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2010-02-20 by jesper
I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I cannot keep this from you: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130365959807 Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros? The Simmons universe is amazing. :) -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-20 by brian walker
Jasper Shush Just offloading the two dozen I brought at £25:00 the lot when nobody wanted them Just joking but it is a fashion thing and in right now is anything that says CLAP Boss HC2 at around the same price just before Christmas Don't knock it Like the commodity market sell now and buy back later when the market has settled On the other hand you could be really boring like me and JUST USE IT FOR WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR Brian --- On Sat, 2/20/10, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
From: jesper <jesper@...>
Subject: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 8:54 AM
I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I
cannot keep this from you:
http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=13036595980 7
Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros?
The Simmons universe is amazing. :)
--
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic- obsession. se
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-02-20 by Thomas Heckmann
...good that I bought four of them and three analogue ones when they were cheap ;-) Anybody wants to trade their SDS III for one Digiclap ? Hahahahaaa.... Time to cash in ;-) On Feb 20, 2010, at 9:54 AM, jesper wrote: > I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I > cannot keep this from you: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130365959807 > > Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros? > > The Simmons universe is amazing. :) > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Thomas P. Heckmann Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB
2010-02-20 by Berk Aarts
Does this really has a use. I thought those kind off old things were meant to be some kind off investment?? But what is it anyway? juat joking, really niceprice which I had a few off theme >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >From: brian walker <brian1075us@...> >Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:04:20 -0800 (PST) >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > > >Jasper > >Shush > >Just offloading the two dozen I brought at £25:00 the lot when nobody wanted >them > >Just joking but it is a fashion thing and in right now is anything that says >CLAP > >Boss HC2 at around the same price just before Christmas > >Don't knock it > >Like the commodity market sell now and buy back later when the market has >settled > >On the other hand you could be really boring like me and JUST USE IT FOR >WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR > >Brian > >--- On Sat, 2/20/10, jesper <jesper@...> wrote: > >From: jesper <jesper@...> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 8:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I
> > >cannot keep this from you: > >http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=13036595980 7 > > > >Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros? > > > >The Simmons universe is amazing. :) > > > >-- > >electronically yours, jesper > > > >- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > >www.electronic- obsession. se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-02-20 by monzarottie
I've seen one on Craigslist for $1000 US. Now that's absurd! --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Heckmann <troperecordings@...> wrote:
> > ...good that I bought four of them and three analogue ones when they > were cheap ;-) > Anybody wants to trade their SDS III for one Digiclap ? Hahahahaaa.... > Time to cash in ;-) > > > On Feb 20, 2010, at 9:54 AM, jesper wrote: > > > I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I > > cannot keep this from you: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130365959807 > > > > Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros? > > > > The Simmons universe is amazing. :) > > > > -- > > electronically yours, jesper > > > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Thomas P. Heckmann > Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB >
2010-02-20 by Patrice Jacquot
ha ha Jesper... it sounds stupid as ever... the same way people are buying SDSV 200euros & selling them (or trying to ) 800 or 1000 euros... SDSIII for 1500 / 2000 euros.... The fashion you're talking about is in fact some people speculating on the music world... & others proud of buying (!!!) thinking that if it is expensive then it has something special... or just wealthy collectors .... anyway... I saw recently an EMu very cheap in adv, tryed too late so missed it ,but found it again on ebay a week later , completely dismantled... sold card by card ... Like the US guy who bought Phil Collins SDSV, & sold it channel by channel, (nearly screw by screw) after while... I know a few guys like this in the Simmons world but also in the Fairlight one & so on... I have some names if someone interested off line ;-) the worse is that some people are buying from them , very happy to be one of the few people having this "privilege "... Who is the idiot ? really... is it really a market law ? don't think so ... But it's obvious some guys want to be (a bit more) rich, pay their taxes, or new synths :-) I can tell you that Dave himself find all that so stupid ... anyway ... Le 20 f�vr. 10 � 09:54, jesper a �crit : > I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I > cannot keep this from you: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130365959807 > > Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros? > > The Simmons universe is amazing. :) > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-02-21 by Lance
so let me throw this out there...I have an SDS-V, w/ 5 cards...stands and 6 pads that are in very good shape..black on black w riot surface and one red and one white SDS-V w/ rubber surface...do not have the bass pad but use and SDS-9 Bass pad instead... So what would this be worth USA $$?...See to me..I would price very high due to shape of materials and rarity but to others they want a fire sale and there aint no way I would give it away for nothing!!! --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> wrote:
From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 11:23 AM
ha ha Jesper...
it sounds stupid as ever...
the same way people are buying SDSV 200euros & selling them (or trying
to ) 800 or 1000 euros...
