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2003-01-28 by studio_6512 <studio6512@cinense.org>
Which one is better for real instrument sound reproduction, and which one is better for electronic sounds? I am thinking of getting both to accomplish both sides of the production house. thanks...
2003-01-28 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Emu - Electronic.
Roland - real instruments.
Just my opinion of course, and that certainly does not mean they both
can't do it all well.
rEalm
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01/28/2003 11:38 AM
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2003-01-28 by studio_6512 <studio6512@cinense.org>
So if I want a studio with a broad range of realistic and synth type sound, is it good to get both types of synths? I am really concerned with having the sound tdo the job than having too much equipment, as well as being able to completely express myself. My buddy has the MC-909, I plan on getting it as a part of the production studio, just because the variphrase sampler is awesome. However my expression also involves great reproduction of real instruments as well. So if anyone has anymore opinions of the sounds, I would greatly appreciate it. BTW, I thought Roland = Electronic and E-mu= real instruments... (8o) Mark --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Emu - Electronic. > Roland - real instruments. > > Just my opinion of course, and that certainly does not mean they both > can't do it all well. > > rEalm > > > > > > "studio_6512 <studio6512@c...>" <studio6512 > 01/28/2003 11:38 AM > Please respond to xl7 > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > cc: > Subject: [xl7] Roland vs. E-mu Sounds > > > Which one is better for real instrument sound reproduction, and which > one is better for electronic sounds? I am thinking of getting both to > accomplish both sides of the production house. thanks... > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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2003-01-28 by OneSneakYmousE <onesneakymouse@onesneaky
I feel that Emu=Awsome Electronic feel. Roland=Realistic Sounds, I haven't heard the sound of the MC-909, but the older MC's both sounded the same.
2003-01-28 by Nick Rothwell
> Emu - Electronic. > Roland - real instruments. It's very hard to generalise since all instruments these days are very versatile in the hands of a good programmer, but: E-mu are pretty strong in terms of quality ROM sample libraries for PCM-playback instruments, whereas Roland are stronger in the virtual analogue arena (filter modelling and so on). So, if anything, I'd hint the other way round. (Or suggest Nord or Korg.) -- nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
2003-01-28 by ByronIV
Best way to reproduce real instruments for your $...a sampler Best way to produce electronics...a real analog synth Best way to screw yourself down the road...choose by brand name. None of the major retailers are really better overall for one thing or another (except for Yamaha when it comes to FM). Each company has a few real gems, and a lot of hogwash, you just have to try them all out to make sure you don't get slammed with an overpriced under-usable piece of square useless plastic (yes, they're all mostly plastic these days) thats orientated towards low-intelligence leveled, heavy walleted techno "ravers" who think they'll be the next Richie Hawtin because they freaked out on there groove box while dosing hard. Uh, yeah...a bit over done, but you get my point, eh? ByronIV >> > Which one is better for real instrument sound reproduction, and which > one is better for electronic sounds? I am thinking of getting both to > accomplish both sides of the production house. thanks... > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 - Release Date: 1/7/2003
2003-01-28 by Cornell
I haven't had my MP7 for long but I am madly in love with this bad boy. I love the acoustic guitar sound and I was wondering if EMU has a rom for acoustic guitars for use with the MP7. Does the MP7 have any acoustic guitar sounds on it? I will consult the manual when I have time but I thought it'd be quicker to ask here. Thanks!!!! Cornell --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-28 by payntaraspen <payntaraspen@hotmail.com>
I hahve the mp7 and love it too. Check the Proteus rom for good acoustic samples. -payntar --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Cornell <brothacee@y...> wrote: > > I haven't had my MP7 for long but I am madly in love with this bad boy. I love the acoustic guitar sound and I was wondering if EMU has a rom for acoustic guitars for use with the MP7. Does the MP7 have any acoustic guitar sounds on it? I will consult the manual when I have time but I thought it'd be quicker to ask here. Thanks!!!!
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2003-01-28 by Nick Rothwell
> None of the major retailers are really better overall for one thing or > another (except for Yamaha when it comes to FM). Yamaha aren't actually better than everyone else when it comes to FM; it's just that they control the licence of the technology. -- nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
2003-01-28 by Aaron Eppolito
--- "studio_6512 <studio6512@...>" wrote: > My buddy has the MC-909, I plan on getting it as a part of the > production studio, just because the variphrase sampler is awesome. I played with the 909 at NAMM, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't have variphrase. The demo guys were pretty clueless when I asked him "How many voices of Variphrase does it do?" I got all sorts of answers from "All of them" to "Uh, well you have 16 tracks..." to "Well, this turntable emulation thing can slow..." After really working on it for a while with one of the Roland guys, it seems that the 909's "Variphrase-like" ability comes from being able to chop up a sample into smaller looped samples and playing them with an arpeggiator thing. For the factory sounds, this seemed to happen automatically. We couldn't figure out how to do it with something we sampled. In any case, the sound quality was what you'd expect from slowing down a vocal (for example) where each syllable was looped: pretty stuttery. It sounded nothing like their Variphrase technology. Their brochure also doesn't mention Variphrase anywhere in it either. The only thing it does mention is the ability to timestretch *out of realtime*. -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2003-01-28 by Andre Lewis
I had never heard it was supposed to have it either. It's really a simple sampler like in Korg ES-1. I'm not really worried about picking it up over my 505 or the Command stations unless it dramtically improves on them, which I really doubt it does.
