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2008-06-13 by aaron
Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is compatible for these roms? I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but sold it long before i even though of getting a command station.
2008-06-13 by aaron
i guess the later e4's could probably do this (could take 64 mb chips) but the ultra 5000 and other later samplers sound better for this. case in point (read discription): http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-ULTRA-5000-20GB-Loaded-with-10-PROTEUS-2000- ROMS_W0QQitemZ200229921905QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38070QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem so has anyone here done this with any of the e-mu samplers? i cant find much information on the 'proteus class ROM chips' as that seller put it. i've been looking for a couple days now and am wondering if there are cheaper chips made for computers or something else that would work for this. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "aaron" <mute40205@...> wrote: > > Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using > the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? > > Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is > compatible for these roms? > > I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but sold > it long before i even though of getting a command station. >
2008-06-13 by Bob S.
I have/done so within the past year. I use a 6400 Ultra. Nice results. Created an "ambient" sample type of rom. I was not as efficient as Emu in cramming samples on the rom but the few dozen I put on a 16MB rom added quite a bit of sound possibility I did not have before with my XL-1 turbo, XL-7 & PK-6 machines with 9 factory roms. I have been meaning to write the instructions and tips for the group on how to "author" a rom, but haven't had the chance. Could not find an equivalent rom part, there was some research by group members a few years ago, I doubt there is one because there are 2 eeprom types used on the card, one for presets & one for samples. I bought 3 Emu 16MB flash roms from EBay within the last 2 years, they are hard to find....there is a 32MB one up there right now but a bit pricey, >$300usd. Bob El Segundo, CA
----- Original Message ----- From: aaron To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: [xl7] Burning your own roms? Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is compatible for these roms? I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but sold it long before i even though of getting a command station. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-06-13 by Aaron Eppolito
While that E5k sounds pretty cool, take his comments with a grain of salt. Just because it has all the ROM data, does NOT mean that you could burn ROMs from these. They won't have any presets. The only thing the Ultra samplers can understand is the Proteus instruments, so all the presets will be empty. No arps, no patchcords, no layers, etc. $650 seems like an good deal, though I haven't priced comparable units in a long time. Oh, and the Flash ROMs were custom designed at E-mu. They won't be compatible with anything else. -Aaron PS. The XLead ROM's samples/instruments ARE the Audity2000 stuff (from the eBay ad)
----- Original Message ---- From: aaron <mute40205@...> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:29:53 AM Subject: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? i guess the later e4's could probably do this (could take 64 mb chips) but the ultra 5000 and other later samplers sound better for this. case in point (read discription): http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-ULTRA-5000-20GB-Loaded-with-10-PROTEUS-2000- ROMS_W0QQitemZ200229921905QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38070QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem so has anyone here done this with any of the e-mu samplers? i cant find much information on the 'proteus class ROM chips' as that seller put it. i've been looking for a couple days now and am wondering if there are cheaper chips made for computers or something else that would work for this. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "aaron" <mute40205@...> wrote: > > Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using > the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? > > Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is > compatible for these roms? > > I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but sold > it long before i even though of getting a command station. > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2008-06-13 by Bob S.
Hi Aaron/all I used an E6400 Ultra to burn my ROM.....worked fine (if you follow certain setup rules). I paid <$300usd maybe a year or so ago for it on Ebay. I used a 2 step process that burned both parts of the ROM board so I was able to get instruments (samples) and presets that used those instruments from the Ultra to the XL-1...... Bob El Segundo, CA -----Original Message-----
>From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 1:24 PM >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >While that E5k sounds pretty cool, take his comments with a grain of salt. Just because it has all the ROM data, does NOT mean that you could burn ROMs from these. They won't have any presets. The only thing the Ultra samplers can understand is the Proteus instruments, so all the presets will be empty. No arps, no patchcords, no layers, etc. > >$650 seems like an good deal, though I haven't priced comparable units in a long time. > >Oh, and the Flash ROMs were custom designed at E-mu. They won't be compatible with anything else. > >-Aaron > >PS. The XLead ROM's samples/instruments ARE the Audity2000 stuff (from the eBay ad) > >----- Original Message ---- >From: aaron <mute40205@...> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:29:53 AM >Subject: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >i guess the later e4's could probably do this (could take 64 mb chips) >but the ultra 5000 and other later samplers sound better for this. > >case in point (read discription): >http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-ULTRA-5000-20GB-Loaded-with-10-PROTEUS-2000- >ROMS_W0QQitemZ200229921905QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38070QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ >1QQcmdZViewItem > >so has anyone here done this with any of the e-mu samplers? i cant find >much information on the 'proteus class ROM chips' as that seller put >it. i've been looking for a couple days now and am wondering if there >are cheaper chips made for computers or something else that would work >for this. > >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "aaron" <mute40205@...> wrote: >> >> Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using >> the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? >> >> Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is >> compatible for these roms? >> >> I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but >sold >> it long before i even though of getting a command station. >> > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2008-06-13 by Aaron Eppolito
