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Do you have any data on the Patterns?  If you don't have any data saved on 
a track, switching to a new Pattern will mean that the old Presets will 
still be assigned to the track. 

rEalm





honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@...>
05/07/2003 06:19 PM
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        Subject:        [xl7] going insane ..presets changing on patterns


lets say i go to a pattern(test x) and change the presets on that 
pattern and then save the pattern .. then  move on to another pattern 
the persets on that pattern will xfer to what ever pattern that i 
move to ie test x presets move to test y presets...

now when i shutoff the xl and reboot it does the same thing ..
on the boot up process right b4 i can auctually start using the data 
the xl goes thru the normal boot up screens and then comes to this 

LOADING 001 0 (not exactly but i think you understand ) it looks like 
its loading pattern 001 bank 0

when i go to any pattern and pres the stop button three time to 
reinitialze the pattern ..b4 it switches the pattern it dispays the 
same thing 0001 0 before it switches ...what is it doing there ??

i am giuessing that this one will only be fixed thru an os update ..

oh yea my os is 1.32 




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hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was causing this 
whole prb .. but i still do not know why ???

Do you have any data on the Patterns?   
yes ...i have the pattern that i am working  000 0 and the rest of 
the xl preset patterns are still there after that ... 

the way it was freaking out was really crazy 

i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and found my 
prb ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it just a 
way of thinking that i am not used to ..

"the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, instead 
of the correct values you wanted"

i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a preset 
assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
pattern ..and it is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my 
head the multisetup should contain information about the channel 
assigment ...like what sub groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one pattern 
start out with one effect setting and change to another all they 
would have to do is switch the mutisetup ..

in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl patterns ..and i switch 
the multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the 
presets in that pattern...  how do i fix this ?? it seems that my 
mutisetup 000  001  002 all change the presets ..NOno no .me no want 
that ...  

"and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the Multisetups 
channel settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??

how is this undone ?????

thanks again to all 

 In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Do you have any data on the Patterns?  If you don't have any data 
saved on 
> a track, switching to a new Pattern will mean that the old Presets 
will 
> still be assigned to the track. 
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@c...>
> 05/07/2003 06:19 PM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] going insane ..presets changing on 
patterns
> 
> 
> lets say i go to a pattern(test x) and change the presets on that 
> pattern and then save the pattern .. then  move on to another 
pattern 
> the persets on that pattern will xfer to what ever pattern that i 
> move to ie test x presets move to test y presets...
> 
> now when i shutoff the xl and reboot it does the same thing ..
> on the boot up process right b4 i can auctually start using the 
data 
> the xl goes thru the normal boot up screens and then comes to this 
> 
> LOADING 001 0 (not exactly but i think you understand ) it looks 
like 
> its loading pattern 001 bank 0
> 
> when i go to any pattern and pres the stop button three time to 
> reinitialze the pattern ..b4 it switches the pattern it dispays the 
> same thing 0001 0 before it switches ...what is it doing there ??
> 
> i am giuessing that this one will only be fixed thru an os update ..
> 
> oh yea my os is 1.32 
> 
> 
> 
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hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was causing this whole 
prb .. but i still do not know why ???

>>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets that were on each 
Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern after loading 
a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, not the ones you 
saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to Saved Pattern 
before you save the Pattern! <<<

i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and found my prb 
..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it just a way of 
thinking that i am not used to ..

>>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<

"the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, instead of the 
correct values you wanted"

i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a preset 
assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to pattern ..and it 
is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head the multisetup 
should contain information about the channel assigment ...like what sub 
groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one pattern start 
out with one effect setting and change to another all they would have to 
do is switch the mutisetup ..

>>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are more flexible than 
that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, like Cubase, 
then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes would be 
stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right sounds on each 
track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  There's lots 
more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset assignments, though 
that is a nice benefit. <<<

in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl patterns ..and i switch the 
multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the presets in that 
pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 

>>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern Edit menu). 
This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the Pattern.  Now resave 
the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the Presets from 
the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of Multi's you want to 
load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all Patterns.  Think 
of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 at the moment 
you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will revert to how the 
XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<

"and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the Multisetups channel 
settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??