-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:25 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds --- "studio_6512 <studio6512@...>" wrote: > My buddy has the MC-909, I plan on getting it as a part of the > production studio, just because the variphrase sampler is awesome. I played with the 909 at NAMM, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't have variphrase. The demo guys were pretty clueless when I asked him "How many voices of Variphrase does it do?" I got all sorts of answers from "All of them" to "Uh, well you have 16 tracks..." to "Well, this turntable emulation thing can slow..." After really working on it for a while with one of the Roland guys, it seems that the 909's "Variphrase-like" ability comes from being able to chop up a sample into smaller looped samples and playing them with an arpeggiator thing. For the factory sounds, this seemed to happen automatically. We couldn't figure out how to do it with something we sampled. In any case, the sound quality was what you'd expect from slowing down a vocal (for example) where each syllable was looped: pretty stuttery. It sounded nothing like their Variphrase technology. Their brochure also doesn't mention Variphrase anywhere in it either. The only thing it does mention is the ability to timestretch *out of realtime*. -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-01-28 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
Call it variphrase lite or whatever you want, it does timestretch on the fly (acid like) any samples that are part of a pattern. I think this is pretty powerful in a live situation so you can have patterns containing samples and then sync to any band using the tap tempo button. This is the joy of a good groovebox, but until the 909 it was impossible to do with samples. As far as I know, you can have samples on all tracks of a pattern if you want. IMO that is the best thing about the 909. Unfortunately they left out megamix and removed other features like accessible delay controls for tracks which were good live tools on the MC909. Ravi
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds
--- "studio_6512 <studio6512@...>" wrote:
> My buddy has the MC-909, I plan on getting it as a part of the
> production studio, just because the variphrase sampler is awesome.
I played with the 909 at NAMM, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't
have variphrase. The demo guys were pretty clueless when I asked him
"How many voices of Variphrase does it do?" I got all sorts of answers
from "All of them" to "Uh, well you have 16 tracks..." to "Well, this
turntable emulation thing can slow..."
After really working on it for a while with one of the Roland guys, it
seems that the 909's "Variphrase-like" ability comes from being able to
chop up a sample into smaller looped samples and playing them with an
arpeggiator thing. For the factory sounds, this seemed to happen
automatically. We couldn't figure out how to do it with something we
sampled.
In any case, the sound quality was what you'd expect from slowing down
a vocal (for example) where each syllable was looped: pretty stuttery.
It sounded nothing like their Variphrase technology. Their brochure
also doesn't mention Variphrase anywhere in it either. The only thing
it does mention is the ability to timestretch *out of realtime*.
-Aaron
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-01-28 by Andre Lewis
That's what I really wat to know, what's missing from the 505 to the 909
-----Original Message-----
From: Ravi Ivan Sharma [mailto:noision1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:27 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds
Call it variphrase lite or whatever you want, it does timestretch on the fly
(acid like) any samples that are part of a pattern. I think this is pretty
powerful in a live situation so you can have patterns containing samples and
then sync to any band using the tap tempo button. This is the joy of a good
groovebox, but until the 909 it was impossible to do with samples. As far as I
know, you can have samples on all tracks of a pattern if you want.
IMO that is the best thing about the 909. Unfortunately they left out megamix
and removed other features like accessible delay controls for tracks which were
good live tools on the MC909.
Ravi
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds
--- "studio_6512 <studio6512@...>" wrote:
> My buddy has the MC-909, I plan on getting it as a part of the
> production studio, just because the variphrase sampler is awesome.
I played with the 909 at NAMM, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't
have variphrase. The demo guys were pretty clueless when I asked him
"How many voices of Variphrase does it do?" I got all sorts of answers
from "All of them" to "Uh, well you have 16 tracks..." to "Well, this
turntable emulation thing can slow..."
After really working on it for a while with one of the Roland guys, it
seems that the 909's "Variphrase-like" ability comes from being able to
chop up a sample into smaller looped samples and playing them with an
arpeggiator thing. For the factory sounds, this seemed to happen
automatically. We couldn't figure out how to do it with something we
sampled.
In any case, the sound quality was what you'd expect from slowing down
a vocal (for example) where each syllable was looped: pretty stuttery.
It sounded nothing like their Variphrase technology. Their brochure
also doesn't mention Variphrase anywhere in it either. The only thing
it does mention is the ability to timestretch *out of realtime*.
