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I think I have figured out that the mute buttons are useless when controlling the xx7 
from computer sequencer because they mute sequencer tracks, not midi channels-is 
this right? In other words, using xx7 as a sound module,  the synth sections will play 
notes regardless of whether the track light is lit (on) or unlit ("muted")- muting must 
be done from the computer sequencing application. 
If this is right,is there any any way to control muting of tracks in computer sequencer 
from xx7,short of configuring it to send trigger messages that sequence application 
will interpret as mutes?

This machine is so devious i hope there is some way to do this that Ican't figure out.

Thanx much for any help on this

ignant666

BTW, sequencer app in question is the very groovy Numerology from http://
www.five12.com -check it out!

It really depends what you are trying to do. The mute/trigger buttons 
can do several things based on your set up. However, if you are 
trying to turn E-Mu tracks on and off remotely from your software 
sequencer, I don't think you can do that on a one-to-one basic.

If you have single channel data on separate tracks (track one only 
has midi data on channel 10 and no other track has data on channel 
10, for example), you could mute that track by setting channel 10 
volume to 0.

I am not sure this is what you are trying to do, though. 

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ignant666" <ignant666@y...> wrote:
> I think I have figured out that the mute buttons are useless when
> controlling the xx7 from computer sequencer because they mute
> sequencer tracks, not midi channels-is this right? 

[snip]

okay, I'm being unclear. I'm  running my mp7 sequenced by my mac. when I hit play, 
sound comes out of every channel w/data regardless of whether the track mute light 
is lit or dark, although the volume controller knobs work normally. I'm guessing this 
is because they are sequencer track mutes and I'm not using the sequencer, only the 
synth part. 
I want to have the track mute buttons work like they do when using the internal mp7 
sequencer, ie if button is lit, track is heard, unlit, track is muted.
It occurred to me that the workaround might involve configuring the trigger buttons 
to send mute messages to the computer app- is there a more straightforward way to 
do this?
Thanx for prompt reply to muddled question and any further illumination
ignant666

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> It really depends what you are trying to do. The mute/trigger buttons 
> can do several things based on your set up. However, if you are 
> trying to turn E-Mu tracks on and off remotely from your software 
> sequencer, I don't think you can do that on a one-to-one basic.
> 
> If you have single channel data on separate tracks (track one only 
> has midi data on channel 10 and no other track has data on channel 
> 10, for example), you could mute that track by setting channel 10 
> volume to 0.
> 
> I am not sure this is what you are trying to do, though. 
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ignant666" <ignant666@y...> wrote:
> > I think I have figured out that the mute buttons are useless when
> > controlling the xx7 from computer sequencer because they mute
> > sequencer tracks, not midi channels-is this right? 
> 
> [snip]

You guessed right, the mutes only interrupt the output from the 
internal sequencer (to the synth or MIDI out). 

Triggers can send note-ons but not CCs, so I don't know if there's a 
workaround unless you have something like Max (www.cycling74.com), 
which will allow you to remap MIDI messages at will (along with lots 
of other cool things - it's a great tool).

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ignant666" <ignant666@y...> wrote:
> okay, I'm being unclear. I'm  running my mp7 sequenced by my mac. 
when I hit play, 
> sound comes out of every channel w/data regardless of whether the 
track mute light 
> is lit or dark, although the volume controller knobs work normally. 
I'm guessing this 
> is because they are sequencer track mutes and I'm not using the 
sequencer, only the 
> synth part. 
> I want to have the track mute buttons work like they do when using 
the internal mp7 
> sequencer, ie if button is lit, track is heard, unlit, track is 
muted.
> It occurred to me that the workaround might involve configuring the 
trigger buttons 
> to send mute messages to the computer app- is there a more 
straightforward way to 
> do this?
> Thanx for prompt reply to muddled question and any further 
illumination
> ignant666
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> > It really depends what you are trying to do. The mute/trigger 
buttons 
> > can do several things based on your set up. However, if you are 
> > trying to turn E-Mu tracks on and off remotely from your software 
> > sequencer, I don't think you can do that on a one-to-one basic.
> > 
> > If you have single channel data on separate tracks (track one 
only 
> > has midi data on channel 10 and no other track has data on 
channel 
> > 10, for example), you could mute that track by setting channel 10 
> > volume to 0.
> > 
> > I am not sure this is what you are trying to do, though. 
> > 
> > --Steve
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ignant666" <ignant666@y...> wrote:
> > > I think I have figured out that the mute buttons are useless 
when

> > > controlling the xx7 from computer sequencer because they mute
> > > sequencer tracks, not midi channels-is this right? 
> > 
> > [snip]

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ignant666" <ignant666@y...> wrote:

[snip] 

> when I hit play, 
> sound comes out of every channel w/data regardless of whether the
> track mute light is lit or dark, although the volume controller
> knobs work normally.

