you want to keep it in the XL-7, I'd suggest a P2500 Rom (otherwise 
known as the Proteus Pop ROM) which is exactly what I use for those types 
of sounds.  Otherwise, in terms of software you could maybe go with 
Sampletank and a bread and butter collection of samples they offer.  In 
terms of hardware, maybe something like a Roland JV1010, or a used 
XV-2020?  Going to be hard to find hardware that cheap though, even used. 
My vote would be for the ROM. <<<

rEalm









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Yes. It's also got a very ROMpler sound - the patches aren't very 
dynamic at all. 

The Lounge Lizard is pretty phenomenal, if you are looking for EPs. 
Pretty much definitive. I prefer it to the Emagic version - especially 
the VST one. 

bIz

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> Thanks! I don't know much about the soft module/synth subject... 
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> I'm really looking for is a soft/hard module with good acoustic and 
<BR>
> old keyboard sounds... <BR>
> <BR>
> >>>Ah, you definitely don't want Plex then, it's more for 
weird sounds and <BR>
> shit you've never heard before. <<<<BR>
> <BR>
> I'm not much of a synthhead...  I'm quite happy in that 
deparment with my <BR>
> XL-7, the ES1/2 in logic 5 and the <BR>
> free stuff I've downloaded like crystal 2. I just mess with the 
parameters <BR>
> til i get something I like... Mostly atmospheric sounds and some <BR>
> background melodies/harmonies. Where I'm not fully happy is with the 
<BR>
> acoustic pianos (and strings for the most part)... Any advice on 
that <BR>
> deparment?<BR>
> <BR>
> >>>If you want to keep it in the XL-7, I'd suggest a P2500 
Rom (otherwise <BR>
> known as the Proteus Pop ROM) which is exactly what I use for those 
types <BR>
> of sounds.  Otherwise, in terms of software you could maybe go 
with <BR>
> Sampletank and a bread and butter collection of samples they 
offer.  In <BR>
> terms of hardware, maybe something like a Roland JV1010, or a used 
<BR>
> XV-2020?  Going to be hard to find hardware that cheap though, 
even used. <BR>
> My vote would be for the ROM. <<<<BR>
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dynamic at all. 

The Lounge Lizard is pretty phenomenal, if you are looking for EPs. 
Pretty much definitive. I prefer it to the Emagic version - especially 
the VST one. 

bIz

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> Thanks! I don't know much about the soft module/synth subject... 
What <BR>
> I'm really looking for is a soft/hard module with good acoustic and 
<BR>
> old keyboard sounds... <BR>
> <BR>
> >>>Ah, you definitely don't want Plex then, it's more for 
weird sounds and <BR>
> shit you've never heard before. <<<<BR>
> <BR>
> I'm not much of a synthhead...  I'm quite happy in that 
deparment with my <BR>
> XL-7, the ES1/2 in logic 5 and the <BR>
> free stuff I've downloaded like crystal 2. I just mess with the 
parameters <BR>
> til i get something I like... Mostly atmospheric sounds and some <BR>
> background melodies/harmonies. Where I'm not fully happy is with the 
<BR>
> acoustic pianos (and strings for the most part)... Any advice on 
that <BR>
> deparment?<BR>
> <BR>
> >>>If you want to keep it in the XL-7, I'd suggest a P2500 
Rom (otherwise <BR>
> known as the Proteus Pop ROM) which is exactly what I use for those 
types <BR>
> of sounds.  Otherwise, in terms of software you could maybe go 
with <BR>
> Sampletank and a bread and butter collection of samples they 
offer.  In <BR>
> terms of hardware, maybe something like a Roland JV1010, or a used 
<BR>
> XV-2020?  Going to be hard to find hardware that cheap though, 
even used. <BR>
> My vote would be for the ROM. <<<<BR>
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Yes. It's also got a very ROMpler sound - the patches aren't very 
dynamic at all. 