-Aaron
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Am I the only person who can't stand Roland's D/A converters? Every Roland product I've ever heard has exactly the same Roland 'bedroom tone'. bIz
----- Original Message ----- From: studio_6512 <studio6512@...> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: [xl7] Roland vs. E-mu Sounds Which one is better for real instrument sound reproduction, and which one is better for electronic sounds? I am thinking of getting both to accomplish both sides of the production house. thanks... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-28 by Aaron Eppolito
--- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote: > Call it variphrase lite or whatever you want, it does timestretch > on the fly (acid like) any samples that are part of a pattern. Unless you manually chop up the wave (ala Motif) or use one of the magic pre-chopped factory samples, realtime timestretching also affects pitch though, right? There was that one factory vocal (something like "You're all I'm dreaming of") that was in a rhythm voice that automatically tracked the tempo, but the looped sections were about a 16th note long. For most tempo stretches, it sounded pretty good. However, when I tried to do the same to a non-factory voice, the pitch changed when I timestretched (using the BPM slider, with Pitch de-selected). Not that I'm knocking the 909, it was just somewhat anti-climatic when I thought that it was going to have the full variphrase thing like the VP-9000 (or the new VariOS). It's also entirely possible that we (the Roland guy and I) couldn't figure out how to do it...I felt bad taking up 20 minutes as it was. -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2003-01-28 by Aaron Eppolito
--- Jonathan El-Bizri <sserendipity@...> wrote: > Am I the only person who can't stand Roland's D/A converters? Every > Roland product I've ever heard has exactly the same Roland 'bedroom > tone'. LOL. Are you sure it's the DACs and not that "32MB when converted to 16-bit linear" crap? I don't know what their proprietary wave data format is, but it's something less than 16 bit data. I think they use some sort of companding with like 12 bit samples or something, and then "emphasize" it after the fact. All of their synths do this (as is evidenced by the disclamer on ALL of their wave data sizes) so that might be what you're hearing. A good test would be to listen to one of their samplers that really do 16-bit linear (like the sampling section of the 909, not the synth voices). -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2003-01-28 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
On the roland you may have to apply a slicing procedure to a sample, but I am pretty sure that it is not a manual job. It is more along the lines of acid, i.e. it does it for you and you can go in an manually tweak it if it needs it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds
--- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote:
> Call it variphrase lite or whatever you want, it does timestretch
> on the fly (acid like) any samples that are part of a pattern.
Unless you manually chop up the wave (ala Motif) or use one of the
magic pre-chopped factory samples, realtime timestretching also affects
pitch though, right?
There was that one factory vocal (something like "You're all I'm
dreaming of") that was in a rhythm voice that automatically tracked the
tempo, but the looped sections were about a 16th note long. For most
tempo stretches, it sounded pretty good. However, when I tried to do
the same to a non-factory voice, the pitch changed when I timestretched
(using the BPM slider, with Pitch de-selected).
Not that I'm knocking the 909, it was just somewhat anti-climatic when
I thought that it was going to have the full variphrase thing like the
VP-9000 (or the new VariOS). It's also entirely possible that we (the
Roland guy and I) couldn't figure out how to do it...I felt bad taking
up 20 minutes as it was.
-Aaron
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-01-28 by Aaron Eppolito
--- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote: > On the roland you may have to apply a slicing procedure to a sample, Ahh. Got it. I did manage to get it to do that (but then it spewed the sample over 16 notes of the drummap, but there's probably a way around that). It was automatic (sort of) in that you set a transient threshold, above which it would slice the sample. Worked fine for a drumloop, not so great for instruments or vocals. For anyone who's wondering, it was almost exactly like the Motif's "audio sequencing". Kinda seems like the guys who design the variphrase stuff and the guys who design the groovebox stuff don't talk that much to each other... Guess we'll have to wait for the MC-13013 for the full time/pitch/formant variphrase stuff! -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2003-01-29 by plasticefx@aol.com
In a message dated 1/28/03 5:54:17 PM, sserendipity@... writes: << Am I the only person who can't stand Roland's D/A converters? Every Roland product I've ever heard has exactly the same Roland 'bedroom tone'. bIz >> yeah. that's what i love about em!! plasticefx.