>>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the Presets to 
each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As far as the 
Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't what you want, 
it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as it's 
concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store the new 
Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<

how is this undone ?????

>>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you want, perform a 
Revert to Saved. <<<

thanks again to all

>>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe it or not, 
it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to get your head 
around and it'll make more sense. <<<

rEalm



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ok .i am back with the same prb  
here is what i am doing 
write a pattern 
set the knobs to different controls 
save the pattern first..
the play the pattern and then save the muti ( to save the controller 
set up )
save it then name it 

i do this for two patterns ..
the controller vaules being different for both patterns 

pattern A   multi A
pattern B   multi B

when i go from pattern A to B   the controller vaules remian the same 
in order for me to get the right pattern with the right multisetup is 
to stop play change 
multi then do a revert to pattern .. but how are you supposed to do 
that live ?

i am truly sorry that i do not understand this concept.


-- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was causing this 
whole 
> prb .. but i still do not know why ???
> 
> >>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets that were 
on each 
> Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern after 
loading 
> a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, not the 
ones you 
> saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to Saved 
Pattern 
> before you save the Pattern! <<<
> 
> i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and found my 
prb 
> ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it just a way 
of 
> thinking that i am not used to ..
> 
> >>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<
> 
> "the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, instead 
of the 
> correct values you wanted"
> 
> i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a preset 
> assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
pattern ..and it 
> is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head the 
multisetup 
> should contain information about the channel assigment ...like what 
sub 
> groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
> effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one pattern 
start 
> out with one effect setting and change to another all they would 
have to 
> do is switch the mutisetup ..
> 
> >>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are more 
flexible than 
> that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, like 
Cubase, 
> then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes would 
be 
> stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right sounds on 
each 
> track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  There's 
lots 
> more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset assignments, 
though 
> that is a nice benefit. <<<
> 
> in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl patterns ..and i 
switch the 
> multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the presets 
in that 
> pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 
> 
> >>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern Edit 
menu). 
> This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the Pattern.  Now 
resave 
> the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the Presets 
from 
> the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of Multi's you 
want to 
> load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all 
Patterns.  Think 
> of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 at the 
moment 
> you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will revert to 
how the 
> XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<
> 
> "and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the Multisetups 
channel 
> settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??
> 
> >>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the Presets 
to 
> each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As far as the 
> Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't what you 
want, 
> it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as it's 
> concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store the new 
> Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<
> 
> how is this undone ?????
> 
> >>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you want, 
perform a 
> Revert to Saved. <<<
> 
> thanks again to all
> 
> >>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe it or 
not, 
> it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to get your 
head 

> around and it'll make more sense. <<<
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What knob settings are you changing?  Are they set to Volume, or Quick 
Edit?

rEalm





honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@...>
05/22/2003 12:30 AM
Please respond to xl7

 
        To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
        cc: 

        Subject:        [xl7] Re: going insane ..presets changing on patterns


ok .i am back with the same prb 
here is what i am doing 
write a pattern 
set the knobs to different controls 
save the pattern first..
the play the pattern and then save the muti ( to save the controller 
set up )
save it then name it 

i do this for two patterns ..
the controller vaules being different for both patterns 

pattern A   multi A
pattern B   multi B

when i go from pattern A to B   the controller vaules remian the same 
in order for me to get the right pattern with the right multisetup is 
to stop play change 
multi then do a revert to pattern .. but how are you supposed to do 
that live ?

i am truly sorry that i do not understand this concept.


-- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was causing this 
whole 
> prb .. but i still do not know why ???
> 
> >>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets that were 
on each 
> Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern after 
loading 
> a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, not the 
ones you 
> saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to Saved 
Pattern 
> before you save the Pattern! <<<
> 
> i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and found my 
prb 
> ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it just a way 
of 
> thinking that i am not used to ..
> 
> >>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<
> 
> "the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, instead 
of the 
> correct values you wanted"
> 
> i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a preset 
> assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
pattern ..and it 
> is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head the 
multisetup 
> should contain information about the channel assigment ...like what 
sub 
> groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
> effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one pattern 
start 
> out with one effect setting and change to another all they would 
have to 
> do is switch the mutisetup ..
> 
> >>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are more 
flexible than 
> that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, like 
Cubase, 
> then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes would 
be 
> stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right sounds on 
each 
> track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  There's 
lots 
> more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset assignments, 
though 
> that is a nice benefit. <<<
> 
> in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl patterns ..and i 
switch the 
> multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the presets 
in that 
> pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 
> 
> >>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern Edit 
menu). 
> This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the Pattern.  Now 
resave 
> the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the Presets 
from 
> the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of Multi's you 
want to 
> load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all 
Patterns.  Think 
> of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 at the 
moment 
> you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will revert to 
how the 
> XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<
> 
> "and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the Multisetups 
channel 
> settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??
> 
> >>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the Presets 
to 
> each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As far as the 
> Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't what you 
want, 
> it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as it's 
> concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store the new 
> Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<
> 
> how is this undone ?????
> 
> >>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you want, 
perform a 
> Revert to Saved. <<<
> 
> thanks again to all
> 
> >>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe it or 
not, 
> it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to get your 
head 
> around and it'll make more sense. <<<
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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What knob settings are you changing?
controller assigment 
k1    assigned to 74 for ch 2
k2    assigned to 71 for ch 4

the for pattern two 

say k1 assigned to control 1  ch 4 
whatever you get the idea ..

after i set the controller assigment i play the pattern then i save 
the pattern and then i save the muti and then name it and then save 
it to that name ..

i do this for the two patterns ..
again in oder for the pattern and controller vaules to be right. 
these are the steps that i have to take ..
go to multi ..select the multi ..then revert the pattern 
..when i switch the pattern i ahve to do the same for that pattern as 
well ....HOW DO I DO THIS LIVE ..i cant stop the show and start it up 
again ..thanks again 




- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> What knob settings are you changing?  Are they set to Volume, or 
Quick 
> Edit?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@c...>
> 05/22/2003 12:30 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: going insane ..presets changing 
on patterns
> 
> 
> ok .i am back with the same prb 
> here is what i am doing 
> write a pattern 
> set the knobs to different controls 
> save the pattern first..