SDSIII for 1500 / 2000 euros....
The fashion you're talking about is in fact some people speculating on
the music world... & others proud of buying (!!!) thinking that if it
is expensive then it has something special...
or just wealthy collectors .... anyway...
I saw recently an EMu very cheap in adv, tryed too late so missed
it ,but found it again on ebay a week later , completely
dismantled... sold card by card ...
Like the US guy who bought Phil Collins SDSV, & sold it channel by
channel, (nearly screw by screw) after while...
I know a few guys like this in the Simmons world but also in the
Fairlight one & so on... I have some names if someone interested off
line ;-)
the worse is that some people are buying from them , very happy to be
one of the few people having this "privilege "...
Who is the idiot ? really... is it really a market law ? don't think
so ...
But it's obvious some guys want to be (a bit more) rich, pay their
taxes, or new synths :-)
I can tell you that Dave himself find all that so stupid ...
anyway ...
Le 20 févr. 10 à 09:54, jesper a écrit :
> I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I
> cannot keep this from you:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130365959807
>
> Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros?
>
> The Simmons universe is amazing. :)
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-02-21 by Berk Aarts
sad but true people who allready have enough money speculating and hoping to make a lot more money. See what happens in the `' art" world or sports, ridiculios prices for what??
>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> >Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:23:54 +0100 >Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > > >ha ha Jesper... >it sounds stupid as ever... > >the same way people are buying SDSV 200euros & selling them (or trying >to ) 800 or 1000 euros... >SDSIII for 1500 / 2000 euros.... >The fashion you're talking about is in fact some people speculating on >the music world... & others proud of buying (!!!) thinking that if it >is expensive then it has something special... >or just wealthy collectors .... anyway... >I saw recently an EMu very cheap in adv, tryed too late so missed >it ,but found it again on ebay a week later , completely >dismantled... sold card by card ... > >Like the US guy who bought Phil Collins SDSV, & sold it channel by >channel, (nearly screw by screw) after while... > >I know a few guys like this in the Simmons world but also in the >Fairlight one & so on... I have some names if someone interested off >line ;-) >the worse is that some people are buying from them , very happy to be >one of the few people having this "privilege "... > >Who is the idiot ? really... is it really a market law ? don't think >so ... >But it's obvious some guys want to be (a bit more) rich, pay their >taxes, or new synths :-) > >I can tell you that Dave himself find all that so stupid ... >anyway ... > > > > > > > > >Le 20 f?vr. 10 ? 09:54, jesper a ?crit : > >> I know, this list in not intended for complaints and similar, but I >> cannot keep this from you: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130365959807 >> >> Who can honestly say a digital clap trap is worth 310 euros? >> >> The Simmons universe is amazing. :) >> >> -- >> electronically yours, jesper >> >> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - >> www.electronic-obsession.se >> >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-02-22 by Patrice Jacquot
By the way, I have a Boss/Roland HC-2 ... Anyone interested to swap an analog Claptrap ? all the Best, Patrice.
