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Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it have to be sdx pads?

i know the sdx pads can be used as "normal" pads, since they also have a
piezo on board, but to trigger the sdx you need to have the sdx pads.
They have fsr's (force sensing resistor's) and hence use another principle
then normal triggerpads, which use piezo's

Berk

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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@yahoo.com>
>Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:11:27 -0000
>Subject: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it have
>to be sdx pads?
>

you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get positional sensing

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@...> wrote:

>
> Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it have to be sdx pads?
>

the SDX pads do not have piezos (only snare for the rim trigger and the bassdrum), they have FSR foils and you cannot use them with any other module but the SDX unless you do some modifications

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:

>
> i know the sdx pads can be used as "normal" pads, since they also have a
> piezo on board, but to trigger the sdx you need to have the sdx pads.
> They have fsr's (force sensing resistor's) and hence use another principle
> then normal triggerpads, which use piezo's
> 
> Berk
> 
> 
> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >From: "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@...>
> >Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:11:27 -0000
> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it have
> >to be sdx pads?
> >
>

Sorry
indeed only the snare's
it's been quit a while

Berk


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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...>
>Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:22:07 -0000
>Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>the SDX pads do not have piezos (only snare for the rim trigger and the
bassdrum),
>they have FSR foils and you cannot use them with any other module but the
>SDX unless you do some modifications
>
>--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:
>>
>> i know the sdx pads can be used as "normal" pads, since they also have
>a
>> piezo on board, but to trigger the sdx you need to have the sdx pads.
>> They have fsr's (force sensing resistor's) and hence use another principle
>> then normal triggerpads, which use piezo's
>> 
>> Berk
>> 
>> 
>> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >From: "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@...>
>> >Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:11:27 -0000
>> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> >
>> >Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it
have

>> >to be sdx pads?
>> >
>>
>
>

50 push-ups

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:

>
> Sorry
> indeed only the snare's
> it's been quit a while
> 
> Berk
> 
> 
> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...>
> >Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:22:07 -0000
> >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >the SDX pads do not have piezos (only snare for the rim trigger and the
> bassdrum),
> >they have FSR foils and you cannot use them with any other module but the
> >SDX unless you do some modifications
> >
> >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@> wrote:
> >>
> >> i know the sdx pads can be used as "normal" pads, since they also have
> >a
> >> piezo on board, but to trigger the sdx you need to have the sdx pads.
> >> They have fsr's (force sensing resistor's) and hence use another principle
> >> then normal triggerpads, which use piezo's
> >> 
> >> Berk
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> >From: "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@>
> >> >Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:11:27 -0000
> >> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
> >> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it
> have
> >> >to be sdx pads?
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

done!
need a beer and a cigarette now, is that okay?


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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...>
>Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:09:22 -0000
>Subject: Betr: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>50 push-ups
>
>--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry
>> indeed only the snare's
>> it's been quit a while
>> 
>> Berk
>> 
>> 
>> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...>
>> >Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:22:07 -0000
>> >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> >
>> >the SDX pads do not have piezos (only snare for the rim trigger and the
>> bassdrum),
>> >they have FSR foils and you cannot use them with any other module but
>the
>> >SDX unless you do some modifications
>> >
>> >--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i know the sdx pads can be used as "normal" pads, since they also have
>> >a
>> >> piezo on board, but to trigger the sdx you need to have the sdx pads.
>> >> They have fsr's (force sensing resistor's) and hence use another principle
>> >> then normal triggerpads, which use piezo's
>> >> 
>> >> Berk
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>> >> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >From: "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@>
>> >> >Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:11:27 -0000
>> >> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>> >> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does
it

>> have
>> >> >to be sdx pads?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't know about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise on an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or surfaces on the Portakit?

Jim Stewart


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...> wrote:

>
> you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get positional sensing
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it have to be sdx pads?
> >
>

portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the Portakit does not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs had been used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross triggering. It's just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37" <jimstew37@...> wrote:

>
> How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't know about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise on an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or surfaces on the Portakit?
> 
> Jim Stewart
> 
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70" <superwolle70@> wrote:
> >
> > you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get positional sensing
> > 
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco" <morrisphilco@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or does it have to be sdx pads?
> > >
> >
>

Dave told me years ago that FSR's on the pads are sending a modulation  
signal following the hit position..
We could probably  trig positions via midi if using a modulation  
signal in add ...