> the play the pattern and then save the muti ( to save the 
controller 
> set up )
> save it then name it 
> 
> i do this for two patterns ..
> the controller vaules being different for both patterns 
> 
> pattern A   multi A
> pattern B   multi B
> 
> when i go from pattern A to B   the controller vaules remian the 
same 
> in order for me to get the right pattern with the right multisetup 
is 
> to stop play change 
> multi then do a revert to pattern .. but how are you supposed to do 
> that live ?
> 
> i am truly sorry that i do not understand this concept.
> 
> 
> -- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was causing 
this 
> whole 
> > prb .. but i still do not know why ???
> > 
> > >>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets that 
were 
> on each 
> > Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern after 
> loading 
> > a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, not the 
> ones you 
> > saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to Saved 
> Pattern 
> > before you save the Pattern! <<<
> > 
> > i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and found 
my 
> prb 
> > ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it just a 
way 
> of 
> > thinking that i am not used to ..
> > 
> > >>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<
> > 
> > "the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, 
instead 
> of the 
> > correct values you wanted"
> > 
> > i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a preset 
> > assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
> pattern ..and it 
> > is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head the 
> multisetup 
> > should contain information about the channel assigment ...like 
what 
> sub 
> > groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
> > effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one 
pattern 
> start 
> > out with one effect setting and change to another all they would 
> have to 
> > do is switch the mutisetup ..
> > 
> > >>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are more 
> flexible than 
> > that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, like 
> Cubase, 
> > then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes would 
> be 
> > stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right sounds on 
> each 
> > track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  
There's 
> lots 
> > more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset 
assignments, 
> though 
> > that is a nice benefit. <<<
> > 
> > in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl patterns ..and i 
> switch the 
> > multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the 
presets 
> in that 
> > pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 
> > 
> > >>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern Edit 
> menu). 
> > This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the Pattern.  
Now 
> resave 
> > the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the 
Presets 
> from 
> > the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of Multi's 
you 
> want to 
> > load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all 
> Patterns.  Think 
> > of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 at the 
> moment 
> > you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will revert 
to 
> how the 
> > XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<
> > 
> > "and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the Multisetups 
> channel 
> > settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??
> > 
> > >>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the 
Presets 
> to 
> > each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As far as 
the 
> > Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't what you 
> want, 
> > it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as it's 
> > concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store the 
new 
> > Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<
> > 
> > how is this undone ?????
> > 
> > >>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you want, 
> perform a 
> > Revert to Saved. <<<
> > 
> > thanks again to all
> > 
> > >>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe it or 
> not, 
> > it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to get your 
> head 
> > around and it'll make more sense. <<<
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
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Ok, so it sounds like you're using the knobs in Program mode, since you're 
assignments are on different channels.  The only way to save this is via a 
Multi as you are doing, which of course saves the current Presets too. Not 
much you can do to get around this, except plan ahead in your patterns, or 
switch channels manually (EDIT + TRACK MUTE is the fastest way) and use 
the knobs in Quick Edit mode (knobs A and B will be 74 and 71 by default).

