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Hi (hope my english is not to strange ;-)

I got my XL7 only a couple of days. In generell is it really easy to 
work with, but i`m not sure if i understand the subouts correctly. I 
have the sounds always on the Main-out even when the set them 
at the subouts. No way to subtract it from the sum?

Thanks for help - Jay

yeah i didnt really understand the manual's explanation of this
feature and really wanted them to be six or at least 3 individual
assignable outputs.

but i think it's just for some sillyy sends thing. i am not sure tho.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:

> 
> Hi (hope my english is not to strange ;-)
> 
> I got my XL7 only a couple of days. In generell is it really easy to 
> work with, but i`m not sure if i understand the subouts correctly. I 
> have the sounds always on the Main-out even when the set them 
> at the subouts. No way to subtract it from the sum?
> 
> Thanks for help - Jay

The subouts can do a couple of things.  Using a TRS (tip,ring,sleeve) cable you can assign 
tracks to the sub outs and route the dry signal to an external effects unit.  The effected 
sound comes back into the command station and plays out of the mains with the rest of 
the tracks.

The other thing you can do (which I just tried over the weekend) is route tracks to the sub 
outs using a regular 1/4" cable to external gear.  Whatever is assigned to the sub outs 
won't have any effects from the command station (dry signal).

I assigned track using the Global menu, then saved as a Multi Setup.  I was in song mode, 
so I set the Event Source- Mix: to "Song Only"- otherwise the patterns seemed to reset my 
track destinations.  I was recording a song on my multi track recorder and had the drums 
out of Sub1 going to one track and synth from the Mains going to another track.  Don't 
know if I did this right according to the manual, but it worked perfectly for me.

Hope this helps (or at least made some sense)

Mike


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> 
> yeah i didnt really understand the manual's explanation of this
> feature and really wanted them to be six or at least 3 individual
> assignable outputs.
> 
> but i think it's just for some sillyy sends thing. i am not sure tho.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi (hope my english is not to strange ;-)
> > 
> > I got my XL7 only a couple of days. In generell is it really easy to 
> > work with, but i`m not sure if i understand the subouts correctly. I 
> > have the sounds always on the Main-out even when the set them 
> > at the subouts. No way to subtract it from the sum?
> > 
> > Thanks for help - Jay

I need a primer on effects in general in the command station.

Why isn't it just as easy as having an effect A and effect B send knob per
Track, which scales the values set up in the patch?

Can someone help me get my head around this?

-m@ 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of mike
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 1:20 PM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Re: subouts?
> 
> 
> 
> The subouts can do a couple of things.  Using a TRS 
> (tip,ring,sleeve) cable you can assign tracks to the sub outs 
> and route the dry signal to an external effects unit.  The 
> effected sound comes back into the command station and plays 
> out of the mains with the rest of the tracks.
> 
> The other thing you can do (which I just tried over the 
> weekend) is route tracks to the sub outs using a regular 1/4" 
> cable to external gear.  Whatever is assigned to the sub outs 
> won't have any effects from the command station (dry signal).
> 
> I assigned track using the Global menu, then saved as a Multi 
> Setup.  I was in song mode, so I set the Event Source- Mix: 
> to "Song Only"- otherwise the patterns seemed to reset my 
> track destinations.  I was recording a song on my multi track 
> recorder and had the drums out of Sub1 going to one track and 
> synth from the Mains going to another track.  Don't know if I 
> did this right according to the manual, but it worked 
> perfectly for me.
> 
> Hope this helps (or at least made some sense)
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > yeah i didnt really understand the manual's explanation of this 
> > feature and really wanted them to be six or at least 3 individual 
> > assignable outputs.
> > 
> > but i think it's just for some sillyy sends thing. i am not 
> sure tho.
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi (hope my english is not to strange ;-)
> > > 
> > > I got my XL7 only a couple of days. In generell is it 
> really easy to 
> > > work with, but i`m not sure if i understand the subouts 
> correctly. I 
> > > have the sounds always on the Main-out even when the set 
> them at the 
> > > subouts. No way to subtract it from the sum?
> > > 
> > > Thanks for help - Jay
> 
> 
> 
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NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
THANKS!


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikedancy@e...> wrote:
> 
> The subouts can do a couple of things.  Using a TRS
(tip,ring,sleeve) cable you can assign 
> tracks to the sub outs and route the dry signal to an external
effects unit.  The effected 
> sound comes back into the command station and plays out of the mains
with the rest of 
> the tracks.
> 
> The other thing you can do (which I just tried over the weekend) is
route tracks to the sub 
> outs using a regular 1/4" cable to external gear.  Whatever is
assigned to the sub outs 
> won't have any effects from the command station (dry signal).
> 
> I assigned track using the Global menu, then saved as a Multi Setup.
 I was in song mode, 
> so I set the Event Source- Mix: to "Song Only"- otherwise the
patterns seemed to reset my 
> track destinations.  I was recording a song on my multi track
recorder and had the drums 
> out of Sub1 going to one track and synth from the Mains going to
another track.  Don't 
> know if I did this right according to the manual, but it worked
perfectly for me.
> 
> Hope this helps (or at least made some sense)
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > yeah i didnt really understand the manual's explanation of this
> > feature and really wanted them to be six or at least 3 individual
> > assignable outputs.
> > 
> > but i think it's just for some sillyy sends thing. i am not sure tho.
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi (hope my english is not to strange ;-)
> > > 
> > > I got my XL7 only a couple of days. In generell is it really
easy to 
> > > work with, but i`m not sure if i understand the subouts
correctly. I 

> > > have the sounds always on the Main-out even when the set them 
> > > at the subouts. No way to subtract it from the sum?
> > > 
> > > Thanks for help - Jay

sorry i donthave a helpful answer to this. all i know is that it isnt
set up in any ay that i'm familiar with and what mark told me makes me
want to go and re-research what a trs jack is....


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:
> I need a primer on effects in general in the command station.
> 
> Why isn't it just as easy as having an effect A and effect B send
knob per

> Track, which scales the values set up in the patch?
> 
> Can someone help me get my head around this?
> 
> -m@ 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xl7@yahoogroups.com [mailto:xl7@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of mike
> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 1:20 PM
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] Re: subouts?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The subouts can do a couple of things.  Using a TRS 
> > (tip,ring,sleeve) cable you can assign tracks to the sub outs 
> > and route the dry signal to an external effects unit.  The 
> > effected sound comes back into the command station and plays 
> > out of the mains with the rest of the tracks.
> > 
> > The other thing you can do (which I just tried over the 
> > weekend) is route tracks to the sub outs using a regular 1/4" 
> > cable to external gear.  Whatever is assigned to the sub outs 
> > won't have any effects from the command station (dry signal).
> > 
> > I assigned track using the Global menu, then saved as a Multi 
> > Setup.  I was in song mode, so I set the Event Source- Mix: 
> > to "Song Only"- otherwise the patterns seemed to reset my 
> > track destinations.  I was recording a song on my multi track 
> > recorder and had the drums out of Sub1 going to one track and 
> > synth from the Mains going to another track.  Don't know if I 
> > did this right according to the manual, but it worked 
> > perfectly for me.
> > 
> > Hope this helps (or at least made some sense)
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > yeah i didnt really understand the manual's explanation of this 
> > > feature and really wanted them to be six or at least 3 individual 
> > > assignable outputs.
> > > 
> > > but i think it's just for some sillyy sends thing. i am not 
> > sure tho.
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi (hope my english is not to strange ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > I got my XL7 only a couple of days. In generell is it 
> > really easy to 
> > > > work with, but i`m not sure if i understand the subouts 
> > correctly. I 
> > > > have the sounds always on the Main-out even when the set 
> > them at the 
> > > > subouts. No way to subtract it from the sum?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for help - Jay
> > 
> > 
> > 
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(1) Take a look at the diagrams in the manual: (a) Output --> Tip-Ring-
Sleeve [TRS] Return/Send sub outs, and (b) Output/Effects Send Routing.

(2) Notice on (b) the diagram shows two comingled send systems--output 
and effects.  Think of them as separate systems first before trying to 
figure out how the comingled system functions.

(3) You have in effect 4 send busses. These are a function of synth 
settings (global and preset), NOT a function of the sequencer. (Also 
remember: channels [midi/synth functionality] are NOT tracks 
[sequencer functionality].

OUTPUT SENDS FUNCTIONALITY:
(1) Notice the Jack Detect switches. If there are no plugs in the sub 
outs, the output sends are routed to the main outs.

(2) The sub outs do not go through the effects processor. They are dry 
signals.

EFFECTS SENDS FUNCTIONALITY:
(1) With the synth part of your e-mu [global and preset settings], you 
can route audio signal to FXA and FXB via 4 sends.

(2) With each of the FX modules [A and B] you can set the % levels of 
each send.  

Hope this helps.

--Steve


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:
> I need a primer on effects in general in the command station.
> 
> Why isn't it just as easy as having an effect A and effect B send 
knob per

> Track, which scales the values set up in the patch?
> 
> Can someone help me get my head around this?
> 
> -m@

You can also use the e-mu as a passive mixer for external modules 
using the return/send sub outs.  The returned signals get added to the 
internal signal and come out the main outs.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> 
> 
> NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
> THANKS!

Is there a parameter somewhere that allows you to control the volume 
of incomming audio that gets mixed back into the mains? (via the sub 
ins)
I found that it was far too hot to use. I tryed it with a waldorf 
pulse that doesnt have a master volume as its stored on a patch by 
patch basis.
Volume was far too high when switching between un-edited patches :o(

Cheers
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> 
> You can also use the e-mu as a passive mixer for external modules 
> using the return/send sub outs.  The returned signals get added to 
the 

> internal signal and come out the main outs.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
> > THANKS!

damn i had no idea it was so versatile....
does it have to be a stereo jack? for the sound to come back in though?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> 
> You can also use the e-mu as a passive mixer for external modules 
> using the return/send sub outs.  The returned signals get added to the 
> internal signal and come out the main outs.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
> > THANKS!

Nope. The volume needs to be controlled from the external [incoming] 
source. Too bad the waldorf doesn't have some sort of master or 
global volume. It sounds like it would be a pain to have to edit 
every patch.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> 
> Is there a parameter somewhere that allows you to control the 
volume 
> of incomming audio that gets mixed back into the mains? (via the 
sub 
> ins)
> I found that it was far too hot to use. I tryed it with a waldorf 
> pulse that doesnt have a master volume as its stored on a patch by 
> patch basis.
> Volume was far too high when switching between un-edited patches :o
(
> 
> Cheers
> Gonz
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > You can also use the e-mu as a passive mixer for external 
modules 
> > using the return/send sub outs.  The returned signals get added 
to 

> the 
> > internal signal and come out the main outs.
> > 
> > --Steve
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
> > > THANKS!

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" 
<smw-mail@p...> wrote:
OUTPUT SENDS FUNCTIONALITY:
> (1) Notice the Jack Detect switches. If there are no plugs in the 
sub 
> outs, the output sends are routed to the main outs.

Thanks for the hint, but no success.
No matter if i have the subs plugged or unplugged, i have always 
the sounds on main-out :(
I really dont undestand why EMU didnt took the same system as 
at the samplers. With my e6400 is it no problem, just set a 
channel on main or sub 1, 2, 3 and thats it.

Yup. The e-mu is quite flexible.