Le 11 sept. 09 à 21:21, superwolle70 a écrit :

> portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the Portakit does  
> not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both  
> provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs had been  
> used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross triggering. It's  
> just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37" <jimstew37@...>  
> wrote:
> >
> > How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that  
> matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't know  
> about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise on  
> an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or surfaces  
> on the Portakit?
> >
> > Jim Stewart
> >
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"  
> <superwolle70@> wrote:
> > >
> > > you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get  
> positional sensing
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco"  
> <morrisphilco@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or  
> does it have to be sdx pads?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> 



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I opened a SDX pad a few times
IMO they are FSR's, but they sense the positioning by a kind off wireframe
underneath the foil. The positioning information is send as modulation info
on the midi out.(for sequencing etc). Sequencing made every computer go wild
(and crash) since there was to much information on the midi going on.
So sending back modulation while hitting a pad might give the positional
sensing idea. BUT: me as a drummer needs both hands to play the drums, so
no hand free for tweaking a modulation wheel. And you would need a wheel
for every pad
Still the SDX is great!!

Berk

>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:10:27 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Dave told me years ago that FSR's on the pads are sending a modulation 

>signal following the hit position..
>We could probably  trig positions via midi if using a modulation  
>signal in add ...
>
>
>Le 11 sept. 09 à 21:21, superwolle70 a écrit :
>
>> portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the Portakit does  
>> not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both  
>> provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs had been  
>> used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross triggering. It's  
>> just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR
>>
>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37" <jimstew37@...>  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that  
>> matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't know  
>> about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise on  
>> an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or surfaces 

>> on the Portakit?
>> >
>> > Jim Stewart
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"  
>> <superwolle70@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get  
>> positional sensing
>> > >
>> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco"  
>> <morrisphilco@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or  
>> does it have to be sdx pads?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

what about a continuous signal pedal ?


Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:50, Berk Aarts a écrit :

> I opened a SDX pad a few times
> IMO they are FSR's, but they sense the positioning by a kind off  
> wireframe
> underneath the foil. The positioning information is send as  
> modulation info
> on the midi out.(for sequencing etc). Sequencing made every computer  
> go wild
> (and crash) since there was to much information on the midi going on.
> So sending back modulation while hitting a pad might give the  
> positional
> sensing idea. BUT: me as a drummer needs both hands to play the  
> drums, so
> no hand free for tweaking a modulation wheel. And you would need a  
> wheel
> for every pad
> Still the SDX is great!!
>
> Berk
>
>
>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:10:27 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dave told me years ago that FSR's on the pads are sending a  
>> modulation
>
>> signal following the hit position..
>> We could probably  trig positions via midi if using a modulation
>> signal in add ...
>>
>>
>> Le 11 sept. 09 à 21:21, superwolle70 a écrit :
>>
>>> portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the Portakit does
>>> not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both
>>> provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs had been
>>> used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross triggering. It's
>>> just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR
>>>
>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37" <jimstew37@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that
>>> matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't know
>>> about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise on
>>> an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or surfaces
>
>>> on the Portakit?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Stewart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
>>> <superwolle70@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get
>>> positional sensing
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco"
>>> <morrisphilco@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or
>>> does it have to be sdx pads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

or modulation values edited on a drumkat ... followong the pads... the  
pressure...the hh pedal ...the breathcontroller...  the D-Beam from a  
Roland system ...



Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:52, Patrice Jacquot a écrit :

> what about a continuous signal pedal ?
>
> Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:50, Berk Aarts a écrit :
>
> > I opened a SDX pad a few times
> > IMO they are FSR's, but they sense the positioning by a kind off
> > wireframe
> > underneath the foil. The positioning information is send as
> > modulation info
> > on the midi out.(for sequencing etc). Sequencing made every computer
> > go wild
> > (and crash) since there was to much information on the midi going  
> on.
> > So sending back modulation while hitting a pad might give the
> > positional
> > sensing idea. BUT: me as a drummer needs both hands to play the
> > drums, so
> > no hand free for tweaking a modulation wheel. And you would need a
> > wheel
> > for every pad
> > Still the SDX is great!!
> >
> > Berk
> >
> >
> >> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:10:27 +0200
> >> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
> >> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave told me years ago that FSR's on the pads are sending a
> >> modulation
> >
> >> signal following the hit position..
> >> We could probably trig positions via midi if using a modulation
> >> signal in add ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 11 sept. 09 à 21:21, superwolle70 a écrit :
> >>
> >>> portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the Portakit  
> does
> >>> not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both
> >>> provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs had  
> been
> >>> used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross triggering. It's
> >>> just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR
> >>>
> >>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37" <jimstew37@...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that
> >>> matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't  
> know
> >>> about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise  
> on
> >>> an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or  
> surfaces
> >
> >>> on the Portakit?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim Stewart
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
> >>> <superwolle70@> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get
> >>> positional sensing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco"
> >>> <morrisphilco@> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or
> >>> does it have to be sdx pads?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

you still need one controller per pad, and what's the use?
Why trying to emulate something that isn't there. A pad from say a spd20
or trixer is to small, so no zoning possible
Take a Yamaha A3000 and assign 6 controllers up to velocity, that makes a
hell off nice sounds!! believe me, no music, but nice noise haahaaha
Joking, this really works great

Berk

>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:06:02 +0200
>Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>or modulation values edited on a drumkat ... followong the pads... the 

>pressure...the hh pedal ...the breathcontroller...  the D-Beam from a  
>Roland system ...
>
>
>
>Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:52, Patrice Jacquot a écrit :
>
>> what about a continuous signal pedal ?
>>
>> Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:50, Berk Aarts a écrit :
>>
>> > I opened a SDX pad a few times
>> > IMO they are FSR's, but they sense the positioning by a kind off
>> > wireframe
>> > underneath the foil. The positioning information is send as
>> > modulation info
>> > on the midi out.(for sequencing etc). Sequencing made every computer
>> > go wild
>> > (and crash) since there was to much information on the midi going  
>> on.
>> > So sending back modulation while hitting a pad might give the
>> > positional
>> > sensing idea. BUT: me as a drummer needs both hands to play the
>> > drums, so
>> > no hand free for tweaking a modulation wheel. And you would need a
>> > wheel
>> > for every pad
>> > Still the SDX is great!!
>> >
>> > Berk
>> >
>> >
>> >> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>> >> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >> From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>> >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:10:27 +0200
>> >> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
>> >> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dave told me years ago that FSR's on the pads are sending a
>> >> modulation
>> >
>> >> signal following the hit position..
>> >> We could probably trig positions via midi if using a modulation
>> >> signal in add ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Le 11 sept. 09 à 21:21, superwolle70 a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>> portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the Portakit  
>> does
>> >>> not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both
>> >>> provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs had  
>> been
>> >>> used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross triggering. It's
>> >>> just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR
>> >>>
>> >>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37" <jimstew37@...>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that
>> >>> matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't  
>> know
>> >>> about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise 

>> on
>> >>> an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or  
>> surfaces
>> >
>> >>> on the Portakit?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jim Stewart
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
>> >>> <superwolle70@> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get
>> >>> positional sensing
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco"
>> >>> <morrisphilco@> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or
>> >>> does it have to be sdx pads?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Back in 2002, I have seen a picture of an SDX kit that used the Hexa Head, SDS2000, and Mini Hex pads here http://www.sub-sound.co.uk/sdxdetails.html

This was before I ever saw the actual pads that went to the set and when I was doing more research on Simmons drum kits when I was on the hunt for a Simmons drum kit back then.

I am wondering if the response would be completely different from the ZI pads that were made for the unit. I think they would.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:

>
> you still need one controller per pad, and what's the use?
> Why trying to emulate something that isn't there. A pad from say a spd20
> or trixer is to small, so no zoning possible
> Take a Yamaha A3000 and assign 6 controllers up to velocity, that makes a
> hell off nice sounds!! believe me, no music, but nice noise haahaaha
> Joking, this really works great
> 
> Berk
> 
> 
> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> >Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:06:02 +0200
> >Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >or modulation values edited on a drumkat ... followong the pads... the 
> 
> >pressure...the hh pedal ...the breathcontroller...  the D-Beam from a  
> >Roland system ...
> >
> >
> >
> >Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:52, Patrice Jacquot a écrit :
> >
> >> what about a continuous signal pedal ?
> >>
> >> Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:50, Berk Aarts a écrit :
> >>
> >> > I opened a SDX pad a few times
> >> > IMO they are FSR's, but they sense the positioning by a kind off
> >> > wireframe
> >> > underneath the foil. The positioning information is send as
> >> > modulation info
> >> > on the midi out.(for sequencing etc). Sequencing made every computer
> >> > go wild
> >> > (and crash) since there was to much information on the midi going  
> >> on.
> >> > So sending back modulation while hitting a pad might give the
> >> > positional
> >> > sensing idea. BUT: me as a drummer needs both hands to play the
> >> > drums, so
> >> > no hand free for tweaking a modulation wheel. And you would need a
> >> > wheel
> >> > for every pad
> >> > Still the SDX is great!!
> >> >
> >> > Berk
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >> >> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:10:27 +0200
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
> >> >> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave told me years ago that FSR's on the pads are sending a
> >> >> modulation
> >> >
> >> >> signal following the hit position..
> >> >> We could probably trig positions via midi if using a modulation
> >> >> signal in add ...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Le 11 sept. 09 à 21:21, superwolle70 a écrit :
> >> >>
> >> >>> portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the Portakit  
> >> does
> >> >>> not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both
> >> >>> provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs had  
> >> been
> >> >>> used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross triggering. It's
> >> >>> just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37" <jimstew37@>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for that
> >> >>> matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I don't  
> >> know
> >> >>> about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones otherwise 
> 
> >> on
> >> >>> an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or  
> >> surfaces
> >> >
> >> >>> on the Portakit?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Jim Stewart
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
> >> >>> <superwolle70@> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't get
> >> >>> positional sensing
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco"
> >> >>> <morrisphilco@> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an sdx or
> >> >>> does it have to be sdx pads?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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they would !   & no zoning ....



Le 12 sept. 09 à 16:57, hamsterdrum85 a écrit :

> Back in 2002, I have seen a picture of an SDX kit that used the Hexa  
> Head, SDS2000, and Mini Hex pads here http://www.sub-sound.co.uk/sdxdetails.html
>
> This was before I ever saw the actual pads that went to the set and  
> when I was doing more research on Simmons drum kits when I was on  
> the hunt for a Simmons drum kit back then.
>
> I am wondering if the response would be completely different from  
> the ZI pads that were made for the unit. I think they would.
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...>  
> wrote:
> >
> > you still need one controller per pad, and what's the use?
> > Why trying to emulate something that isn't there. A pad from say a  
> spd20
> > or trixer is to small, so no zoning possible
> > Take a Yamaha A3000 and assign 6 controllers up to velocity, that  
> makes a
> > hell off nice sounds!! believe me, no music, but nice noise haahaaha
> > Joking, this really works great
> >
> > Berk
> >
> >
> > >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> > >Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:06:02 +0200
> > >Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads  
> with sdx?
> > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >or modulation values edited on a drumkat ... followong the  
> pads... the
> >
> > >pressure...the hh pedal ...the breathcontroller... the D-Beam  
> from a
> > >Roland system ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:52, Patrice Jacquot a écrit :
> > >
> > >> what about a continuous signal pedal ?
> > >>
> > >> Le 11 sept. 09 à 23:50, Berk Aarts a écrit :
> > >>
> > >> > I opened a SDX pad a few times
> > >> > IMO they are FSR's, but they sense the positioning by a kind  
> off
> > >> > wireframe
> > >> > underneath the foil. The positioning information is send as
> > >> > modulation info
> > >> > on the midi out.(for sequencing etc). Sequencing made every  
> computer
> > >> > go wild
> > >> > (and crash) since there was to much information on the midi  
> going
> > >> on.
> > >> > So sending back modulation while hitting a pad might give the
> > >> > positional
> > >> > sensing idea. BUT: me as a drummer needs both hands to play the
> > >> > drums, so
> > >> > no hand free for tweaking a modulation wheel. And you would  
> need a
> > >> > wheel
> > >> > for every pad
> > >> > Still the SDX is great!!
> > >> >
> > >> > Berk
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> > >> >> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >> From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> > >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:10:27 +0200
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Use any simmon pads with sdx?
> > >> >> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Dave told me years ago that FSR's on the pads are sending a
> > >> >> modulation
> > >> >
> > >> >> signal following the hit position..
> > >> >> We could probably trig positions via midi if using a  
> modulation
> > >> >> signal in add ...
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Le 11 sept. 09 à 21:21, superwolle70 a écrit :
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> portakit and SDX only work together via midi, but the  
> Portakit
> > >> does
> > >> >>> not support positional sensing as the SDX does. Although both
> > >> >>> provide FSR foils for triggering, the only reason why FSRs  
> had
> > >> been
> > >> >>> used in the Portakit was in order to avoid cross  
> triggering. It's
> > >> >>> just the same as today's Roland SPD20: It also uses FSR
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "jimstew37"  
> <jimstew37@>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> How well does something like the Portakit (or DrumKat, for  
> that
> > >> >>> matter) work with the SDX? They both use FSR, although I  
> don't
> > >> know
> > >> >>> about "zone intelligence." I'm guessing that the zones  
> otherwise
> >
> > >> on
> > >> >>> an SDX pad could then be spread out among different pads or
> > >> surfaces
> > >> >
> > >> >>> on the Portakit?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Jim Stewart
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
> > >> >>> <superwolle70@> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> you can trigger the sdx with any mono pad, but you won't  
> get
> > >> >>> positional sensing
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "morrisphilco"
> > >> >>> <morrisphilco@> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Is it possible to use any kind of simmons pad with an  
> sdx or
> > >> >>> does it have to be sdx pads?
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
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Yep
although the feel off the sdx pads is really nice, it's nothing compared
to a real drumkit. It's a different beast, as said before.
The fun with sdx is the ZI feature. There is no use in using an sdx and not
usin the ZI.

Berk