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Snare dilema - DTX2S

Snare dilema - DTX2S

2004-08-14 by temp1111

I am using my DTX2S brain to manage acoustic triggers on my kit, in addition to the electronic pads which that come with the DTX2S, which I have integrated into my kit.
I assigned a voice to my acoustic snare trigger that is fine for most of the songs I play, and I assigned a different voice to the electronic snare pad that is suitable for the rest of the songs.
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The problem I have is I need to manage the volume of voices independantly, but instead both volumes are controled by the Snare Volume Slider. My ideal scenario is to control the TP120SD under either the Toms or Misc Volume Slider, while controlling my acoustic snare trigger with the Snare Volume Slider.
My first thought, which I thought made sense was to change the Pad Type assigned to the input channel from TP-1/Snr to TP-1/Tom, hoping that would change which volume slider controlled it, but it did not work.
My next idea was to review the Slider Controls section of the manual to see if there was a way to assign a slider to a particular input channel, that didn't work either.
My next idea was to see if there were any obvious settings under the Trigger Menu or Voice Menu that I could assign a volume slider, that didn't pan out either.
My next idea was to review the Utility Option/Features to see if there was a way to change the slider assignment, that didn't work either.
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Running out of options, I pulled up the voice menu and kept changing the note number while striking the pad and moving sliders, which indicated that the sliders are related directly to either the note or the specific voice. Since notes can have any voice assigned to it, my current theory, is the volume slider is defined within each voice setting somewhere.
Now, the $64,000 question ....how can I edit a single, particular voice to tell it which slider I want to control it :-)
Thanks in advance!
Vic

Re: Snare dilema - DTX2S

2004-08-14 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "temp1111" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> I am using my DTX2S brain to manage acoustic triggers on my kit, in 
addition to the electronic pads which that come with the DTX2S, which 
I have integrated into my kit.
> 
> I assigned a voice to my acoustic snare trigger that is fine for 
most of the songs I play, and I assigned a different voice to the 
electronic snare pad that is suitable for the rest of the songs.
> 
> The problem I have is I need to manage the volume of voices 
independantly, but instead both volumes are controled by the Snare 
Volume Slider.  My ideal scenario is to control the TP120SD under 
either the Toms or Misc Volume Slider, while controlling my acoustic 
snare trigger with the Snare Volume Slider.
> 
> Now, the $64,000 question ....how can I edit a single, particular 
voice to tell it which slider I want to control it :-)

Vic,

I think that the sliders are associated with particular 
inputs/outputs, not voices. The DTXT's manual volume adjustments are 
simply a more refined, discrete version of the rotary knobs on the 
DTXpress, which do the same thing with less finesse. If I'm right, 
what you'd have to do is connect your second snare into a tom or 
cymbal input and adjust its volume with the appropriate slider. But 
can't you adjust the volume of the rubber pad with its attached 
control and keep the acoustic snare at a permanent slider setting?

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Snare dilema - DTX2S

2004-08-14 by temp1111

Ed,
Hello, in my long list of trial and error, at some point I thought the volumes were associated with the input channels, but that failed, since I do actually have them in opposing inputs. (I have the triggered acoustic snare in input channel 1 which is the default snare channel, and the TP120SD into input channel 6 which is the default ride channel, however even plugged into 6, it is controlled by the snare volume slider.
You did give me an idea however... in assigning the pad mounted control knob as a volume control (i'm pretty sure this is an option) This way, even if they are both Macro-managed by the snare slider, I can micro manage from the knob.
With all the 'assignable' options and what not, it seems there should be a simple way to assign which volume slider a voice or input channel is associated with. Again, with continued experimentation this morning, it continues to appear that each "voice" is specifically assigned to a slider, regardless of the input channel, note assignment, or any other variable.
If anyone finds this magic setting, let me know, otherwise tonite I will try working from the pad control knob and see if that will be a consistant and reliable solution for me.
Thanks!
Vic
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From: emf
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Snare dilema - DTX2S

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "temp1111" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> I am using my DTX2S brain to manage acoustic triggers on my kit, in
addition to the electronic pads which that come with the DTX2S, which
I have integrated into my kit.
>
> I assigned a voice to my acoustic snare trigger that is fine for
most of the songs I play, and I assigned a different voice to the
electronic snare pad that is suitable for the rest of the songs.
>
> The problem I have is I need to manage the volume of voices
independantly, but instead both volumes are controled by the Snare
Volume Slider. My ideal scenario is to control the TP120SD under
either the Toms or Misc Volume Slider, while controlling my acoustic
snare trigger with the Snare Volume Slider.
>
> Now, the $64,000 question ....how can I edit a single, particular
voice to tell it which slider I want to control it :-)