2010-02-22 by jesper
Berk Aarts skrev: > sad but true > people who allready have enough money speculating and hoping to make a lot > more money. See what happens in the `' art" world or sports, ridiculios prices > for what?? I was more amazed by the comparison to decent Simmons brains. A digital clap trap vs. SDS-8 for example. I'm OK with a SDS-V costing 500-1000 euros (and not only because I own one) since it's a versatile classic. The digital clap trap is just lame (or close to lame at least). -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-22 by rubbus
Any item or service is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it. The market will decide and correct. :) --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:
> > sad but true > people who allready have enough money speculating and hoping to make a lot > more money. See what happens in the `' art" world or sports, ridiculios prices > for what?? > >
2010-02-22 by jesper
rubbus skrev: > Any item or service is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for > it. The market will decide and correct. :) Certainly! But the musician's point of view is not exactly the same as the collector's view... -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-22 by Patrice Jacquot
yes... but the market can be influenced ... in very silly ways ... I think ... recently it has been influenced by sellers who wanted profit ... Vintage gear shops, technicians, collectors, brokers. (Nearly all on EBAY) ...& first buyers trying to find again their first huge investment... Not because people want Simmons badly again... Not quite the same I think ... Simmons isn't really fashionable again ... I mean not because of significant hit again or whatever... There isn't a main interest in it... We are just a few activists... ;-) ... yet ... anyway ... Is it really worthwile speaking about it ... But we should definitely stop thinking that if someone is proposing a high price , then it's the new quote... This is also "we" the market ...So if we validate every greedy predator that comes on Ebay... Le 22 f�vr. 10 � 16:36, rubbus a �crit : > Any item or service is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay > for it. The market will decide and correct. :) > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> > wrote: > > > > sad but true > > people who allready have enough money speculating and hoping to > make a lot > > more money. See what happens in the `' art" world or sports, > ridiculios prices > > for what?? > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-02-22 by Patrice Jacquot
> I'm OK with a SDS-V costing 500-1000 > euros (and not only because I own one) since it's a versatile classic. How much main of us, did actually pay for our secondhand SDS V ? ;-)
2010-02-22 by Th. Neumeier
hi Patrice I got a claptrap. I will take some pics from it tomorrow. i dont know maybe you like a mint condition.thats not what it is. cheers Thomas --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> wrote:
From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Claptrap ?
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:34 AM
By the way,
I have a Boss/Roland HC-2 ...
Anyone interested to swap an analog Claptrap ?
all the Best,
Patrice.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-02-22 by Patrice Jacquot
Well THomas don't hesitate anyway ... I'll see how it's like. I'm looking for a MKI or II ... My Boss isn't new but quite in good shape , I can also take pictures to show you. Maybe contact me off list ... ;-) Best, Patrice. Le 22 f�vr. 10 � 20:56, Th. Neumeier a �crit : > hi Patrice > I got a claptrap. I will take some pics from it tomorrow. i dont > know maybe you like a mint condition.thats not what it is. > cheers > Thomas > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> wrote: > > From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Claptrap ? > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:34 AM > > > > By the way, > > I have a Boss/Roland HC-2 ... > > Anyone interested to swap an analog Claptrap ? > > all the Best, > > Patrice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-02-22 by brian walker
Hi Thomas I have a mint condition brand new Boss HC2 if you are inerested in a swap Sorry wrong sales pitch Just sliped into GREED mode there Brian PS All the best to both of you with the swap All joking apart if anybody has a CLAPtrap for sale or they want to exchange for something else I would be interested --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@free.fr> wrote:
> From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> > Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Claptrap ? > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 8:43 PM > Well THomas don't hesitate anyway ... > I'll see how it's like. > I'm looking for a MKI or II ... My Boss isn't new but > quite in good > shape , I can also take pictures to show you. > > Maybe contact me off list ... ;-) > > Best, > Patrice. > > > > > > > > Le 22 févr. 10 à 20:56, Th. Neumeier a écrit : > > > hi Patrice > > I got a claptrap. I will take some pics from it > tomorrow. i dont > > know maybe you like a mint condition.thats not what it > is. > > cheers > > Thomas > > > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> > wrote: > > > > From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Claptrap ? > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:34 AM > > > > > > > > By the way, > > > > I have a Boss/Roland HC-2 ... > > > > Anyone interested to swap an analog Claptrap ? > > > > all the Best, > > > > Patrice. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Simmons_Drums-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >
2010-02-22 by Patrice Jacquot
;-) Le 22 f�vr. 10 � 22:22, brian walker a �crit : > Hi Thomas > > I have a mint condition brand new Boss HC2 if you are inerested in a > swap > > Sorry wrong sales pitch > > Just sliped into GREED mode there > > Brian > > PS All the best to both of you with the swap > > All joking apart if anybody has a CLAPtrap for sale or they want to > exchange for something else I would be interested > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> wrote: > > > From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@free.fr> > > Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Claptrap ? > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 8:43 PM > > Well THomas don't hesitate anyway ... > > I'll see how it's like. > > I'm looking for a MKI or II ... My Boss isn't new but > > quite in good > > shape , I can also take pictures to show you. > > > > Maybe contact me off list ... ;-) > > > > Best, > > Patrice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 22 f�vr. 10 � 20:56, Th. Neumeier a �crit : > > > > > hi Patrice > > > I got a claptrap. I will take some pics from it > > tomorrow. i dont > > > know maybe you like a mint condition.thats not what it > > is. > > > cheers > > > Thomas > > > > > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@free.fr> > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...> > > > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Claptrap ? > > > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, > > > > > > I have a Boss/Roland HC-2 ... > > > > > > Anyone interested to swap an analog Claptrap ? > > > > > > all the Best, > > > > > > Patrice. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Simmons_Drums-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-02-23 by brian walker
Hi All >But the musician's point of view is not exactly the same as the collector's view... Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! A lot of old (and not so old) gear is sold off to by musicians to repay debts and by investors to move on to something else that is HOT The whole music / fashion business is a circular thing Issue at as high a price as the market will stand Reduce price and sell old unwanted stock (TB-303 for £89:00)) Second hand prices slowly fall (303 now £25:00) Someone has a hit using said instrument and everybody wants one (303 £1000) One of those sorry that was last years fashion!!! (303 £500) Savvy musicians spot a good deal and prices rise Everybody moves in and prices rocket again (303 £1500) Bad investment and the instrument is dumped Join the circle and go round again Get on and off when you feel you can afford it At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the gear that I have Brian --- On Mon, 2/22/10, jesper <jesper@electronic-obsession.se> wrote:
From: jesper <jesper@...>
Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:29 PM
rubbus skrev:
> Any item or service is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for
> it. The market will decide and correct. :)
Certainly!
--
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic- obsession. se
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-02-23 by jesper
brian walker skrev: > Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! --- > Get on and off when you feel you can afford it > > At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the gear > that I have Good summary Brian. These days I don't buy as much as I did, but when I did, I went for the machines with bad rep and those described as "quirky" since it gave me a lot for my invested cash and also expanded the sonic horizon. In the Simmons world this "quirkyness" can be applied to SDS-7 which has a reputation of breaking down if you just look at it. In my experience it's not true, and therefor still an OK deal on the 2nd hand market compared to a workhorse like the SDS-8. Amazing how these two machines cost about the same today compared to 1. - what they can do. 2. - What they cost new. -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-23 by Berk Aarts
or the salesman point of view?
>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >From: jesper <jesper@...> >Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:29:23 +0100 >Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > > >rubbus skrev: >> Any item or service is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for > >> it. The market will decide and correct. :) > >Certainly! > >But the musician's point of view is not exactly the same as the >collector's view... > >-- >electronically yours, jesper > >- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - >www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-23 by Thomas Heckmann
