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MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-19 by David DeciBel

I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland 
product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to use it a 
little bit...  Pretty cool little box.  

The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 born 
MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The little 
screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as well 
as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open an 
internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess that's an 
ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-505 with 
a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom interface.  

No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say that I 
enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is awesome!  
For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even after 
duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of these 
simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay down a 
beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what I'm 
doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.  

There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to me.  
The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 1 
expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But remember, 
it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity sensitive 
pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they are layed 
out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)

$1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may be 
better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500 
because you'll get just about the same features...

Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-19 by Raj

yup if your confined to studio work you could easily afford an XL7 + an e5000 and have loads more power

>VP9000? 
does it have the full variphase functions?

I think that the pads on the XL7 are one of its winning aspects I even prefer them to MPC pads.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David DeciBel 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:09 PM
  Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown


  I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland 
  product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to use it a 
  little bit...  Pretty cool little box.  

  The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 born 
  MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The little 
  screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as well 
  as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open an 
  internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess that's an 
  ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-505 with 
  a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom interface.  

  No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say that I 
  enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is awesome!  
  For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even after 
  duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of these 
  simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay down a 
  beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what I'm 
  doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.  

  There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to me.  
  The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 1 
  expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But remember, 
  it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity sensitive 
  pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they are layed 
  out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)

  $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may be 
  better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500 
  because you'll get just about the same features...  


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Re: MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-19 by David DeciBel

Yes, it has veriphrase in it.  Which I don't know how usefull that 
is.  It's basically the same "technology" that's in the Yamaha 
A4000's and the EMU ultra samplers..

The 909 uses a shark processor for all those that are interested.

--- In xl7@y..., "Raj" <rajah_patel@y...> wrote:
> yup if your confined to studio work you could easily afford an XL7 
+ an e5000 and have loads more power
> 
> >VP9000? 
> does it have the full variphase functions?
> 
> I think that the pads on the XL7 are one of its winning aspects I 
even prefer them to MPC pads.
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: David DeciBel 
>   To: xl7@y... 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:09 PM
>   Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown
> 
> 
>   I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland 
>   product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to use 
it a 
>   little bit...  Pretty cool little box.  
> 
>   The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 born 
>   MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The 
little 
>   screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as 
well 
>   as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open an 
>   internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess that's 
an 
>   ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-505 
with 
>   a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom interface.  
> 
>   No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say that I 
>   enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is 
awesome!  
>   For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even 
after 
>   duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of these 
>   simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay down a 
>   beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what I'm 
>   doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.  
> 
>   There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to 
me.  
>   The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 1 
>   expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But 
remember, 
>   it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity 
sensitive 
>   pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they are 
layed 
>   out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)
> 
>   $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may be 
>   better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500 
>   because you'll get just about the same features...  
> 
> 
>   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>   xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> 
> 
> 
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Service. 
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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

I agree with you that is sucks that they removed megamix. What were they thinking, removing the major function that set the mc505 apart from everyone else?!

And it is too expensive yet.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David DeciBel 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:09 PM
  Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown


  I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland 
  product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to use it a 
  little bit...  Pretty cool little box.  

  The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 born 
  MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The little 
  screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as well 
  as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open an 
  internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess that's an 
  ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-505 with 
  a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom interface.  

  No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say that I 
  enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is awesome!  
  For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even after 
  duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of these 
  simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay down a 
  beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what I'm 
  doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.  

  There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to me.  
  The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 1 
  expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But remember, 
  it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity sensitive 
  pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they are layed 
  out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)

  $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may be 
  better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500 
  because you'll get just about the same features...  


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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Not full variphrase function by a long shot, but it does do on the fly timestretch of samples that you have set up in your patterns. Which is great for live tap tempo stuff with other musicians! However, I am not sure it is drag and drop like acid or something. If it is, then . . . wow! But somehow i doubt it.

Ravi
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Raj 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown


  yup if your confined to studio work you could easily afford an XL7 + an e5000 and have loads more power

  >VP9000? 
  does it have the full variphase functions?

  I think that the pads on the XL7 are one of its winning aspects I even prefer them to MPC pads.


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David DeciBel 
    To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:09 PM
    Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown


    I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland 
    product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to use it a 
    little bit...  Pretty cool little box.  

    The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 born 
    MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The little 
    screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as well 
    as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open an 
    internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess that's an 
    ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-505 with 
    a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom interface.  

    No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say that I 
    enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is awesome!  
    For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even after 
    duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of these 
    simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay down a 
    beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what I'm 
    doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.  

    There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to me.  
    The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 1 
    expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But remember, 
    it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity sensitive 
    pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they are layed 
    out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)

    $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may be 
    better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500 
    because you'll get just about the same features...  


