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DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-24 by Brett

Hello, everyone.  I hope all is okay with everyone, it's been a while 
since I've posted, although I have trolled in the background 
everyday.  I'm getting ready to move to the next step and purchase a 
second DTX2 and combine the two seperate brains together.  I'm a 
little curious as to the best way to accomplish this task.  Should I 
do a straight MIDI connection between the two, maybe use a mixer to 
do this, or maybe a combo of the both?  I'm not really sure.  I'm not 
currently playing in any live situations, so that is not a factor to 
consider.  Any, and all help, is always appreciated.  Thanks in 
advance...

Brett

Re: DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-24 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett" <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> Should I do a straight MIDI connection between the two, maybe use 
a mixer to 
> do this, or maybe a combo of the both?  I'm not really sure.  I'm 
not 
> currently playing in any live situations

Hey Brett,

How's it going? Unless you use a mixer (audio outputs from the 
Yamahas to audio inputs on the mixer--not MIDI), and plan on adding 
a lot of new pads to your kit, you may be wasting money on a second 
module. Otherwise, buy a Roland TMC-6 for extra inputs and connect 
it to your current DTXPIIU via MIDI to draw your voices for them. 
You'll have a limited number of free midi notes in your module to 
use, but under ordinary conditions, it'll probably be enough. That's 
basically what I do. So far as what mixer to get, I personally like 
the Rolls line of electronics for small applications like yours. The 
Rolls MX28, which has three stereo 1/4" L/R inputs, 1/4" outputs, 
and a headphone jack, is small, well made, and relatively 
inexpensive ($80), but I'm sure that other members will have 
different recommendations.

Ed

Re: DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-24 by moosetication

--- Brett wrote:
> Should I do a straight MIDI connection between the
> two, maybe use a mixer to do this, or maybe a combo

I think to an extent this depends on your desire and willingness to 
tweak. MIDI (either a second brain or a pad-to-MIDI wangdoodle) 
would certainly require some time wandering the highways and byways 
of the menus and options on both wangdoodle and brain - and, judging 
by some of the previous messages here, that can lead to frustration. 
Me, I quite like that stuff and it generally takes several hours of 
frustrated tinkerage before I have an urgent need to solve the 
problem by applying a torque wrench and E=(1/2)mv^2. If your boiling 
point is lower, then the mixer route is probably favourite as it 
should just be plug'n'go. You can plumb the 'phones out of one brain 
through the AUX IN of the other for a low-cost approach, or get an 
inexpensive mixer for a bit more flexibility.

Me, I probably fall between the two and whichever way I choose I 
will wish I did it the other way. [sigh] C'est la vie.

(sings) "we're all goin' on a ... summer holiday ... no more 
drummin' for a ... week or three."

Stewart

Re: DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-24 by brown8700

Brett:
I'm using two DTX brains, and have them linked together via a 
Behringer MX802 mixer.
Since I'm using my kit in a live application, I've directed certain 
drums sounds to distinct channels. This way, I can mix and EQ my 
sound on the fly. Here's how I have it set up:

Brain One:
Bass/Tympani     R=63
Snare/Rim Shots/Side Stick     L=63

Brain Two:
Cymbals and Metallic Percussion     R=63
Toms and Organic Percussion     L=63

Plus, If we're using a sound man or are in the studio, I can send 
four lines to the main board.

Stephen

Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-25 by Brett

I knew I could count on responses from you all, thank
you so much for taking the time to help me out.  Sorry
it took a day to respond to your responses, but family
was in town, and I want to see my brothers family
before they grow up to be too old to be loved on.

Anyways...I'm definitely going the route of adding
more pads and parts to my rack, and I've really gotten
to like the DTX2.  Purchasing another kit is pricey,
but more pads, rack parts, and another brain seems to
be gotten through another whole kit.

I think a mixer would be a good purchase for the
linkage, now that mixers can be gotten for a fairly
cheap price.  However, if I decide to just connect the
two brains together via MIDI, I hope it isn't too
complex.  After spending most of my day in a
garage/classroom taking on a new career direction, my
head swims with tons of information and using a
can-opener even seems to be too difficult of a task. 
:)

If anyone else cares to chime in with their ideas, I'd
love to hear them.  Thanks again, all.  Until we meet
up again...

Brett
--- brown8700 <brown8700@...> wrote:
> Brett:
> I'm using two DTX brains, and have them linked
> together via a 
> Behringer MX802 mixer.
> Since I'm using my kit in a live application, I've
> directed certain 
> drums sounds to distinct channels. This way, I can
> mix and EQ my 
> sound on the fly. Here's how I have it set up:
> 
> Brain One:
> Bass/Tympani     R=63
> Snare/Rim Shots/Side Stick     L=63
> 
> Brain Two:
> Cymbals and Metallic Percussion     R=63
> Toms and Organic Percussion     L=63
> 
> Plus, If we're using a sound man or are in the
> studio, I can send 
> four lines to the main board.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 


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RE: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-25 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Brett posted:
> Anyways...I'm definitely going the route of adding
> more pads and parts to my rack, and I've really gotten
> to like the DTX2.  Purchasing another kit is pricey,
> but more pads, rack parts, and another brain seems to
> be gotten through another whole kit.
> 
> Brett,
> 
	When I made my final descision last year to buy the DtxpressII, I
looked at the what else I was going to add to it in the months following my
initial purchase. After all these years, I (and my wife) know that I also
add and add and add and add..........  After pricing out the extra cymbals
and pads and mounting hardware, extra tubes, second interface/module, it
just made more sense to buy a second kit. I took an online ad to Guitar
Center and they price matched and included (2)kick pedals/throne/(2)TRS
cables/Sticks for free. When you consider $100+ per cymbal/mount and $100+
per pad/mount times four or five and then add in a couple of hundred for a
Roland TMC-6+mount plus additional tubes, you are fast approaching the price
of a second kit. Had I simply wanted to add one or two extra cymbals then my
decision would have been different. The more you buy at your initial
purchase the better deal you are going to get.

	OldGuyDrummer 
 
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RE: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-25 by Brett

Well, OldGuyDrummer, I think you've pretty much helped
me reach my final decision on buying a duplicate kit
to expand my original.  Actually, I guess you could
say that your kit is what inspired me.  I love my kit,
but it's much too small for my playing style, and I
need to expand.  Luckily, my better half hasn't
complained yet, and still encourages me to "go for
it".  Yes!!!!

Anyways, thanks to all who have posted in response to
my inquiries, and to those that help keep this site
moving everyday.  Please note that I'm very willing to
keep coming to this particular site if it means having
the resources and drummer-companionship that this
offers, but I'm also willing to move to OGD's site as
well.  It's a very valuable resource being offered to
us, and I'd never say "no" if it meant keeping things
smooth, and everyone happy.  Until next time...

Brett
--- rdamon@... wrote:
> 	Brett posted:
> > Anyways...I'm definitely going the route of adding
> > more pads and parts to my rack, and I've really
> gotten
> > to like the DTX2.  Purchasing another kit is
> pricey,
> > but more pads, rack parts, and another brain seems
> to
> > be gotten through another whole kit.
> > 
> > Brett,
> > 
> 	When I made my final descision last year to buy the
> DtxpressII, I
> looked at the what else I was going to add to it in
> the months following my
> initial purchase. After all these years, I (and my
> wife) know that I also
> add and add and add and add..........  After pricing
> out the extra cymbals
> and pads and mounting hardware, extra tubes, second
> interface/module, it
> just made more sense to buy a second kit. I took an
> online ad to Guitar
> Center and they price matched and included (2)kick
> pedals/throne/(2)TRS
> cables/Sticks for free. When you consider $100+ per
> cymbal/mount and $100+
> per pad/mount times four or five and then add in a
> couple of hundred for a
> Roland TMC-6+mount plus additional tubes, you are
> fast approaching the price
> of a second kit. Had I simply wanted to add one or
> two extra cymbals then my
> decision would have been different. The more you buy
> at your initial
> purchase the better deal you are going to get.
> 
> 	OldGuyDrummer 
>  
>
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RE: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpress 2 Brain Linkage

2003-07-25 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Brett posted:  I'm also willing to move to OGD's site...
> I am glad to be of help to you. 
> The alternate site being discussed is actually Vern's baby
> at....www.dtxpressions.com
> 
	OldGuyDrummer

 
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RE: [DTXpress] Re:Musing OT: "Merge the groups" idea?

2003-07-25 by Vernon Graner

<musing>
Ok, so it occured to me... I s'pose when I get the "email to post on the
forum" thing working, what I could do is sign up an account to receive
mail from this yahoo group so all the posts from it would end up in a
forum topic area on the dtxpressions.com web site... the only thing that
would be a problem is that anytime the yahoo group list got a spam, it
would end up on the dtxpressions.com site as well.... hmmm.... dang.
</musing>

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rdamon@... said:
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> 	 Brett posted:  I'm also willing to move to OGD's site...
>> I am glad to be of help to you.
>> The alternate site being discussed is actually Vern's baby
>> at....www.dtxpressions.com
>>
> 	OldGuyDrummer
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RE: [DTXpress] Re:Musing OT: "Merge the groups" idea?

2003-07-25 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Vern,

To bad there's not a way of spooling the post from dtxpress@yahoogroups.com
into a buffered or "restricted access" forum that only the moderator(system
administrator) has access to, so that a moderator could preview the post
prior to actual posting into a dtxpressions open forum.

OldGuyDrummer
 
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RE: [DTXpress] Re:Musing OT: "Merge the groups" idea?

2003-07-25 by Vernon Graner

I haven't looked through all the admin features in the PHPBB admin
section... there very well might be... :)

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rdamon@... said:
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> Vern,
>
> To bad there's not a way of spooling the post from
> dtxpress@yahoogroups.com
> into a buffered or "restricted access" forum that only the
> moderator(system
> administrator) has access to, so that a moderator could preview the post
> prior to actual posting into a dtxpressions open forum.
>
> OldGuyDrummer
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Re: [DTXpress] Re:Musing OT: "Merge the groups" idea?

2003-07-25 by Stephanie

>  Ok, so it occured to me... I s'pose when I get the "email to post on the
>  forum" thing working, what I could do is sign up an account to receive
>  mail from this yahoo group so all the posts from it would end up in a
>  forum topic area on the dtxpressions.com web site... the only thing that
>  would be a problem is that anytime the yahoo group list got a spam, it
>  would end up on the dtxpressions.com site as well.... hmmm.... dang.

My suggestion is this - let everyone know that this group is moving to the new 
area, and then watch the traffic as time goes on.  If you're still getting 
several new people signing up every month, just send out an e-mail once a 
month to the Yahoo list saying that this group is no longer being used, go 
over to DTXpressions.com.  Do this until the list finally dies off.  A way to 
help with this is to make everyone agree that once they're on the 
DTXpressions list, to not post to the Yahoo group anymore (and I'm already 
breaking that now!).

Stephanie

Re: [DTXpress] Re:Musing OT: "Merge the groups" idea?

2003-07-25 by Stephanie

On Fri July 25 2003 4:28 pm, rdamon@... wrote:
>  Vern,
>
> To bad there's not a way of spooling the post from dtxpress@yahoogroups.com
>  into a buffered or "restricted access" forum that only the
> moderator(system administrator) has access to, so that a moderator could
> preview the post prior to actual posting into a dtxpressions open forum.

There is a way to do that, and (assuming a Unix server is being used to host 
this web site) you can use a utility called "procmail," that is commonly used 
on such servers to examine the headers of all e-mail and either pass or 
delete mail based on the filtering rules established.

Big catch there, though.  Spammers are very well aware of programs like this 
and know how to trick such programs, by putting a dot between each character 
or spacing every other character in the subject header or body of the 
message.  These people are dirty !@#$%&*(&% who deserve to be shipped off to 
the moon without a spacesuit.

Don't do it.  Cut the Yahoos lose.

Stephanie

Re: [DTXpress] Re:Musing OT: "Merge the groups" idea?

2003-07-26 by Vernon Graner

Well, the big resistance as I see it is:

1) some people want to use Email to read the list exclusively.

2) the 700+/- users in the groups details has an impact on both people
who would join and our standing w/Yamaha

The first thing can be solved with a technology fix, the second one would
be much harder since we know from experience that the 700 or so users who
have joined will not pipe up and jump to the new place quickly and
easily. Also, the idea of having some of us over there and some here
isn't such a great hing as it "splits" the group and reduces our clout
while making follwing discussions that much more difficult.

Rambling Response finished now.... :)

-- 
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Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG



Stephanie said:
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>>  Ok, so it occured to me... I s'pose when I get the "email to post on
>> the
>>  forum" thing working, what I could do is sign up an account to receive
>>  mail from this yahoo group so all the posts from it would end up in a
>>  forum topic area on the dtxpressions.com web site... the only thing
>> that
>>  would be a problem is that anytime the yahoo group list got a spam, it
>>  would end up on the dtxpressions.com site as well.... hmmm.... dang.
>
> My suggestion is this - let everyone know that this group is moving to
> the new
> area, and then watch the traffic as time goes on.  If you're still
> getting
> several new people signing up every month, just send out an e-mail once a
> month to the Yahoo list saying that this group is no longer being used,
> go
> over to DTXpressions.com.  Do this until the list finally dies off.  A
> way to
> help with this is to make everyone agree that once they're on the
> DTXpressions list, to not post to the Yahoo group anymore (and I'm
> already
> breaking that now!).
>
> Stephanie
>
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>   Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>   List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

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