...to calm everyone down here, you can still get great bargains ;-) I just bought a Tama Techstar for € 110.- from Ebay ! Best and let's get back to really interesting Simmons things !!!! Thomas On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:27 AM, jesper wrote: > brian walker skrev: >> Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! > --- >> Get on and off when you feel you can afford it >> >> At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the gear >> that I have > > Good summary Brian. These days I don't buy as much as I did, but > when I > did, I went for the machines with bad rep and those described as > "quirky" since it gave me a lot for my invested cash and also expanded > the sonic horizon. > In the Simmons world this "quirkyness" can be applied to SDS-7 > which has > a reputation of breaking down if you just look at it. In my experience > it's not true, and therefor still an OK deal on the 2nd hand market > compared to a workhorse like the SDS-8. Amazing how these two machines > cost about the same today compared to 1. - what they can do. 2. - What > they cost new. > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Thomas P. Heckmann Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB
2010-02-23 by jesper
Thomas Heckmann skrev: > ...to calm everyone down here, you can still get great bargains ;-) > I just bought a Tama Techstar for € 110.- from Ebay ! I saw one at 171... which did you buy. The 305 is still the best imho. -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-23 by Patrice Jacquot
I agree so much ... Le 23 f�vr. 10 � 10:27, jesper a �crit : > brian walker skrev: > > Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! > --- > > Get on and off when you feel you can afford it > > > > At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the gear > > that I have > > Good summary Brian. These days I don't buy as much as I did, but > when I > did, I went for the machines with bad rep and those described as > "quirky" since it gave me a lot for my invested cash and also expanded > the sonic horizon. > In the Simmons world this "quirkyness" can be applied to SDS-7 which > has > a reputation of breaking down if you just look at it. In my experience > it's not true, and therefor still an OK deal on the 2nd hand market > compared to a workhorse like the SDS-8. Amazing how these two machines > cost about the same today compared to 1. - what they can do. 2. - What > they cost new. > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-02-23 by Patrice Jacquot
yes Brian I fully agree... but what I wanna point is : where do we see everybody wanting it ? a few guys yes... a few fans ... a few people who like the sound. but it's definitely not the 80's again. I think the main reason people get excited about simmons & simmons are rare, is that owners never wanted to sell them for so low having bought them for so much. they are so rare , but so many has been sold ... Where are they today ? ok so quite a lot went also to the bin... so how many are really used today ? Therefore I have to add that speaking with a spanish a technician- collector that wanted 1000e for a basic SDS7, he said that for him it was the componants spares that gave the value for them ... So the CEM curtis I suppose... & in a way why not ... ? But as Jesper he's saying ... Whatever there is in it ... what can it do ? & that's normally what the musician /DJ or programmer is expecting the most, without caring for the inside... I guess that's a mixing of every influences that makes this craziness sometimes... But what everybody is forgetting , it's the maintenance it will need very soon ... All that valuable SSM or CEM are probably closer to their death than ever. The Eproms as well ... the capacitors all need to be changed 20 years later... We're looking at that state points when buying a car ... negociating the price in function of the state of the machine which forces us to face a reality. The musician forget about that reality I think. lost in the fantasy world of sound... so does the collector ... There is the cosmetic appearance... & the hours it played... We shouldn't forget that when buying... My both SDS7 need a big lifting to become reliable for example... If I paid the high price for them it would be exactly the same... For the moment I have a possible source of sounds for recording & it's great... but impossible to bring it on stage... So I'm really glad I thought twice before buying... anyway thanks for bringing elements...:-) It's good to speak about generally untold things ... HAve a nice day :-) Le 23 f�vr. 10 � 10:09, brian walker a �crit : > Hi All > > >But the musician's point of view is not exactly the same as the > > collector's view... > > Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! > > A lot of old (and not so old) gear is sold off to by musicians to > repay debts and by investors to move on to something else that is HOT > > The whole music / fashion business is a circular thing > > Issue at as high a price as the market will stand > > Reduce price and sell old unwanted stock (TB-303 for �89:00)) > > Second hand prices slowly fall (303 now �25:00) > > Someone has a hit using said instrument and everybody wants one (303 > �1000) > > One of those sorry that was last years fashion!!! (303 �500) > > Savvy musicians spot a good deal and prices rise > > Everybody moves in and prices rocket again (303 �1500) > > Bad investment and the instrument is dumped > > Join the circle and go round again > > Get on and off when you feel you can afford it > > At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the gear > that I have > > Brian > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, jesper <jesper@...> wrote: > > From: jesper <jesper@...> > Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] bloody absurd > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:29 PM > > > > rubbus skrev: > > > Any item or service is worth exactly what someone is willing to > pay for > > > it. The market will decide and correct. :) > > Certainly! > > -- > > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > > www.electronic- obsession. se > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-02-23 by Patrice Jacquot
