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Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-20 by haroldeastman1984@...

I love black and white photography. And since I’m on a budget, I was intrigued by the prospect of 4-color printing on a cheap Epson with MIS EZ inks.


I took the plunge and purchased an Epson C88+ from Amazon and a set of Neutral/Matte EZ ink cartridges from MIS. Both came yesterday after a wait of only a few days. Kudos especially to MIS for the quick service.


But so far, “EZ” it hasn’t been. :-)


I’ve decided to chronicle my printing efforts on this forum because, a) I gather there’s a lot of knowledge and experience here with alternate inks and machines, and b) because there seems to be a scarcity of coherent and current information about the C8x plus EZ ink process on the web. Perhaps you all can help me lay a trail of bread crumbs through these posts for others who are new to this approach.


The story begins with my next post. Thanks in advance for suggestions and insights.


Re: [Digital BW] Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-20 by Sanders McNew

I thought the Cxx series had been discontinued. Is there a successor Epson machine that uses the EZ inkset? Or is our only option the 1430 these days? I just want to print gorgeous B&W on 5x7 inch papers.

C. Sanders McNew
McNEW P.A.
2385 NW Executive Center Drive
Suite 100
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
v 561.299.0257
f 561.299.3705

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2015, at 2:37 PM, haroldeastman1984@yahoo.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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I love black and white photography. And since I’m on a budget, I was intrigued by the prospect of 4-color printing on a cheap Epson with MIS EZ inks.


I took the plunge and purchased an Epson C88+ from Amazon and a set of Neutral/Matte EZ ink cartridges from MIS. Both came yesterday after a wait of only a few days. Kudos especially to MIS for the quick service.


But so far, “EZ” it hasn’t been. :-)


I’ve decided to chronicle my printing efforts on this forum because, a) I gather there’s a lot of knowledge and experience here with alternate inks and machines, and b) because there seems to be a scarcity of coherent and current information about the C8x plus EZ ink process on the web. Perhaps you all can help me lay a trail of bread crumbs through these posts for others who are new to this approach.


The story begins with my next post. Thanks in advance for suggestions and insights.


Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-20 by haroldeastman1984@...

As soon as my Epson 88+ and EZ inks arrived, I put it all together. When I first opened the box from MIS, I got a slight shock when I saw three color-coded cartridges. I thought all four were supposed to be black and white! And, of course, they were, as I saw when I read the cart labels more closely.


Did I mention I’m new to this…?


I went to Paul Roark’s BW section <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/> and then to his workflow suggestions for the C88+ <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/C86-EZ-UT-Readme.htm>


The workflow is very detailed, but also dated: October 6, 2010. At one point, Paul references Photoshop CS2. I’m working with Photoshop CC 2014. And as you know, Adobe and other software makers love to improve their software, which always means lots of tinkering with things like print dialog boxes. Suffice it to say that, for a complete beginner at this stuff (me), it was difficult to translate the four-year-old settings.


I hasten to add two things here.

1. Paul responded to an email query of mine yesterday within hours, and has answered a couple of more since. (More about the subject later.) He is obviously a stand-up guy.

2. Paul has no responsibility to keep updating workflows. It would be an unending and thankless task.


Nonetheless, I’d hit my first roadblock.


And it was worse than just not being able to accurately set print settings in Photoshop. You may laugh, but I still can’t guess for sure from the workflow document whether I should send a colour file to the printer from Photoshop (and let the ink set do the “conversion”) or if I should send a BW file. See comment above about being new to this.


Enough for this entry. But stay tuned. It seems to be getting worse before it gets better.

Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-20 by haroldeastman1984@...

Previously on “Lost” [In EZ Ink Land]…

I had my C88+ loaded with my EZ ink set, but was puzzling over print settings from four years ago.


So…here’s the next chapter. [I should probably indicate at this point that I’m working on a Mac Pro with OS X Yosemite installed. Just so you know.)


I opened a BW .tif file in Photoshop, set image size, resolution to 300 dpi, mode to greyscale (it was RGB for some reason), made my best guess at translating print dialog settings from Photoshop CS2 to Photoshop CC 2014…and hit print.


The printer whizzed away busily and a few minutes later kicked out...


...a blank sheet of paper.