rEalm





What knob settings are you changing?
controller assigment 
k1    assigned to 74 for ch 2
k2    assigned to 71 for ch 4

the for pattern two 

say k1 assigned to control 1  ch 4 
whatever you get the idea ..

after i set the controller assigment i play the pattern then i save 
the pattern and then i save the muti and then name it and then save 
it to that name ..

i do this for the two patterns ..
again in oder for the pattern and controller vaules to be right. 
these are the steps that i have to take ..
go to multi ..select the multi ..then revert the pattern 
..when i switch the pattern i ahve to do the same for that pattern as 
well ....HOW DO I DO THIS LIVE ..i cant stop the show and start it up 
again ..thanks again 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hello everyone  ..what am i doing wrong here ..please tell me that 
this is a function that i can do 


 In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> What knob settings are you changing?
> controller assigment 
> k1    assigned to 74 for ch 2
> k2    assigned to 71 for ch 4
> 
> the for pattern two 
> 
> say k1 assigned to control 1  ch 4 
> whatever you get the idea ..
> 
> after i set the controller assigment i play the pattern then i save 
> the pattern and then i save the muti and then name it and then save 
> it to that name ..
> 
> i do this for the two patterns ..
> again in oder for the pattern and controller vaules to be right. 
> these are the steps that i have to take ..
> go to multi ..select the multi ..then revert the pattern 
> ..when i switch the pattern i ahve to do the same for that pattern 
as 
> well ....HOW DO I DO THIS LIVE ..i cant stop the show and start it 
up 
> again ..thanks again 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > What knob settings are you changing?  Are they set to Volume, or 
> Quick 
> > Edit?
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@c...>
> > 05/22/2003 12:30 AM
> > Please respond to xl7
> > 
> >  
> >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        [xl7] Re: going insane ..presets changing 
> on patterns
> > 
> > 
> > ok .i am back with the same prb 
> > here is what i am doing 
> > write a pattern 
> > set the knobs to different controls 
> > save the pattern first..
> > the play the pattern and then save the muti ( to save the 
> controller 
> > set up )
> > save it then name it 
> > 
> > i do this for two patterns ..
> > the controller vaules being different for both patterns 
> > 
> > pattern A   multi A
> > pattern B   multi B
> > 
> > when i go from pattern A to B   the controller vaules remian the 
> same 
> > in order for me to get the right pattern with the right 
multisetup 
> is 
> > to stop play change 
> > multi then do a revert to pattern .. but how are you supposed to 
do 
> > that live ?
> > 
> > i am truly sorry that i do not understand this concept.
> > 
> > 
> > -- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was causing 
> this 
> > whole 
> > > prb .. but i still do not know why ???
> > > 
> > > >>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets that 
> were 
> > on each 
> > > Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern 
after 
> > loading 
> > > a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, not 
the 
> > ones you 
> > > saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to Saved 
> > Pattern 
> > > before you save the Pattern! <<<
> > > 
> > > i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and 
found 
> my 
> > prb 
> > > ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it just a 
> way 
> > of 
> > > thinking that i am not used to ..
> > > 
> > > >>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<
> > > 
> > > "the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, 
> instead 
> > of the 
> > > correct values you wanted"
> > > 
> > > i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a 
preset 
> > > assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
> > pattern ..and it 
> > > is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head the 
> > multisetup 
> > > should contain information about the channel assigment ...like 
> what 
> > sub 
> > > groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
> > > effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one 
> pattern 
> > start 
> > > out with one effect setting and change to another all they 
would 
> > have to 
> > > do is switch the mutisetup ..
> > > 
> > > >>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are more 
> > flexible than 
> > > that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, like 
> > Cubase, 
> > > then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes 
would 
> > be 
> > > stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right sounds 
on 
> > each 
> > > track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  
> There's 
> > lots 
> > > more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset 
> assignments, 
> > though 
> > > that is a nice benefit. <<<
> > > 
> > > in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl patterns ..and i 
> > switch the 
> > > multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the 
> presets 
> > in that 
> > > pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 
> > > 
> > > >>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern Edit 
> > menu). 
> > > This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the Pattern.  
> Now 
> > resave 
> > > the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the 
> Presets 
> > from 
> > > the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of Multi's 
> you 
> > want to 
> > > load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all 
> > Patterns.  Think 
> > > of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 at 
the 
> > moment 
> > > you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will revert 
> to 
> > how the 
> > > XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<
> > > 
> > > "and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the 
Multisetups 
> > channel 
> > > settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??
> > > 
> > > >>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the 
> Presets 
> > to 
> > > each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As far as 
> the 
> > > Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't what 
you 
> > want, 
> > > it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as 
it's 
> > > concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store the 
> new 
> > > Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<
> > > 
> > > how is this undone ?????
> > > 
> > > >>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you 
want, 
> > perform a 
> > > Revert to Saved. <<<
> > > 
> > > thanks again to all
> > > 
> > > >>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe it 
or 
> > not, 
> > > it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to get 
your 

> > head 
> > > around and it'll make more sense. <<<
> > > 
> > > rEalm
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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i must say that i am surprised that no one sets up multis with 
presets and if they do ..on one wanted to ans the question..i fianlly 
turned to the emu website and they helped me out.Wonderfull feeling 

this is what i got from the tech support 

You can recall the multisetup from within the pattern and that should 
solve the problem.
In pattern edit go to Event and enter program change data and Bank 
select change data. For Multisetups : MSB=80, LSB=00 and then the 
Program change = the Multisetup number. 

but there is more to go ..this did not work for me 
you have to make shure that prg ch is enabled for that particular midi
ch and you have to set the destination both,inter would prb work but 
i did not check that out. hoora ho ra   peace





-- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> hello everyone  ..what am i doing wrong here ..please tell me that 
> this is a function that i can do 
> 
> 
>  In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> > What knob settings are you changing?
> > controller assigment 
> > k1    assigned to 74 for ch 2
> > k2    assigned to 71 for ch 4
> > 
> > the for pattern two 
> > 
> > say k1 assigned to control 1  ch 4 
> > whatever you get the idea ..
> > 
> > after i set the controller assigment i play the pattern then i 
save 
> > the pattern and then i save the muti and then name it and then 
save 
> > it to that name ..
> > 
> > i do this for the two patterns ..
> > again in oder for the pattern and controller vaules to be right. 
> > these are the steps that i have to take ..
> > go to multi ..select the multi ..then revert the pattern 
> > ..when i switch the pattern i ahve to do the same for that 
pattern 
> as 
> > well ....HOW DO I DO THIS LIVE ..i cant stop the show and start 
it 
> up 
> > again ..thanks again 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > What knob settings are you changing?  Are they set to Volume, 
or 
> > Quick 
> > > Edit?
> > > 
> > > rEalm
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@c...>
> > > 05/22/2003 12:30 AM
> > > Please respond to xl7
> > > 
> > >  
> > >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > >         cc: 
> > >         Subject:        [xl7] Re: going insane ..presets 
changing 
> > on patterns
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ok .i am back with the same prb 
> > > here is what i am doing 
> > > write a pattern 
> > > set the knobs to different controls 
> > > save the pattern first..
> > > the play the pattern and then save the muti ( to save the 
> > controller 
> > > set up )
> > > save it then name it 
> > > 
> > > i do this for two patterns ..
> > > the controller vaules being different for both patterns 
> > > 
> > > pattern A   multi A
> > > pattern B   multi B
> > > 
> > > when i go from pattern A to B   the controller vaules remian 
the 
> > same 
> > > in order for me to get the right pattern with the right 
> multisetup 
> > is 
> > > to stop play change 
> > > multi then do a revert to pattern .. but how are you supposed 
to 
> do 
> > > that live ?
> > > 
> > > i am truly sorry that i do not understand this concept.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > > hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was causing 
> > this 
> > > whole 
> > > > prb .. but i still do not know why ???
> > > > 
> > > > >>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets that 
> > were 
> > > on each 
> > > > Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern 
> after 
> > > loading 
> > > > a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, not 
> the 
> > > ones you 
> > > > saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to 
Saved 
> > > Pattern 
> > > > before you save the Pattern! <<<
> > > > 
> > > > i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and 
> found 
> > my 
> > > prb 
> > > > ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it just 
a 
> > way 
> > > of 
> > > > thinking that i am not used to ..
> > > > 
> > > > >>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<
> > > > 
> > > > "the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, 
> > instead 
> > > of the 
> > > > correct values you wanted"
> > > > 
> > > > i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a 
> preset 
> > > > assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
> > > pattern ..and it 
> > > > is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head the 
> > > multisetup 
> > > > should contain information about the channel 
assigment ...like 
> > what 
> > > sub 
> > > > groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
> > > > effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one 
> > pattern 
> > > start 
> > > > out with one effect setting and change to another all they 
> would 
> > > have to 
> > > > do is switch the mutisetup ..
> > > > 
> > > > >>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are more 
> > > flexible than 
> > > > that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, 
like 
> > > Cubase, 
> > > > then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes 
> would 
> > > be 
> > > > stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right 
sounds 
> on 
> > > each 
> > > > track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  
> > There's 
> > > lots 
> > > > more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset 
> > assignments, 
> > > though 
> > > > that is a nice benefit. <<<
> > > > 
> > > > in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl patterns ..and 
i 
> > > switch the 
> > > > multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the 
> > presets 
> > > in that 
> > > > pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 
> > > > 
> > > > >>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern 
Edit 
> > > menu). 
> > > > This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the 
Pattern.  
> > Now 
> > > resave 
> > > > the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the 
> > Presets 
> > > from 
> > > > the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of 
Multi's 
> > you 
> > > want to 
> > > > load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all 
> > > Patterns.  Think 
> > > > of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 at 
> the 
> > > moment 
> > > > you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will 
revert 
> > to 
> > > how the 
> > > > XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<
> > > > 
> > > > "and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the 
> Multisetups 
> > > channel 
> > > > settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??
> > > > 
> > > > >>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the 
> > Presets 
> > > to 
> > > > each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As far 
as 
> > the 
> > > > Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't what 
> you 
> > > want, 
> > > > it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as 
> it's 
> > > > concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store 
the 
> > new 
> > > > Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<
> > > > 
> > > > how is this undone ?????
> > > > 
> > > > >>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you 
> want, 
> > > perform a 
> > > > Revert to Saved. <<<
> > > > 
> > > > thanks again to all
> > > > 
> > > > >>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe 
it 