Ah ah Thomas ... ;-) Congratulations for the tama... How much would you sell it for then ? :-) Le 23 févr. 10 à 12:45, Thomas Heckmann a écrit :
> ...to calm everyone down here, you can still get great bargains ;-) > I just bought a Tama Techstar for € 110.- from Ebay ! > > Best and let's get back to really interesting Simmons things !!!! > > Thomas > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:27 AM, jesper wrote: > >> brian walker skrev: >>> Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! >> --- >>> Get on and off when you feel you can afford it >>> >>> At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the gear >>> that I have >> >> Good summary Brian. These days I don't buy as much as I did, but >> when I >> did, I went for the machines with bad rep and those described as >> "quirky" since it gave me a lot for my invested cash and also >> expanded >> the sonic horizon. >> In the Simmons world this "quirkyness" can be applied to SDS-7 >> which has >> a reputation of breaking down if you just look at it. In my >> experience >> it's not true, and therefor still an OK deal on the 2nd hand market >> compared to a workhorse like the SDS-8. Amazing how these two >> machines >> cost about the same today compared to 1. - what they can do. 2. - >> What >> they cost new. >> >> -- >> electronically yours, jesper >> >> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - >> www.electronic-obsession.se >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > Thomas P. Heckmann > Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-02-23 by Thomas Heckmann
;-) as usual I keep the stuff I'm buying for MAKING MUSIC ! But a trade for your SDS III is always considered...hahahaha On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Patrice Jacquot wrote: > Ah ah Thomas ... ;-) > > > Congratulations for the tama... > How much would you sell it for then ? > > :-) > > > Le 23 févr. 10 à 12:45, Thomas Heckmann a écrit : > >> ...to calm everyone down here, you can still get great bargains ;-) >> I just bought a Tama Techstar for € 110.- from Ebay ! >> >> Best and let's get back to really interesting Simmons things !!!! >> >> Thomas >> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:27 AM, jesper wrote: >> >>> brian walker skrev: >>>> Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! >>> --- >>>> Get on and off when you feel you can afford it >>>> >>>> At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the >>>> gear >>>> that I have >>> >>> Good summary Brian. These days I don't buy as much as I did, but >>> when I >>> did, I went for the machines with bad rep and those described as >>> "quirky" since it gave me a lot for my invested cash and also >>> expanded >>> the sonic horizon. >>> In the Simmons world this "quirkyness" can be applied to SDS-7 >>> which has >>> a reputation of breaking down if you just look at it. In my >>> experience >>> it's not true, and therefor still an OK deal on the 2nd hand market >>> compared to a workhorse like the SDS-8. Amazing how these two >>> machines >>> cost about the same today compared to 1. - what they can do. 2. - >>> What >>> they cost new. >>> >>> -- >>> electronically yours, jesper >>> >>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - >>> www.electronic-obsession.se >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> Thomas P. Heckmann >> Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Thomas P. Heckmann Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB
2010-02-23 by jesper
Patrice Jacquot skrev: > But what everybody is forgetting , it's the maintenance it will need > very soon ... All that valuable SSM or CEM are probably closer to > their death than ever. > The Eproms as well ... the capacitors all need to be changed 20 years > later... I have hopes of CEM's and SSM's getting re-made just like so many other odd parts of the past. Also, I have synths which are a decade or so older (minimoog, odyssey, SEM etc) and they have all needed very little fixing this far. All old things fail sooner or later and yes, you need to have cash or skills or both to fix it, but it can be done. Also, the _SOUND_ still kicks every Alesis, Yamaha and Roland butt out there. :D BTW, of all my Simmons gear it's most likely so that the "fragile" SDS-7 is the one which has seen most gigs, having toured with Ultravox. Maybe a "tuesday-copy"? ;) -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-23 by Patrice Jacquot
absolutely... yes I agree, ...the SOUND kicks & that's why we're here ;-) but not all spotty teenagers know that for the moment... the day they will, then the market will really explose ...& not virtually... I profit to apology about english lanquage mistakes I made (& make ...) ... Anyway ... Le 23 févr. 10 à 16:38, jesper a écrit :
