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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-09 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be willing to take it to his local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out. I think he could do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
 
I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but will be factory-new soon....
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=250336430502



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Re: As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-09 by superwolle70

I am jealous. Great bargain! Send some pics when they are reanimated!

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> GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be willing to take it to
his local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out. I think he
could do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
>  
> I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but will be
factory-new soon....
>  
>
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> 
> 
> 
> - Roland
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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-09 by jesper

rolandbrenner@... skrev:
> 
> 
> GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be willing to take it to his 
> local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out. I think he could 
> do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
> 
> I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but will be factory-new 
> soon....
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=250336430502 

Cool! I'd love a gang of original V's one day. I "only" have the bass. 
But I want them with black "skins". Not white nor rubber pleeeeez... :)

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-09 by sander villers

Jesper ,
 
I own a black gang of sdsv original pads Ist generation , 5 Pads and a Bass .
I would only exchange them for a set of sds7 In Red same amount of pads .
Sander

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To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 9:05 PM






rolandbrenner@ netzero.net skrev:
> 
> 
> GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be willing to take it to his 
> local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out. I think he could 
> do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
> 
> I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but will be factory-new 
> soon....
> 
> http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& ssPageName= STRK:MEWNX: IT&item=25033643 0502 

Cool! I'd love a gang of original V's one day. I "only" have the bass. 
But I want them with black "skins". Not white nor rubber pleeeeez... :)

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-09 by sander villers

Jesper ,
 
I own a black gang of sdsv original pads Ist generation , 5 Pads and a Bass .
I would only exchange them for a set of sds7 In Red same amount of pads .
Sander

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Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 9:05 PM






rolandbrenner@ netzero.net skrev:
> 
> 
> GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be willing to take it to his 
> local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out. I think he could 
> do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
> 
> I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but will be factory-new 
> soon....
> 
> http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& ssPageName= STRK:MEWNX: IT&item=25033643 0502 

Cool! I'd love a gang of original V's one day. I "only" have the bass. 
But I want them with black "skins". Not white nor rubber pleeeeez... :)

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by jesper

sander villers skrev:
> 
> 
> Jesper ,
>  
> I own a black gang of sdsv original pads Ist generation , 5 Pads and a 
> Bass .
> I would only exchange them for a set of sds7 In Red same amount of pads .
> Sander

I can imagine that... and I'm in no rush. These days I only got one 
hexagonal drum, and that's the V bass.

The rest of my kit is pure 70's with 4 x Pollard, 6 x MusicAid and 2 x 
Pearl. I changed the last two skins on the MusicAid pads today and also 
the speakers underneath. No wonder my SDS-IV had uneven response on the 
two pads. One had a much larger but less sensitive speaker inside. What 
moron changed that???

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

If that's truly what you are offering Sanders, the recipient of that deal will seriously benefit. The SDS7 series pads were the most poorly manufactured product Simmons probably ever produced.That's not just my opinion, it's the clear reality. Probably the worst part is their crappy 7/8" mounts.
While my personal recommendation would be to look for some SDS9 series pads, I do realize there are other reasons to want these ( collecting?!?!? ) so to each his own. Great trade deal to anyone having red SDS7's though....
 
 
I own a black gang of sdsv� original pads Ist generation� , 5 Pads and a Bass .
I would only exchange them for a set of sds7 In Red same amount of pads .
Sander

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To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 9:05 PM

rolandbrenner@ netzero.net skrev:
> 
> 
> GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be willing to take it to his 
> local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out. I think he could 
> do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
> 
> I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but will be factory-new 
> soon....
> 
> http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& ssPageName= STRK:MEWNX: IT&item=25033643 0502 

Cool! I'd love a gang of original V's one day. I "only" have the bass. 
But I want them with black "skins". Not white nor rubber pleeeeez... :)

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by sander villers

The Reason i chose sds7 is pure nostalgia and name , 
I am aware that sds7 pads aren't among the greatest but to me aslong 
as they are in very good shape both rubber and exterior , i wouldnt mind .
The bloody sdsv's are killing my wrists and technique.
Thank you for your info nevertheless ,
Sander



--- On Wed, 10/12/08, rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@netzero.net> wrote:
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> From: rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@...>
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu  ff"
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 1:12 AM
> If that's truly what you are offering Sanders, the
> recipient of that deal will seriously benefit. The SDS7
> series pads were the most poorly manufactured product
> Simmons probably ever produced.That's not just my
> opinion, it's the clear reality. Probably the worst part
> is their crappy 7/8" mounts.
> While my personal recommendation would be to look for some
> SDS9 series pads, I do realize there are other reasons to
> want these ( collecting?!?!? ) so to each his own. Great
> trade deal to anyone having red SDS7's though....
>  
>  
> I own a black gang of sdsv original pads Ist generationÂ
> , 5 Pads and a Bass .
> I would only exchange them for a set of sds7 In Red same
> amount of pads .
> Sander
> 
> --- On Tue, 9/12/08, jesper
> <jesper@...> wrote:
> 
> From: jesper <jesper@...>
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage
> Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 9:05 PM
> 
> rolandbrenner@ netzero.net skrev:
> > 
> > 
> > GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be
> willing to take it to his 
> > local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out.
> I think he could 
> > do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
> > 
> > I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but
> will be factory-new 
> > soon....
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem&
> ssPageName= STRK:MEWNX: IT&item=25033643 0502 
> 
> Cool! I'd love a gang of original V's one day. I
> "only" have the bass. 
> But I want them with black "skins". Not white nor
> rubber pleeeeez... :)
> 
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> 
> - Roland
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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

Your welcome and good luck !!


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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

Here's some that are pretty much what you are looking for. Plus you still get the nostalgic look of the v's:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Simmons-Electronic-Drum-Kit-Pads-RED_W0QQitemZ120346631219QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintgae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item120346631219&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
 
Regading the sore bones, you may want to try adjusting the angle in which you strike the drum. If you're wrist is at an angle when hitting them, you will experience much more fatigue. Try "flattening" out the angle of the drum for a more natural and ergonomic feel. May not look as cool from the audience, but your wrists will thank you...
 
- Roland
 
The Reason i chose sds7 is pure nostalgia and name , 
I am aware that sds7 pads aren't among the greatest but to me as long 
as they are in very good shape both rubber and exterior , i wouldn't mind .
The bloody sdsv's are killing my wrists and technique.
Thank you for your info nevertheless ,
Sander



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http://home.rr.com/zengine

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by sander villers

It has little to do with the angle of the drum ,
its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums sends back into your stick through to your wrist which cannot be absorbed aswell when
playing stroke rolls single strokes ,
I remember reading somewhere this was often the case for meny drummers ,
including bill bruford !
on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither are the loud chick sounds ,
I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ? =p
Thank you for the link Roland ! 
unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too great...
hope to bump into this kit one day = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=related =p

Sander 

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Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 3:38 AM






Here's some that are pretty much what you are looking for. Plus you still get the nostalgic look of the v's:

http://cgi.ebay. com/Vintage- Simmons-Electron ic-Drum-Kit- Pads-RED_ W0QQitemZ1203466 31219QQcmdZViewI temQQptZVintgae_ Drums_Percussion ?hash=item120346 631219&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 72%3A570% 7C66%3A2% 7C65%3A12% 7C39%3A1% 7C240%3A1318% 7C301%3A1% 7C293%3A1% 7C294%3A50

Regading the sore bones, you may want to try adjusting the angle in which you strike the drum. If you're wrist is at an angle when hitting them, you will experience much more fatigue. Try "flattening" out the angle of the drum for a more natural and ergonomic feel. May not look as cool from the audience, but your wrists will thank you...

- Roland

The Reason i chose sds7 is pure nostalgia and name , 
I am aware that sds7 pads aren't among the greatest but to me as long 
as they are in very good shape both rubber and exterior , i wouldn't mind .
The bloody sdsv's are killing my wrists and technique.
Thank you for your info nevertheless ,
Sander

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

What a great discussion !!!
 
I think if you really give this some serious thought Sander, you will realise that the angle in which you strike something has more than "little to do" with technique as far as fatigue goes. I'm not trying to argue, it's just a simple fact. The way the human bone and muscle structure absorbs and emits energy is something not to be ignored. There's actually a drum stick manufacturer ( doctor ) that rotationally balances his sticks in order to perfect the way one's hand and wrist repeatedly strikes a surface with regards to all of this. If you gig regularly like I do, try setting up your toms at 45 degrees each and observe what happens to you over time.
 
Anyway, the balance you are looking for still seems to be with the SDS9 series and not the 7's according to what you are describing here. That is unless there's something I'm not understanding. The 9's have a floating surface which the 7's do not. If wrist fatigue is one of your issues, the 9's are a much better alternative ( give ) and look 95% the same cosmetically. Much better mounts to boot. I personally don't mind the feel of the v's, but only for toms since they are non-repetetive in terms of how often you strike them. Also, the reality with the v's is their strength and power is in the sound of the toms anyway, so there you go !!!
 
There's no doubt in my mind that the v's are hard, but then again so are ice bells, chimes, rims, cymbals, cymbal bells, wood blocks, stands ( courtesy, Buddy Rich ), etc. etc. etc. As you stated, they ( v's ) probably just aren't for you.
 
Anyway, at a starting bid of only 99 cents USD for those 7's, you may want to consider contacting this seller for shipping arrangements. It might still be worth your while if you really want them.
 
Or, those who want some great SDSV pads, consider buying these 7's and trading with Saunder. Send us some pics of what you have please as I may take you up on that deal, although I'm currently busy beyond belief.
 
Peace,
 
- Roland
 

It has little to do with the angle of the drum ,
its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums sends back into your stick through to your wrist� which cannot be absorbed aswell when
playing stroke rolls single strokes ,
I remember reading somewhere this was often the case for meny drummers ,
including bill bruford !
on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither are the loud chick sounds ,
I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ? =p
Thank you for the link Roland ! 
unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too great...
hope to bump into this kit one day = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=related� =p

Sander 


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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by sander villers

Hehe  =)
I agree completely Roland , 
i Can assure you my drums are not angled in a crazy degrees ,
Those long stroke rolls with simmons are just too addictive !
As you mentioned , The sdsv pads are indeed good for toms , 
The bassdrum doesn't feel all too good and as snare i use a real one anyway .
Can't remember the name of the person but i remember the set i bought was from someone in this group , superwolle ?
There is just something about the sds7 bassdrum i find great , 
sds7 in general to me , (and don't get me wrong all you sdsv fans ! )
speaks most as an 80's  brain , Neil peart's work on powerwindows , Bill Bruford with king crimson's three of a perfect pair are my absolutely fav albums just to mention a few .
 Had the great luck of finding one in south korea ! ,
I presume the cards were well damaged so was the backboard , 
But thanks to Michael Buchner , he managed to solve a huge list of problems !
It just arrived back today , ( so michael if ur reading this vielen dank!)

But yes Roland ,
I think the easiest thing to do is an exchange with someone who takes good care of their pads , state of the rubber is very important .
I don't have any pictures of the pads yet , i will make some asap .
Take Care Roland
Sander



--- On Wed, 10/12/08, rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@...> wrote:
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> From: rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@...>
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu    ff"
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 4:49 AM
> What a great discussion !!!
>  
> I think if you really give this some serious thought
> Sander, you will realise that the angle in which you strike
> something has more than "little to do" with
> technique as far as fatigue goes. I'm not trying to
> argue, it's just a simple fact. The way the human bone
> and muscle structure absorbs and emits energy is something
> not to be ignored. There's actually a drum stick
> manufacturer ( doctor ) that rotationally balances his
> sticks in order to perfect the way one's hand and wrist
> repeatedly strikes a surface with regards to all of this. If
> you gig regularly like I do, try setting up your toms at 45
> degrees each and observe what happens to you over time.
>  
> Anyway, the balance you are looking for still seems to be
> with the SDS9 series and not the 7's according to what
> you are describing here. That is unless there's
> something I'm not understanding. The 9's have a
> floating surface which the 7's do not. If wrist fatigue
> is one of your issues, the 9's are a much better
> alternative ( give ) and look 95% the same cosmetically.
> Much better mounts to boot. I personally don't mind the
> feel of the v's, but only for toms since they are
> non-repetetive in terms of how often you strike them. Also,
> the reality with the v's is their strength and power is
> in the sound of the toms anyway, so there you go !!!
>  
> There's no doubt in my mind that the v's are hard,
> but then again so are ice bells, chimes, rims, cymbals,
> cymbal bells, wood blocks, stands ( courtesy, Buddy Rich ),
> etc. etc. etc. As you stated, they ( v's ) probably just
> aren't for you.
>  
> Anyway, at a starting bid of only 99 cents USD for those
> 7's, you may want to consider contacting this seller for
> shipping arrangements. It might still be worth your while if
> you really want them.
>  
> Or, those who want some great SDSV pads, consider buying
> these 7's and trading with Saunder. Send us some pics of
> what you have please as I may take you up on that deal,
> although I'm currently busy beyond belief.
>  
> Peace,
>  
> - Roland
>  
> 
> It has little to do with the angle of the drum ,
> its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums
> sends back into your stick through to your wrist which
> cannot be absorbed aswell when
> playing stroke rolls single strokes ,
> I remember reading somewhere this was often the case for
> meny drummers ,
> including bill bruford !
> on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither are
> the loud chick sounds ,
> I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ? =p
> Thank you for the link Roland ! 
> unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too great...
> hope to bump into this kit one day =
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=relatedÂ
> =p
> 
> Sander 
> 
> 
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> http://home.rr.com/zengine
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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by Patrice Jacquot

Hi guys,

don't forget there have been 2 SDS7 pads generation...
The last is the one you're mentioning Roland ...
Same Pads as the SDS9 ones...

  & Yes Sander, I agree with you I can't understand people wanting to  
play on SDSV pads ...
Even the MArkIII (or IV) are already a pain but the MArk I, MArk  
II .... ouch !!!!

I don't really share your point of view Roland...the SDSV pads for me  
are unplayable...I have some only for the collection.
But I guess , even if I can't deal with it, some other people might  
succeed...


Patrice.



Le 10 déc. 08 à 01:12, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :
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> If that's truly what you are offering Sanders, the recipient of that  
> deal will seriously benefit. The SDS7 series pads were the most  
> poorly manufactured product Simmons probably ever produced.That's  
> not just my opinion, it's the clear reality. Probably the worst part  
> is their crappy 7/8" mounts.
> While my personal recommendation would be to look for some SDS9  
> series pads, I do realize there are other reasons to want these  
> ( collecting?!?!? ) so to each his own. Great trade deal to anyone  
> having red SDS7's though....
>
>
> I own a black gang of sdsv original pads Ist generation , 5 Pads  
> and a Bass .
> I would only exchange them for a set of sds7 In Red same amount of  
> pads .
> Sander
>
> --- On Tue, 9/12/08, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> From: jesper <jesper@...>
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums  
> Pile of Stu ff"
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 9:05 PM
>
> rolandbrenner@ netzero.net skrev:
>>
>>
>> GOSH !! Would be worth it to see if he'd be willing to take it to his
>> local UPS or FedEx and have them pack and ship it out. I think he  
>> could
>> do this and pick up a check if you use a credit card.
>>
>> I just snapped up on these. Pretty rough, I know but will be  
>> factory-new
>> soon....
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& ssPageName=  
>> STRK:MEWNX: IT&item=25033643 0502
>
> Cool! I'd love a gang of original V's one day. I "only" have the bass.
> But I want them with black "skins". Not white nor rubber  
> pleeeeez... :)
>
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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by Patrice Jacquot

Hey Roland I think we had this discussion previously... ;- )
I don't agree with that thoughts but I respect your experience.

I think for someone who has some wrist fatigue , it's obvious that you  
have to avoid to play any Simmons pad &even any electronic drums pads  
except Mesheads ones...

What you're forgetting mentionning all the hard surfaces like IceBell  
cymbals etc ... They are vibrating & absorbing some of the  
energy ...the SDSV pads are not at all !
all the energy comes back to you....even when using some motions  
techniques ...when your wrist (tendons) have been hurt its too late ,  
as soon as you will start again the injury will remind to you .
I needed several years to practice again in that way taking the risk  
to play  for a few minutes SImmons pads.
(that's what I experimented now ...it might be different for  
someonelse.)

I used to play in that 4 or 5 hours gigs (60 dates) with Tama & Roland  
pads... I think  the problem came from that intensive practice ...
So With Simmons pads I would never have held on 10 dates.


But if you can deal with the SDSV pads no offence really ! ;- )  you  
are one of the rare human being who can ... So it's pretty positive ;- )

Given that the fact is I love all the SImmons pad look ! but I'm not  
keen to play them anymore.

It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ?
anyone else  ?

hope that helps,
Patriec.




Le 10 déc. 08 à 04:49, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :
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> What a great discussion !!!
>
> I think if you really give this some serious thought Sander, you  
> will realise that the angle in which you strike something has more  
> than "little to do" with technique as far as fatigue goes. I'm not  
> trying to argue, it's just a simple fact. The way the human bone and  
> muscle structure absorbs and emits energy is something not to be  
> ignored. There's actually a drum stick manufacturer ( doctor ) that  
> rotationally balances his sticks in order to perfect the way one's  
> hand and wrist repeatedly strikes a surface with regards to all of  
> this. If you gig regularly like I do, try setting up your toms at 45  
> degrees each and observe what happens to you over time.
>
> Anyway, the balance you are looking for still seems to be with the  
> SDS9 series and not the 7's according to what you are describing  
> here. That is unless there's something I'm not understanding. The  
> 9's have a floating surface which the 7's do not. If wrist fatigue  
> is one of your issues, the 9's are a much better alternative  
> ( give ) and look 95% the same cosmetically. Much better mounts to  
> boot. I personally don't mind the feel of the v's, but only for toms  
> since they are non-repetetive in terms of how often you strike them.  
> Also, the reality with the v's is their strength and power is in the  
> sound of the toms anyway, so there you go !!!
>
> There's no doubt in my mind that the v's are hard, but then again so  
> are ice bells, chimes, rims, cymbals, cymbal bells, wood blocks,  
> stands ( courtesy, Buddy Rich ), etc. etc. etc. As you stated, they  
> ( v's ) probably just aren't for you.
>
> Anyway, at a starting bid of only 99 cents USD for those 7's, you  
> may want to consider contacting this seller for shipping  
> arrangements. It might still be worth your while if you really want  
> them.
>
> Or, those who want some great SDSV pads, consider buying these 7's  
> and trading with Saunder. Send us some pics of what you have please  
> as I may take you up on that deal, although I'm currently busy  
> beyond belief.
>
> Peace,
>
> - Roland
>
>
> It has little to do with the angle of the drum ,
> its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums sends back  
> into your stick through to your wrist which cannot be absorbed  
> aswell when
> playing stroke rolls single strokes ,
> I remember reading somewhere this was often the case for meny  
> drummers ,
> including bill bruford !
> on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither are the loud chick  
> sounds ,
> I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ? =p
> Thank you for the link Roland !
> unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too great...
> hope to bump into this kit one day = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=related 
>  =p
>
> Sander
>
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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by jesper

Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ?
> anyone else ?

I'm not a drummer but a synthesist, but when I do add live drums from
time to time the harder the surface the more annoying it gets since I
play at home and not with a massive side-fill monitor system. That means
that the impact sound is important too. It drowns out the sound of the
monitor and I don't like cranking up the headphones. I hate cymbals for
that reason too. I already have slightly damaged hearing from too many
concerts, so I won't need more uncontrolled noise.

Therefor the bass pad is still around 'cause it's not hit in the same
fashion and it looks cool. :)
But... I can hit the older toms with real skins with all the force I
want without getting annoyed in the same fashion.

I know KW has played a lot of earlier V's with chinese eating sticks
(wasn't it?).

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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by Patrice Jacquot

I couldn't agree more
I reprogrammed my MTMs (what a pain) because of that ...Too noisy in  
the studio !
The Drumkat is so great in that context, despite the pain to program  
it too ..

The fact is that when you have a massive side-fill monitor, then  
you're quickly in trouble with your triggering, the monitor will trigg  
your module ...
You'll play harder & then discover the crosstalk between pads ...
that's probably for this other reason Simmons had to make some  
evolutions of their pads, with suspended surfaces.
& that the TMI had a crosstalk manager in its functions.


Patrice.




Le 10 déc. 08 à 19:55, jesper a écrit :

> Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> > It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ?
> > anyone else ?
>
> I'm not a drummer but a synthesist, but when I do add live drums from
> time to time the harder the surface the more annoying it gets since I
> play at home and not with a massive side-fill monitor system. That  
> means
> that the impact sound is important too. It drowns out the sound of the
> monitor and I don't like cranking up the headphones. I hate cymbals  
> for
> that reason too. I already have slightly damaged hearing from too many
> concerts, so I won't need more uncontrolled noise.
>
> Therefor the bass pad is still around 'cause it's not hit in the same
> fashion and it looks cool. :)
> But... I can hit the older toms with real skins with all the force I
> want without getting annoyed in the same fashion.
>
> I know KW has played a lot of earlier V's with chinese eating sticks
> (wasn't it?).
>
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> www.myspace.com/machinepop
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>
> "Spotify is fully legal and so should our content be too."
>
> 



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Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by Berk Aarts

Perhaps filling up the inner off the pads with some foam, might help against
X-talk (or keep those monitors down !!!! what did you say??)

Berk
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>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:25:37 +0100
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile
>of Stu ff"
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>I couldn't agree more
>I reprogrammed my MTMs (what a pain) because of that ...Too noisy in  
>the studio !
>The Drumkat is so great in that context, despite the pain to program  
>it too ..
>
>The fact is that when you have a massive side-fill monitor, then  
>you're quickly in trouble with your triggering, the monitor will trigg 

>your module ...
>You'll play harder & then discover the crosstalk between pads ...
>that's probably for this other reason Simmons had to make some  
>evolutions of their pads, with suspended surfaces.
>& that the TMI had a crosstalk manager in its functions.
>
>
>Patrice.
>
>
>
>
>Le 10 déc. 08 à 19:55, jesper a écrit :
>
>> Patrice Jacquot skrev:
>> > It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ?
>> > anyone else ?
>>
>> I'm not a drummer but a synthesist, but when I do add live drums from
>> time to time the harder the surface the more annoying it gets since I
>> play at home and not with a massive side-fill monitor system. That  
>> means
>> that the impact sound is important too. It drowns out the sound of the
>> monitor and I don't like cranking up the headphones. I hate cymbals  
>> for
>> that reason too. I already have slightly damaged hearing from too many
>> concerts, so I won't need more uncontrolled noise.
>>
>> Therefor the bass pad is still around 'cause it's not hit in the same
>> fashion and it looks cool. :)
>> But... I can hit the older toms with real skins with all the force I
>> want without getting annoyed in the same fashion.
>>
>> I know KW has played a lot of earlier V's with chinese eating sticks
>> (wasn't it?).
>>
>> -- 
>> electronically yours, jesper
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>> www.electronic-obsession.se
>> www.myspace.com/machinepop
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>>
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>>
>> 
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>
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Re: [Simmons Drums] As the ad says, "Vintage Simmons Drums Pile of Stu ff"

2008-12-10 by jesper

Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> 
> 
> I couldn't agree more
> I reprogrammed my MTMs (what a pain) because of that ...Too noisy in
> the studio !
---
> that's probably for this other reason Simmons had to make some
> evolutions of their pads, with suspended surfaces.
> & that the TMI had a crosstalk manager in its functions.

I have the kit outside the studio now (I wonder why, getting more 
instruments?). But I often go through the TMI. It's a great way to 
interface the pads. I'd love another though... or two more.

Five inputs are far too few. :D

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