Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Are these recommended cymbals dual zone?

I am looking for the solution for ride/bell combination

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, contract731@c... wrote:
> Are these recommended cymbals dual zone?
> I am looking for the solution for ride/bell combination

The Zenbals are stereo cymbals, like the Yamaha PCY"s" versions, 
which are triggered on bow and edge. If you want a bell instead of an 
edge, take a look at the dual-zone Visu-lites, which Pintech also 
handles now. They have excellent feel and response through the 
DTXpressI, provided that you have input 9/10 free (they are not 
switch-type stereo cymbals). By the way, Brian LaRue, who yesterday 
popped his head in here after his move to Calfornia to take a 
position with Taye Drums, was the head honcho at Pintech. Now he's 
free from all constraints on his valued opinions. Exploit him 
mercilessly!

Good to have you back, Brian. Drop me a line.

Ed

The zenbals are are also available as Bow/Bell in the new ZBR dual zone pads.

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, contract731@c... wrote:
> Are these recommended cymbals dual zone?
> I am looking for the solution for ride/bell combination

The Zenbals are stereo cymbals, like the Yamaha PCY"s" versions, 
which are triggered on bow and edge. If you want a bell instead of an 
edge, take a look at the dual-zone Visu-lites, which Pintech also 
handles now. They have excellent feel and response through the 
DTXpressI, provided that you have input 9/10 free (they are not 
switch-type stereo cymbals). By the way, Brian LaRue, who yesterday 
popped his head in here after his move to Calfornia to take a 
position with Taye Drums, was the head honcho at Pintech. Now he's 
free from all constraints on his valued opinions. Exploit him 
mercilessly!

Good to have you back, Brian. Drop me a line.

Ed 



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Visu-Lite Rides are offered as trigger/switch type, I own one. :)

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, contract731@c... wrote:
> Are these recommended cymbals dual zone?
> I am looking for the solution for ride/bell combination

The Zenbals are stereo cymbals, like the Yamaha PCY"s" versions, 
which are triggered on bow and edge. If you want a bell instead of an 
edge, take a look at the dual-zone Visu-lites, which Pintech also 
handles now. They have excellent feel and response through the 
DTXpressI, provided that you have input 9/10 free (they are not 
switch-type stereo cymbals). By the way, Brian LaRue, who yesterday 
popped his head in here after his move to Calfornia to take a 
position with Taye Drums, was the head honcho at Pintech. Now he's 
free from all constraints on his valued opinions. Exploit him 
mercilessly!

Good to have you back, Brian. Drop me a line.

Ed 



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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Robinson 
<a1c_drummergeek@y...> wrote:
> Visu-Lite Rides are offered as trigger/switch type, I own one. :)

Technically, if not necessarily exclusively, these are crash cymbals, 
with the switch used for choking, no?

no, the bell can be used for choking (and if the felts are tightened down to much will do it automatically), however, it is a working trigger installed on the bell, if you go to www.nscomp.com/drumpics and look at the VC pics you can see my VL cymbals and will see how the bell is set up. :)

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Robinson 
<a1c_drummergeek@y...> wrote:
> Visu-Lite Rides are offered as trigger/switch type, I own one. :)

Technically, if not necessarily exclusively, these are crash cymbals, 
with the switch used for choking, no? 




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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Robinson 
<a1c_drummergeek@y...> wrote:
> no, the bell can be used for choking (and if the felts are 
tightened down to much will do it automatically), however, it is a 
working trigger installed on the bell, if you go to 
www.nscomp.com/drumpics and look at the VC pics you can see my VL 
cymbals and will see how the bell is set up. :)

Very nice. You'll have to explain it to me. I can't trace the wiring 
to the TD-8 very well. My Visu-lite ride has a double lead from the 
cymbal, allowing separate feeds to independent inputs for bow and 
bell w/o choking. Are you saying that your bell will choke the cymbal 
by accident, or by design, via a single stereo cable to the Roland 
module? In other words, did Tom Picard sell the ride to you with the 
understanding that it would work that way, or did you stumble on it? 
Maybe this is a feature of the TD-8 and 10 modules that Yamahas don't 
duplicate, or I'm reading you wrong.