I tried various settings in Photoshop, then tried printing from Lightroom 5 and Preview 8. Nada.


So I fired off an email to MIS, and also to Paul Roark. I got a nice job ticket number and the promise of follow-up from MIS, and to my great surprise, an actual reply from Paul. He suggested that the problem might be that I hadn’t removed the plugs/tapes from the air intake vents in the EZ carts.


It sounded like he had it right. But where were those pesky vents? I went to the online instruction sheets at the MIS site and found the cart I guessed was the model they’d sent me. The somewhat obscure sheet gave instructions for refilling and went on to say, “Be sure to remove the foil covering the vent hole. Some carts come with foil, some don't. The vent hole on top of the sponge section must be open or the cartridge will not work.”


Ummm. Okay.


No foil, unless the're colored strips on the color position carts. But working from the images on the online instruction sheet, I was able to infer which openings were probably the vents. Except that these vents on my carts were plugged with coloured tabs with a stern warning Do Not Remove.


Being somewhat between a rock and a hard place instructions-wise, I decided to remove them anyway.


And voila: prints! Bad prints with lots of fine lines, but prints none the less.


It looked like the beginning of the end of my initial woes. Just run some cleanings, then I could start to fine tune my prints until I’d get results that would make Ansel Adams weep with envy.


But my woes have continued. Stay tuned…

Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-20 by haroldeastman1984@...

Previously on “Lost” [In EZ Ink Land]…

I managed to solve my “cart vent” woes (maybe) by pulling the vent plug tabs, and was finally getting (streaky) prints from my Epson C88/EZ Ink combo…


I’ve seen plenty of inkjet prints with lines before, and the problem usually went away with a few head cleanings.


So I ran the Epson Utility nozzle check and cleaning programs on the EZ carts. The first time the nozzle check pattern was very broken up. Four successive cleanings saw significant improvements.


But then everything stopped and the ink button on my C88 started flashing red. When I pressed the button, it moved the carts to an indicator that showed my photo black cart as empty.


I tried various button pushes, turning the printer on and off, restarting the computer, but to no avail. When I dropped the original Epson carts back in, all was well. But when I returned the EZ inks, I got the flashing red ink light again.


And that’s where things stand.


I’m hoping this account will make more interesting reading in the future as I tweak settings and experiment with paper on my way to A. Adams-style perfection on a budget.


But until I can get the C88 printing again, that won’t be happening. :-) I’m away all day tomorrow, but will be back at it Sunday.


Suggestions welcome.

Re: [Digital BW] Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-20 by Paul Roark

The "EZ" approach requires a 4-ink printer that does not have the light as well as the dark color inks. I have an Epson WorkForce 1100 printer in my office as my main general purpose printer. It has 2 black positions to double the text printing speed. Aside from that, the workflorce machines are 4-ink, ,which means then work as "EZ" printers. That is how I have the 1100 set up. So, there are still machines that support that approach. You may need to fill your own carts, however (or find a CIS that fits). See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1100.pdf

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Sanders McNew sanders@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I thought the Cxx series had been discontinued. Is there a successor Epson machine that uses the EZ inkset? Or is our only option the 1430 these days? I just want to print gorgeous B&W on 5x7 inch papers.

C. Sanders McNew
McNEW P.A.
2385 NW Executive Center Drive
Suite 100
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2015, at 2:37 PM, haroldeastman1984@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I love black and white photography. And since I’m on a budget, I was intrigued by the prospect of 4-color printing on a cheap Epson with MIS EZ inks.


I took the plunge and purchased an Epson C88+ from Amazon and a set of Neutral/Matte EZ ink cartridges from MIS. Both came yesterday after a wait of only a few days. Kudos especially to MIS for the quick service.


But so far, “EZ” it hasn’t been. :-)


I’ve decided to chronicle my printing efforts on this forum because, a) I gather there’s a lot of knowledge and experience here with alternate inks and machines, and b) because there seems to be a scarcity of coherent and current information about the C8x plus EZ ink process on the web. Perhaps you all can help me lay a trail of bread crumbs through these posts for others who are new to this approach.


The story begins with my next post. Thanks in advance for suggestions and insights.



Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-20 by Paul Roark

​The C88 works fine. There are more modern Epson printers, including the 13" wide 1100 (or whatever replaced it) that continue to allow that "EZ" type of ink setup. The approach, in other words, is not limited to the C88 machines.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, haroldeastman1984@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sorry, Paul, I'm not quite understanding your last post. Are you saying that the C88 no longer works with the EZ ink sets?


Thanks,
Harold


RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-21 by Nigel Richards

Maybe after the repeated cleaning cycles the “black” ink cartridge is really empty, or maybe it was faulty to start with. Have you checked the ink levels?





If the printer works fine with the Epson carts then I would suspect that there is nothing wrong with it.





Good Luck


 



Nigel in the UK
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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks








Previously on “Lost” [In EZ Ink Land]…


I managed to solve my “cart vent” woes (maybe) by pulling the vent plug tabs, and was finally getting (streaky) prints from my Epson C88/EZ Ink combo…





I’ve seen plenty of inkjet prints with lines before, and the problem usually went away with a few head cleanings.





So I ran the Epson Utility nozzle check and cleaning programs on the EZ carts. The first time the nozzle check pattern was very broken up. Four successive cleanings saw significant improvements.





But then everything stopped and the ink button on my C88 started flashing red. When I pressed the button, it moved the carts to an indicator that showed my photo black cart as empty.





I tried various button pushes, turning the printer on and off, restarting the computer, but to no avail. When I dropped the original Epson carts back in, all was well. But when I returned the EZ inks, I got the flashing red ink light again.





And that’s where things stand.





I’m hoping this account will make more interesting reading in the future as I tweak settings and experiment with paper on my way to A. Adams-style perfection on a budget.





But until I can get the C88 printing again, that won’t be happening. :-) I’m away all day tomorrow, but will be back at it Sunday.





Suggestions welcome.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-22 by haroldeastman1984@...

Nigel,

Thanks for the reply and suggestion. Sorry it's taken me a while to respond.

I can see the ink through the translucent cart wall and there still appears to be plenty. I suspect the problem has arisen from some kind of airlock I may have created in the cart by popping plugs in and out; or by some resetting of the cart chip.

I'm now in contact with support at MIS, so should be able to figure it out.

Again, thanks for the response.

Regards,

Harold

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-22 by Nigel Richards

Hi,

 

But does the printer think there is plenty of ink in the cartridge?   All could be explained if the printer really believes there is no ink in that specific cartridge irrespective of how much ink is actually in it!  

 

Are these refillable cartridges, is there a procedure to reset the chip?  

 

Good Luck

 

Nigel
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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

 

  

Nigel,

 

Thanks for the reply and suggestion. Sorry it's taken me a while to respond.

 

I can see the ink through the translucent cart wall and there still appears to be plenty. I suspect the problem has arisen from some kind of airlock I may have created in the cart by popping plugs in and out; or by some resetting of the cart chip.

 

I'm now in contact with support at MIS, so should be able to figure it out.

 

Again, thanks for the response.

 

Regards,

 

Harold

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-23 by haroldeastman1984@...

Yes, I think you're probably right -the printer is getting erroneous information from the cart for whatever reason, and is signalling that the black has run out.

Also, yes it is a refillable cart.

As soon as I hear from MIS support, I'll post what they suggest here.

H.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-23 by Paul Roark

Some of the auto-reset chips require that you remove the cart and re-insert it. You might try that.

If it's not auto-reset, you should have a resetter.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:18 AM, haroldeastman1984@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Yes, I think you're probably right -the printer is getting erroneous information from the cart for whatever reason, and is signalling that the black has run out.


Also, yes it is a refillable cart.

As soon as I hear from MIS support, I'll post what they suggest here.

H.


Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-23 by haroldeastman1984@...

I've had the cart in and out of the machine several times without effect, so my guess is that you're right and I need a resetter.

I'm waiting for further word on the subject from MIS support.

Thanks for the suggestions.

H.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-24 by Brubaker family

You will find that the ATC chips cannot be reset with a resetter.  Trying to do so can damage the ARC chip.  Per MIS.

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-25 by brian_downunda@...

My understanding is that at least some ARC can be reset with a resetter. I'm fairly sure that the InkJetMall desktop ones can - I do it. But I also think that there are some you can't. I don't know about whether you might damage ones that you can't reset.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-25 by haroldeastman1984@...