2003-01-29 by Andre Lewis
I think the command station and one of these should do the trick: http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242&Category=Synthesizers I'd rather keep my 505 and divy up for the variphrase by itself. Especially since they dropped a bit of the functionality from the 909. I'm not worried about the 909 soundset, I allready have it on other gear. Andre
-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:21 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds --- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote: > On the roland you may have to apply a slicing procedure to a sample, Ahh. Got it. I did manage to get it to do that (but then it spewed the sample over 16 notes of the drummap, but there's probably a way around that). It was automatic (sort of) in that you set a transient threshold, above which it would slice the sample. Worked fine for a drumloop, not so great for instruments or vocals. For anyone who's wondering, it was almost exactly like the Motif's "audio sequencing". Kinda seems like the guys who design the variphrase stuff and the guys who design the groovebox stuff don't talk that much to each other... Guess we'll have to wait for the MC-13013 for the full time/pitch/formant variphrase stuff! -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-01-29 by studio6512
But this is really not a sampler though, is it? I would like the autochop feature coupled with one of the xx7 boxes. man would that be sweet. (8o)
-----Original Message----- From: Andre Lewis [mailto:andrel@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:11 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds I think the command station and one of these should do the trick: http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242 <http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242&Category=Synthesizers > &Category=Synthesizers I'd rather keep my 505 and divy up for the variphrase by itself. Especially since they dropped a bit of the functionality from the 909. I'm not worried about the 909 soundset, I allready have it on other gear. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:21 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds --- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote: > On the roland you may have to apply a slicing procedure to a sample, Ahh. Got it. I did manage to get it to do that (but then it spewed the sample over 16 notes of the drummap, but there's probably a way around that). It was automatic (sort of) in that you set a transient threshold, above which it would slice the sample. Worked fine for a drumloop, not so great for instruments or vocals. For anyone who's wondering, it was almost exactly like the Motif's "audio sequencing". Kinda seems like the guys who design the variphrase stuff and the guys who design the groovebox stuff don't talk that much to each other... Guess we'll have to wait for the MC-13013 for the full time/pitch/formant variphrase stuff! -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17077098 65:HM/A=1394046/R=0/*http:/www.hgtv.com/hgtv/pac_ctnt/text/0,,HGTV_3936_5802 ,FF.html> HGTV Dream Home Giveaway <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1394046/rand=753375063> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-29 by Andre Lewis
It's really a variphrase on steroids, and in a lot of respects it IS like a traditional sampler, in that you can play material above and below it's source key with very little noticable degradation, with formant correction. Not to mention liquid drum loops at any tempo. It holds audio internally and you have to preencode everything but there is batch processing software for it. Good enough for me :) Andre
-----Original Message----- From: studio6512 [mailto:studio6512@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:41 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds But this is really not a sampler though, is it? I would like the autochop feature coupled with one of the xx7 boxes. man would that be sweet. (8o) -----Original Message----- From: Andre Lewis [mailto:andrel@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:11 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds I think the command station and one of these should do the trick: http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242 <http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242&Category=Synthesizers > &Category=Synthesizers I'd rather keep my 505 and divy up for the variphrase by itself. Especially since they dropped a bit of the functionality from the 909. I'm not worried about the 909 soundset, I allready have it on other gear. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:21 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds --- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote: > On the roland you may have to apply a slicing procedure to a sample, Ahh. Got it. I did manage to get it to do that (but then it spewed the sample over 16 notes of the drummap, but there's probably a way around that). It was automatic (sort of) in that you set a transient threshold, above which it would slice the sample. Worked fine for a drumloop, not so great for instruments or vocals. For anyone who's wondering, it was almost exactly like the Motif's "audio sequencing". Kinda seems like the guys who design the variphrase stuff and the guys who design the groovebox stuff don't talk that much to each other... Guess we'll have to wait for the MC-13013 for the full time/pitch/formant variphrase stuff! -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17077098 65:HM/A=1394046/R=0/*http:/www.hgtv.com/hgtv/pac_ctnt/text/0,,HGTV_3936_5802 ,FF.html> HGTV Dream Home Giveaway <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1394046/rand=753375063> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-01-29 by studio6512
Is it worth the money, since the MC-909 is only a couple of hundred dollars more?
-----Original Message----- From: Andre Lewis [mailto:andrel@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:07 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds It's really a variphrase on steroids, and in a lot of respects it IS like a traditional sampler, in that you can play material above and below it's source key with very little noticable degradation, with formant correction. Not to mention liquid drum loops at any tempo. It holds audio internally and you have to preencode everything but there is batch processing software for it. Good enough for me :) Andre -----Original Message----- From: studio6512 [mailto:studio6512@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:41 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds But this is really not a sampler though, is it? I would like the autochop feature coupled with one of the xx7 boxes. man would that be sweet. (8o) -----Original Message----- From: Andre Lewis [mailto:andrel@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:11 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds I think the command station and one of these should do the trick: http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242 <http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242 <http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242&Category=Synthesizers > &Category=Synthesizers > &Category=Synthesizers I'd rather keep my 505 and divy up for the variphrase by itself. Especially since they dropped a bit of the functionality from the 909. I'm not worried about the 909 soundset, I allready have it on other gear. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:21 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds --- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote: > On the roland you may have to apply a slicing procedure to a sample, Ahh. Got it. I did manage to get it to do that (but then it spewed the sample over 16 notes of the drummap, but there's probably a way around that). It was automatic (sort of) in that you set a transient threshold, above which it would slice the sample. Worked fine for a drumloop, not so great for instruments or vocals. For anyone who's wondering, it was almost exactly like the Motif's "audio sequencing". Kinda seems like the guys who design the variphrase stuff and the guys who design the groovebox stuff don't talk that much to each other... Guess we'll have to wait for the MC-13013 for the full time/pitch/formant variphrase stuff! -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17077098 65:HM/A=1394046/R=0/*http:/www.hgtv.com/hgtv/pac_ctnt/text/0,,HGTV_3936_5802 ,FF.html> HGTV Dream Home Giveaway <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1394046/rand=753375063> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=233351.2876045.4223503.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17077098 65:HM/A=1341247/R=0/*https:/www.gotomypc.com/tr/yh/grp/300_mapG/g22lp?Target =mm/g22lp.tmpl> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=233351.2876045.4223503.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1341247/rand=848479206> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-29 by Andre Lewis
It really depends on what you want. If you have a Command station, you allready have most of the functionality of the 909 with the exception of a sampler. If all you want is a simple sampler then you should really get an ES-1 or get a full sampler like a Yamaha A4000 or the Emu samplers all of which are going for much less. If you want to reproduce what the 909 sampler does then get an A4000 and BeatSlicer or ReCycle. Total cost $550 (ish). If you want to really manipulate audio without artifacts then it's definately worth it. I have talked with quite a few producers who swear by the VP9000 to really manipulate a vocal line, bassline, trumpets, pager sounds etc. In fact one producer even told me the vocalist didn't even realize she hadn't sung half the VP9000 tracks when she came in to listen to the comps. Andre
-----Original Message----- From: studio6512 [mailto:studio6512@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:07 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds Is it worth the money, since the MC-909 is only a couple of hundred dollars more? -----Original Message----- From: Andre Lewis [mailto:andrel@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:07 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds It's really a variphrase on steroids, and in a lot of respects it IS like a traditional sampler, in that you can play material above and below it's source key with very little noticable degradation, with formant correction. Not to mention liquid drum loops at any tempo. It holds audio internally and you have to preencode everything but there is batch processing software for it. Good enough for me :) Andre -----Original Message----- From: studio6512 [mailto:studio6512@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:41 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds But this is really not a sampler though, is it? I would like the autochop feature coupled with one of the xx7 boxes. man would that be sweet. (8o) -----Original Message----- From: Andre Lewis [mailto:andrel@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:11 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds I think the command station and one of these should do the trick: http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242 <http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242 <http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6242&Category=Synthesizers > &Category=Synthesizers > &Category=Synthesizers I'd rather keep my 505 and divy up for the variphrase by itself. Especially since they dropped a bit of the functionality from the 909. I'm not worried about the 909 soundset, I allready have it on other gear. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:21 PM To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds --- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote: > On the roland you may have to apply a slicing procedure to a sample, Ahh. Got it. I did manage to get it to do that (but then it spewed the sample over 16 notes of the drummap, but there's probably a way around that). It was automatic (sort of) in that you set a transient threshold, above which it would slice the sample. Worked fine for a drumloop, not so great for instruments or vocals. For anyone who's wondering, it was almost exactly like the Motif's "audio sequencing". Kinda seems like the guys who design the variphrase stuff and the guys who design the groovebox stuff don't talk that much to each other... Guess we'll have to wait for the MC-13013 for the full time/pitch/formant variphrase stuff! -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17077098 65:HM/A=1394046/R=0/*http:/www.hgtv.com/hgtv/pac_ctnt/text/0,,HGTV_3936_5802 ,FF.html> HGTV Dream Home Giveaway <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=241773.2861422.4212389.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1394046/rand=753375063> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=233351.2876045.4223503.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17077098 65:HM/A=1341247/R=0/*https:/www.gotomypc.com/tr/yh/grp/300_mapG/g22lp?Target =mm/g22lp.tmpl> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=233351.2876045.4223503.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1341247/rand=848479206> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-01-29 by OneSneakYmousE <onesneakymouse@onesneaky
I think it's going to be on the Fantom-S also :) --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote: > That's what I really wat to know, what's missing from the 505 to the 909 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ravi Ivan Sharma [mailto:noision1@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:27 PM > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds > > > Call it variphrase lite or whatever you want, it does timestretch on the fly > (acid like) any samples that are part of a pattern. I think this is pretty > powerful in a live situation so you can have patterns containing samples and > then sync to any band using the tap tempo button. This is the joy of a good > groovebox, but until the 909 it was impossible to do with samples. As far as I > know, you can have samples on all tracks of a pattern if you want. > > IMO that is the best thing about the 909. Unfortunately they left out megamix > and removed other features like accessible delay controls for tracks which were > good live tools on the MC909. > > Ravi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aaron Eppolito > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Roland vs. E-mu Sounds > > > --- "studio_6512 <studio6512@c...>" wrote: > > My buddy has the MC-909, I plan on getting it as a part of the > > production studio, just because the variphrase sampler is awesome. > > I played with the 909 at NAMM, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't > have variphrase. The demo guys were pretty clueless when I asked him > "How many voices of Variphrase does it do?" I got all sorts of answers > from "All of them" to "Uh, well you have 16 tracks..." to "Well, this > turntable emulation thing can slow..." > > After really working on it for a while with one of the Roland guys, it > seems that the 909's "Variphrase-like" ability comes from being able to > chop up a sample into smaller looped samples and playing them with an > arpeggiator thing. For the factory sounds, this seemed to happen > automatically. We couldn't figure out how to do it with something we > sampled. > > In any case, the sound quality was what you'd expect from slowing down > a vocal (for example) where each syllable was looped: pretty stuttery. > It sounded nothing like their Variphrase technology. Their brochure > also doesn't mention Variphrase anywhere in it either. The only thing > it does mention is the ability to timestretch *out of realtime*. > > -Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-01-29 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Ditto, the P2000 Rom has some great guitar sounds, and I'm guitar player if that means anything :) rEalm I have the mp7 and love it too. Check the Proteus rom for good acoustic samples. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-29 by ByronIV
> > None of the major retailers are really better overall for one thing or > > another (except for Yamaha when it comes to FM). > > Yamaha aren't actually better than everyone else when it comes to FM; > it's just that they control the licence of the technology. > Admittedly, yes, this is true...and I personally don't care for alot of the ways that Yamaha handles things, BUT the FS1r is indeed a monumental achievement in FM synthesis, that exceeds the boundaries that normally classify a synth as FM. Would be a hard ticket to beat if you ask me. ByronIV --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 - Release Date: 1/7/2003
2003-01-29 by Jonathan El-Bizri
--- Jonathan El-Bizri <sserendipity@...> wrote: > Am I the only person who can't stand Roland's D/A converters? Every > Roland product I've ever heard has exactly the same Roland 'bedroom > tone'. >LOL. Are you sure it's the DACs and not that "32MB when converted to >16-bit linear" crap? I don't know what their proprietary wave data >format is, but it's something less than 16 bit data. I think they use >some sort of companding with like 12 bit samples or something, and then >"emphasize" it after the fact. > >All of their synths do this (as is evidenced by the disclamer on ALL of >their wave data sizes) so that might be what you're hearing. A good >test would be to listen to one of their samplers that really do 16-bit >linear (like the sampling section of the 909, not the synth voices). Well the VG-8 guitar modellers do it too. Maybe worse than anything else they've made; it's easier to tell than on a Rompler (when I first heard a 303, I thought it was the source material). So do the V-Drums, though it's not as bad - again, probably because of the nature of the samples - all percussion, and less tone. As far as I could tell (which wasn't very much, considering the audio quality), I could even hear it on the V-Synth demo posted at H-C. Still looks like a damn nice synth, though. I think the only piece of Roland gear I've used that I couldn't conclusively hear it on was the SP-808. It doesn't do any pitch manipulation - it's just sample playback. bIz
2003-01-29 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
That's not true, it does have varispeed. Also, the sp808 uses data compression, so that's especially interesting. rEalm I think the only piece of Roland gear I've used that I couldn't conclusively hear it on was the SP-808. It doesn't do any pitch manipulation - it's just sample playback. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-29 by Jonathan El-Bizri
Sure, you >can< change the speed, as well as a number of other effects, but for the most part, it's straight sample playback. I never played with the varispeed and other stuff enough to know one way or the other, since I had a pc.
----- Original Message ----- From: erik_magrini@... To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [xl7] Roland vs. E-mu Sounds That's not true, it does have varispeed. Also, the sp808 uses data compression, so that's especially interesting. rEalm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-29 by drK
On 1/29/03 10:18 AM, "ByronIV" <byron@...> wrote: >>> None of the major retailers are really better overall for one thing or >>> another (except for Yamaha when it comes to FM). >> >> Yamaha aren't actually better than everyone else when it comes to FM; >> it's just that they control the licence of the technology. >> > > Admittedly, yes, this is true...and I personally don't care for alot of the > ways that Yamaha handles things, BUT the FS1r is indeed a monumental > achievement in FM synthesis, that exceeds the boundaries that normally > classify a synth as FM. Would be a hard ticket to beat if you ask me. > > ByronIV The time limit on the original Chowning FM patent ran out quite some time ago. So the lack of competitive offerings to Yamaha's former products has nothing to do with technology licenses. In fact the Nord Lead 3 has classic FM synthesis, and the Korg MOSS (or Z1) has a variant which is for all intents FM. Yamaha may still have some intellectual property that is current relating to how they implemented FM but the basic patents that gave Yamaha an exclusive for so long have expired. BTW, the FS1r is by far the most potent pure FM synth Yamaha ever made. Another interesting one though is the TG77. It combined mature FM synthesis, sample-playback (including as FM OSCs if I remember right) and a full subtractive synth backend (filter, EGs, etc). Also worth digging into if your a fan of FM is the FM7 for Native Instruments. drk www.delora.com/music www.mp3.com/zdrk drk.iuma.com
2003-01-29 by drK
On 1/29/03 12:47 PM, "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@...> wrote: > > --- Jonathan El-Bizri <sserendipity@...> wrote: >> Am I the only person who can't stand Roland's D/A converters? Every >> Roland product I've ever heard has exactly the same Roland 'bedroom >> tone'. > >> LOL. Are you sure it's the DACs and not that "32MB when converted to >> 16-bit linear" crap? I don't know what their proprietary wave data >> format is, but it's something less than 16 bit data. I think they use >> some sort of companding with like 12 bit samples or something, and then >> "emphasize" it after the fact. >> >> All of their synths do this (as is evidenced by the disclamer on ALL of >> their wave data sizes) so that might be what you're hearing. A good >> test would be to listen to one of their samplers that really do 16-bit >> linear (like the sampling section of the 909, not the synth voices). > > Well the VG-8 guitar modellers do it too. Maybe worse than anything else > they've made; it's easier to tell than on a Rompler (when I first heard a > 303, I thought it was the source material). So do the V-Drums, though it's > not as bad - again, probably because of the nature of the samples - all > percussion, and less tone. As far as I could tell (which wasn't very much, > considering the audio quality), I could even hear it on the V-Synth demo > posted at H-C. Still looks like a damn nice synth, though. > > I think the only piece of Roland gear I've used that I couldn't conclusively > hear it on was the SP-808. It doesn't do any pitch manipulation - it's just > sample playback. > > bIz > Sorry to but-in at a late stage in the discussion. One thing I do not hear mentioned would be the quality of Roland's sample playback engine. This would show up by artifacts in the sound when they are transposed up and down away from the root of the sample. Doing this well was one of the things Emu perfected and they hold patents on their methods, which turned out to be related to how it could be done in their chips. Maybe Roland is using a different method? While it is possible that Roland is compressing their samples I'm not sure that would account for the "Roland sound". And it is not necessarily "bad" in that pre-cooked samples (using tremendous amounts of analysis and processing to do the compression won't necessarily create a poor performing result. Shoot Kurzweil made a name for themselves in terms of sample quality with a complex compression scheme that used only 10 bits for the samples. and that was using early 1980's technology. My own personal guess is that it is a combination of their overall signal path design, including the sample playback engine, the filter, the envelopes, and the final variable AMP. There could also be a basic character to the source material itself. I doubt Roland is doing a lot of new samples. Rather there is a lot of recycling, just maybe with newer delivery. I think all of the big-boys like E-mu, Roland, Yamaha, Korg have their sound. In the end much of it is that way because that is what the perceive to be "best" - its a matter of institutional taste! drk www.delora.com/music www.mp3.com/zdrk drk.iuma.com
2003-01-30 by mikexl7 <curiousproductions@rogers.com>
I am using an E5000 with a ten gig hard disk. I loaded all ten of the basic emu sample cds on to the hard disk. I am virtualy never found stuck for a sound. The sounds are warm and thick. I produce techno electro house and soundtracks. I am talking to the extreem of having blenders and drills saws. Wind waves traffic car horns. All the organs i could ever want strings vintage synths choirs. I could never list it all. It took me about a year to get comfortable knowing what sounds that i actualy had. From there the patch cord section once you get good at using it alows for more variation than i could ever think of. I use the xl7 to sequence it. and a small rack of out borad gear to compress eq and add additional fx. This set up is working verry well for me and it fitts in to a single 10 space road case. that is just me. Roland akai yamaha and emu as well as jomox and waldorf korg all have there own sounds. And it is great to have them all laying around but when it comes to being able to switch from project to project quickly i have found this to work very well and i dont get the band in a box sound. Just one opinion for ya. Mike G --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "studio_6512 <studio6512@c...>" <studio6512@c...> wrote: > So if I want a studio with a broad range of realistic and synth type > sound, is it good to get both types of synths? I am really concerned > with having the sound tdo the job than having too much equipment, as > well as being able to completely express myself. My buddy has the > MC-909, I plan on getting it as a part of the production studio, just > because the variphrase sampler is awesome. However my expression also > involves great reproduction of real instruments as well. So if anyone > has anymore opinions of the sounds, I would greatly appreciate it. > > BTW, I thought Roland = Electronic and E-mu= real instruments... > > (8o) > > Mark > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > Emu - Electronic. > > Roland - real instruments. > > > > Just my opinion of course, and that certainly does not mean they > both > > can't do it all well. > > > > rEalm > > > > > > > > > > > > "studio_6512 <studio6512@c...>" <studio6512 > > 01/28/2003 11:38 AM > > Please respond to xl7 > > > > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > cc: > > Subject: [xl7] Roland vs. E-mu Sounds > > > > > > Which one is better for real instrument sound reproduction, and > which > > one is better for electronic sounds? I am thinking of getting both
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2003-01-30 by stevenlebeau <stevenlebeau@yahoo.com>
> result. Shoot Kurzweil made a name for themselves in terms of sample > quality with a complex compression scheme that used only 10 bits for the > samples. and that was using early 1980's technology. FYI--The Kurzweil synths (K250, K2000 series, etc.) use dynamic compression/expansion, not perceptual audio encoding (such as mp3, ogg, or the 'data reduction' scheme used by roland). -Steven
2003-01-31 by kacy.rayburn@kmzr.com
Would the Roland VP9000 Variphrase Sampler be a good compliment to the MP-7? If not, could you explain, before I make this $900 investment. Thank you ___________________________ Kacy L. Rayburn Litigation Paralegal Katten Muchin Zavis Rosenman 525 W. Monroe Street, Suite 1600 Chicago, IL 60661-3693 312.577.8510 Direct 312.577.4671 Fax Kacy.Rayburn@... =========================================================== Important: This electronic mail message and any attached files contain information intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any viewing, copying, disclosure or distribution of this information may be subject to legal restriction or sanction. Please notify the sender, by electronic mail or telephone, of any unintended recipients and delete the original message without making any copies. ===========================================================
2003-01-31 by David