The Visu-Lite ride I own was purchased after Pintech bought out Visu-Lite.  The cymbal you have sounds like it was built before this using a piezo/piezo setup(one for the bell, one for the bow).  I don't think that will work with choke on a roland or yamaha module simply because the trigger setup on those modules is piezo/membrane, meaning the bow is a piezo trigger, and the bell(or edge) is a membrane switch (on/off).  My ride was made with a membrane bell instead of a piezo bell, that is how the new ones are made by default, those will work with a Roland or Yamaha module and will have the choke ability on the bell.


emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Robinson 
<a1c_drummergeek@y...> wrote:
> no, the bell can be used for choking (and if the felts are 
tightened down to much will do it automatically), however, it is a 
working trigger installed on the bell, if you go to 
www.nscomp.com/drumpics and look at the VC pics you can see my VL 
cymbals and will see how the bell is set up. :)

Very nice. You'll have to explain it to me. I can't trace the wiring 
to the TD-8 very well. My Visu-lite ride has a double lead from the 
cymbal, allowing separate feeds to independent inputs for bow and 
bell w/o choking. Are you saying that your bell will choke the cymbal 
by accident, or by design, via a single stereo cable to the Roland 
module? In other words, did Tom Picard sell the ride to you with the 
understanding that it would work that way, or did you stumble on it? 
Maybe this is a feature of the TD-8 and 10 modules that Yamahas don't 
duplicate, or I'm reading you wrong.



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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Robinson 
<a1c_drummergeek@y...> wrote:
> The Visu-Lite ride I own was purchased after Pintech bought out 
Visu-Lite.  The cymbal you have sounds like it was built before this 
using a piezo/piezo setup(one for the bell, one for the bow).  I 
don't think that will work with choke on a roland or yamaha module 
simply because the trigger setup on those modules is piezo/membrane, 
meaning the bow is a piezo trigger, and the bell(or edge) is a 
membrane switch (on/off).  My ride was made with a membrane bell 
instead of a piezo bell, that is how the new ones are made by 
default, those will work with a Roland or Yamaha module and will have 
the choke ability on the bell.

Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. I didn't know that Pintech had 
begun to tamper with the Visu-lite design. Just for curiosity's sake, 
did you buy the cymbals within the last month or so? Before Brian 
left Pintech a few months ago, he gave me a pretty complete picture 
of what kinds of changes were in store for the cymbals, but, at the 
time, only the Zenbals and TCs seemed to be implicated. At any rate, 
thanks for the valuable info. I haven't seen it listed on the old 
Visu-lite site.

Brian is the one who sent me my cymbals, it was about 1 to 2 months ago, I work for Pintech so if you have any other questions about the cymbals just ask.

emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Robinson 
<a1c_drummergeek@y...> wrote:
> The Visu-Lite ride I own was purchased after Pintech bought out 
Visu-Lite.  The cymbal you have sounds like it was built before this 
using a piezo/piezo setup(one for the bell, one for the bow).  I 
don't think that will work with choke on a roland or yamaha module 
simply because the trigger setup on those modules is piezo/membrane, 
meaning the bow is a piezo trigger, and the bell(or edge) is a 
membrane switch (on/off).  My ride was made with a membrane bell 
instead of a piezo bell, that is how the new ones are made by 
default, those will work with a Roland or Yamaha module and will have 
the choke ability on the bell.

Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. I didn't know that Pintech had 
begun to tamper with the Visu-lite design. Just for curiosity's sake, 
did you buy the cymbals within the last month or so? Before Brian 
left Pintech a few months ago, he gave me a pretty complete picture 
of what kinds of changes were in store for the cymbals, but, at the 
time, only the Zenbals and TCs seemed to be implicated. At any rate, 
thanks for the valuable info. I haven't seen it listed on the old 
Visu-lite site.



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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Robinson 
<a1c_drummergeek@y...> wrote:
> Brian is the one who sent me my cymbals, it was about 1 to 2 months 
ago, I work for Pintech so if you have any other questions about the 
cymbals just ask.

Will do. Thanks. Good to have you with us. Please post info from the 
company as the mood hits you. When did you start at Pintech? Feel 
like doing a bit of biography?