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do you think that since the mp-7 is discontinued that it might be 
possible for emu to give me the source code for the command stations?
do you think theyd just laugh in my face? would they give it to me for 
money?

You could always try, the most they could say is no.  But you need to talk
to the right people/person with a clear intent on purpose (experimental,
school. etc).   Annotated source code would save weeks of time of reverse
engineering.  You can also extract and reverse the code from the updates.
This would not be annotated.  In either case, you will need a
compiler/debugger application for the microprocessor used.  Otherwise it
will be trial and error with one and a half eyes closed (I have written
embedded code before).

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA


----- Original Message -----

From: "malik" <malik_martin@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: [xl7] What are my chances of getting the source code for the mp-7?


> do you think that since the mp-7 is discontinued that it might be
> possible for emu to give me the source code for the command stations?
> do you think theyd just laugh in my face? would they give it to me for
> money?
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well i already emailed them. those are some things to remember 
mentioning if im fortunate enough to get a reply..
thanks bob.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@e...> wrote:
> You could always try, the most they could say is no.  But you need 
to talk
> to the right people/person with a clear intent on purpose 
(experimental,
> school. etc).   Annotated source code would save weeks of time of 
reverse
> engineering.  You can also extract and reverse the code from the 
updates.
> This would not be annotated.  In either case, you will need a
> compiler/debugger application for the microprocessor used.  
Otherwise it
> will be trial and error with one and a half eyes closed (I have 
written
> embedded code before).
> 
> Bob
> Corona/Riverside, CA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "malik" <malik_martin@h...>
> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:21 AM
> Subject: [xl7] What are my chances of getting the source code for 
the mp-7?
> 
> 
> > do you think that since the mp-7 is discontinued that it might be
> > possible for emu to give me the source code for the command 
stations?
> > do you think theyd just laugh in my face? would they give it to 
me for

> > money?
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The chances?  None.

If you wanted to pay, be prepared to offer something tantamount to ~20
man years of work.  Just because a product is discontinued doesn't mean
that the IP contained is no longer used or is no longer a competative
advantage.

That said, what would you want to do with it anyway?  Without
specialized hardware and *very* expensive compilers/dev systems, you
wouldn't be able to use with it.

If you've got specific questions about how something works in the
software, feel free to ask, and if it's something that is okay to
share, I will...

-Aaron

--- malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:

> do you think that since the mp-7 is discontinued that it might be 
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I'd like to work in the os i think. and maybe make it easier for you 
to reach the options in the multisetups. since i'm kinda slow as you 
guys know and am still working my head around sysex like steve the 
composer is using. also accessing grid mode while the emu is playing 
and not having to stop it would be so nice.

also for reapairs. my emu acts up sometimes with these stop/play 
freezes and the right channle on the main out doesnt seem to be 
working either...(and  i still cant use the gate function in grid 
mode..)

i have a few more ideas i think. but i just dont have em in the 
front of my mind right now and cant recall them.

when i got the command station i got it mainly as a controller. and 
am so impressed at what it can do with midi. but at the same time 
with all the features, the lack of a few that i feal practical is 
disapointing.

in either case it's still a great machine and shouldnt be 
discontinued.


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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> The chances?  None.
> 
> If you wanted to pay, be prepared to offer something tantamount to 
~20
> man years of work.  Just because a product is discontinued doesn't 
mean
> that the IP contained is no longer used or is no longer a 
competative
> advantage.
> 
> That said, what would you want to do with it anyway?  Without
> specialized hardware and *very* expensive compilers/dev systems, 
you
> wouldn't be able to use with it.
> 
> If you've got specific questions about how something works in the
> software, feel free to ask, and if it's something that is okay to
> share, I will...
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> --- malik <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> > do you think that since the mp-7 is discontinued that it might 
be 
> > possible for emu to give me the source code for the command 
stations?
> > do you think theyd just laugh in my face? would they give it to 
me
> > for 
> > money?
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I don't think you really want to mess around with the OS. (I could be 
wrong.) What do you want to do with multisetups?  --Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> I'd like to work in the os i think. and maybe make it easier for you 
> to reach the options in the multisetups.

for now just the same stuff we were talking about before. i just 
havent managed to figure it out yet since my sequencer wont send sysex 
on its own(flstudio) was gonna do it in midi-ox or keykit. but havent 
actualy gotten alll the way around to trying yet. i might be afraid of 
experimenting....

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> I don't think you really want to mess around with the OS. (I could 
be 
> wrong.) What do you want to do with multisetups?  --Steve
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > I'd like to work in the os i think. and maybe make it easier for 
you 
> > to reach the options in the multisetups.

Do you know PatchPro? (http://members.aol.com/caldor2004/patchpro/)
Ok, I know it's not the OS, only a patch editor for EMU proteus family, 
but that guy who wrote that utility, must be an expert of the EMU 
software and sysex background. Maybe he can help you.
(You can find his email address at that URL.)


a

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, malik wrote:

> for now just the same stuff we were talking about before. i just
> havent managed to figure it out yet since my sequencer wont send sysex
> on its own(flstudio) was gonna do it in midi-ox or keykit. but havent
> actualy gotten alll the way around to trying yet. i might be afraid of
> experimenting....
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
>> I don't think you really want to mess around with the OS. (I could
> be
>> wrong.) What do you want to do with multisetups?  --Steve
>>
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
>>> I'd like to work in the os i think. and maybe make it easier for
> you
>>> to reach the options in the multisetups.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:
> I'd like to work in the os i think. and maybe make it easier for you 
> to reach the options in the multisetups. since i'm kinda slow as you 
> guys know and am still working my head around sysex like steve the 
> composer is using.

I'd stick with trying to learn sysex first.  Programming's hard,
especially embedded systems.

> also accessing grid mode while the emu is playing 
> and not having to stop it would be so nice.

Maybe instead of the source code, you need the 2.0 manual.  =)
Hold Play and press Rec to get into grid mode while playing...

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cool i guess i didnt look through the 2.0 part that much :)
sorry about htat. any ideas about my main outs messing up? i only 
seem to  get the right channel will try a few more experiments to 
make sure though...


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> --- malik <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > I'd like to work in the os i think. and maybe make it easier for 
you 
> > to reach the options in the multisetups. since i'm kinda slow as 
you 
> > guys know and am still working my head around sysex like steve 
the 

> > composer is using.
> 
> I'd stick with trying to learn sysex first.  Programming's hard,
> especially embedded systems.
> 
> > also accessing grid mode while the emu is playing 
> > and not having to stop it would be so nice.
> 
> Maybe instead of the source code, you need the 2.0 manual.  =)
> Hold Play and press Rec to get into grid mode while playing...
> 
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