    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



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  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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RE: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by ByronIV

The best sounding, most creative, and most original ways of doing things,
rarely incorporate only a single box, eh?
Byron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David DeciBel [mailto:spec@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:09 PM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown
>
>
> I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland
> product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to use it a
> little bit...  Pretty cool little box.
>
> The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 born
> MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The little
> screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as well
> as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open an
> internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess that's an
> ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-505 with
> a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom interface.
>
> No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say that I
> enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is awesome!
> For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even after
> duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of these
> simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay down a
> beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what I'm
> doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.
>
> There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to me.
> The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 1
> expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But remember,
> it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity sensitive
> pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they are layed
> out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)
>
> $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may be
> better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500
> because you'll get just about the same features...
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Re: MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by heinrich22001

Thank you for your review, i searched the net to find the first user 
experiences from clinics and so on, but alas, no such a thing...

could you reflect on the sounds and styles as well and compare it - 
say - with the mc-307, rs-7000, as the demos on www.mc-909.com led 
to negative posts. What was your impression? 
And if you could not keep both units: Would you in the long run 
stick with your xx-7 or the mc-909?

Thank you and best regards

Heinrich



--- In xl7@y..., "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> Yes, it has veriphrase in it.  Which I don't know how usefull that 
> is.  It's basically the same "technology" that's in the Yamaha 
> A4000's and the EMU ultra samplers..
> 
> The 909 uses a shark processor for all those that are interested.
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "Raj" <rajah_patel@y...> wrote:
> > yup if your confined to studio work you could easily afford an 
XL7 
> + an e5000 and have loads more power
> > 
> > >VP9000? 
> > does it have the full variphase functions?
> > 
> > I think that the pads on the XL7 are one of its winning aspects 
I 
> even prefer them to MPC pads.
> > 
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: David DeciBel 
> >   To: xl7@y... 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:09 PM
> >   Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown
> > 
> > 
> >   I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland 
> >   product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to 
use 
> it a 
> >   little bit...  Pretty cool little box.  
> > 
> >   The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 
born 
> >   MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The 
> little 
> >   screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as 
> well 
> >   as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open 
an 
> >   internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess 
that's 
> an 
> >   ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-
505 
> with 
> >   a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom 
interface.  
> > 
> >   No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say 
that I 
> >   enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is 
> awesome!  
> >   For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even 
> after 
> >   duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of 
these 
> >   simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay 
down a 
> >   beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what 
I'm 
> >   doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.  
> > 
> >   There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to 
> me.  
> >   The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 
1 
> >   expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But 
> remember, 
> >   it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity 
> sensitive 
> >   pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they 
are 
> layed 
> >   out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)
> > 
> >   $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may 
be 
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> >   better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500 
> >   because you'll get just about the same features...  
> > 
> > 
> >   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >   xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of 
> Service. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] Re: MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by David Jones

Well the soundsare the same as the 505 with an XV like chip.  I've never
tried the RS7k though...  Lots of different styles on it.  The demos sound
nice.

If I had a choice I would stick with my a4000 + mp7 because I know it and i
love the features more than the 909.   But I weigh the options that I need
(polyphany, filters, sounds) over the needs of others that might like the
909 (sampler, adsr & filter viewing, large screen).  But really the machines
are very simular in certain ways.


----- Original Message -----
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From: "heinrich22001" <hhuent@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: MC-909 lowdown


> Thank you for your review, i searched the net to find the first user
> experiences from clinics and so on, but alas, no such a thing...
>
> could you reflect on the sounds and styles as well and compare it -
> say - with the mc-307, rs-7000, as the demos on www.mc-909.com led
> to negative posts. What was your impression?
> And if you could not keep both units: Would you in the long run
> stick with your xx-7 or the mc-909?
>
> Thank you and best regards
>
> Heinrich
>
>
>
> --- In xl7@y..., "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > Yes, it has veriphrase in it.  Which I don't know how usefull that
> > is.  It's basically the same "technology" that's in the Yamaha
> > A4000's and the EMU ultra samplers..
> >
> > The 909 uses a shark processor for all those that are interested.
> >
> > --- In xl7@y..., "Raj" <rajah_patel@y...> wrote:
> > > yup if your confined to studio work you could easily afford an
> XL7
> > + an e5000 and have loads more power
> > >
> > > >VP9000?
> > > does it have the full variphase functions?
> > >
> > > I think that the pads on the XL7 are one of its winning aspects
> I
> > even prefer them to MPC pads.
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: David DeciBel
> > >   To: xl7@y...
> > >   Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:09 PM
> > >   Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown
> > >
> > >
> > >   I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland
> > >   product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to
> use
> > it a
> > >   little bit...  Pretty cool little box.
> > >
> > >   The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505
> born
> > >   MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The
> > little
> > >   screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as
> > well
> > >   as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open
> an
> > >   internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess
> that's
> > an
> > >   ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-
> 505
> > with
> > >   a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom
> interface.
> > >
> > >   No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say
> that I
> > >   enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is
> > awesome!
> > >   For a sound engine it's grrreat.  I will have to admit (even
> > after
> > >   duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of
> these
> > >   simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay
> down a
> > >   beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what
> I'm
> > >   doing right now anyways with my MP-7 ala A4000.
> > >
> > >   There are some things in here that still seem fisher pricey to
> > me.
> > >   The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only
> 1
> > >   expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But
> > remember,
> > >   it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity
> > sensitive
> > >   pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they
> are
> > layed
> > >   out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)
> > >
> > >   $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may
> be
> > >   better off with an XX-7 at $600 and a separate sampler at $500
> > >   because you'll get just about the same features...
> > >
> > >
> > >   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >   xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > >
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> > Service.
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> > >
> > >
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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by David Jones

You said it there.  This is one reason you don't find guitars with
distortion and reverb and effects built into them.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "ByronIV" <byron@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown


> The best sounding, most creative, and most original ways of doing things,
> rarely incorporate only a single box, eh?
> Byron
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David DeciBel [mailto:spec@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:09 PM
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown
> >
> >
> > I had the privlidge of getting a hands on demo from the roland
> > product rep of the MC-909 today.  I actually had a chance to use it a
> > little bit...  Pretty cool little box.
> >
> > The one thing that is missing which shocked me is the mc-505 born
> > MegaMix function.  It does still have the RPS function.  The little
> > screen is cool.  You can set up your own pictures and stuff as well
> > as your own screensaver.  I was half expecting it to pop open an
> > internet explorer browser and check my email, but I guess that's an
> > ok sacrifice :-)  - To sum up this box, it's basically a MC-505 with
> > a VP-9000 sampler, an XV synth engine, and a Fantom interface.
> >
> > No, I'm not rushing to sell my MP-7 quite yet.  I will say that I
> > enjoy the sounds of the MP quite a bit.  And the editing is awesome!
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> > duking it out with Ravi) that I wouldn't mind having one of these
> > simply for the intigrated sampling.  It's very easy to lay down a
> > beat, resample it, chop it and go nuts with it.  Wich is what I'm
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> > The filters downright suck compared to the EMU.  And with only 1
> > expansion slot, it makes it a little bit unexpandable.  But remember,
> > it's a sampler.  Which IS pretty cool.  Also, the volocity sensitive
> > pads are nice for a change...  But I hate the way that they are layed
> > out... remember when keyboards had the black keys on top?  :)
> >
> > $1795 retail huh?  With street prices at about $1499, you may be
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RE: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Not yet at least, we can still hope!  Funny, but no company has got it 
right yet...

rEalm




The best sounding, most creative, and most original ways of doing things,
rarely incorporate only a single box, eh?
Byron



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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Yeah, a real bummer for sure.  I was actually thinking of getting one when 
they were first announced so that I could use it live (I need sampling for 
this).  But with no megamix (yet, maybe Jim's up to something) and only 64 
poly still, it's not worth it.  I was banging my head against the wall 
many times cursing the mc505's 64 poly, and that was with only mono 
waveforms!   The polyphony is the biggest let down IMO.

rEalm



I agree with you that is sucks that they removed megamix. What were they 
thinking, removing the major function that set the mc505 apart from 
everyone else?!

And it is too expensive yet.
 


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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by Nick Rothwell

> Not yet at least, we can still hope!

I don't find the single-box solution particularly palatable, but there
are arguably lots of examples of it being the most creative or
original way of doing things. Lemme see: Tangerine Dream's EXIT (PPG
Wave), Klaus Schulze's DIG IT (Crumar GDS), Jean Michel Jarre's
ZOOLOOK (Fairlight CMI), and a variety of mid-70's Vangelis (Yamaha
CS-80). There are people out there now doing albums with single
software packages (I can think of two pure Max/MSP albums).

My "single box" probably wouldn't be the XL-7 (the timing is sloppy
enough to put me off, and the effects are weak): I'd go for the
OasysPCI.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by drK

On 11/20/02 8:21 AM, "Nick Rothwell" <nick@...> wrote:

> I don't find the single-box solution particularly palatable, but there
> are arguably lots of examples of it being the most creative or
> original way of doing things. Lemme see: Tangerine Dream's EXIT (PPG
> Wave), Klaus Schulze's DIG IT (Crumar GDS), Jean Michel Jarre's
> ZOOLOOK (Fairlight CMI), and a variety of mid-70's Vangelis (Yamaha
> CS-80). There are people out there now doing albums with single
> software packages (I can think of two pure Max/MSP albums).
> 

I think about this a lot having cut my teeth back in those times when you
were forced to use one box because there was no alternative.  All of the
examples cited, except maybe the Fairlight, were recorded using conventional
overdub recording techniques, one part at a time.  it is much more work but
then again every bit of music you make can bring the full power of your gear
to bare.

In a way we have become too spoiled by the mutable, nearly liquid nature of
MIDI production and its close cousin sample-loop/phrase based production.
MIDI implies more things at once and so we accept less for each.  Or better
stated we think we require more.  Loop/sample based approaches at least
offer some of the attributes of multitrack audio overdubbing but
unfortunately the equipment used to do that, especially the computer, is
sometimes to alluring to resist.

> My "single box" probably wouldn't be the XL-7 (the timing is sloppy
> enough to put me off, and the effects are weak): I'd go for the
> OasysPCI.
> 

The OASYS is an interesting choice, especially if you invest in learning the
SynthKit.  Even without that it is capable of almost anything, provided you
do multitrack audio recording one track at a time.  I'm curious, how would
you complete the picture?  Controllers?  What software would you use along
with it?


drk

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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by Raj

Funny but Jarre seems to be using the XL7 in his live setup these days

http://www.questbbs.fsnet.co.uk/audiobrunch.htm

check the pics at the bottom of the page
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  Subject: Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown


  > Not yet at least, we can still hope!

  I don't find the single-box solution particularly palatable, but there
  are arguably lots of examples of it being the most creative or
  original way of doing things. Lemme see: Tangerine Dream's EXIT (PPG
  Wave), Klaus Schulze's DIG IT (Crumar GDS), Jean Michel Jarre's
  ZOOLOOK (Fairlight CMI), and a variety of mid-70's Vangelis (Yamaha
  CS-80). There are people out there now doing albums with single
  software packages (I can think of two pure Max/MSP albums).

  My "single box" probably wouldn't be the XL-7 (the timing is sloppy
  enough to put me off, and the effects are weak): I'd go for the
  OasysPCI.

  -- 

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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by ->Nobody<-

That would be Francis Rimbert, actually.
He used to make demoes at music shows for Ensoniq.
And Roland. And Korg before that.
http://c.des.free.fr/rimbert/rimbert.html

Given the black tape on the brand name, E-MU did not pay him enough 
to endorse their gear. :)

Raj wrote:
> Funny but Jarre seems to be using the XL7 in his live setup these 
> days http://www.questbbs.fsnet.co.uk/audiobrunch.htm
> check the pics at the bottom of the page
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Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-20 by Nick Rothwell

> In a way we have become too spoiled by the mutable, nearly liquid nature of
> MIDI production and its close cousin sample-loop/phrase based production.
> MIDI implies more things at once and so we accept less for each.  Or better
> stated we think we require more.

I agree, except in one detail. I understand what you mean by "mutable,
nearly liquid" but in some senses MIDI production adds a degree of
discreteness which gets in the way of the creative process. For
example, you are forced to think about notes and controllers as
separate kinds of data, and then think about interdependencies when
using them together - problems which don't occur in analogue
systems. And sample-based systems (PCM playback at least) lead to a
change of process which I don't like much: soundscaping all too easily
turns into a crap-shoot for the right sound. How many times have you
spun the data entry wheel on your XL-7 time after time, saying to
yourself, "nope, that one won't do..."

> The OASYS is an interesting choice, especially if you invest in learning the
> SynthKit.  Even without that it is capable of almost anything, provided you
> do multitrack audio recording one track at a time.

...or are *very* careful about resource allocation. Either way, I find
the Oasys a productive combination of very high quality instrument
models with a constrained, focussed working method.

> I'm curious, how would you complete the picture?  Controllers?  What
> software would you use along with it?

For the soundscaping work I'm doing at the moment (for live
performance, contemporary dance and so on) the software is Max/MSP,
and the control surface is a CM Automation Motor Mix. I also have a
Buchla Thunder which I really want to wheel out again - it's far too
long since I last used it.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

Re: [xl7] MC-909 lowdown

2002-11-21 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Unless I get some great deal or something I will wait a good long while before I give into gear lust for the mc909 as there is somewhat little lust involved. If in the meantime E-mu makes an announcement of some impending super sampling Command Station, well then it will continue to be E-mu time! at my place!

Ravi
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  Yeah, a real bummer for sure.  I was actually thinking of getting one when 
  they were first announced so that I could use it live (I need sampling for 
  this).  But with no megamix (yet, maybe Jim's up to something) and only 64 
  poly still, it's not worth it.  I was banging my head against the wall 
  many times cursing the mc505's 64 poly, and that was with only mono 
  waveforms!   The polyphony is the biggest let down IMO.

  rEalm


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