> Patrice Jacquot skrev: >> But what everybody is forgetting , it's the maintenance it will need >> very soon ... All that valuable SSM or CEM are probably closer to >> their death than ever. >> The Eproms as well ... the capacitors all need to be changed 20 years >> later... > > I have hopes of CEM's and SSM's getting re-made just like so many > other > odd parts of the past. Also, I have synths which are a decade or so > older (minimoog, odyssey, SEM etc) and they have all needed very > little > fixing this far. > > All old things fail sooner or later and yes, you need to have cash or > skills or both to fix it, but it can be done. > > Also, the _SOUND_ still kicks every Alesis, Yamaha and Roland butt out > there. > > :D > > BTW, of all my Simmons gear it's most likely so that the "fragile" > SDS-7 > is the one which has seen most gigs, having toured with Ultravox. > Maybe > a "tuesday-copy"? ;) > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-02-23 by Thomas Heckmann
Of course the TS305...I sold my first one in 1994, but couldn't resist it with this price :-) The sequencer is also cool and worth having from Tama... On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:28 PM, jesper wrote: > Thomas Heckmann skrev: >> ...to calm everyone down here, you can still get great bargains ;-) >> I just bought a Tama Techstar for € 110.- from Ebay ! > > I saw one at 171... which did you buy. The 305 is still the best imho. > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Thomas P. Heckmann Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB
2010-02-23 by jesper
Thomas Heckmann skrev: > Of course the TS305...I sold my first one in 1994, but couldn't > resist it with this price :-) > The sequencer is also cool and worth having from Tama... I've owned 305, 305, 500 but have only kept the 206 because of the clap. unfortunately it suddenly failed me and I haven't had time to check it out. The rimshot on the 305 is one of the best sounding knob-infested analogue "channels" out there, that isn't a Simmons, IMHO. The Tamas are way to big for a small studio setup though. Stupid design, much like the SDS-8. -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-24 by jesper
jesper skrev: > I've owned 305, 305, 500 but have only kept the 206 because of the clap. 204 that is... -- electronically yours, jesper - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - www.electronic-obsession.se
2010-02-26 by Thomas Heckmann
I've got that, too...I modified the modulation on the Synth channel to get more and faster modulation... the Clap is a bit like the Boss Handclapper, but good. Back to bargains and Simmons, I also bought a Trixer in mint condition for € 80.- a month ago, but the great thing is that it's a MK II version ! Never knew there was one and the MK II has 8 soundbanks instead of four ! So I guess they just put all the expansion cards into it :-) But I also have to say that it's a bit bulky ! I just read in an old E&MM review of a SDS 1, that the reviewer was asking for an analogue SDS 1 with SDS V modules in it...would have been great to have a pad with a channel of the SDS V built in... A nice weekend to all, Thomas On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:43 AM, jesper wrote: > jesper skrev: >> I've owned 305, 305, 500 but have only kept the 206 because of the >> clap. > > 204 that is... > > -- > electronically yours, jesper > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > www.electronic-obsession.se > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Thomas P. Heckmann Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB
2010-03-02 by Jacquot.Patrice@free.fr
kleine filou ... :-) Selon Thomas Heckmann <troperecordings@...>:
> ;-) as usual I keep the stuff I'm buying for MAKING MUSIC ! > But a trade for your SDS III is always considered...hahahaha > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Patrice Jacquot wrote: > > > Ah ah Thomas ... ;-) > > > > > > Congratulations for the tama... > > How much would you sell it for then ? > > > > :-) > > > > > > Le 23 f\ufffdvr. 10 \ufffd 12:45, Thomas Heckmann a \ufffdcrit : > > > >> ...to calm everyone down here, you can still get great bargains ;-) > >> I just bought a Tama Techstar for \ufffd 110.- from Ebay ! > >> > >> Best and let's get back to really interesting Simmons things !!!! > >> > >> Thomas > >> > >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:27 AM, jesper wrote: > >> > >>> brian walker skrev: > >>>> Then there is the speculator and the investor and the tax man!!! > >>> --- > >>>> Get on and off when you feel you can afford it > >>>> > >>>> At the moment I am sitting it out and enjoying playing with the > >>>> gear > >>>> that I have > >>> > >>> Good summary Brian. These days I don't buy as much as I did, but > >>> when I > >>> did, I went for the machines with bad rep and those described as > >>> "quirky" since it gave me a lot for my invested cash and also > >>> expanded > >>> the sonic horizon. > >>> In the Simmons world this "quirkyness" can be applied to SDS-7 > >>> which has > >>> a reputation of breaking down if you just look at it. In my > >>> experience > >>> it's not true, and therefor still an OK deal on the 2nd hand market > >>> compared to a workhorse like the SDS-8. Amazing how these two > >>> machines > >>> cost about the same today compared to 1. - what they can do. 2. - > >>> What > >>> they cost new. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> electronically yours, jesper > >>> > >>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - > >>> www.electronic-obsession.se > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Thomas P. Heckmann > >> Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Thomas P. Heckmann > Trope Recordings - AFU limited - AFULAB > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >