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any suggestions on making jungle

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "craigtim222" <craigtim222@y...> wrote:
> any suggestions on making jungle

I think you need to be a little more specific about what you're 
looking for.  Which Command Station do you have, any expansion ROMs, 
are you looking for help on the patterns, the sounds, or both?

Does anyone have a link to tutorials on jungle?

Steve

I'm also interested in reading responses to these questions.  

I got my XL7 last Friday and have been plugging along with the manual 
since.  The X-Lead ROM includes a demo song that is in the 
jungle/drum-and-bass style - "Fire Escape".  I figure I'd find a way 
to copy it and study it for ideas on making jungle beats.

As implied by my first sentence, I haven't found the "best" tutorial -
 but I just now did a Google search for "drum and bass tutorial" and 
got lots of hits.  You could also go a Google on "amen break" and get 
the sample that is supposedly the most-used drum phrase sample in 
jungle, and maybe try to reproduce it with the Command Station 
sequencer and internal sounds.  I think a lot of these websites will 
suggest taking a drum phrase/loop and editing it and/or splicing 
other audio files to it with a sampler or audio editor and making 
breakbeats that way but I think it would be more fun and educational 
do to it with the XL-7 by itself.

Paolo

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> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "craigtim222" <craigtim222@y...> wrote:
> > any suggestions on making jungle
> 
> I think you need to be a little more specific about what you're 
> looking for.  Which Command Station do you have, any expansion 
ROMs, 

> are you looking for help on the patterns, the sounds, or both?
> 
> Does anyone have a link to tutorials on jungle?
> 
> Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" <paolovalladolid@y...>
wrote: 
> got lots of hits.  You could also go a Google on "amen break" and get 
> the sample that is supposedly the most-used drum phrase sample in 

Ok, it took me a little longer than I thought to find a soundfile of
the Amen Break, but it's on this page:

http://formen.ign.com/news/29351.html?fromint=1

Also, you'll recognize other breaks later used in rap, hip-hop, etc.

Bob your head really fast...

rEalm





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www.dogsonacid.com will sort you out.  Still think you should bob your 
head really fast though.  :)

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "craigtim222" <craigtim222@y...> wrote:
> any suggestions on making jungle

I think you need to be a little more specific about what you're 
looking for.  Which Command Station do you have, any expansion ROMs, 
are you looking for help on the patterns, the sounds, or both?

Does anyone have a link to tutorials on jungle?

Steve



 
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i tried that

erik_magrini@... wrote:www.dogsonacid.com will sort you out.  Still think you should bob your 
head really fast though.  :)

rEalm





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--- In xl7@...m, "craigtim222" <craigtim222@y...> wrote:
> any suggestions on making jungle

I think you need to be a little more specific about what you're 
looking for.  Which Command Station do you have, any expansion ROMs, 
are you looking for help on the patterns, the sounds, or both?

Does anyone have a link to tutorials on jungle?

Steve




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craig welch wrote:

>> erik_magrini@... wrote:
>> 
>> www.dogsonacid.com will sort you out.  Still
>> think you should bob your
>> head really fast though.  :)
>> 
>> rEalm
>
> i tried that

first step for jungle is to invest in a good leather loincloth. learning how
to communicate with beasts in the wild is also useful.
-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruddah Max <bruddahmax@c...> wrote:
> first step for jungle is to invest in a good leather loincloth. 
learning how
> to communicate with beasts in the wild is also useful.

LOL!  I enjoyed watching the Beastmaster TV show for a while.

Found another useful starting point in the XL-7 - Pattern #127 
("Stepper").  As part of my XL-7 learning process, I'm going to build 
a sequence using that pattern as a building block.  After all, 
imitation is a time-honored traditional learning method.

Paolo

That's a good idea, disecting the pre-existing patterns can often be a 
good starting point for learnign how unfamiliar styles of music are 
written.  If ou have access to a software sequencer, you might want to 
load up the Pattern data in that too, as it can be easier to see excatly 
where the notes are placed for each track then.

rEalm



Found another useful starting point in the XL-7 - Pattern #127 
("Stepper").  As part of my XL-7 learning process, I'm going to build 
a sequence using that pattern as a building block.  After all, 
imitation is a time-honored traditional learning method.

Paolo




 
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "craigtim222" <craigtim222@y...> wrote:
> any suggestions on making jungle

Here's my two cents' worth.  Disclaimer:  this is my opinion only, 
and I may be completely and abjectly wrong.  My comments will 
probably upset somebody anyway.

Although jungle/d-n-b are a clearly defined style, the formula is 
fairly rigid, and to produce 'credible' music in this genre, you 
really need to focus on TIMBRE.

People generally latch on to the compositional conventions, namely 
fast drumming and slow bass lines, but in my opinion, it isn't really 
about that; it's all about using the right sounds.  Actually, 
SPECIFIC sounds.  Specific samples. (i.e. "amen break")  If you don't 
have the right samples, then you don't have the right tools at your 
disposal.

You can try to coax sounds out of the XX-7 that are reasonably close 
to the "correct" timbres, but they are just that: close.  The Protean 
Drums has a kit (can't remember the name, but it's the second preset) 
that is suitable.

One particular track I found helpful in dissecting/understanding the 
style is "Time Flies (slow)" by Orbital, from the "Sad But New" EP 
that was included in early pressings of the "In Sides" album. 
(unfortunately now out of print).  It's pure jungle, but recorded at 
half speed so you can clearly hear how the drum breaks are put 
together, etc.  What more could you ask?!

In my opinion, jungle's big downfall is that the formula is so rigid 
that it has left itself nowhere to go, and that the style was played 
out a couple of years ago.  It seems pretty damn tired to me.

Your mileage may vary.  Good luck.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> That's a good idea, disecting the pre-existing patterns can often 
be a 
> good starting point for learnign how unfamiliar styles of music are 
> written.  If ou have access to a software sequencer, you might want 
to 
> load up the Pattern data in that too, as it can be easier to see 
excatly 
> where the notes are placed for each track then.
> 
> rEalm

Interesting suggestion.  Thanks as always!

I have Logic Audio Big Box, which I bought last year and still 
haven't opened (shortly after, I joined my first orchestra and was 
busily practicing to get up to speed).  I'm debating the relative 
merits of staying on the Logic platform or switching over to MOTU.  I 
don't have a real mixer yet to organize the audio outputs of the XL-7 
and my 2 Nord synths and am trying to decide between a "traditional" 
Mackie type mixer or a MOTU 828MkII which could do double duty as a 
Firewire audio interface and mixer.  If I choose the latter, I hear 
Digital Performer integrates especially well with the 828MkII.

Basically, I'm still not finished assembling my bedroom studio and 
just want to get gear (audio multitracking software, mixer, audio 
interface) that will work well together. I read horror stories all 
the time about gear that won't play nice with each other ;)

Paolo

Given this:

> it's all about using the right sounds.  Actually, 
> SPECIFIC sounds.  Specific samples. (i.e. "amen break")  If you 
don't 
> have the right samples, then you don't have the right tools at your 
> disposal.

And this:

> In my opinion, jungle's big downfall is that the formula is so 
rigid 
> that it has left itself nowhere to go, and that the style was 
played 
> out a couple of years ago.  It seems pretty damn tired to me.

It seems that doing "inappropriate" jungle might be just the way to 
breathe some life into it.

I hate the whole microgenre musical pigeonhole thing myself. Screw 
the taxonomists, do what sounds good to YOU.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" <paolovalladolid@y...> 
> Basically, I'm still not finished assembling my bedroom studio and 
> just want to get gear (audio multitracking software, mixer, audio 
> interface) that will work well together. I read horror stories all 
> the time about gear that won't play nice with each other ;)

My advice would be: learn to use what you have and don't buy anything 
new until you've mastered your current tools, know what they're 
capable of, and know exactly what needs you still have to fill.

Buying gear without knowing your tools is a good way to create a 
horror story of your own. Keeps eBay busy though.

Word to this.
Dnb is a genre of music that uses the instruments in a whole  different way.  Your basically using them in a way that was never intended (dark, rugged, distorted, beafy sounds.  loud bangin drums..etc..)
 
If what you want is amens, then the xx-7 is not the machine.  I make dnb, but preffer to make my own beats (that I personally think sound excellent) (using protean, mo-phatt, and x-lead).  So if what you want is ragga jungle or that real old mashed up sound, get a software program.  Amens are all sample based..
 
The xx-7 imo is a machine that does take dnb to another level.  No one thought this machine would suite my needs prior to investing in it.  I've had it for about 3-4 months and I'm making the stuff I've always wanted to hear, but no one makes... (which is why I even started to produce) 
 
So, like everyone says, "It's not what you got, but how you use it"
Look outside of the box. Any good dnb/jungle can be made with just a simple beat kit and a few sounds with some knobs.  I personally have learned that you can't take other people's advice when it comes to hardware.  Try it, test it out, and see if it suites your needs.
 
