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When I go to the preset 238 (the string sound) and I turn it to just 
OSC 1, turn sync off, and listen to the sound I hear beating or some 
kind of LFO.  So I go to the LFO settings and turn everything to 0. 
Still there!  Does anyone known what is going on?  I read in the 
manual, which isn't very helpful with the things I need to know, and 
it said something about osc 1 having two oscillators..what's that 
about?

-Also, are the two visible oscillators on the board naturally 
programed to be an octave apart?  Because when I have sync turned 
off and freqs at 0 and the two waveforms set to the same one, like 
saw, they seem to be an octave apart.  How do I get them to be at 
the same octave?

Thanks

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> wrote:
> 
> When I go to the preset 238 (the string sound) and I turn it to just 
> OSC 1, turn sync off, and listen to the sound I hear beating or some 
> kind of LFO.  So I go to the LFO settings and turn everything to 0. 
> Still there!  Does anyone known what is going on?

Difficult to tell from your desrciption. Suggest you try the following:

Hvae you reduced the settings for Pitch Depth and FM Depth to '0' under SYNC/FM?

What about the settings for PWM Depth under VO1 and VCO2 and AMOD Depth and FMOD 
Detph under VCA and VCF/Mix, respectively?

When you turn the LFO to value to '0' you are not disabling of the LFO, you are reducing 
the frequency at which the LFO modulates the destination parameter(s). Reduce the Depth 
settings to elimiate the modulation.

I don't know if 'preset 238' is availabe in our Files section or not - would you happen to 
have the name for this Voice so it might be cross referenced by AN1x or PLG users too?

>  I read in the 
> manual, which isn't very helpful with the things I need to know, and 
> it said something about osc 1 having two oscillators..what's that 
> about?

Correct. Setting the Alogrithm to Sync+FMbth, Sync+FMmst or Sync+FMslv determine how 
the two VCO1 oscillators (master and slave) are connected in relation to the FM signal. Use 
the FM Depth, FM Source1 and FM Source2 parameters. Example:

Set Algo = SyncFMbth, FM Depth = +12, FM Source1 = LFO1. Adjust the LFO1 speed. Now 
set Algo to each of the other two options and repeat the test. Hear the difference?

Now try setting the LFO1 Wave =s/h, reduce the LFO1 speed and increase FM Depth = 
+32. How's that for sample and hold?!?! Make sense now?

> 
> -Also, are the two visible oscillators on the board naturally 
> programed to be an octave apart? Because when I have sync turned 
> off and freqs at 0 and the two waveforms set to the same one, like 
> saw, they seem to be an octave apart.  How do I get them to be at 
> the same octave?

Are you using AN1xEdit or AN Expert Editor? If not, you should be. If I recall correctly, my 
friend complained the Pitch paremeters for VCO1 & 2 could NOT be set from the front 
panel controls of his AN200. IMO, it sounds as though your describing the same limiation. 
You'll need to use one of the editor/librarians to gain access to the Pitch value :-/

regards,

Jon

Thanks Jon that was a BIG help!

I have always felt there was things that were happening in the 
presets of my synth that I didn't have control over.  Then I looked 
in the manual at the AN200 editor section and saw all the things I 
was looking for: VCO1/2 pitch and fine tune, PWM controls, key 
tracking, etc.  But unfortunately the reason I never opened up this 
program on my computer is because I get an error each time I try to 
open it.  On the disk I received when I bought my AN200, I open up 
the XGworks folder and install the program.  Then I restart my 
computer and install the AN200 editor program/plugin.  But when I go 
to start the program I get a "Error: XGworks.exe - Entry Point not 
found (the procedure entry point FT_Exit4 could not be located in 
the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll) My operating system is 
Windows XP home edition.  Is there an update or any advice people 
could give me in order to run this program on my computer? Also, 
what does PEG, FEG, AMOD, and FMOD stand for?

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jon that was a BIG help!
> 
> I have always felt there was things that were happening in the 
> presets of my synth that I didn't have control over.  Then I looked 
> in the manual at the AN200 editor section and saw all the things I 
> was looking for: VCO1/2 pitch and fine tune, PWM controls, key 
> tracking, etc.  But unfortunately the reason I never opened up this 
> program on my computer is because I get an error each time I try to 
> open it.  On the disk I received when I bought my AN200, I open up 
> the XGworks folder and install the program.  Then I restart my 
> computer and install the AN200 editor program/plugin.  But when I 
go 
> to start the program I get a "Error: XGworks.exe - Entry Point not 
> found (the procedure entry point FT_Exit4 could not be located in 
> the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll) My operating system is 
> Windows XP home edition.  Is there an update or any advice people 
> could give me in order to run this program on my computer?

There is a patch available from Yamaha to correct the error you 
describe.  Go to XG Factory at

http://www.xgfactory.com/

then navigate to the Downloads page, and then to the Yamaha link.  
Chose the update approprate to your system.  I don't run XGWorks, but 
if you have difficuties with the patch post back to this list or try 
the DX200 list also here at Yahoo! Groups as they have much 
experience with this patch.


 Also, 
> what does PEG, FEG, AMOD, and FMOD stand for?

I assume you've read Jimmy's reply by now.  I would suggest you check 
out the Links section as there are links to many synth programming 
tutorials including some specific to the AN200:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/links

Jon
Jo

I downloaded the update for 3.0 but the update said I didn't have 
the versions required for the update (versions 3.02-3.05) and 
therefore coudn't find my software.  I have version 3.0.  Is there 
another program I can use to open the AN200 editor? Is there anyway 
someone can email a different version of  the software so I can 
finally access the editor to obtain all of the hidden features?  
Someone please help me!

Thanks.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> wrote:
> 
> I downloaded the update for 3.0 but the update said I didn't have 
> the versions required for the update (versions 3.02-3.05) and 
> therefore coudn't find my software.  I have version 3.0.

You should read this:

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/KnowledgeBase/KnowledgeBaseDetail/
0,6401,CNTID%253D26227%2526CTID%253D401640,00.html?
TextKeyword=&selectAreas=401640


>  Is there 
> another program I can use to open the AN200 editor?

Try the stand alone editor:

http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/plg150/s_utils.htm

 Is there anyway 
> someone can email a different version of  the software so I can 
> finally access the editor to obtain all of the hidden features?  

You need to have purchased and registered XGWorks 3.0:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMXGWORKS3

if you're already running a registered copy, then you need to address the issue to Yamaha 
Customer Assistance. If you've previously run XGWorks 2, I believe you need to uninstall 
before installing 3.0

> Someone please help me!

Or, as previously mentioned, you can try the freeware AN1xEdit:

http://www.xgfactory.com/downloads/plg150an/an1xedit.zip

Jon

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/KnowledgeBase/KnowledgeBaseDetail
/
> 0,6401,CNTID%253D26227%2526CTID%253D401640,00.html?
> TextKeyword=&selectAreas=401640
> 
> 
> >  Is there 
> > another program I can use to open the AN200 editor?
> 
> Try the stand alone editor:
> 
> http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/plg150/s_utils.htm
> 
>  Is there anyway 
> > someone can email a different version of  the software so I can 
> > finally access the editor to obtain all of the hidden features?  
> 
> You need to have purchased and registered XGWorks 3.0:
> 
> http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMXGWORKS3
> 
> if you're already running a registered copy, then you need to 
address the issue to Yamaha 
> Customer Assistance. If you've previously run XGWorks 2, I believe 
you need to uninstall 

> before installing 3.0
> 
> > Someone please help me!
> 
> Or, as previously mentioned, you can try the freeware AN1xEdit:
> 
> http://www.xgfactory.com/downloads/plg150an/an1xedit.zip
> 
> Jon

*This site didn't work.
 
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/KnowledgeBase/KnowledgeBaseDetail
/
> 0,6401,CNTID%253D26227%2526CTID%253D401640,00.html?
> TextKeyword=&selectAreas=401640
> 
> 
> >  Is there 
> > another program I can use to open the AN200 editor?
> 
> Try the stand alone editor:
> 
> http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/plg150/s_utils.htm

*Didn't connect either.  I went to the site and looked under the 
downloads for the AN 200 and it was only an update for the AN 200 
editor for a Mac OS operating system.  I have Win XP.
> 
>  Is there anyway 
> > someone can email a different version of  the software so I can 
> > finally access the editor to obtain all of the hidden features?  
> 
> You need to have purchased and registered XGWorks 3.0:
> 
*Wait, I'm really confused.  I got the XGWorks on my disk I got for 
my AN 200 synth.  I can't run it so I therefore can't register it.  
Did I have to purchase something else?

*Is there anyway else for me to get the stand alone AN 200 editor? 
Could anybody send me that?

> http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMXGWORKS3
> 
> if you're already running a registered copy, then you need to 
address the issue to Yamaha 
> Customer Assistance. If you've previously run XGWorks 2, I believe 
you need to uninstall 
> before installing 3.0
> 
> > Someone please help me!
> 
> Or, as previously mentioned, you can try the freeware AN1xEdit:
> 
> http://www.xgfactory.com/downloads/plg150an/an1xedit.zip

*Does this work for my AN 200?
> 
> Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> wrote:
> *This site didn't work.
>  
> http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/KnowledgeBase/KnowledgeBaseDetail
> /
> > 0,6401,CNTID%253D26227%2526CTID%253D401640,00.html?
> > TextKeyword=&selectAreas=401640

Cut and paste the entire link into the command line of your browser and it will work:

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/KnowledgeBase/KnowledgeBaseDetail/
0,6401,CNTID%253D26227%2526CTID%253D401640,00.html?
TextKeyword=&selectAreas=401640

but more imprtantly, read on...

> > >  Is there 
> > > another program I can use to open the AN200 editor?
> > 
> > Try the stand alone editor:
> > 
> > http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/plg150/s_utils.htm
> 
> *Didn't connect either.  I went to the site and looked under the 
> downloads for the AN 200 and it was only an update for the AN 200 
> editor for a Mac OS operating system.  I have Win XP.
> > 

Looks like XGFactory is in need of an update -the old links no longer work. Try this link 
instead for the stand alone editors:

http://www.yamahasynth.com/download/plg_series.html


> >  Is there anyway 
> > > someone can email a different version of  the software so I can 
> > > finally access the editor to obtain all of the hidden features?  
> > 
> > You need to have purchased and registered XGWorks 3.0:
> > 
> *Wait, I'm really confused.  I got the XGWorks on my disk I got for 
> my AN 200 synth.  I can't run it so I therefore can't register it.  
> Did I have to purchase something else?
> > > Someone please help me!

Okay, here's how it works: the version of XGWorks bundled with the AN200 is actually 
XGWorks Lite, not the full XGWorks v3.0. You need to download the updater for XGWorks 
Lite, not the full v3.0:

http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/midplug/m_mid10.htm

Scroll 3/4 of the way down the page and you'll find it under the section header 'Updaters'.


> > Or, as previously mentioned, you can try the freeware AN1xEdit:
> > 
> > http://www.xgfactory.com/downloads/plg150an/an1xedit.zip
> 
> *Does this work for my AN 200?

Yes, AN1xEdit will work with the AN1x, PLG150-AN and AN200.

Jon

Jon wrote:

> Cut and paste the entire link into the command line of your browser and it will work:
> 
> http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/KnowledgeBase/KnowledgeBaseDetail/
> 0,6401,CNTID%253D26227%2526CTID%253D401640,00.html?
> TextKeyword=&selectAreas=401640

Or use http://www.tinyurl.com/ if you know that your mailer mangles long 
URLs:

http://tinyurl.com/4btzs

- Peter

Yes! I got the stand alone editor to work.  Thanks Jon!

Is there a way to listen to my patches as I'm making them in the AN 
Editor?  It says I shouldn't touch my synth while I'm doing it, but 
how do I listen to the sound changes? Do I have to update it each 
time I change one knob?

Thanks.

Please. Disregard that last message.  I figured that part out. But 
now I can't bulk dump.  I have both midi in and outs going to the 
computer and the device.  What should I do?

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> wrote:
> 
> Please. Disregard that last message.  I figured that part out. But 
> now I can't bulk dump.  I have both midi in and outs going to the 
> computer and the device.  What should I do?

This question is impossible to answer without more detail. What exactly are you tring to 
do, what step's are you taking, and what are the results?

And have you ready the manual yet?

Yes, I've read through the manual and spent hours trying to figure 
this out.  So first, I went to the Midi Setup box and made sure the 
Midi In/Thru/Out were all connected to my external midi device.  
Then under the AN Expert Editor setup I made sure that under the 
midi folder both ports were turned on and all of the rest of the 
boxes (Midi chanel,part no., device no., board no.) I left at 1.  
Under insert and transmit, I have it clicked on user presets 1-128, 
bulk dump interval at 600msec. Then I go to recieve AN1x bulk dump 
(so all of my patterns can come up on the program and nothing 
happens.  How long is it suppost to take. I usually wait 10 min and 
see no progress.  I have both Midi In's and out's cords going into 
the system.  When I call up a pattern in the AN Editor, it does work 
with my synth and I hear the changes made. I just need help doing 
the bulk dumps.  Thanks.

You are (fortunately) mistaken, good sir.
AN1x Edit changes the synth when you make changes in the program.  So you would
say that it's a real-time update.  You will be able to hear the changes as you
move knobs, sliders or whatever in the software just as if you did it on the
synth itself.
I believe what the instructions are saying is that you should not be editing
patches on the synth while using the program.  You can certainly play the
keyboard while AN1x is running.

Ed Edwards
http://www.headholemines.blogspot.com
"I think, therefore, umm..."  Alacarte

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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I've read through the manual and spent hours trying to figure 
> this out.  So first, I went to the Midi Setup box and made sure the 
> Midi In/Thru/Out were all connected to my external midi device.  

Under System Setup, yes - that shoud be right. 


> Then under the AN Expert Editor setup I made sure that under the 
> midi folder both ports were turned on and all of the rest of the 
> boxes (Midi chanel,part no., device no., board no.) I left at 1.  

Okay.


> Under insert and transmit, I have it clicked on user presets 1-128, 
> bulk dump interval at 600msec. Then I go to recieve AN1x bulk dump 
> (so all of my patterns can come up on the program and nothing 
> happens.  


600mesec is too fast for Bulk dump interval. Try it set for 1.0sec or greater. The SysEx file 
size of AN series bulk dumps are considerably larger than most.

You don't mention what type of MIDI Interface you are using, but be advised cheap sound 
cards with MIDI I/O are indadequate - get a real, multi-port MIDI Interface if you haven't 
already. 

> How long is it suppost to take. I usually wait 10 min and 
> see no progress.  I have both Midi In's and out's cords going into 
> the system.  When I call up a pattern in the AN Editor, it does work 
> with my synth and I hear the changes made. I just need help doing 
> the bulk dumps.  Thanks.

A single voice should only take a few seconds, a full bulk dump will take a couple of 
minutes. SInce you're able to affect changes from AN Expert Editor to the AN200 it sounds 
as though the cable connections are correct. Have you successfully performed a bulk 
transmission, either a single voice or many, to the AN200?

Jon

I still have not sucessfully performed a bulk dump and I changed the 
settings to 1 sec.  I have a Tascam US-122 midi/sound card device.  
Also, another weird thing that is happening is that when I use the 
AN1x Editor and call up a persons patch list, I click on a patch and 
nothing happens (My AN 200 will just think or be frozen) but then 
the patch worked when I closed the program!  So I opened up the 
program and turned it off hundreds of times last night just to check 
out peoples patches!! Has anyone ever heard of my problem?  

Thanks

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> 
wrote:
> I still have not sucessfully performed a bulk dump and I changed 
the 
> settings to 1 sec.  I have a Tascam US-122 midi/sound card 
device...  
>  
> I use AN Expert editor w/XG works lite (not the stand-alone 
editor); Win98. I'm also using a serial cable to connect to "to host" 
jack on S80. (AN200 probably doesn't have a serial port;use midi). AN 
Expert sysex settings I use are: Reception buffer size-8192.  
Transmission buffer size- 4096.  Transmission Interval- 2000ms.  
Click on "transmit AN bulk dump" icon, and it transmits whole bank 
without a problem. On my other synths connected via midi, I use a usb 
midisport 2x2.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I still have not sucessfully performed a bulk dump and I changed 
the 
> settings to 1 sec.  I have a Tascam US-122 midi/sound card device. 

If I were you, I would take this to the Tascam Forums and post 
inquiring on issues performing SysEx dumps with the US-122. 

http://www.tascamforums.com/

also, make certain to check out

http://www.tascam.com/Products/US-122.html

to see that you have the most current drivers.  There was a post on 
the US-122 regarding XP SP2 which advised a clean install of the 
Tascam driver following the install of SP2.  Uncertain whether this 
applicable to your situation.  Also, you might check out the DX200 
list here at Yahoo! Groups where there are a handful of AN200 users 
too - perhaps somebody there has a US-122.