Thanks to brian and burbler family for the comments on the chip resetting issue.

I've had the carts in and out of the printer several times and according to MIS support, this may have scrambled things up in the printer and/or chips. They gave me a hard reset procedure for the printer, which I performed to no avail, unfortunately.

I'm waiting for their response. When I get a fix that works, I'll post it.

Thanks again to all those who have pitched in with ideas.

H.

Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-25 by paulmwhiting@...

This bit of information may not apply directly to the issues raised here, but I'll throw it out there and perhaps some will find it useful.

I bought a set of empty carts for my 1400 from Inkjet Mall:

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/it.A/id.5597/.f?sc=11&category=122594


Jon Cone claims his carts contain chips that work in all incarnations of the 1400 and 1430, and are manually resettable with a resetter also available from him. Again, I realize this printer is not being discussed here but perhaps InkjetMall has other empty cartridge sets for the C88 printers that are manually resettable. I was never quite comfortable with the ARC types of carts.

My $0.02,

Paul

Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-25 by brian_downunda@...

I don't believe that InkJetMall has carts for the C88+ - they only sell carts for printers that can run the inkets they sell.

There was a post on the IJM forum in the past few days about the resetter itself getting jammed. Apparently you need to remove and reinsert the batteries. Never seen this myself, but I guess it can happen.
http://www.inkjetmall.com/tech/showthread.php?1429-yellow-cartridge-not-original&p=6987&viewfull=1#post6987

Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-26 by Bill Lewis

Ihave been refilling for 20 years and several years ago bought a 1430 and had ARC problems. I finally went back to OEM cartridges and a chip resetter and have not had an issue. I buy empty OEM carts on Ebay. Some where around 20 to 30 resets the chip dies and can not be reset so reset prior to filling to avoid wasting ink. Bill Lewis

Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-26 by haroldeastman1984@...

Paul,

Thanks for your suggestion. I would love to use the Cone inks because I've read good stuff about them.

I have a sneaking feeling that I bet on the wrong horse with MIS and the C88. I was captivated by the idea of getting quality prints from a $100 printer, the C88. Too captivated, looks like.

As for empty carts from InkJetMall, I checked on their web-site and discovered that they don't sell them for the C88.

Thanks for the suggestion. I may indeed need to rethink matters and move to a 1400 or 1430 and a set of Cone inks. Pricier, but perhaps the only real option.

Harold


---In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote :

This bit of information may not apply directly to the issues raised here, but I'll throw it out there and perhaps some will find it useful.

I bought a set of empty carts for my 1400 from Inkjet Mall:

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/it.A/id.5597/.f?sc=11&category=122594


Jon Cone claims his carts contain chips that work in all incarnations of the 1400 and 1430, and are manually resettable with a resetter also available from him. Again, I realize this printer is not being discussed here but perhaps InkjetMall has other empty cartridge sets for the C88 printers that are manually resettable. I was never quite comfortable with the ARC types of carts.

My $0.02,

Paul

Re: Getting Started With Epson C88+ and EZ Inks

2015-03-26 by haroldeastman1984@...

You're right on the re-useable cartridges for the C88 not being available from InkJetMall. I checked their web site.

Thanks for the link to the IJM forum. I don't have a resetter yet, but I'll file this away for the time when it may come in handy. :-)

H.


---In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <brian_downunda@...> wrote :

I don't believe that InkJetMall has carts for the C88+ - they only sell carts for printers that can run the inkets they sell.

There was a post on the IJM forum in the past few days about the resetter itself getting jammed. Apparently you need to remove and reinsert the batteries. Never seen this myself, but I guess it can happen.
http://www.inkjetmall.com/tech/showthread.php?1429-yellow-cartridge-not-original&p=6987&viewfull=1#post6987

Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

2015-04-01 by Sanders McNew

So, on a related note:

I’ve been printing for years in the darkroom with Adox MCC 110 and its predecessor, Agfa MCC 111. For those of you onlist who are ambidextrous, can any of you recommend an inkjet paper that might come close to the tones and surface appearance of these Agfa.Adox silver gelatin baryta papers? I’m probably going to buy an inkjet printer this week — still not sure what it will be — for printing 5x7s and occasional 8x10s, and the look of the Agfa/Adox darkroom prints is what I’m hoping to approach. Any/all suggestions are very much appreciated.