Right, I just meant beware of taking the eBay guy's ad as if you would have all the sounds of all those ROMs since you won't. You'd be able to copy all the presets from the ROMs if you had them, but he doesn't. Essentially, you'd need a preset dump of all the presets for those ROMs you'd want to use, something that that guy doesn't have. That said, that'd be pretty cool. There are some ROMs that even I don't have... -Aaron PS. I don't suppose anyone'd want to trade a B-3 ROM for your Ensoniq Project ROM. Yeah, didn't think so. :(
----- Original Message ---- From: Bob S. <tttsystems@...> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:55:10 PM Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? Hi Aaron/all I used an E6400 Ultra to burn my ROM.....worked fine (if you follow certain setup rules). I paid <$300usd maybe a year or so ago for it on Ebay. I used a 2 step process that burned both parts of the ROM board so I was able to get instruments (samples) and presets that used those instruments from the Ultra to the XL-1...... Bob El Segundo, CA -----Original Message----- >From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 1:24 PM >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >While that E5k sounds pretty cool, take his comments with a grain of salt. Just because it has all the ROM data, does NOT mean that you could burn ROMs from these. They won't have any presets. The only thing the Ultra samplers can understand is the Proteus instruments, so all the presets will be empty. No arps, no patchcords, no layers, etc. > >$650 seems like an good deal, though I haven't priced comparable units in a long time. > >Oh, and the Flash ROMs were custom designed at E-mu. They won't be compatible with anything else. > >-Aaron > >PS. The XLead ROM's samples/instruments ARE the Audity2000 stuff (from the eBay ad) > >----- Original Message ---- >From: aaron <mute40205@...> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:29:53 AM >Subject: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >i guess the later e4's could probably do this (could take 64 mb chips) >but the ultra 5000 and other later samplers sound better for this. > >case in point (read discription): >http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-ULTRA-5000-20GB-Loaded-with-10-PROTEUS-2000- >ROMS_W0QQitemZ200229921905QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38070QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ >1QQcmdZViewItem > >so has anyone here done this with any of the e-mu samplers? i cant find >much information on the 'proteus class ROM chips' as that seller put >it. i've been looking for a couple days now and am wondering if there >are cheaper chips made for computers or something else that would work >for this. > >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "aaron" <mute40205@...> wrote: >> >> Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using >> the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? >> >> Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is >> compatible for these roms? >> >> I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but >sold >> it long before i even though of getting a command station. >> > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2008-06-13 by Bob S.
I guess we were talking about different things.....the roms I burned were from scratch from my own samples on the Ultra..... Copying is interesting but the blank rom costs more than the actual factory rom..... Bob El Segundo, CA -----Original Message-----
>From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 4:28 PM >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >Right, I just meant beware of taking the eBay guy's ad as if you would have all the sounds of all those ROMs since you won't. You'd be able to copy all the presets from the ROMs if you had them, but he doesn't. Essentially, you'd need a preset dump of all the presets for those ROMs you'd want to use, something that that guy doesn't have. > >That said, that'd be pretty cool. There are some ROMs that even I don't have... > >-Aaron > > >PS. I don't suppose anyone'd want to trade a B-3 ROM for your Ensoniq Project ROM. Yeah, didn't think so. :( > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Bob S. <tttsystems@...> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:55:10 PM >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >Hi Aaron/all > >I used an E6400 Ultra to burn my ROM.....worked fine (if you follow certain setup rules). I paid <$300usd maybe a year or so ago for it on Ebay. I used a 2 step process that burned both parts of the ROM board so I was able to get instruments (samples) and presets that used those instruments from the Ultra to the XL-1...... > >Bob >El Segundo, CA > > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> >>Sent: Jun 13, 2008 1:24 PM >>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? >> >>While that E5k sounds pretty cool, take his comments with a grain of salt. Just because it has all the ROM data, does NOT mean that you could burn ROMs from these. They won't have any presets. The only thing the Ultra samplers can understand is the Proteus instruments, so all the presets will be empty. No arps, no patchcords, no layers, etc. >> >>$650 seems like an good deal, though I haven't priced comparable units in a long time. >> >>Oh, and the Flash ROMs were custom designed at E-mu. They won't be compatible with anything else. >> >>-Aaron >> >>PS. The XLead ROM's samples/instruments ARE the Audity2000 stuff (from the eBay ad) >> >>----- Original Message ---- >>From: aaron <mute40205@...