 
> Also, another weird thing that is happening is that when I use the 
> AN1x Editor and call up a persons patch list, I click on a patch 
and 
> nothing happens (My AN 200 will just think or be frozen) but then 
> the patch worked when I closed the program!  So I opened up the 
> program and turned it off hundreds of times last night just to 
check 
> out peoples patches!! Has anyone ever heard of my problem?  
>


Are you using AN1xEdit in PLG mode?  Don't recall which menu option 
this is under off the top of my head, but I suggest you make certain 
you are running AN1xEdit in PLG mode.  The problem you describe is 
unusual and I've not heard it desribed before on the list.  Do you 
have a similar issue with AN Expert Editor or just the bulk dump 
issue as described in your previous email.  Have you tried the editor 
plug-in with XGWorks Lite as uralmoto suggests in his response?  Do 
you experience any of these problems using XGWorks Lite?


Jon

You were right Jon about putting it in PLG mode in the AN1xEdit 
program. Now it works fine.  Which is a very good sign.  I followed 
your advice and also downloaded the latest driver for my US 122.  
But I am still having trouble doing a bulk dump in the AN Expert 
Editor. I go to setup -> Recieve AN1x Bulk Dump.  Is this the right 
operation since I have a AN 200?  There are two other options that 
are not in bold which are: Insert AN Bulk Dump Data.. and Extract 
Bulk Dump Data.. . Is that what I want or should I follow up on my 
problem with the "recieve AN1x bulk dump".  It's really frustrating 
me because I can make new patches and store them on my AN 200 but I 
can't upload my old patches to adjust them!  I wish this synth would 
have just put the last options found in this program in the synth.  
There are plently of buttons that don't have two purposes.  Oh well, 
I guess I get what I pay for.  I shouldn't complain about a synth 
that is $200. : )

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> wrote:
> 
> You were right Jon about putting it in PLG mode in the AN1xEdit 
> program. Now it works fine.  Which is a very good sign.

That's great!


>  I followed 
> your advice and also downloaded the latest driver for my US 122.  
> But I am still having trouble doing a bulk dump in the AN Expert 
> Editor. I go to setup -> Recieve AN1x Bulk Dump.  Is this the right 
> operation since I have a AN 200?  

It should be, yes. Unless there is some funky SysEx header I'm not aware of that 
differentiates an AN200 from a PLG150-AN

> There are two other options that 
> are not in bold which are: Insert AN Bulk Dump Data.. and Extract 
> Bulk Dump Data.. . Is that what I want or should I follow up on my 
> problem with the "recieve AN1x bulk dump".

I do not know what the Insert and Extract Bulk dump Data commands are - they do not 
appear in the Mac version of AN Expert Editor (at least not that I see.)

Tell me - have you been able to initiate a bulk from AN1xEdit? If you haven't, then I would 
advise you try and upload a single Voice from your AN200 to AN1xEdit. Since you are able 
to successfully transmit from AN1xEdit to your AN200 then the reverse should hold true.

Please double check the MIDI Ch and Device No settings on your AN200 match those used 
to in both AN1xEdit and AN Expert Editor. I'm fairly certain the PART No. and Board default 
values of '1' are okay, but please double check the doc from your AN200 and verify the 
settings on your hardware match those in your software, Probably a good idea to have the 
PART No. and MIDI CH set the same, but again - I'm uncertain how the AN200 handles the 
Board value.

If it works successfully with AN1xEdit then we know it is not a connectivity issue with the 
US-122, but rather a configuration issue with AN Expert Editor.

Jon

How do I recieve a bulk dump in the AN1xEdit program? What folder is 
it under and what command is it called, because I don't see it.

Thanks.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "digitaldisko" <digitaldisko@y...> wrote:
> 
> How do I recieve a bulk dump in the AN1xEdit program? What folder is 
> it under and what command is it called, because I don't see it.
> 
> Thanks.

Okay - no offense, but there is online help in AN1xEdit. You need to try and help yourself 
a little more. I'm happy to help, but I don't have the time or inclination to repeat what's in 
the manual.

On the menu bar, go to Help -> AN1xEdit Help: Select Libary Module then Bulk Operation 
- read up on the Send and Request commands. It's as simple as selecting a Voice, then 
click on the Request button.

I strongly suggest you read the chapters: Program Setup and AN1x/PLG150AN Overview 
and Using the PLG150AN under Getting Started. Furthermore, there are links to AN200 
specific tutorials and Reference Manuals here:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/links