[snip]

> I want to have the track mute buttons work like they do when using
> the internal mp7 sequencer, ie if button is lit, track is heard,
> unlit, track is muted.

I think I understand. Let me know if this is right: You want to use 
the MP-7 as a sound module only with the sequences being played from 
the Mac sequencer (no sequences being played from the MP-7).

BUT:

You want to be able to mute the Mac sequences with buttons on the MP-
7.

If so, the only way I can think to do that is if your Mac software 
can be programmed to turn the sequences on and off with note 
triggers.  If so, you might be able to use the 16 MP-7 buttons in 
>>note<< trigger mode.  

> It occurred to me that the workaround might involve configuring the 
trigger buttons 
> to send mute messages to the computer app- is there a more 
straightforward way to 
> do this?




> Thanx for prompt reply to muddled question and any further 
illumination
> ignant666

Yes, you both confirm that there is no way to do this, short of convincing computer 
app to mute say channel 1 when receiving a note triggered by trigger button 1.
i just want to be able to mute multiple channels of sound with hardware buttons.
Oh well. 
Thanx
ignant666
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ignant666" <ignant666@y...> wrote:
> 
> [snip] 
> 
> > when I hit play, 
> > sound comes out of every channel w/data regardless of whether the
> > track mute light is lit or dark, although the volume controller
> > knobs work normally.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I want to have the track mute buttons work like they do when using
> > the internal mp7 sequencer, ie if button is lit, track is heard,
> > unlit, track is muted.
> 
> I think I understand. Let me know if this is right: You want to use 
> the MP-7 as a sound module only with the sequences being played from 
> the Mac sequencer (no sequences being played from the MP-7).
> 
> BUT:
> 
> You want to be able to mute the Mac sequences with buttons on the MP-
> 7.
> 
> If so, the only way I can think to do that is if your Mac software 
> can be programmed to turn the sequences on and off with note 
> triggers.  If so, you might be able to use the 16 MP-7 buttons in 
> >>note<< trigger mode.  
> 
> > It occurred to me that the workaround might involve configuring the 
> trigger buttons 
> > to send mute messages to the computer app- is there a more 
> straightforward way to 
> > do this?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Thanx for prompt reply to muddled question and any further 
> illumination
> > ignant666

Yeah, I think you would need to set up the Mutes in trigger mode (probably 
to note mode?), and then make sure you software interprets these as 
channel mutes.  This can be done in SX's generic remote setup, not sure 
what app you're using though.

rEalm





It occurred to me that the workaround might involve configuring the 
trigger buttons 
to send mute messages to the computer app- is there a more straightforward 
way to 
do this?








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Yeah, but it shouldn't be that hard to do this, so you can still get it to 
work.

rEalm





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08/25/2004 06:28 PM
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Yes, you both confirm that there is no way to do this, short of convincing 
computer 
app to mute say channel 1 when receiving a note triggered by trigger 
button 1.
i just want to be able to mute multiple channels of sound with hardware 
buttons.
Oh well. 
Thanx
ignant666
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ignant666" <ignant666@y...> wrote:
> 
> [snip] 
> 
> > when I hit play, 
> > sound comes out of every channel w/data regardless of whether the
> > track mute light is lit or dark, although the volume controller
> > knobs work normally.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I want to have the track mute buttons work like they do when using
> > the internal mp7 sequencer, ie if button is lit, track is heard,
> > unlit, track is muted.
> 
> I think I understand. Let me know if this is right: You want to use 
> the MP-7 as a sound module only with the sequences being played from 
> the Mac sequencer (no sequences being played from the MP-7).
> 
> BUT:
> 
> You want to be able to mute the Mac sequences with buttons on the MP-
> 7.
> 
> If so, the only way I can think to do that is if your Mac software 
> can be programmed to turn the sequences on and off with note 
> triggers.  If so, you might be able to use the 16 MP-7 buttons in 
> >>note<< trigger mode. 
> 
> > It occurred to me that the workaround might involve configuring the 
> trigger buttons 
> > to send mute messages to the computer app- is there a more 
> straightforward way to 
> > do this?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Thanx for prompt reply to muddled question and any further 
> illumination
> > ignant666




 
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