The Lounge Lizard is pretty phenomenal, if you are looking for EPs. 
Pretty much definitive. I prefer it to the Emagic version - especially 
the VST one. 

bIz

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> <tt>
> Thanks! I don't know much about the soft module/synth subject... 
What <BR>
> I'm really looking for is a soft/hard module with good acoustic and 
<BR>
> old keyboard sounds... <BR>
> <BR>
> >>>Ah, you definitely don't want Plex then, it's more for 
weird sounds and <BR>
> shit you've never heard before. <<<<BR>
> <BR>
> I'm not much of a synthhead...  I'm quite happy in that 
deparment with my <BR>
> XL-7, the ES1/2 in logic 5 and the <BR>
> free stuff I've downloaded like crystal 2. I just mess with the 
parameters <BR>
> til i get something I like... Mostly atmospheric sounds and some <BR>
> background melodies/harmonies. Where I'm not fully happy is with the 
<BR>
> acoustic pianos (and strings for the most part)... Any advice on 
that <BR>
> deparment?<BR>
> <BR>
> >>>If you want to keep it in the XL-7, I'd suggest a P2500 
Rom (otherwise <BR>
> known as the Proteus Pop ROM) which is exactly what I use for those 
types <BR>
> of sounds.  Otherwise, in terms of software you could maybe go 
with <BR>
> Sampletank and a bread and butter collection of samples they 
offer.  In <BR>
> terms of hardware, maybe something like a Roland JV1010, or a used 
<BR>
> XV-2020?  Going to be hard to find hardware that cheap though, 
even used. <BR>
> My vote would be for the ROM. <<<<BR>
> <BR>
> rEalm<BR>
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I use a Roland JV 1010 with sound diver, it works really well for me, but I 
do not know if that is any help.


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>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [xl7] Plex
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:37:55 -0500
>
>I use Plex once in awhile (it IS a softsynth BTW), it's a pretty cool
>sound module, but if it was all I was going to buy, I think I'd look at
>other options first.  It can do some neat things very easily, but it's
>simplicity is also it's downfall.  You can't adjust the filter cutoff for
>example, only choose the type of filter to apply.  It's a neat synth don't
>get me wrong, but it's kind of expensive for what it can do.  I think
>D'cota sounds better too.
>
>For that money I think you'd be better off with Pro53 or maybe Absynth
>2.0.  Just my $.02 though.
>
>rEalm
>
>
>
>Also, has anyone tried a soft module like plex, or something similar, with
>good results? It seems that it'd be hell easy to setup sounds that way but
>so far I've never tried one... Just soft synths and samplers...
>
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Thanks a lot... I appreciate it... I've been doing some thinking and 
I finally realized what I'm missing. I'm really unhappy about not 
being able to replicate my acoustic piano with a keyboard... I posted 
my situation at the SOS forum (since it's really not a Xl-7 related 
question...). if anyone wnats to try to help me out...

"I spent three years without my acoustic piano... for the first year 
I hardly composed anything, then I started to compose some things 
after I began to play with organ and electric pianos sounds. I just 
moved back to the place where I left my piano and I'm flowing with 
ideas again... I'm not a lineal composer but more of a structural 
composer... I deal with harmony and dynamics a lot and they way my 
body reacts to them... Most of the things are jazz-like improvised 
pieces. I just realized that is the lack of feedback that I get from 
my QS8 that puts me of... I can't work around my piano part if I 
record my acoustic piano since it'd be out of tune enough to not 
sounds right when I add the other melodic instruments... But when I 
play my QS8 I just don't get inspired... 

For me recording an acoustic piano is just not an option... Since I 
need to be able to play at what ever time I want (ei. 2am) and I 
don't have a studio room big enough for it... Also, I don't make 
enough money to have somebody come to my house to tune the piano 
every week....

I looked around and found this plug called "Steinberg The Grand 
Virtual Grand Piano"... Has anyobody tried it? I also have an EMu ESi 
sampler with 128mb of memory... If anybody know of a good sample cd 
or plug please help me out....