Vic,

I think that the sliders are associated with particular
inputs/outputs, not voices. The DTXT's manual volume adjustments are
simply a more refined, discrete version of the rotary knobs on the
DTXpress, which do the same thing with less finesse. If I'm right,
what you'd have to do is connect your second snare into a tom or
cymbal input and adjust its volume with the appropriate slider. But
can't you adjust the volume of the rubber pad with its attached
control and keep the acoustic snare at a permanent slider setting?

Ed



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Re: Snare dilema - DTX2S

2004-08-14 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "temp1111" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> Hello, in my long list of trial and error, at some point I thought 
the volumes were associated with the input channels, but that failed, 
> With all the 'assignable' options and what not, it seems there 
should be a simple way to assign which volume slider a voice or input 
channel is associated with.  Again, with continued experimentation 
this morning, it continues to appear that each "voice" is 
specifically assigned to a slider, regardless of the input channel, 
note assignment, or any other variable.

Hmmm. That's interesting. I like the voice keying better than input 
keying. Can you actually connect your tom, cymbal, and snare voices 
into any input and still adjust them with the appropriate slider, 
subject to further control with the knob on each pad?  That's groovy. 
I wonder what happens with external samples. Does the user have to  
encode them with the proper identifier when downloading? Back to your 
problem, if no one is aware of the magic setting for assigning a 
voice to an alternate slider, maybe we should ask So Tanaka in Japan, 
or Yamahammer when he emerges from the pile on his desk after 
vacation. The pad knob would be compensation for hard wiring, but it 
would be nice to know.

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Snare dilema - DTX2S

2004-08-15 by temp1111


>Hmmm. That's interesting. I like the voice keying better than input
>keying.
I would like it fine if I can get to somewhere I can edit it when needed :-) Basically, anything that is identified as a snare is married to the snare slider and so on... this is fine in most applications but has proven quite annoying for my situation.
Also, I have come up with a 2 part work around for my dilema. I am routing my acoustic snare trigger voice via InsertFX to IND-1 and on to the main board. I am routing my TD120SD snare to its defaul stereo channel and on to the main board, thus sound guy can balance volumes as needed from there.
This did reveal yet another short coming (IMHO) IND 1 thru 6 do not have an option to use the overall dru kit FX, but rather must use the Insertion FX, which is fine except for three things....
a) there are only 2 insertion FX channels which can get used up fairly quickly when attempting to duplicate FX used on multiple preset voices which all use the stereo setting. Maybe 3 or 4 INsFX channel would be better.
b) there should be an option to use the default kit FX (which you cant use on an IND channel, or better yet somehow use the "intended" preset FX for that voice.
c) or at least be able to use both of the InsFX channels in combination, since many of the preset voices use a combination of REV and CHO settings at the kit level, but obviosly one can only choose one type of FX via the InsFX. It would be helpful in duplicating a preset FX if I could set InsFX-1 to match the presets REV setting, and InsFX-2 to match the CHO setting.
So far I have been able to "cheat" my way around these issues but not without much aggravation and sacrifice of the intended sound.
> Can you actually connect your tom, cymbal, and snare voices
>into any input and still adjust them with the appropriate slider,
Yes, I have done that on several channels so far successfully, simply because of how I am arranging my kit.

> subject to further control with the knob on each pad? That's groovy.
Not so groovy... the control knob on the pad (I cant think of the setting name offhand and I'm not near the kit) but anyway.... the setting only works on inputs 1 thru 5. The manual says it should work on inputs 1 thru 6 but it doesnt. So any pad that you need to control with the pad knob, should be plugged to inputs 1 thru 6.

I wonder what happens with external samples. Does the user have to
encode them with the proper identifier when downloading?
Not sure, haven;t had an opp to play with that yet.
Back to your
problem, if no one is aware of the magic setting for assigning a
voice to an alternate slider, maybe we should ask So Tanaka in Japan,
or Yamahammer when he emerges from the pile on his desk after
vacation.
I posted the original post on dtxtremes.com forum as well, but didn't hear anything yet.
Thanks for your assistance and insight.
Vic


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