Regards,

Sanders McNew


On Mar 26, 2015, at 11:06 AM, haroldeastman1984@yahoo.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks for the tip. Going to the 1430 is an option I'm considering if I can't get results from the MIS/C88 combo.


H.


RE: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

2015-04-01 by Elliot Puritz

Hi Sanders:

 

What inks?

 

Elliot
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So, on a related note: 

 

I’ve been printing for years in the darkroom with Adox MCC 110 and its predecessor, Agfa MCC 111.  For those of you onlist who are ambidextrous, can any of you recommend an inkjet paper that might come close to the tones and surface appearance of these Agfa.Adox silver gelatin baryta papers?  I’m probably going to buy an inkjet printer this week — still not sure what it will be — for printing 5x7s and occasional 8x10s, and the look of the Agfa/Adox darkroom prints is what I’m hoping to approach.  Any/all suggestions are very much appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Sanders McNew

www.flickr.com/sandersnyc

 

 

On Mar 26, 2015, at 11:06 AM, haroldeastman1984@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

  

Thanks for the tip. Going to the 1430 is an option I'm considering if I can't get results from the MIS/C88 combo.

 

H.

Re: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

2015-04-01 by Sanders McNew

You tell me.

I’m thinking of (1) an Epson 1430-ish kind of printer with a Roark-approved B+W pigment inkset, or (2) a Canon Pixma Pro-100 with dye inks. I keep waffling around and have come to the conclusion I should just buy something and print instead of succumbing to the paralysis of indecision.

The thing I worry about losing with inkjets, based on my experiences from 10 years ago, is the surface texture of my darkroom prints — I like seeing the image in the paper instead of on it, if that makes any sense. I’m thinking maybe a dye-based inkset with the right paper might get me to some close approximation of a darkroom print. I gather that permanence is an issue. But I am 57 and I’m printing for my own pleasure so who cares if the image is faded in 100 years?


On Apr 1, 2015, at 4:51 PM, 'Elliot Puritz' drpuritz@cfl.rr.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Sanders:

What inks?

Elliot

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Subject: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

So, on a related note:

I’ve been printing for years in the darkroom with Adox MCC 110 and its predecessor, Agfa MCC 111. For those of you onlist who are ambidextrous, can any of you recommend an inkjet paper that might come close to the tones and surface appearance of these Agfa.Adox silver gelatin baryta papers? I’m probably going to buy an inkjet printer this week — still not sure what it will be — for printing 5x7s and occasional 8x10s, and the look of the Agfa/Adox darkroom prints is what I’m hoping to approach. Any/all suggestions are very much appreciated.

Regards,

Sanders McNew

On Mar 26, 2015, at 11:06 AM, haroldeastman1984@yahoo.com[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks for the tip. Going to the 1430 is an option I'm considering if I can't get results from the MIS/C88 combo.

H.



RE: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

2015-04-01 by Elliot Puritz

I believe your questions are similar to ones that have confronted almost all digital photographers Sanders-especially those who have ( as we both have ) an extensive experience in the analog darkroom.  Perhaps it might be best to take our subsequent discussions into a private venue.  Email me at your convenience.

 

Drpuritz@...

 

Elliot
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You tell me.   

 

I’m thinking of (1) an Epson 1430-ish kind of printer with a Roark-approved B+W pigment inkset, or (2) a Canon Pixma Pro-100 with dye inks.  I keep waffling around and have come to the conclusion I should just buy something and print instead of succumbing to the paralysis of indecision.   

 

The thing I worry about losing with inkjets, based on my experiences from 10 years ago, is the surface texture of my darkroom prints — I like seeing the image in the paper instead of on it, if that makes any sense.  I’m thinking maybe a dye-based inkset with the right paper might get me to some close approximation of a darkroom print.  I gather that permanence is an issue.  But I am 57 and I’m printing for my own pleasure so who cares if the image is faded in 100 years?

 

 

On Apr 1, 2015, at 4:51 PM, 'Elliot Puritz' drpuritz@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Hi Sanders:

 

What inks?