I like the feel of the alesis enough, is the sound dynamics what i 
don't like. I especially hate how unrealistic the sustain pedal 
sounds and the fact the the aftertouch seems to be for all the keys 
and not each single key individually...

I've played some expensive roland and yamaha electric pianos and 
though they responded better it wasn't really that close to a real 
piano...

Do any of you is going or went through the same situation?

I'm really frustrated... Any help is more than welcome....."


BTW, has anybody tried the acoustic pianos on the ZR rom? It's 
supposed to be great...


thanks...


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Thanks! I don't know much about the soft module/synth subject... 
What 
> I'm really looking for is a soft/hard module with good acoustic and 
> old keyboard sounds... 
> 
> >>>Ah, you definitely don't want Plex then, it's more for weird 
sounds and 
> shit you've never heard before. <<<
> 
> I'm not much of a synthhead...  I'm quite happy in that deparment 
with my 
> XL-7, the ES1/2 in logic 5 and the 
> free stuff I've downloaded like crystal 2. I just mess with the 
parameters 
> til i get something I like... Mostly atmospheric sounds and some 
> background melodies/harmonies. Where I'm not fully happy is with 
the 
> acoustic pianos (and strings for the most part)... Any advice on 
that 
> deparment?
> 
> >>>If you want to keep it in the XL-7, I'd suggest a P2500 Rom 
(otherwise 
> known as the Proteus Pop ROM) which is exactly what I use for those 
types 
> of sounds.  Otherwise, in terms of software you could maybe go with 
> Sampletank and a bread and butter collection of samples they 
offer.  In 
> terms of hardware, maybe something like a Roland JV1010, or a used 
> XV-2020?  Going to be hard to find hardware that cheap though, even 
used. 

> My vote would be for the ROM. <<<
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Steinberg's The Grand is definitely my first choice whenever I need a 
piano now, it really is very nice sounding, certainly better than anything 
you'd find in Rompler IMO.  The only thing is that you'll need lots of 
hard drive space (about 2.5GB if I remember correctly) and a decent amount 
of RAM (at least 512MB).  If you have that, then I would definitely 
recommend it.  Also, slightly cheaper is the Edirol HQ Orchestra VSTi too, 
which has a very nice piano as well as other good sounds.  Cheaper, but of 
course not as nice as the Grand IMO.  Both of these are the two I settled 
for whan trying out tons of piano samples and softsynths.

If you would still rather get a ROM, the Piano on the P2500 ROM isn't that 
bad either, I use it when I don't feel like powering up the PC to play 
(err...try to play piano)...

Speaking of which, anyone know of any good sites with finger exercises fro 
improving your chops, or sites with full on piano tutorials?  I haven't 
had much luck finding decent sites...

rEalm




I looked around and found this plug called "Steinberg The Grand 
Virtual Grand Piano"... Has anyobody tried it? I also have an EMu ESi 
sampler with 128mb of memory... If anybody know of a good sample cd 
or plug please help me out....









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I think there is a Miroslav Vitous sample CD that has huge acoustic 
pianos, you might search for that....
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "sincultura13" <sincultura13@y...> wrote:
> Thanks a lot... I appreciate it... I've been doing some thinking 
and 
> I finally realized what I'm missing. I'm really unhappy about not 
> being able to replicate my acoustic piano with a keyboard... I 
posted 
> my situation at the SOS forum (since it's really not a Xl-7 
related 
> question...). if anyone wnats to try to help me out...
> 
> "I spent three years without my acoustic piano... for the first 
year 
> I hardly composed anything, then I started to compose some things 
> after I began to play with organ and electric pianos sounds. I 
just 
> moved back to the place where I left my piano and I'm flowing with 
> ideas again... I'm not a lineal composer but more of a structural 
> composer... I deal with harmony and dynamics a lot and they way my 
> body reacts to them... Most of the things are jazz-like improvised 
> pieces. I just realized that is the lack of feedback that I get 
from 
> my QS8 that puts me of... I can't work around my piano part if I 
> record my acoustic piano since it'd be out of tune enough to not 
> sounds right when I add the other melodic instruments... But when 
I 
> play my QS8 I just don't get inspired... 
> 
> For me recording an acoustic piano is just not an option... Since 
I 
> need to be able to play at what ever time I want (ei. 2am) and I 
> don't have a studio room big enough for it... Also, I don't make 
> enough money to have somebody come to my house to tune the piano 
> every week....
> 
> I looked around and found this plug called "Steinberg The Grand 
> Virtual Grand Piano"... Has anyobody tried it? I also have an EMu 
ESi 
> sampler with 128mb of memory... If anybody know of a good sample 
cd 
> or plug please help me out....
> 
> I like the feel of the alesis enough, is the sound dynamics what i 
> don't like. I especially hate how unrealistic the sustain pedal 
> sounds and the fact the the aftertouch seems to be for all the 
keys 
> and not each single key individually...
> 
> I've played some expensive roland and yamaha electric pianos and 
> though they responded better it wasn't really that close to a real 
> piano...
> 
> Do any of you is going or went through the same situation?
> 
> I'm really frustrated... Any help is more than welcome....."
> 
> 
> BTW, has anybody tried the acoustic pianos on the ZR rom? It's 
> supposed to be great...
> 
> 
> thanks...
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Thanks! I don't know much about the soft module/synth subject... 
> What 
> > I'm really looking for is a soft/hard module with good acoustic 
and 
> > old keyboard sounds... 
> > 
> > >>>Ah, you definitely don't want Plex then, it's more for weird 
> sounds and 
> > shit you've never heard before. <<<
> > 
> > I'm not much of a synthhead...  I'm quite happy in that 
deparment 
> with my 
> > XL-7, the ES1/2 in logic 5 and the 
> > free stuff I've downloaded like crystal 2. I just mess with the 
> parameters 
> > til i get something I like... Mostly atmospheric sounds and some 
> > background melodies/harmonies. Where I'm not fully happy is with 
> the 
> > acoustic pianos (and strings for the most part)... Any advice on 
> that 
> > deparment?
> > 
> > >>>If you want to keep it in the XL-7, I'd suggest a P2500 Rom 
> (otherwise 
> > known as the Proteus Pop ROM) which is exactly what I use for 
those 
> types 
> > of sounds.  Otherwise, in terms of software you could maybe go 
with 
> > Sampletank and a bread and butter collection of samples they 
> offer.  In 
> > terms of hardware, maybe something like a Roland JV1010, or a 
used 
> > XV-2020?  Going to be hard to find hardware that cheap though, 
even 

> used. 
> > My vote would be for the ROM. <<<
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You might try it the old fashioned way, grab a few books from a 
decent music store, there are tons of inexpensive finger studies you 
could get, plus then you don't have to ruin your eyes staring at the 
computer.....
Dana
> Speaking of which, anyone know of any good sites with finger 
exercises fro 
> improving your chops, or sites with full on piano tutorials?  I 
haven't 
> had much luck finding decent sites...
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> rEalm
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> I looked around and found this plug called "Steinberg The Grand 
> Virtual Grand Piano"... Has anyobody tried it? I also have an EMu 
ESi 
> sampler with 128mb of memory... If anybody know of a good sample 
cd 

> or plug please help me out....
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What's a "book"?  Sounds interesting, do you use those to synthsize wind 
noises?