The vp9000's have actually been discontinued. THey were quite a failiar for Roland. You can still get them, but just to let you know that their production has been cut off... ----- Original Message -----
From: <kacy.rayburn@...> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [xl7] Roland vs. E-mu Sounds > > > Would the Roland VP9000 Variphrase Sampler be a good compliment to the > MP-7? If not, could you explain, before I make this $900 investment. > > Thank you > ___________________________ > Kacy L. Rayburn > Litigation Paralegal > Katten Muchin Zavis Rosenman > 525 W. Monroe Street, Suite 1600 > Chicago, IL 60661-3693 > 312.577.8510 Direct > 312.577.4671 Fax > Kacy.Rayburn@... > > > > > > =========================================================== > > Important: > This electronic mail message and any attached files contain information > intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed and may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, > confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you > are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any viewing, > copying, disclosure or distribution of this information may be subject to > legal restriction or sanction. Please notify the sender, by electronic > mail or telephone, of any unintended recipients and delete the original > message without making any copies. > > =========================================================== > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >
2003-01-31 by kacy.rayburn@kmzr.com
Well I understand that every producer should have at least one sampler in their arsenal. What are you all views regarding the Emu E5000 Ultra Class Sampler? The one thing I seem to understand just a little bit is that it can make sound roms for my MP-7, but what other features make an attractive buy and I noticed it's $50 less than the Roland VP9000. ___________________________ Kacy L. Rayburn Litigation Paralegal Katten Muchin Zavis Rosenman 525 W. Monroe Street, Suite 1600 Chicago, IL 60661-3693 312.577.8510 Direct 312.577.4671 Fax Kacy.Rayburn@... =========================================================== Important: This electronic mail message and any attached files contain information intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any viewing, copying, disclosure or distribution of this information may be subject to legal restriction or sanction. Please notify the sender, by electronic mail or telephone, of any unintended recipients and delete the original message without making any copies. ===========================================================
2003-01-31 by Jonathan El-Bizri
I was demoing one for a while at my work, and all I can say is that it's not much of a compliment to anything. It's one of those production tools designed for people who are superstitious around computers, and consequently don't know that faster, easier and cheaper methods have been available for a while. (All the while, it's designed to work >in conjunction< with DAW based editing.) Not much of a live tool, or instrument, even though it calls itself a sampler. If you need to do time stretching, I'd use Prosoniq's Time Factory software instead - I didn't find the Variphrase to be any better. About the only function that I couldn't duplicate elsewhere was the 'shuffle' function, where you can take a loop, and convert the 8th notes to triplets. It's a neat trick, and shows what the technology >would< be capable of, but I can't really envision using it for anything. bIz
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Would the Roland VP9000 Variphrase Sampler be a good compliment to the
MP-7? If not, could you explain, before I make this $900 investment.
Thank you
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-01-31 by Jonathan El-Bizri
>Well I understand that every producer should have at least one sampler in >their arsenal. What are you all views regarding the Emu E5000 Ultra Class >Sampler? The one thing I seem to understand just a little bit is that it >can make sound roms for my MP-7, but what other features make an attractive >buy and I noticed it's $50 less than the Roland VP9000. Unless you need to perform live, go software - you'll never look back. Hardware samplers are slow and cumbersome to use by comparison, not to mention expensive and hard to update. The VP9000 is >not< a substitute for a sampler - it's a completly different beast. bIz
2003-01-31 by Jonathan El-Bizri
>Would the Roland VP9000 Variphrase Sampler be a good compliment to the >MP-7? If not, could you explain, before I make this $900 investment. To prevent any confusion - the red VariOS being demo'd on H-C >isn't< the VP9000. The VariOS isn't in stores yet. bIz
2003-01-31 by Andre Lewis
As Jonathan mentions, it isn't really a sampler per se. It's more like a phrase sampler and can do some really impressive things within an ocatave and a half of the original solo material. It can do realtime tempo changes and a good job at pitch shifting with formant correction to let you make changes to a phrases pitch realtime with a keyboard including harmonizing. Pro's, lets you get funky with solo sounds and drum beats, samples fit nicely on a zip disk so you can swap out during a performance and make backups etc. Cons, well you can only play four different samples at a time and since it's streaming from a zipdisk you can actually overload it and get it to stutter. You also have to encode before hand and although you can do it on the box, it's faster to use the roland software (I believe you ave to pay for it) to batch encode them on your computer. Also the pitch changes with formant work best on material within an octave or two of the original material, and doesn't work very well if it's not a solo instrument. So what on earth do people use it for? Mostly vocal lines, harmonies, horns, mostly solo instruments. The timestretching is great but you can do that with a cheap copy of Acid, and if you have a normal sampler you can chop it up with BeatSlicer or ReCycle etc and then apply swing to the midi afterwards. The pitchshifting can be done basically in Acid or the software Jonathan mentions. But the VP9000 lets you play it realtime and it does sound good within that range, it can be very natural. Is it overpriced? Well yes, but the sucker was originally $2500!!!! For four samples at a time! Do you need one? It's NOT a sampler, more like a phrase sampler. If all you want is a phrase sampler pick up an SP808 and an internal Zip250. If you want to make whole instruments and don't give a damn about vocals or making it sound like the original sample, then get a sampler. Whoops I seem to be posting a little bit too much... Andre
2003-02-01 by drK
On 1/30/03 2:51 PM, "stevenlebeau <stevenlebeau@...>" <stevenlebeau@...> wrote: > FYI--The Kurzweil synths (K250, K2000 series, etc.) use dynamic > compression/expansion, not perceptual audio encoding (such as mp3, > ogg, or the 'data reduction' scheme used by roland). > > -Steven yeah I knew that but it would have been hard to explain it in a short number of words which is why I left it as "a complex..." drK