> or 
> > > not, 
> > > > it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to get 
> your 
> > > head 
> > > > around and it'll make more sense. <<<
> > > > 
> > > > rEalm
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

maybe you could dump this in the tips database?
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> i must say that i am surprised that no one sets up multis with 
> presets and if they do ..on one wanted to ans the question..i 
fianlly 
> turned to the emu website and they helped me out.Wonderfull feeling 
> 
> this is what i got from the tech support 
> 
> You can recall the multisetup from within the pattern and that 
should 
> solve the problem.
> In pattern edit go to Event and enter program change data and Bank 
> select change data. For Multisetups : MSB=80, LSB=00 and then the 
> Program change = the Multisetup number. 
> 
> but there is more to go ..this did not work for me 
> you have to make shure that prg ch is enabled for that particular 
midi
> ch and you have to set the destination both,inter would prb work 
but 
> i did not check that out. hoora ho ra   peace
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> > hello everyone  ..what am i doing wrong here ..please tell me 
that 
> > this is a function that i can do 
> > 
> > 
> >  In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "honkeyhindu" <honkeyhindu@c...> wrote:
> > > What knob settings are you changing?
> > > controller assigment 
> > > k1    assigned to 74 for ch 2
> > > k2    assigned to 71 for ch 4
> > > 
> > > the for pattern two 
> > > 
> > > say k1 assigned to control 1  ch 4 
> > > whatever you get the idea ..
> > > 
> > > after i set the controller assigment i play the pattern then i 
> save 
> > > the pattern and then i save the muti and then name it and then 
> save 
> > > it to that name ..
> > > 
> > > i do this for the two patterns ..
> > > again in oder for the pattern and controller vaules to be 
right. 
> > > these are the steps that i have to take ..
> > > go to multi ..select the multi ..then revert the pattern 
> > > ..when i switch the pattern i ahve to do the same for that 
> pattern 
> > as 
> > > well ....HOW DO I DO THIS LIVE ..i cant stop the show and start 
> it 
> > up 
> > > again ..thanks again 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > > What knob settings are you changing?  Are they set to Volume, 
> or 
> > > Quick 
> > > > Edit?
> > > > 
> > > > rEalm
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > honkeyhindu <honkeyhindu@c...>
> > > > 05/22/2003 12:30 AM
> > > > Please respond to xl7
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > >         cc: 
> > > >         Subject:        [xl7] Re: going insane ..presets 
> changing 
> > > on patterns
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ok .i am back with the same prb 
> > > > here is what i am doing 
> > > > write a pattern 
> > > > set the knobs to different controls 
> > > > save the pattern first..
> > > > the play the pattern and then save the muti ( to save the 
> > > controller 
> > > > set up )
> > > > save it then name it 
> > > > 
> > > > i do this for two patterns ..
> > > > the controller vaules being different for both patterns 
> > > > 
> > > > pattern A   multi A
> > > > pattern B   multi B
> > > > 
> > > > when i go from pattern A to B   the controller vaules remian 
> the 
> > > same 
> > > > in order for me to get the right pattern with the right 
> > multisetup 
> > > is 
> > > > to stop play change 
> > > > multi then do a revert to pattern .. but how are you supposed 
> to 
> > do 
> > > > that live ?
> > > > 
> > > > i am truly sorry that i do not understand this concept.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > > > hmm ..i found out that it was the multisetup that was 
causing 
> > > this 
> > > > whole 
> > > > > prb .. but i still do not know why ???
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Well, if you load a multisetups, it loads the presets 
that 
> > > were 
> > > > on each 
> > > > > Track when you saved the Multi.  So if you save the pattern 
> > after 
> > > > loading 
> > > > > a Multi, it will save the Presets assigned in the Multi, 
not 
> > the 
> > > > ones you 
> > > > > saved as part of the Pattern.   Best bet, is to Revert to 
> Saved 
> > > > Pattern 
> > > > > before you save the Pattern! <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > i went to the emu site to check out the prb last night and 