Hope this helps.  
Peace

robotchas <robotchas@...> wrote:
Given this:

> it's all about using the right sounds.  Actually, 
> SPECIFIC sounds.  Specific samples. (i.e. "amen break")  If you 
don't 
> have the right samples, then you don't have the right tools at your 
> disposal.

And this:

> In my opinion, jungle's big downfall is that the formula is so 
rigid 
> that it has left itself nowhere to go, and that the style was 
played 
> out a couple of years ago.  It seems pretty damn tired to me.

It seems that doing "inappropriate" jungle might be just the way to 
breathe some life into it.

I hate the whole microgenre musical pigeonhole thing myself. Screw 
the taxonomists, do what sounds good to YOU.



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Seems to me the most interesting tools are not the ones that allow 
you to do what other people have done, but those that allow you to do 
what other people *haven't* done.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, DJ 4TFY <dj4tfy@s...> wrote:
> The xx-7 imo is a machine that does take dnb to another level.  No 
one thought this machine would suite my needs prior to investing in 
it.  I've had it for about 3-4 months and I'm making the stuff I've 
always wanted to hear, but no one makes... (which is why I even 
started to produce)

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> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" 
<paolovalladolid@y...> 
> > Basically, I'm still not finished assembling my bedroom studio 
and 
> > just want to get gear (audio multitracking software, mixer, audio 
> > interface) that will work well together. I read horror stories 
all 
> > the time about gear that won't play nice with each other ;)
> 
> My advice would be: learn to use what you have and don't buy 
anything 
> new until you've mastered your current tools, know what they're 
> capable of, and know exactly what needs you still have to fill.
> 
> Buying gear without knowing your tools is a good way to create a 
> horror story of your own. Keeps eBay busy though.

Understood, though it's too late for me - I bought my Nord synths the 
same time I bought the XL-7 - price on both was too good to pass up.  
I did, however, put the Micromodular back in its box when I got the 
XL-7 Friday night and have left it in there ever since.  The G2 is 
still in its box unopened.  I had already decided as of that Friday 
night that those Nords are staying in their boxes until I get a 
really good handle on the XL-7.

If I follow your advice closely enough, I shouldn't sell my Logic 
Audio Big Box (which is, btw, unopened) and buy a replacement.  
Whether I sell it or not, I will need something to record multitrack 
audio sooner or later and I need MIDI sequencing software to follow 
rEALm's advice.

Paolo

The Clavia Nords are excellent machines for dnb/jungle or electro.  The possibilities with those are unlimited!  

paolovalladolid <paolovalladolid@...> wrote:
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" 
<paolovalladolid@y...> 
> > Basically, I'm still not finished assembling my bedroom studio 
and 
> > just want to get gear (audio multitracking software, mixer, audio 
> > interface) that will work well together. I read horror stories 
all 
> > the time about gear that won't play nice with each other ;)
> 
> My advice would be: learn to use what you have and don't buy 
anything 
> new until you've mastered your current tools, know what they're 
> capable of, and know exactly what needs you still have to fill.
> 
> Buying gear without knowing your tools is a good way to create a 
> horror story of your own. Keeps eBay busy though.

Understood, though it's too late for me - I bought my Nord synths the 
same time I bought the XL-7 - price on both was too good to pass up.  
I did, however, put the Micromodular back in its box when I got the 
XL-7 Friday night and have left it in there ever since.  The G2 is 
still in its box unopened.  I had already decided as of that Friday 
night that those Nords are staying in their boxes until I get a 
really good handle on the XL-7.

If I follow your advice closely enough, I shouldn't sell my Logic 
Audio Big Box (which is, btw, unopened) and buy a replacement.  
Whether I sell it or not, I will need something to record multitrack 
audio sooner or later and I need MIDI sequencing software to follow 
rEALm's advice.

Paolo


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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" <paolovalladolid@y...> 
> Understood, though it's too late for me - I bought my Nord synths 
the 
> same time I bought the XL-7 - price on both was too good to pass 
up.  

I'm not passing judgment on what you've got - the Nords are fine 
tools that will allow you to do lots of things the XL won't. I'm just 
saying, you've got a good start, now spend some time learning what 
you can do with what you have before you worry about what you don't 
have.

The Modular can easily suck up all your time and energy, so be 
prepared when you do take it out of the box.