rEalm





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You might try it the old fashioned way, grab a few books from a 
decent music store, there are tons of inexpensive finger studies you 
could get, plus then you don't have to ruin your eyes staring at the 
computer.....
Dana
> Speaking of which, anyone know of any good sites with finger 
exercises fro 
> improving your chops, or sites with full on piano tutorials?  I 
haven't 
> had much luck finding decent sites...
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I looked around and found this plug called "Steinberg The Grand 
> Virtual Grand Piano"... Has anyobody tried it? I also have an EMu 
ESi 
> sampler with 128mb of memory... If anybody know of a good sample 
cd 
> or plug please help me out....
> 
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> 
> 
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I think that the Hanon book as the definitive text for developing
piano chops - it's all there in terms of finger dexterity. Then there
is Bartok's Mikrocosmos - volumes 1-6. Start with Vol 1. These were
written as a method for learning to play music on the piano - develop
independence, the ability to play cannons, work with dynamics, etc. It
is all 100% music and very inspirational as well as providing an
insightful view into traditional Eastern European tonalities and music
forms - but updated in a way that is timeless - i.e. still sounds
modern. The great thing about both of these works is that each example
is so essential in terms of concept that they become lifelong studies
in technique + musicality.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dwoodaman" <dwoodaman@y...> wrote:
> You might try it the old fashioned way, grab a few books from a 
> decent music store, there are tons of inexpensive finger studies
you 
> could get, plus then you don't have to ruin your eyes staring at
the 

> computer.....
> Dana
> > Speaking of which, anyone know of any good sites with finger 
> exercises fro 
> > improving your chops, or sites with full on piano tutorials?  I 
> haven't 
> > had much luck finding decent sites...
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I looked around and found this plug called "Steinberg The Grand 
> > Virtual Grand Piano"... Has anyobody tried it? I also have an EMu 
> ESi 
> > sampler with 128mb of memory... If anybody know of a good sample 
> cd 
> > or plug please help me out....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Wow, I remember these.  I think I still have Vol 1 & 2 from when I took
piano lessons (on a Hammond organ!) at age six.  I think they have all
sorts of scribblings of a six year old too... =)

-Aaron

--- vibesart <vibesart@...> wrote:
> Bartok's Mikrocosmos - volumes 1-6. Start with Vol 1.

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I have the ZR ROM and the pianos are pretty good.  Though when I really want to play piano,
nothing beats the Kurzweil PC2X.  I use the PC2X alongside my XL-7 (with World, ZR, X-lead, and
Pop Roms).  I usually mix sounds from the two via a Mackie mixer.  Overall, Kurzweil kicks serious
butt over Emu.  But then you get what you pay for...  I am more than happy with the combination as
my two main sound sources.

     Stephen


<<I've played some expensive roland and yamaha electric pianos and 
though they responded better it wasn't really that close to a real 
piano...

BTW, has anybody tried the acoustic pianos on the ZR rom? It's 
supposed to be great...>>



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Thanks. My computer can handle the Grand piano plug, but I'm thinking 
that if a can find a big cd rom preset for my ESi I can also take it 
to play live... Has anyone tried a really good acoustic piano sample 
cd? I might just try the Steinberg, otherwise...


BTW, Realm, I recomend that you get a simple with book with just 
scales, chords and harmony basics, all scales... that way you not 
only get dexterity but also develop an hear for harmony and musical 
modes... As far as technic I'm one who thinks that, unless you are 
going to be a classical or sight reading piano player, is best just 
to learn by doing that way you sound different from everybody else... 
Is not uncommon for me to get to a jam session and solo in a 
completely different mode than every other soloist and still be in 
tune. Is not that I play better, 'cause it hardly ever the case, its 
just that I heard things differently... When I was learning how to 
play I'd sit every day at the piano trying chords and superimposed 
scales to chord progresssions... just checking how my body reacted to 
them. Most musician have that but when you sit at the piano and 
understand why, you get an additional compositional tool... 

Is nice when one can kill two birds with one stone... :)

just my 2cents...


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> What's a "book"?  Sounds interesting, do you use those to synthsize 
wind 
> noises?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> dwoodaman <dwoodaman@y...>
> 09/17/2003 11:52 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Plex
> 
> 
> You might try it the old fashioned way, grab a few books from a 
> decent music store, there are tons of inexpensive finger studies 
you 
> could get, plus then you don't have to ruin your eyes staring at 
the 
> computer.....
> Dana
> > Speaking of which, anyone know of any good sites with finger 
> exercises fro 
> > improving your chops, or sites with full on piano tutorials?  I 
> haven't 
> > had much luck finding decent sites...
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I looked around and found this plug called "Steinberg The Grand 
> > Virtual Grand Piano"... Has anyobody tried it? I also have an EMu 
> ESi 
> > sampler with 128mb of memory... If anybody know of a good sample 
> cd 
> > or plug please help me out....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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BTW, Realm, I recomend that you get a simple with book with just scales, 
chords and harmony basics, all scales... that way you not only get 
dexterity but also develop an hear for harmony and musical modes... 

>>>Well, I started out as a guitar player, and during that time I taught 
myself music theory up to a college 4 level, so I know all about that kind 
of stuff already (though admittedly I rarely use it in my EDM).  The 
problem I have now, is that I just physically can't PLAY the ideas I have 
on a keyboard very well.  I'd like to improve my dexterity and chops so 
that the ideas I have using the techniques you described above can be 
better translated to the keyboard.  If I could find a guitar to MIDI 
convertor I was really happy with (Yes, tried all the big names already), 
I probably wouldn't even bother. <<<

As far as technic I'm one who thinks that, unless you are going to be a 
classical or sight reading piano player, is best just to learn by doing 
that way you sound different from everybody else... 

>>>This is actually far more important to me as well, and is the number 
one reason I won't take lessons.  Too often they use other people's music 
as a means to learn, not understanding that I'm really only interested in 
the technique, not in paying other people's songs.  People have always 
commented that my guitar playing and songs writing has a very unique style 
to it, and it's something I'd like to continue to push.  Thanks for the 
ideas though! <<<

rEalm






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I said before: "As far as technic I'm one who thinks that, unless you 
are going to be a classical or sight reading piano player, is best 
just to learn by doing that way you sound different from everybody 
else... " 

>>>Sorry if that didn't sounds right... I heard your music and its 
really original... In spanish, my first language, "you" is used ofted 
instead of one...  so the expample was actually reffering to you, 
realm, but to the hypotherical person in question....

Realm said: "If I could find a guitar to MIDI 
convertor I was really happy with (Yes, tried all the big names 
already), I probably wouldn't even bother." 

>>>Why aren't you happy with the guitar to midi convertors? I've 
always been interested in getting one but never got around actually 
getting one... 





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> BTW, Realm, I recomend that you get a simple with book with just 
scales, 
> chords and harmony basics, all scales... that way you not only get 
> dexterity but also develop an hear for harmony and musical modes... 
> 
> >>>Well, I started out as a guitar player, and during that time I 
taught 
> myself music theory up to a college 4 level, so I know all about 
that kind 
> of stuff already (though admittedly I rarely use it in my EDM).  
The 
> problem I have now, is that I just physically can't PLAY the ideas 
I have 
> on a keyboard very well.  I'd like to improve my dexterity and 
chops so 
> that the ideas I have using the techniques you described above can 
be 
> better translated to the keyboard.  If I could find a guitar to 
MIDI 
> convertor I was really happy with (Yes, tried all the big names 
already), 
> I probably wouldn't even bother. <<<
> 
> As far as technic I'm one who thinks that, unless you are going to 
be a 
> classical or sight reading piano player, is best just to learn by 
doing 
> that way you sound different from everybody else... 
> 
> >>>This is actually far more important to me as well, and is the 
number 
> one reason I won't take lessons.  Too often they use other people's 
music 
> as a means to learn, not understanding that I'm really only 
interested in 
> the technique, not in paying other people's songs.  People have 
always 
> commented that my guitar playing and songs writing has a very 
unique style 
> to it, and it's something I'd like to continue to push.  Thanks for 
the 

> ideas though! <<<
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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