The tip is the send, the ring is the return. Mono plugs only have 
the tip and the sleeve, so you will only get the outgoing signal.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> damn i had no idea it was so versatile....
> does it have to be a stereo jack? for the sound to come back in 
though?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > You can also use the e-mu as a passive mixer for external 
modules 
> > using the return/send sub outs.  The returned signals get added 
to the 

> > internal signal and come out the main outs.
> > 
> > --Steve
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
> > > THANKS!

I have not used e-mu samplers,  but it sounds the same. Mix Output 
[Global Parameter] lets you choose an output routing assignment on a 
channel by channel basis. Or you can use the output assignments based 
on a specific channel's preset.

"The Mix Output parameter allows you to override the routing 
assignments made in each preset and instead assign the outputs 
according to MIDI channel. For each of the 32 MIDI channels, you can 
select Send 1-4, or Preset. When Preset is selected, the output 
assignment defined in the Preset Edit menu is used."

I would assume that your presets use main outs by default.  So, it 
should be a matter of routing the channel to a sub out using the 
global Mix Output menu.

Hope this helps.

--Steve


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:

> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" 
> <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> OUTPUT SENDS FUNCTIONALITY:
> > (1) Notice the Jack Detect switches. If there are no plugs in the 
> sub 
> > outs, the output sends are routed to the main outs.
> 
> Thanks for the hint, but no success.
> No matter if i have the subs plugged or unplugged, i have always 
> the sounds on main-out :(
> I really dont undestand why EMU didnt took the same system as 
> at the samplers. With my e6400 is it no problem, just set a 
> channel on main or sub 1, 2, 3 and thats it.

PS: Also, try setting FX Mode [Global Parameter] to >> bypassed <<.

I just did a test and found that with FX Mode enabled, the various FX 
settings were sending some processed signal through the main outs.

Hope this provides the final clue you need.

--Steve

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:

> > Thanks for the hint, but no success.
> > No matter if i have the subs plugged or unplugged, i have always 
> > the sounds on main-out :(
> > I really dont undestand why EMU didnt took the same system as 
> > at the samplers. With my e6400 is it no problem, just set a 
> > channel on main or sub 1, 2, 3 and thats it.

Thats what i thought..
No global master volume on the pulse, so it would be a pain, but if i 
had too i would. 
Also its a bit dangerous as if something happened to jump right up in 
volume..
Maybe a special jack to jack that has attenuation in the plug do 
reduce the level is in order. That wouldnt be too hard to do.
Cheers
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> 
> Nope. The volume needs to be controlled from the external 
[incoming] 
> source. Too bad the waldorf doesn't have some sort of master or 
> global volume. It sounds like it would be a pain to have to edit 
> every patch.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> > 
> > Is there a parameter somewhere that allows you to control the 
> volume 
> > of incomming audio that gets mixed back into the mains? (via the 
> sub 
> > ins)
> > I found that it was far too hot to use. I tryed it with a waldorf 
> > pulse that doesnt have a master volume as its stored on a patch 
by 
> > patch basis.
> > Volume was far too high when switching between un-edited 
patches :o

> (
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Gonz
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > You can also use the e-mu as a passive mixer for external 
> modules 
> > > using the return/send sub outs.  The returned signals get added 
> to 
> > the 
> > > internal signal and come out the main outs.
> > > 
> > > --Steve
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
> > > > THANKS!

try leaving the jack plug in for a little while, it takes a bit of time 
for the xl to respond to the jack being plugged in.
Other than its just a case of setting up routing, like steve says in 
the master/global menu
Gonz 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> wrote:

> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" 
> <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> OUTPUT SENDS FUNCTIONALITY:
> > (1) Notice the Jack Detect switches. If there are no plugs in the 
> sub 
> > outs, the output sends are routed to the main outs.
> 
> Thanks for the hint, but no success.
> No matter if i have the subs plugged or unplugged, i have always 
> the sounds on main-out :(
> I really dont undestand why EMU didnt took the same system as 
> at the samplers. With my e6400 is it no problem, just set a 
> channel on main or sub 1, 2, 3 and thats it.

hmm i tried to use the global menu and setup the mp-7 to recieve a
signal from my synth but i got nothing. can't find the answer in the
manual either. got some stereo plugs too....