> >>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:29:53 AM >>Subject: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? >> >>i guess the later e4's could probably do this (could take 64 mb chips) >>but the ultra 5000 and other later samplers sound better for this. >> >>case in point (read discription): >>http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-ULTRA-5000-20GB-Loaded-with-10-PROTEUS-2000- >>ROMS_W0QQitemZ200229921905QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38070QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ >>1QQcmdZViewItem >> >>so has anyone here done this with any of the e-mu samplers? i cant find >>much information on the 'proteus class ROM chips' as that seller put >>it. i've been looking for a couple days now and am wondering if there >>are cheaper chips made for computers or something else that would work >>for this. >> >>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "aaron" <mute40205@...> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using >>> the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? >>> >>> Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is >>> compatible for these roms? >>> >>> I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but >>sold >>> it long before i even though of getting a command station. >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------ >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2008-06-13 by aaron
Bob.. exactly. Our own samples. I know people do this, its not a matter of if.. i'm more curious to see if theres a way that i can bring down the cost of the actual flash ram chips. Any have some specifications, repair, etc. sheets/manuals for any of e-mu's hardware that happens to go into detail about the ram? any hires pictures? Custom or not, it's ridiculous to pay that kind of price when you could just disect one and clone it. ..recreate a memory chip from scratch, even if it has to be pinned out all sloppily..they aren't the most complicated things in the world. unlike bios chips, etc. you dont have the hassle of having to deal with a processor or instruction.. it all comes down to the design, pin outs, slot type, and the type of memory on the board. proprietary doesnt mean jack.. i bet the actual chips used are dime a dozen, or could be torn off stuff like old cisco router memory or even old mac ram, etc. I'm very suprised no one has done this yet.. can't say im educated enough to do it myself but I would guess this isn't impossible by a longshot. That solution alone, would be the only one that would make creating custom roms for yourself worthwhile. The prices for what is already out there is just absurd. This is just an interesting topic though, i'm not implying this has any negative impact on how i look at the mp- 7, et. all. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote: > > I guess we were talking about different things.....the roms I burned were from scratch from my own samples on the Ultra..... > > Copying is interesting but the blank rom costs more than the actual factory rom..... > > Bob > El Segundo, CA > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> > >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 4:28 PM > >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > > > >Right, I just meant beware of taking the eBay guy's ad as if you would have all the sounds of all those ROMs since you won't. You'd be able to copy all the presets from the ROMs if you had them, but he doesn't. Essentially, you'd need a preset dump of all the presets for those ROMs you'd want to use, something that that guy doesn't have. > > > >That said, that'd be pretty cool. There are some ROMs that even I don't have... > > > >-Aaron > > > > > >PS. I don't suppose anyone'd want to trade a B-3 ROM for your Ensoniq Project ROM. Yeah, didn't think so. :( > > > >----- Original Message ---- > >From: Bob S. <tttsystems@...> > >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:55:10 PM > >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > > > >Hi Aaron/all > > > >I used an E6400 Ultra to burn my ROM.....worked fine (if you follow certain setup rules). I paid <$300usd maybe a year or so ago for it on Ebay. I used a 2 step process that burned both parts of the ROM board so I was able to get instruments (samples) and presets that used those instruments from the Ultra to the XL-1...... > > > >Bob > >El Segundo, CA > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >>From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> > >>Sent: Jun 13, 2008 1:24 PM > >>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > >>Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >> > >>While that E5k sounds pretty cool, take his comments with a grain of salt. Just because it has all the ROM data, does NOT mean that you could burn ROMs from these. They won't have any presets. The only thing the Ultra samplers can understand is the Proteus instruments, so all the presets will be empty. No arps, no patchcords, no layers, etc. > >> > >>$650 seems like an good deal, though I haven't priced comparable units in a long time. > >> > >>Oh, and the Flash ROMs were custom designed at E-mu. They won't be compatible with anything else. > >> > >>-Aaron > >> > >>PS. The XLead ROM's samples/instruments ARE the Audity2000 stuff (from the eBay ad) > >> > >>----- Original Message ---- > >>From: aaron <mute40205@...> > >>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:29:53 AM > >>Subject: [xl7] Re: Burning your own roms? > >> > >>i guess the later e4's could probably do this (could take 64 mb chips) > >>but the ultra 5000 and other later samplers sound better for this. > >> > >>case in point (read discription): > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-ULTRA-5000-20GB-Loaded-with-10-PROTEUS- 2000- > >>ROMS_W0QQitemZ200229921905QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38070QQssPageNameZWDVWQ QrdZ > >>1QQcmdZViewItem > >> > >>so has anyone here done this with any of the e-mu samplers? i cant find > >>much information on the 'proteus class ROM chips' as that seller put > >>it. i've been looking for a couple days now and am wondering if there > >>are cheaper chips made for computers or something else that would work > >>for this. > >> > >>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "aaron" <mute40205@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Anyone had any success creating their own sample libraries/roms using > >>> the E4 / Emulator IV or anything similar? > >>> > >>> Know if there is any generic old memory (kingston, etc) that is > >>> compatible for these roms? > >>> > >>> I'm tempted to get a E4 strictly for this. I used to have one but
> >>sold > >>> it long before i even though of getting a command station. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------ > >> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >