Vibrating Bones
2008-12-10 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net
OK, let's just agree that we disagree. But please be sure of your descriptions of the pads as you refer to their construction. The SDSV pads do have vibration absorbing rubber shock mounts inside. Pull off the rim and shell and take a look. I know it's not much, but I have to believe it's a bit more dampening than striking a thick chunk of metal like a zil-bel or the very center of a 22" tri-tonal cymbal with the meat of the stick. I think the goal should not be an endless and worthless debate, but to provide a solution or ( at the very least ) alternative to a problem that clearly affects everyone differently. OK, we all agree the SDSV pads are hard. Unfortunately the SDSV modules require the type of output that only the poly pads produce in order to unleash their raw sonic power. So let's think outside the pad for a second: Sticks. I notice many of the hard hitting older drummers are turning to Ahead drumsticks. I haven't yet tried them personally, but the V.R.S. ( Vibration Reduction System ) seems to be a nice alternative rather than giving up on certain equipment or on playing all-together. Anyone use these? - Roland http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner http://home.rr.com/zengine don't forget there have been 2 SDS7 pads generation... The last is the one you're mentioning Roland ... Same Pads as the SDS9 ones... & Yes Sander, I agree with you I can't understand people wanting to play on SDSV pads ... Even the MArkIII (or IV) are already a pain but the MArk I, MArk II .... ouch !!!! I don't really share your point of view Roland...the SDSV pads for me are unplayable...I have some only for the collection. But I guess , even if I can't deal with it, some other people might succeed... Hey Roland I think we had this discussion previously... ;- ) I don't agree with that thoughts but I respect your experience. I think for someone who has some wrist fatigue , it's obvious that you have to avoid to play any Simmons pad &even any electronic drums pads except Mesheads ones... What you're forgetting mentionning all the hard surfaces like IceBell cymbals etc ... They are vibrating & absorbing some of the energy ...the SDSV pads are not at all ! all the energy comes back to you....even when using some motions techniques ...when your wrist (tendons) have been hurt its too late , as soon as you will start again the injury will remind to you . I needed several years to practice again in that way taking the risk to play for a few minutes SImmons pads. (that's what I experimented now ...it might be different for someonelse.) I used to play in that 4 or 5 hours gigs (60 dates) with Tama & Roland pads... I think the problem came from that intensive practice ... So With Simmons pads I would never have held on 10 dates. But if you can deal with the SDSV pads no offence really ! ;- ) you are one of the rare human being who can ... So it's pretty positive ;- ) Given that the fact is I love all the SImmons pad look ! but I'm not keen to play them anymore. It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ? anyone else ? hope that helps, Patriec. Le 10 d�c. 08 � 04:49, rolandbrenner@... a �crit : > What a great discussion !!! > > I think if you really give this some serious thought Sander, you > will realise that the angle in which you strike something has more > than "little to do" with technique as far as fatigue goes. I'm not > trying to argue, it's just a simple fact. The way the human bone and > muscle structure absorbs and emits energy is something not to be > ignored. There's actually a drum stick manufacturer ( doctor ) that > rotationally balances his sticks in order to perfect the way one's > hand and wrist repeatedly strikes a surface with regards to all of > this. If you gig regularly like I do, try setting up your toms at 45 > degrees each and observe what happens to you over time. > > Anyway, the balance you are looking for still seems to be with the > SDS9 series and not the 7's according to what you are describing > here. That is unless there's something I'm not understanding. The > 9's have a floating surface which the 7's do not. If wrist fatigue > is one of your issues, the 9's are a much better alternative > ( give ) and look 95% the same cosmetically. Much better mounts to > boot. I personally don't mind the feel of the v's, but only for toms > since they are non-repetetive in terms of how often you strike them. > Also, the reality with the v's is their strength and power is in the > sound of the toms anyway, so there you go !!! > > There's no doubt in my mind that the v's are hard, but then again so > are ice bells, chimes, rims, cymbals, cymbal bells, wood blocks, > stands ( courtesy, Buddy Rich ), etc. etc. etc. As you stated, they > ( v's ) probably just aren't for you. > > Anyway, at a starting bid of only 99 cents USD for those 7's, you > may want to consider contacting this seller for shipping > arrangements. It might still be worth your while if you really want > them. > > Or, those who want some great SDSV pads, consider buying these 7's > and trading with Saunder. Send us some pics of what you have please > as I may take you up on that deal, although I'm currently busy > beyond belief. > > Peace, > > - Roland > > > It has little to do with the angle of the drum , > its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums sends back > into your stick through to your wrist� which cannot be absorbed > aswell when > playing stroke rolls single strokes , > I remember reading somewhere this was often the case for meny > drummers , > including bill bruford ! > on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither are the loud chick > sounds , > I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ? =p > Thank you for the link Roland ! > unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too great... > hope to bump into this kit one day = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=related� > =p > > Sander > - Roland http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner http://home.rr.com/zengine ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc1k17kYBYtwUBmc9OcNZlpRCxc6NiWSqi0a8kV2FBzAY3wK2/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]