> If I follow your advice closely enough, I shouldn't sell my Logic 
> Audio Big Box (which is, btw, unopened) and buy a replacement.  

Or, don't sell it until you're sure you aren't going to use it and 
need something else instead.

> Whether I sell it or not, I will need something to record 
multitrack 
> audio sooner or later and I need MIDI sequencing software to follow 
> rEALm's advice.

True, and while Logic and DP have some differences, they're more 
similar than not. Either one would fill those needs and then some. 
Which is better for you is something that will take some thought, 
research, and experience to determine.

paolovalladolid wrote:

> I have Logic Audio Big Box, which I bought last year and still
> haven't opened (shortly after, I joined my first orchestra and was
> busily practicing to get up to speed).  I'm debating the relative
> merits of staying on the Logic platform or switching over to MOTU.  I
> don't have a real mixer yet to organize the audio outputs of the XL-7
> and my 2 Nord synths and am trying to decide between a "traditional"
> Mackie type mixer or a MOTU 828MkII which could do double duty as a
> Firewire audio interface and mixer.  If I choose the latter, I hear
> Digital Performer integrates especially well with the 828MkII.

i use DP4 and it is swell indeed. it has useful things like an actual Drum
Editor and the ability to timestretch/compress all audio bits at the same
time to match MIDI tempo and vice versa, which i still wonder why other apps
don't have such a function. i've used DP since 2.72 so i'm a bit biased
against Logic.

Logic shines with virtual instruments, though. if i were going to be working
on just a laptop with a little controller keyboard, the combination of Logic
Platinum, Reason, and a few choice softsynths.

working with hardware, though, DP is hard to beat, as both FreeMIDI (Mac OS
9) and CoreMIDI (Mac OS X) do a better job of patchlist management than
Logic's environment does. in Mac OS 9 i have both DP 3.11 and Unisyn 2.0.2,
which has an excellent editor/librarian for the Command Station synths. i am
planning on upgrading Unisyn to version 2.1 which purportedly brings the
same patchlist/editor/librarian integration into the Mac OS X arena.

-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

How do you figure?  I may suggest software sequencers for certain tasks, 
but they rarely are something that's required. 

rEalm



I will need something to record multitrack audio sooner or later and I 
need MIDI sequencing software to follow 
rEALm's advice.

Paolo




 
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "paolovalladolid" > I'm not passing 
judgment on what you've got - the Nords are fine 
> tools that will allow you to do lots of things the XL won't. I'm 
just 
> saying, you've got a good start, now spend some time learning what 
> you can do with what you have before you worry about what you don't 
> have.

I interpreted your post as friendly concern rather than judgement. :) 
Thanks!

> > If I follow your advice closely enough, I shouldn't sell my Logic 
> > Audio Big Box (which is, btw, unopened) and buy a replacement.  
> 
> Or, don't sell it until you're sure you aren't going to use it and 
> need something else instead.
> 
> > Whether I sell it or not, I will need something to record 
> multitrack 
> > audio sooner or later and I need MIDI sequencing software to 
follow 
> > rEALm's advice.
> 
> True, and while Logic and DP have some differences, they're more 
> similar than not. Either one would fill those needs and then some. 
> Which is better for you is something that will take some thought, 
> research, and experience to determine.

Fair enough.  I could save the time I would have spent putting up my 
Logic Audio Big Box and M-Audio interfaces (Firewire 410 - which I 
originally got for my iBook to try to alleviate its struggles with 
FM7 and Numerology - didn't work; and Delta 66 - for recording on my 
PowerMac G4 - still in the box because I hadn't gotten around to 
recording audio yet) on eBay and replacing them with a MOTU 828MkII 
and DP by simply sticking with what I have.  And as you allude, it 
could be valuable time indeed.

Paolo

You suggested I could use a software sequencer to see where MIDI 
events are laid out exactly when studying factory sequences/patterns 
from the XL-7.  But I didn't interpret that as an absolute 
requirement.

I'll definitely keep it in mind when I decide on staying with Logic 
(even though my Big Box is still yet to be opened) vs switching to DP 
for my multitracking needs.

Paolo

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> How do you figure?  I may suggest software sequencers for certain 
tasks, 
> but they rarely are something that's required. 
> 
> rEalm
> 
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> 
> I will need something to record multitrack audio sooner or later 
and I 
> need MIDI sequencing software to follow 
> rEALm's advice.
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Thanks fellas for these excellent posts.

I started to take Command Stations seriously when I got frustrated 
with my underpowered iBook (on which I was using Numerology and FM7 
for improvised sequencing) and found out these beasts could be gotten 
at excellent value for the money.  That's the main reason I started 
looking for one and found my XL-7.  I'm convinced the XL-7 will allow 
me to take the sequencer-as-an-instrument idea to the next level (the 
internal synth is no joke too, of course, especially with the 
expansion ROMS).  My study of the XL-7's included d-n-b style 
patterns/sequences is not with imitation as the ultimate goal - I too 
feel this study will serve as a springboard to other things.

Paolo

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, DJ 4TFY <dj4tfy@s...> wrote:
> Word to this.
> Dnb is a genre of music that uses the instruments in a whole  
different way.  Your basically using them in a way that was never 
intended (dark, rugged, distorted, beafy sounds.  loud bangin 
drums..etc..)
>  
> If what you want is amens, then the xx-7 is not the machine.  I 
make dnb, but preffer to make my own beats (that I personally think 
sound excellent) (using protean, mo-phatt, and x-lead).  So if what 
you want is ragga jungle or that real old mashed up sound, get a 
software program.  Amens are all sample based..
>  
> The xx-7 imo is a machine that does take dnb to another level.  No 
one thought this machine would suite my needs prior to investing in 
it.  I've had it for about 3-4 months and I'm making the stuff I've 
always wanted to hear, but no one makes... (which is why I even 
started to produce) 
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> Look outside of the box. Any good dnb/jungle can be made with just 
a simple beat kit and a few sounds with some knobs.  I personally 
have learned that you can't take other people's advice when it comes 
to hardware.  Try it, test it out, and see if it suites your needs.
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> Given this:
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> > it's all about using the right sounds.  Actually, 
> > SPECIFIC sounds.  Specific samples. (i.e. "amen break")  If you 
> don't 
> > have the right samples, then you don't have the right tools at 
your 
> > disposal.
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> > In my opinion, jungle's big downfall is that the formula is so 
> rigid 
> > that it has left itself nowhere to go, and that the style was 
> played 
> > out a couple of years ago.  It seems pretty damn tired to me.
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> It seems that doing "inappropriate" jungle might be just the way to 
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here's some breaks

http://www.dancemusicshop.com/software/free_samples.html
has a good chopped up amen

http://www.moon-net.de/Samples/Breaks/breaks.html
lots of breaks

if you seqeunce it then techniclly its not an "amen" as an "amen" is 
the sampled drum break from a winston brothers song..  ;)

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be a 
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want to 
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excatly 
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infradead wrote:

> if you seqeunce it then techniclly its not an "amen" as an "amen" is
> the sampled drum break from a winston brothers song..  ;)

well if you want to be a stickler about it. i've heard plenty of amens
though that were sequenced and obviously so, as the sounds were replaced
with similar but different sounds than those in the original "amen" sample.
the beat is the same, though, and the beat is the amen break, not the actual
sample, although that's where the beat comes from.

personally i can't stand amen songs anymore - they're all the same. it's
like apache raps - move on already and develop a new beat! :D
-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

There's plenty of free midi sequencers you could use for something simple 
like this too.  Muzy's comes to mind, you an get it with a copy of 
Computer Music magazine even.

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04/21/2004 03:09 PM
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You suggested I could use a software sequencer to see where MIDI 
events are laid out exactly when studying factory sequences/patterns 
from the XL-7.  But I didn't interpret that as an absolute 
requirement.

I'll definitely keep it in mind when I decide on staying with Logic 
(even though my Big Box is still yet to be opened) vs switching to DP 
for my multitracking needs.

Paolo

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Please, for the love of god, if you want to make DnB, don't use the Amen 
break anymore, it's getting so played out at this point, it's not even 
funny.  Ditto for Apache and Funky Drummer.   :)

rEalm






here's some breaks

http://www.dancemusicshop.com/software/free_samples.html
has a good chopped up amen

http://www.moon-net.de/Samples/Breaks/breaks.html
lots of breaks

if you seqeunce it then techniclly its not an "amen" as an "amen" is 
the sampled drum break from a winston brothers song..  ;)


 






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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> There's plenty of free midi sequencers you could use for something 
simple 
> like this too.  Muzy's comes to mind, you an get it with a copy of 
> Computer Music magazine even.
> 
> rEalm

Thanks!  Though I'll probably just use Logic since I already have it.

Paolo