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> 
> Yup. The e-mu is quite flexible.
> 
> The tip is the send, the ring is the return. Mono plugs only have 
> the tip and the sleeve, so you will only get the outgoing signal.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > damn i had no idea it was so versatile....
> > does it have to be a stereo jack? for the sound to come back in 
> though?
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > You can also use the e-mu as a passive mixer for external 
> modules 
> > > using the return/send sub outs.  The returned signals get added 
> to the 
> > > internal signal and come out the main outs.
> > > 
> > > --Steve
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > NICE!! I''LL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!
> > > > THANKS!

Thanks for all your tips, i will try some - at weekend with enough 
time of experiments .
The FX i have always turned off, because they sounds .... ;-)

Ciao

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" 
<smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> 
> PS: Also, try setting FX Mode [Global Parameter] to >> 
bypassed <<.
> 
> I just did a test and found that with FX Mode enabled, the 
various FX 
> settings were sending some processed signal through the 
main outs.
> 
> Hope this provides the final clue you need.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "subjay27" <subjay@o...> 
wrote:
> 
> > > Thanks for the hint, but no success.
> > > No matter if i have the subs plugged or unplugged, i have 
always 
> > > the sounds on main-out :(
> > > I really dont undestand why EMU didnt took the same 
system as 
> > > at the samplers. With my e6400 is it no problem, just set a 
> > > channel on main or sub 1, 2, 3 and thats it.

Hello ( hope my english is not too strange too  i'm a french user of american material )
 
I have just a little precision to had ( many things have been said but not this feature ):
When your three output jacks are used ( linked with a stereo jack to a mixer ) and the effect are enable the signal of the fx return is only send in the main output .Despite the fact that you have send the channel 2 to sub 1 with 10 per cent of fx A for example the wet signal will go in the sub 1 and the dry portion ( the 10 per cent of fxA ) will go to the master output. It's very strange but it's like that.
 
Hope that help.
 
@+

subjay27 <subjay@...> wrote:

Hi (hope my english is not to strange ;-)

I got my XL7 only a couple of days. In generell is it really easy to 
work with, but i`m not sure if i understand the subouts correctly. I 
have the sounds always on the Main-out even when the set them 
at the subouts. No way to subtract it from the sum?

Thanks for help - Jay






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>Thanks for all your tips, i will try some - at weekend with enough
>time of experiments .
>The FX i have always turned off, because they sounds .... ;-)

Me too... i'd rather add some FX with software later. More control, less
hassle. I hate when i discover that some sound is being played with a lot of
fx, and distorts the sound of every other channel. I'd like to rewire some
knobs in order to control the effects right away. Would that be possible ?

Jose

--- subjay27 <subjay@...> wrote:
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" 
> OUTPUT SENDS FUNCTIONALITY:
> > (1) Notice the Jack Detect switches. If there are no plugs in the 
> > sub outs, the output sends are routed to the main outs.
> 
> Thanks for the hint, but no success.
> No matter if i have the subs plugged or unplugged, i have always 
> the sounds on main-out :(
> I really dont undestand why EMU didnt took the same system as 
> at the samplers. With my e6400 is it no problem, just set a 
> channel on main or sub 1, 2, 3 and thats it.


This is by design (and is also identical to the E4).  When you plug
something into a sub out, its DRY SIGNAL gets removed from the mains
and instead is sent to the sub jack.  However, the WET SIGNAL still
goes to the mains at the amount specified in the FXA/FXB send amounts
screens.  This allows you to do BOTH what you want and what you don't
want (but what someone else might want).  Simply set the send % to zero
for subs that you don't want to be effected (and thus heard at the
mains).

-Aaron

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