> > found 
> > > my 
> > > > prb 
> > > > > ..but i cant understandy why emu would do this or if it 
just 
> a 
> > > way 
> > > > of 
> > > > > thinking that i am not used to ..
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>99% sure it's the later, no offense. :) <<
> > > > > 
> > > > > "the Multisetups channel settings will be saved to Pattern, 
> > > instead 
> > > > of the 
> > > > > correct values you wanted"
> > > > > 
> > > > > i do not get this at all .. why would a multiset up save a 
> > preset 
> > > > > assigment ..there is already a way to save the preset to 
> > > > pattern ..and it 
> > > > > is simple and logical ..save it to pattern ...in my head 
the 
> > > > multisetup 
> > > > > should contain information about the channel 
> assigment ...like 
> > > what 
> > > > sub 
> > > > > groups the tracks are assigned to and the 
> > > > > effects percentage such that if a person wanted to have one 
> > > pattern 
> > > > start 
> > > > > out with one effect setting and change to another all they 
> > would 
> > > > have to 
> > > > > do is switch the mutisetup ..
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>You can do what you suggest too, but Multisetups are 
more 
> > > > flexible than 
> > > > > that.  Say you were sequencing from an external sequencer, 
> like 
> > > > Cubase, 
> > > > > then you wouldn't need to create a pattern (since the notes 
> > would 
> > > > be 
> > > > > stored in Cubase).  However, you'd still want the right 
> sounds 
> > on 
> > > > each 
> > > > > track, so you could save a Multisetup to store this data.  
> > > There's 
> > > > lots 
> > > > > more uses for Multi's, they're not JUST to save Preset 
> > > assignments, 
> > > > though 
> > > > > that is a nice benefit. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > in my case say .i am on one of the orginal xl 
patterns ..and 
> i 
> > > > switch the 
> > > > > multisetup the pattern goes all wacky ..it changes all the 
> > > presets 
> > > > in that 
> > > > > pattern...  how do i fix this ?? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Easy, just perform a "Revert To Saved Pattern" (Pattern 
> Edit 
> > > > menu). 
> > > > > This will relaod the Presets that were saved with the 
> Pattern.  
> > > Now 
> > > > resave 
> > > > > the Multi.  Whenever you load the Multi, it will recall the 
> > > Presets 
> > > > from 
> > > > > the Pattern now.  You will need to do this for each of 
> Multi's 
> > > you 
> > > > want to 
> > > > > load durring a Pattern, and you will nee to do it for all 
> > > > Patterns.  Think 
> > > > > of Multi's as a snapshot of every setting within the XX-7 
at 
> > the 
> > > > moment 
> > > > > you save it. Everytime you load a Multi, EVERYTHING will 
> revert 
> > > to 
> > > > how the 
> > > > > XX-7 was when you saved the multi. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > "and if you save your Pattern before playing it, the 
> > Multisetups 
> > > > channel 
> > > > > settings will be saved to Pattern"  err why why why ??
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Because when you load the multisetup, it will assign the 
> > > Presets 
> > > > to 
> > > > > each track that were there when you saved the multi.  As 
far 
> as 
> > > the 
> > > > > Pattern is concerned, it has no idea the Presets aren't 
what 
> > you 
> > > > want, 
> > > > > it's like you manually changed them one at a time as far as 
> > it's 
> > > > > concerned.  So when you save the Pattern, it will now store 
> the 
> > > new 
> > > > > Presets, instead of the ones you had orginally saved. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > how is this undone ?????
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>If you load a multi and it doesn't have the Presets you 
> > want, 
> > > > perform a 
> > > > > Revert to Saved. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks again to all
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>>Let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.  Believe 
> it 
> > or 
> > > > not, 
> > > > > it's a really, really flexible feature, you just need to 
get 

> > your 
> > > > head 
> > > > > around and it'll make more sense. <<<
> > > > > 
> > > > > rEalm
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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