 

Elliot

 

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Subject: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

 

  

So, on a related note: 

 

I’ve been printing for years in the darkroom with Adox MCC 110 and its predecessor, Agfa MCC 111.  For those of you onlist who are ambidextrous, can any of you recommend an inkjet paper that might come close to the tones and surface appearance of these Agfa.Adox silver gelatin baryta papers?  I’m probably going to buy an inkjet printer this week — still not sure what it will be — for printing 5x7s and occasional 8x10s, and the look of the Agfa/Adox darkroom prints is what I’m hoping to approach.  Any/all suggestions are very much appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Sanders McNew

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On Mar 26, 2015, at 11:06 AM,  <mailto:haroldeastman1984@...> haroldeastman1984@...[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] < <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

  

Thanks for the tip. Going to the 1430 is an option I'm considering if I can't get results from the MIS/C88 combo.

 

H.

Re: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

2015-04-01 by LOPERA Juanjo

Hi Sanders,


I'm a Classical printer too with over 40 years of Darkroom behind me.  I agree with you about tha great difference between the image been IN the Print rather than ON the print. As a professional printer I've spent some time  testing many Ink-Paper combinations for that purpose.


If you want to achieve that classical look of AGFA MCC, Record Classic, etc, you'll never get similar results with cotton papers (that's for aquarelists)
My advice is  go easy and do not complicate things. Sometimes things are easier than we think.


Try this:  Epson Stylus Pro (say 3880 for instance) with native Ultrachrome K3 inks, in ABW mode / Neutral / Darker / +2Y +4M / +3 luminosity over Ilford Galerie Gold fiber silk and launch the print from Lightroom with +2 Bright + 4 contrast at the bottom dialog of the settings panel.
It works too with Canson Baryta Photographique.


Providing that you've your file correctly adjusted, you'll get a marvelous print with deep and silky Blacks and Vivid Lights. And it will look as an ilford Multigrade fiber copy with no ugly differences between printed area and margins.
Starting from here, you can achieve a warmer tone as for an Agfa Paper developed with Neutol WA, just varying Y and M sliders.


hope this Helps.


Best regards,


Juanjo


El 01/04/2015, a las 23:35, "Sanders McNew sanders@mcnew.net [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> escribió:
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> You tell me.
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> I’m thinking of (1) an Epson 1430-ish kind of printer with a Roark-approved B+W pigment inkset, or (2) a Canon Pixma Pro-100 with dye inks.  I keep waffling around and have come to the conclusion I should just buy something and print instead of succumbing to the paralysis of indecision.
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> The thing I worry about losing with inkjets, based on my experiences from 10 years ago, is the surface texture of my darkroom prints — I like seeing the image in the paper instead of on it, if that makes any sense.  I’m thinking maybe a dye-based inkset with the right paper might get me to some close approximation of a darkroom print.  I gather that permanence is an issue.  But I am 57 and I’m printing for my own pleasure so who cares if the image is faded in 100 years?
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>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 4:06 PM
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>> Subject: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?
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>> So, on a related note:
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>> I’ve been printing for years in the darkroom with Adox MCC 110 and its predecessor, Agfa MCC 111.  For those of you onlist who are ambidextrous, can any of you recommend an inkjet paper that might come close to the tones and surface appearance of these Agfa.Adox silver gelatin baryta papers?  I’m probably going to buy an inkjet printer this week — still not sure what it will be — for printing 5x7s and occasional 8x10s, and the look of the Agfa/Adox darkroom prints is what I’m hoping to approach.  Any/all suggestions are very much appreciated.
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>>> On Mar 26, 2015, at 11:06 AM, haroldeastman1984@...[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>> Thanks for the tip. Going to the 1430 is an option I'm considering if I can't get results from the MIS/C88 combo.
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Re: [Digital BW] Digital equivalents for Agfa MCC 111 (Adox MCC 110) baryta paper?

2015-04-02 by Ernst Dinkla

On comparable paper whites; there are measurements of developed silver halide prints in SpectrumViz too for the Ilford (Harman manufactured) analogue B&W papers. Check them against the Harman and Harman by HM, Fiber and Baryta papers. That does not tell much about the way the ink is absorbed but gives a good starting point for the whites.

An extra print run with Gloss Enhancer or a good protection spray can improve the absorbed ink impression.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots


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