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Quick update

1999-10-29 by Paul Schreiber

First, I want to thank everyone for being loyal customers! This year has
exceeded projections,
and I don't have to send Barlow the Suber Reverb amp as scrap for $2/lb.

The downside is that I'm falling behind: I'm about 8 days behind where I'd
hope to be.
Also, with holidays looming and kids out of school *10 days* in Nov (good
grief) it looks like
the '320, the '440, and a surprise (hee hee) will constitute the shipments
of *new* stuff
for the year. I will get 2U, 1U, and new end panels sent off to the shop
next week, so
those will be ready to ship around Nov. 20th. Other non-MOTM commitments
will delay the mixer, preamp, and
envelope follower to early 1st quarter next year. But that project should be
over for 8 months at least (whew!).

However, new MOTM members trickle in each week. The next milestone is
customer #100/module #1000
(curious to see which one gets there first). Currently around customer #77,
and after next week module #600.
I am betting (with zero data to back me, just gut feel) that this is about
what Polyfusion or Aries
shipped in their lifetime. So, I suppose MOTM is as 'legitimate' as they
are! Just lower profile!

On that note, Mark Vail called and wants to include MOTM/CEM/general poop on
Synthesis Tech in the 2nd edition
of "Vintage Synthesizers" coming out next spring. After 1.045ns of thought I
agreed. I'll also be in the
Synergy section (so WC can call me if Stoney Stockell is busy :) )

I do plan to get a digital camera by the end of the year and will have, for
each module, an on-line
color step-by-step assembly guide! So you can comment on my soldering and
technique :) This should
help explain stuff, because drawing and figures are time-consuming to put in
the printed manuals and
the photos are more pretty anyway.

Got to run, have 4 fairly large all-assembled systems shipping next week.
And to think 1 roll of solder *used* to
last me 3 years. I've gone through 17 rolls this year!

Paul S.

RE: Quick update

1999-10-29 by Tkacs, Ken

Lower profile? Could have fooled my wife! With my MOTM stuff strewn all
about and color laser prints of panels from the web site on every
end-table...

Here's a question that might sound bizarre-which kits do you have *most* of
in stock? Just thinking ahead to my next module purchases-I need a lot of
stuff, so I might as well garb some things that you have plenty of ready to
ship during these hectic times.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]

I am betting (with zero data to back me, just gut feel) that
this is about
what Polyfusion or Aries
shipped in their lifetime. So, I suppose MOTM is as
'legitimate' as they
are! Just lower profile!

Re: Quick update

1999-10-29 by Zsolt Homlokos

Paul Schreiber schrieb:

> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> First, I want to thank everyone for being loyal customers! This year has
> exceeded projections,
> and I don't have to send Barlow the Suber Reverb amp as scrap for $2/lb.
>
> The downside is that I'm falling behind: I'm about 8 days behind where I'd
> hope to be.
> Also, with holidays looming and kids out of school *10 days* in Nov (good
> grief) it looks like
> the '320, the '440, and a surprise (hee hee) will constitute the shipments
> of *new* stuff
> for the year. I will get 2U, 1U, and new end panels sent off to the shop
> next week, so
> those will be ready to ship around Nov. 20th. Other non-MOTM commitments
> will delay the mixer, preamp, and
> envelope follower to early 1st quarter next year. But that project should be
> over for 8 months at least (whew!).
>
> However, new MOTM members trickle in each week. The next milestone is
> customer #100/module #1000
> (curious to see which one gets there first). Currently around customer #77,
> and after next week module #600.
> I am betting (with zero data to back me, just gut feel) that this is about
> what Polyfusion or Aries
> shipped in their lifetime. So, I suppose MOTM is as 'legitimate' as they
> are! Just lower profile!
>
> On that note, Mark Vail called and wants to include MOTM/CEM/general poop on
> Synthesis Tech in the 2nd edition
> of "Vintage Synthesizers" coming out next spring. After 1.045ns of thought I
> agreed. I'll also be in the
> Synergy section (so WC can call me if Stoney Stockell is busy :) )
>
> I do plan to get a digital camera by the end of the year and will have, for
> each module, an on-line
> color step-by-step assembly guide! So you can comment on my soldering and
> technique :) This should
> help explain stuff, because drawing and figures are time-consuming to put in
> the printed manuals and
> the photos are more pretty anyway.
>
> Got to run, have 4 fairly large all-assembled systems shipping next week.
> And to think 1 roll of solder *used* to
> last me 3 years. I've gone through 17 rolls this year!
>
> Paul S.
>
>

one question Paul:
are you running this business all alone?i mean do you do the packing and
soldering
all yourself?if yes ...respect ,if not...respect.
Zsolt

Re: Quick update

1999-10-29 by Paul Schreiber

Well, there is 1 full-time person, me. I have 4 people (via Internet) that
do design work (to various degrees). Of course, pcb/sheet metal fab
all done outside. But all the kitting up is just little old me (:

Paul S.

Re: Quick update

1999-10-30 by JWBarlow@xxx.xxx

In a message dated 10/28/99 9:19:57 PM, synth1@... writes:

>First, I want to thank everyone for being loyal customers! This year has
>exceeded projections,
>and I don't have to send Barlow the Suber Reverb amp as scrap for $2/lb.

DAMN! But promise me that the next time you get an old black face Super
that's been hacked in to a small head you'll send it on to me.

>the '320, the '440, and a surprise (hee hee) will constitute the shipments
>of *new* stuff
>for the year. I will get 2U, 1U, and new end panels sent off to the shop
>next week

I've got a good guess!

>However, new MOTM members trickle in each week. The next milestone is
>customer #100/module #1000
>(curious to see which one gets there first). Currently around customer
>#77,
>and after next week module #600.

I was blown away by all the people on the list who posted on that demography
thread (I remember when it was just Larry, Dave and me) -- I was gonna post
my faves and gear stuff, but I listen to so many different kinds of things,
and use so many different instruments the lists would be quite long and not
add much to what's already out there. I did enjoy seeing the breadth of what
MOTM users like and what they use.

>I am betting (with zero data to back me, just gut feel) that this is about
>what Polyfusion or Aries
>shipped in their lifetime. So, I suppose MOTM is as 'legitimate' as they
>are! Just lower profile!

Well, you probably know this, but when I first decided to build some stuff
(about 83) I wrote to the Aries address from the back of the Klein book, and
apparently they were already gone.

Oscillator alligator,
JB

Re: Quick update

1999-10-30 by J. Larry Hendry

> From: JWBarlow@...
> I was blown away by all the people on the list who posted on that

demography

> thread (I remember when it was just Larry, Dave and me) -- I was gonna

post

> my faves and gear stuff, but I listen to so many different kinds of

things,

> and use so many different instruments the lists would be quite long and

not

> add much to what's already out there. I did enjoy seeing the breadth of

what

> MOTM users like and what they use.

I think the diversity is great. Better than JUST a bunch of stooges. I
realized how diverse it was when about 1/2.... err... OK, 2/3 of the stuff
that people are listening too I have never even heard.
:) Larry (been living in a shell, but just ordered the new Wendy Carlos
box set remix of the old stuff) Hendry

Re: Quick update

1999-10-31 by JWBarlow@xxx.xxx

In a message dated 10/29/99 8:32:18 PM, jlarryh@... writes:

>I think the diversity is great. Better than JUST a bunch of stooges.
> I
>realized how diverse it was when about 1/2.... err... OK, 2/3 of the stuff
>that people are listening too I have never even heard.
>:) Larry (been living in a shell, but just ordered the new Wendy Carlos
>box set remix of the old stuff) Hendry

Hey Larry!

There's been a lot of talk about Subotnick on the list lately and I was
wondering if you'd ever heard of him? I've always been sort of ambivalent
about W. Carlos stuff. I do like Bach, and heard the album Switched On Bach
when it first came out (and liked it). But in a lot of ways it kind of
reminds me of Ferente and Ticher (sp?) and Esquivel for classical music fans!
Subotnick quickly started adding non-electronic instruments to his
recordings, but his early (late 60s) recordings like "Silver Apples of the
Moon" "The Wild Bull" and "Touch" show how EM can be used in non-traditional
ways to generate music. Maybe others can list a few pieces of EM that show
different approaches to music which might not be that be well known!

BTW, I was looking at Kev's site and saw the rear picture of a slanted Moog
cabinet and noticed that between the two rows there is a supporting piece of
wood -- BUMMER! See it here:

http://www.synthfool.com/inside.jpg

JB

Re: Quick update

1999-10-31 by DAVEVOSH@xxx.xxx

In a message dated 99-10-31 12:29:13 EST, you write:

<< Subotnick quickly started adding non-electronic instruments to his
recordings, but his early (late 60s) recordings like "Silver Apples of the
Moon" "The Wild Bull" and "Touch" show how EM can be used in non-traditional
ways to generate music. Maybe others can list a few pieces of EM that show
different approaches to music which might not be that be well known! >>

in that same sort of vein, douglas leedy`s "entropical paradise" is a great
b***** record. for non-synthesizer e.m., IMHO, stockhausen`s "kontakte" and
"gesang der jungeling" ( song of youths ) are two of the finest pieces ever
done ( both from the late 50`s/early sixties ). there were lots of neat e.m.
records ( remember those ? ) out in the sixties......the 2 columbia princeton
records had many pieces, mostly in a "classical" e.m. style that were very
good. varese`s "poem electronique", composed as the sound enviroment to a
building at a worlds fair is pretty amazing.
best,
dave

Re: Quick update

1999-11-01 by JWBarlow@xxx.xxx

In a message dated 10/31/99 4:06:51 PM, DAVEVOSH@... writes:

>in that same sort of vein, douglas leedy`s "entropical paradise" is a great
>b***** record. for non-synthesizer e.m., IMHO, stockhausen`s "kontakte"
>and
>"gesang der jungeling" ( song of youths ) are two of the finest pieces
>ever
>done ( both from the late 50`s/early sixties ). there were lots of neat
>e.m.
>records ( remember those ? ) out in the sixties......the 2 columbia princeton
>records had many pieces, mostly in a "classical" e.m. style that were very
>good. varese`s "poem electronique", composed as the sound enviroment to
>a
>building at a worlds fair is pretty amazing.

I'm sure I remember really liking the Leedy piece, but I don't think I have
it. I also really like the Stockhausen pieces you mention as well as "Hymnen"
which uses a lot of short-wave broadcasts. I recently got a double CD called
"Varese: The Complete Works" which has a great "version" of Poeme
Electronique -- I haven't checked the versions of this that I have on LP, but
I don't recall such an intense stereo image. as I listened to it, I was
wondering if it had previously been issued in mono due to the weird
performance/realiztion dictated by the Phillip's Pavilion (was it 127
speakers scattered throughout the building? maybe an 8 track tape? -- I
believe Xenakis worked with LeCorbusier on this as well, and had some music
that was played at the Pavilion too).

JB

Re: Quick update

1999-11-01 by J. Larry Hendry

> From: JWBarlow@...
>
> BTW, I was looking at Kev's site and saw the rear picture of a slanted

Moog

> cabinet and noticed that between the two rows there is a supporting piece

> wood -- BUMMER! See it here:
>
> http://www.synthfool.com/inside.jpg

I think this is because the IS NO metal. I think the wood is not needed if
you have the right metal combination. However, wood is certainly an idea
if you don't want a magic bus. You could drill holes and put in those
threaded inserts with the retaining rings that bite in to the wood. I saw
them at the hardware store for about 17 cents each. That would be much
cheaper than a metal rail anyway. Hell, you could use pan head wood or
sheet metal screws. ha ha. However, I think the metal we have been
discussing is the strongest and most versatile way to go.

LH

Re: Quick update

1999-11-01 by DAVEVOSH@xxx.xxx

In a message dated 99-10-31 19:09:41 EST, you write:

<< I also really like the Stockhausen pieces you mention as well as "Hymnen"
which uses a lot of short-wave broadcasts. >>

john,
i have most of stockhausens recorded output. he`s sort of my personal e.m.
idol. yeah, "hymnen" is great. "telemusik", "kurzwellen" ( shortwaves), etc.,
all first rate.
varese is really good,too. i have an old collected works 2 lp set that has a
nice version of "deserts" on it with the e.m. inserts recorded at columbia
princeton. xenakis piece was the foyer entry music to the pavillion. i
haven`t heard any of his more recent work emanating from CEMAMU in france but
have an lp of his older electroacoutic tape music which has some good stuff.
yeah, a reissue of varese stuff might certainly have been remastered. i don`t
know what format the original tapes for the multispeaker projection system
used. the lp i have has a stereo mix. i do recall that the e.m. was recorded
at the phillips facility in the netherlands, later to become the core of the
studio in utrecht, now moved to the hague. the utrecht studio put out a 4
record set that had a lot of very varied electroacoustic and electronic music
on it. some of it was very intense.
best,
dave

Quick update

2001-06-05 by Paul Schreiber

1) Out of VCO kits. After the '830 kits (first batch of 30) are done
(Thursday), we will kit up 24 VCOs. This
will take us until June 17th (over 3300 parts to mess with). So, those of
you with VCOs on order sit
tight and finish your chores around the house.

2) The '830 kit is the first to have ever-so-slightly larger panel holes for
the blue Bourns pots. This should
eliminate the need to scrape paint out of the holes when the fit is too
tight. As I run out of existing stock, I will
order new panels with the larger holes (this includes the '800).

3) Shane will graduate and take a tech position at Bell Helicopter. His last
day is the 18th. He is working on
'420s and '410 assembled modules. I can probably squeeze a couple of '800s
out before he gets a 'real' job.
If you ordered an assembled module since Thanksgiving, he has done all of
the pcb soldering (I still do
the panel wiring). Jeremy will stay on until mid-July, kitting up with Angie
helping some. It still looks like
the kit backlog will fall to zero (a point it has not been since March of
last year!) around June 24th. I will
be happy and sad. Don't worry, there are plenty of assembled orders left, as
well as R&D time for all these
supposedly new modules shipping.

4) Several have asked about the MOTM-310 uVCO. It will probably come down to
a vote between it
and the Envelope Follower (NOT NOW!) in terms of which comes out first.
Just something to ponder.

Paul S.

RE: Quick update

2001-06-05 by mate_stubb@yahoo.com

Also sprach Paul:

>>>>

Several have asked about the MOTM-310 uVCO. It will probably come
down to a vote between it and the Envelope Follower (NOT NOW!) in
terms of which comes out first. Just something to ponder.
<<<<

For those newer to the list, and for those who don't remember where
the design of the MOTM-310 left off when last we haggled over it:

http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveb2/images/m310r2.jpg

Moe

uVCO Features (was: Quick update)

2001-06-05 by jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com

I would cast a strong vote for CV control over variable waveshape
(saw>tri>pulse) over FM on that module.

My reasoning:

1.) You've got FM on the 300 VCO.

2.) Unless I'm missing something there's no way to smoothly vary the
waveshape on the 300 even w/ other current modules. I suppose you
could use the 700 VC Router but then you're simply switching between
one shape or the other - not smoothly transitioning between the two.
The 830 mixer doesn't give you CV control over the various output
levels so you can't go that route either.

Can someone supply a URL to find the past 310 discussions? I
searched on MicroVCO, uVCO, and MOTM-310 and only turned up a couple
entries.

Thanks,

JP

>
> For those newer to the list, and for those who don't remember where
> the design of the MOTM-310 left off when last we haggled over it:
>
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveb2/images/m310r2.jpg
>
> Moe

Re: [motm] uVCO Features (was: Quick update)

2001-06-05 by Paul Schreiber

"Smoothly CV control over waveshape" is non-trival. It would add 40% to the
cost, and the whole
point of the '310 is a low cost VCO.

Paul S.

> I would cast a strong vote for CV control over variable waveshape
> (saw>tri>pulse) over FM on that module.

Re: [motm] uVCO Features (was: Quick update)

2001-06-05 by mark@indole.net

At 4:44 AM +0000 06/05/01, mate_stubb@... wrote:

>
>For those newer to the list, and for those who don't remember where
>the design of the MOTM-310 left off when last we haggled over it:
>
>http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveb2/images/m310r2.jpg

I had heard it had saw and square outputs, which seems more practical for a
"second" VCO. Don't get me wrong, I love triangle waves for bass patches,
but square and saw seem more useful for driving other modules. Anyway, the
SHAPE knob seems to be labeled "SOU" and "SAW".

What the heck is a "SOU"??

At 2:18 PM +0000 06/05/01, jpotter2@... wrote:

>
>I would cast a strong vote for CV control over variable waveshape
>(saw>tri>pulse) over FM on that module.
>
>My reasoning:
>
>1.) You've got FM on the 300 VCO.

Yes, but if you want to add a mod source (like tremolo) to both the 300 and
310, you would need a very accurate DC mixer to control the 310 (to mix the
note CV and mod signal) if it did not have an FM input.

>2.) Unless I'm missing something there's no way to smoothly vary the
>waveshape on the 300 even w/ other current modules.

The 320 has VC waveshaping, and the 820 Lag Processor is VC and can process
audio (although I am yet to explore that area). You can also use two VCA's
to crossfade between two different waveforms. The Mini-Wave is a
third-party VC wavetable module that seems promising. Regardless, Paul has
announced that there are two motm waveshapers on the drawing board.

Re: [motm] uVCO Features (was: Quick update)

2001-06-05 by J. Larry Hendry

Looks like SQU to me (square).

----- Original Message -----
From: <mark@...>
I had heard it had saw and square outputs, which seems more practical for a
"second" VCO. Don't get me wrong, I love triangle waves for bass patches,
but square and saw seem more useful for driving other modules. Anyway, the
SHAPE knob seems to be labeled "SOU" and "SAW".

What the heck is a "SOU"??

Re: uVCO Features (was: Quick update)

2001-06-05 by Mike Marsh

I like the layout and the suggested variable waveform. I would be
willing to spend extra for the VCO, since a very important aspect to
me is the 1U size. FM is good, keep it too!

--- In motm@y..., "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> "Smoothly CV control over waveshape" is non-trival. It would add
40% to the
> cost, and the whole
> point of the '310 is a low cost VCO.
>
> Paul S.

Re: [motm] Re: uVCO Features (was: Quick update)

2001-06-06 by Tony Allgood

The little Micromoog has a nice sweepable waveform change from saw to
pulse. Its easy circuitry, although it is based on a saw VCO. Voltage
controlled too.

Regards,

Tony Allgood Penrith, Cumbria, England

Oakley Modular Synth and TB3030:
www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm
My music: www.mp3.com/taklamakan

Re: uVCO Features (was: Quick update)

2001-06-06 by jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com

Yep - The Micro is exactly what I was thinking of...

JP

--- In motm@y..., "Tony Allgood" <oakley@t...> wrote:
> The little Micromoog has a nice sweepable waveform change from saw
to
> pulse. Its easy circuitry, although it is based on a saw VCO.
Voltage
> controlled too.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony Allgood Penrith, Cumbria, England
>
> Oakley Modular Synth and TB3030:
> www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm
> My music: www.mp3.com/taklamakan

Quick update

2002-10-27 by Paul Schreiber

a) low or out of most kits at this time. I will start re-stocking later in the week, because....

b) have been working on the pcb layouts of the HW/SW "development platforms" for the '600 and
'650. These are going to fab by Wednesday.

c) I did get 100 of the WaveWarper switches in from the UK and this week will have 'official'
ones made. The front panels for the WaveWarper and Cloud Generator are in fab. I am rushing to
get a "press kit" together for sending to the magazines to make the Feb. issues, which is
distributed at NAMM. The generic MOTM ad is in this month's Keyboard, pg. 114.

Hang in there, I *will* ship your orders out. But I have to do all this work now so that NAMM and
the following months have new toys in the window to attract passers-by. I do make a point to ship
*something* every single day.

Paul S.

Quick update

2004-02-20 by Paul Schreiber

1) 3 assembled MOTM-510 WaveWarpers are deployed. No manual :)

2) Just finished prepping 1400 jacks. Attention not turns to 200 switches and
600 pots. Expect this to be finished by next Wednesday. THEN....I can start
rekitting, in order:

MOTM-800
MOTM-190
MOTM-310
MOTM-300
MOTM-510
MOTM-101
everything else

It takes 5-7 hours to rekit a module *except* the VCOs, which take about 10
hours. So, kits going out the door 1st week of March.

3) Currently soldering up 12 MOTM-440 pc boards (70% done). After this batch, in
order:

MOTM-800s
MOTM-101s
MOTM-310s
MOTM-300s
everything else

I "stopped" for a few days to finish up the '510s and start on the manual (on
CD-ROM).

4) I recall some of you have professional CD duplicators (or access to one).
Email privately.

5) Robert Rich is torture-testing MIDI-CV prototype. Also, he's recording a 100%
improvised, all piano CD. Don't forget, his live tour CD "Calling Down the Sky"
is for sale (www.robertrich.com). Anybody get it? Comments?

Paul S.

Quick update

2004-08-18 by Paul Schreiber

Shipping the last 2 weeks has dropped somewhat due to school starting here
(early....I used to start the day after Labor Day). But now that's behind me (my
son enters Junior High which here is grade 6) and I'm going to ship what's left
of the kits/panels I have in stock. The new batch of panels (over 600 of them!)
are due in 1 week. I say *due* (ask Stooge Larry what the probability of a "due
date" in the steel metal industry is).

Next week I'll have annual helper Charles Stella in the shop for assistance. He
and wife unit will kit up the '510s and he will solder some VCOs and EGs
(opposite ends of the spectrum, there). All of the '510 pre-kitting has been
done as of today, so it's "turn the crank" time. I'll ship the V1.0 CD-ROM
manual off to the zapper early next week.

PCBs for the '480 and '485 due in *tomorrow*, so there is lots of stuff here at
my end to do. Plus prototype pcb for the VC Pulse Divider due Friday (Old Crow
blowing dust off of the PIC code as we speak).

Break over (ran out of Fig Newtons).

Paul S.

Quick update

2004-11-22 by Paul Schreiber

I'm going to be "out of pocket" most of this coming week. So, don't get the
'email jitters' when you don't get a response in 15min :) And no, it's not
because of HL2 :)

The pacing item(s) for wrapping up MOTM kit deliveries for 2004 will be front
panels. They are on order from the 2 suppliers, but won't be in until around
Dec. 11th. We will ship all we can, I didn't want to ship 'partials' but I have
to *pay* for all these other parts so some orders will be in 2 or 3 shipments.
Next week I will have some 300/310 kits ready, then I will ship some 480/485s
(still have to right the manuals, though....argh....).

I haven't had any "Christmas present" request yet! If you want modules under the
tree, now is the time.

I should have MOTM-960s at the end of the week (been out for a month, had to
change suppliers).

Paul S.

Quick update

2006-02-18 by Paul Schreiber

I received 2 of the 4 blank pc boards today for the MIDI-CV. Board #3 is due
Wednesday and Board #4 Friday (week from today). I will then gather the whole
mess up and take to the board house. So, March 15th to *begin* shipping is still
looking good. I plan to ship 20 a week until all orders shipped (I think there
are like 64 on order, somewhere around that).

We are still experiencing delays (insert surprised look) on sheet metal. For the
Frac panels, I am switching to a local vendor. Maybe someone, somewhere, can
punch 9 holes in a flat plate of metal and paint it in less than 9 weeks. You
would think :(

Speaking of Frac, I am laying out the last 3 modules (WaveWarper/VCO/Bandpass)
this coming week. Still looking like first week of April shipping from Analog
Haven. I will upload the PDF brochure if I can find the file.

I'm about done making up '300 VCO kits. People waiting should see happy emails
around Feb. 24th.

Paul S.

gate processor preview

2006-02-21 by Scott Juskiw

I got the prototype of my dual gate processor finished today. Thought
I'd share this preview image:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/preview.jpg

No docs or schematics yet, that will come in March, but a preliminary
description can be found here:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/TLN-866.html

Re: gate processor preview

2006-02-21 by Mike Marsh

Hey Scott -

This looks really good. # MUUBs to build, right? Just what the
doctor ordered...

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> I got the prototype of my dual gate processor finished today. Thought
> I'd share this preview image:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/preview.jpg
>
> No docs or schematics yet, that will come in March, but a preliminary
> description can be found here:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/TLN-866.html
>

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-21 by Matthew Hiscock

Prototype or not, I do dig the clear "iMac" look. Not sure how
practical it would be, but it sure looks cool.

On 20-Feb-06, at 9:20 PM, Scott Juskiw wrote:

> I got the prototype of my dual gate processor finished today. Thought
> I'd share this preview image:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/preview.jpg
>
> No docs or schematics yet, that will come in March, but a preliminary
> description can be found here:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/TLN-866.html
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-21 by Overand

I know gate processor/delays are not new, but still, this is un-freaking-believable. Imagine setting up your synth so that your delay effects (which i GROSSLY) overuse are a totally different voice, or are the same voicewith a change to the CV of the filter or pitch of the VCO (patching the gate out into one of the FM inputs!) This is an amazing little module. I WANT IT ASAP!!!!

-Geoff

Scott Juskiw wrote:

I got the prototype of my dual gate processor finished today. Thought I'd share this preview image:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/preview.jpg

No docs or schematics yet, that will come in March, but a preliminary description can be found here:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/TLN-866.html

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-21 by john mahoney

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Juskiw"
>
> I got the prototype of my dual gate processor finished today. Thought
> I'd share this preview image:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/preview.jpg
>
> No docs or schematics yet, that will come in March, but a preliminary
> description can be found here:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/TLN-866.html

Nice modules, and I like the compact layout.

I almost started a "do you like the smaller knobs" poll on this group the
last time you brought up this layout, but I got bogged down trying to find
the best way to frame the question.

"So many knobs, so little front panel area."
--
john

P.S. Thanks in advance for not making any "knob" jokes. ;-)

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by Richard Brewster

It happens that the dual gate processor *could* be fitted into a
"standard" MOTM panel with 4 normal size knobs, if you omitted the
buttons or used small buttons. Two LEDs can fit easily near the large
knobs, and small pushbuttons could fit likewise. Unfortunately this is
not the case for most of Scott's new module ideas, which have more jacks
and hence less room for standard knobs.

-Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com

john mahoney wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Juskiw"
>
>
>>I got the prototype of my dual gate processor finished today. Thought
>>I'd share this preview image:
>>
>>http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/preview.jpg
>>
>>No docs or schematics yet, that will come in March, but a preliminary
>>description can be found here:
>>
>>http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/TLN-866.html
>>
>>
>
>
>Nice modules, and I like the compact layout.
>
>I almost started a "do you like the smaller knobs" poll on this group the
>last time you brought up this layout, but I got bogged down trying to find
>the best way to frame the question.
>
>"So many knobs, so little front panel area."
>--
>john
>
>P.S. Thanks in advance for not making any "knob" jokes. ;-)
>
>
>
>

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by john mahoney

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Brewster"
>
> It happens that the dual gate processor *could* be fitted into a
> "standard" MOTM panel with 4 normal size knobs, if you omitted the
> buttons or used small buttons. Two LEDs can fit easily near the large
> knobs, and small pushbuttons could fit likewise.

Good analysis.

> Unfortunately this is
> not the case for most of Scott's new module ideas, which have more jacks
> and hence less room for standard knobs.

"Unfortunately" meaning that you don't like the smaller knobs?
Or, you just don't like to mix and match them with the MOTM standard?
FWIW, I think that Modcan makes nice use of different knob sizes.

Some people like big synths with the controls spread way out, like Moogs and
Arricks. MOTM puts a bit more into the same area. Buchla and Serge rate
pretty high in this regard, as far as I know, and Blacet and Doepfer score
high with their compact modules. And Wiard...

12 Moog modules make a small synth. 12 Wiard modules make a small monster!

Different strokes, all good.
--
john

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by Scott Juskiw

>It happens that the dual gate processor *could* be fitted into a
>"standard" MOTM panel with 4 normal size knobs, if you omitted the
>buttons or used small buttons. Two LEDs can fit easily near the large
>knobs, and small pushbuttons could fit likewise. Unfortunately this is
>not the case for most of Scott's new module ideas, which have more jacks
>and hence less room for standard knobs.

You're absolutely right. There are some mods to this circuit that
would add a couple of toggle switches as well. Some people may choose
to build this as a single gate processor with 2 normal size knobs, 2
jacks, 1 pushbutton, 1 LED, and two toggle switches. I haven't made a
panel layout for that configuration, but somebody might. I chose the
denser layout because I'm running out of space, and I've already
bought a few dozen of those huge pushbutton switches.

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by Richard Brewster

It was an 'unfortunate' choice of words, I suppose. No, I don't really
mind different knob sizes. Proof::
http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet.htm#blacetmixer

I just enjoy pondering panel designs. I can certainly picture Scott's
panel style in my synth. When the Stooges get their panel shop rolling,
it probably won't be long before I am adding another cabinet, and some
of those new Tellun modules could find a home in it.

-Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com

john mahoney wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Brewster"
>
>
>>It happens that the dual gate processor *could* be fitted into a
>>"standard" MOTM panel with 4 normal size knobs, if you omitted the
>>buttons or used small buttons. Two LEDs can fit easily near the large
>>knobs, and small pushbuttons could fit likewise.
>>
>>
>
>Good analysis.
>
>
>
>
>>Unfortunately this is
>>not the case for most of Scott's new module ideas, which have more jacks
>>and hence less room for standard knobs.
>>
>>
>
>"Unfortunately" meaning that you don't like the smaller knobs?
>Or, you just don't like to mix and match them with the MOTM standard?
>FWIW, I think that Modcan makes nice use of different knob sizes.
>
>Some people like big synths with the controls spread way out, like Moogs and
>Arricks. MOTM puts a bit more into the same area. Buchla and Serge rate
>pretty high in this regard, as far as I know, and Blacet and Doepfer score
>high with their compact modules. And Wiard...
>
>12 Moog modules make a small synth. 12 Wiard modules make a small monster!
>
>Different strokes, all good.
>--
>john
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by john mahoney

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Brewster"
>
> It was an 'unfortunate' choice of words, I suppose.

Ha! ;-D

> No, I don't really
> mind different knob sizes. Proof::
> http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet.htm#blacetmixer

Proof plenty.

> I just enjoy pondering panel designs.

Sure thing. I've got oodles of sketches, myself.

> I can certainly picture Scott's
> panel style in my synth. When the Stooges get their panel shop rolling,
> it probably won't be long before I am adding another cabinet, and some
> of those new Tellun modules could find a home in it.

Agreed.

Would it make any sense to have 1.5U MOTM panels? The mounting holes would
be staggered, so I guess you'd need extra holes to allow for mounting either
way (left-handed or right-handed?). But apart from the extra mounting holes,
it's not so weird. And maybe that's large enough to do some interesting
things without going to a full 2U. (Then again, ths is the product of a
tired person's brain!)
--
john

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by John Loffink

You know, I was thinking the same thing just a few days ago, inspired by the
same Tellun double row panels. A 1.5 wide module would likely enable two
rows of PKES70 knobs, .855 inch in diameter, compared to 1.01 for PKES90
MOTM standard and .748 for PKES60 "Encore" size. The PKES70 seems like a
good knob size compromise, though the extra panel mounting holes for a 1.5U
panel might be unsightly since there won't be mounting rail holes for offset
screws.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john
> mahoney
> Would it make any sense to have 1.5U MOTM panels? The mounting holes would
> be staggered, so I guess you'd need extra holes to allow for mounting
> either
> way (left-handed or right-handed?). But apart from the extra mounting
> holes,
> it's not so weird. And maybe that's large enough to do some interesting
> things without going to a full 2U. (Then again, ths is the product of a
> tired person's brain!)
> --
> john
>

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by Paul Haneberg

Actually I was thinking about this as well. It is possible that we
could redesign the stooge flat rails to accommodate a 1.5U option. I
would have to play around with it, but I don't see any reason that it
could not be done. I would think Paul S. could redesign the 19A rack
rails as well.

Prices might have to be a little higher, there would be more holes to
drill and tap, so more labor involved.

I'll look into this.

Stooge Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John Loffink
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:14 AM
To: 'john mahoney'; 'MOTM List'
Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview

You know, I was thinking the same thing just a few days ago, inspired by
the
same Tellun double row panels. A 1.5 wide module would likely enable
two
rows of PKES70 knobs, .855 inch in diameter, compared to 1.01 for PKES90
MOTM standard and .748 for PKES60 "Encore" size. The PKES70 seems like
a
good knob size compromise, though the extra panel mounting holes for a
1.5U
panel might be unsightly since there won't be mounting rail holes for
offset
screws.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

john

> mahoney
> Would it make any sense to have 1.5U MOTM panels? The mounting holes

would

> be staggered, so I guess you'd need extra holes to allow for mounting
> either
> way (left-handed or right-handed?). But apart from the extra mounting
> holes,
> it's not so weird. And maybe that's large enough to do some

interesting

> things without going to a full 2U. (Then again, ths is the product of

> tired person's brain!)
> --
> john
>

Yahoo! Groups Links

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by Scott Juskiw

>You know, I was thinking the same thing just a few days ago, inspired by the
>same Tellun double row panels. A 1.5 wide module would likely enable two
>rows of PKES70 knobs, .855 inch in diameter, compared to 1.01 for PKES90
>MOTM standard and .748 for PKES60 "Encore" size. The PKES70 seems like a
>good knob size compromise, though the extra panel mounting holes for a 1.5U
>panel might be unsightly since there won't be mounting rail holes for offset
>screws.

The Stooge flat rails are 6U wide, you could fit 4 of these 1.5U wide
panels in them. Wish we had thought of this years ago. It's too late
for me now, but perhaps some future Stooge flat rails could have more
holes in them to allow this new panel size.

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by Paul Haneberg

I have done the layout.

It is indeed possible to make Stooge Rails with holes for mounting in
.5U increments.
This means you could have modules which are .5U, 1.5U or 2.5U in width.
Panels in those sizes would have the same corner screw hole locations as
1U and 2U panels.
With Stooge Rails in this configuration you could mount .5U multiple
panels anywhere in your layout in any order. You would not be limited
to putting 4 - 1.5U panels across a 6U flat rail. You could have a 2U,
then a 1.5U, then a 1U, then a 1.5U etc.
The cost of Stooge Rails in this configuration would be slightly higher,
probably about $2 more each, because there would be 28 holes rather than
16.

The 19A rack rails are more difficult to make, but could also be a
future Stooge Product with hole spacing for .5U.

Personally I like the idea, there have been too many times when a 1.5U
or 2.5U panels would be just the ticket. You could even have very
simple modules, like jack multiples in .5U modules.

Stooge Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Juskiw
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:41 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview

>You know, I was thinking the same thing just a few days ago, inspired

by the

>same Tellun double row panels. A 1.5 wide module would likely enable

two

>rows of PKES70 knobs, .855 inch in diameter, compared to 1.01 for

PKES90

>MOTM standard and .748 for PKES60 "Encore" size. The PKES70 seems like

>good knob size compromise, though the extra panel mounting holes for a

1.5U

>panel might be unsightly since there won't be mounting rail holes for

offset

>screws.

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by John Loffink

Does this change the location of the screws which mount the rails to the
wood? If so it would make it a little more difficult, though not
impossible, for retrofitting cabinets that are already built. Looking at my
flat rails it appears the wood screws are dead center on where some of the
0.5U panel mounting screws will go.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Haneberg
>
> I have done the layout.
>
> It is indeed possible to make Stooge Rails with holes for mounting in
> .5U increments.
> This means you could have modules which are .5U, 1.5U or 2.5U in width.
> Panels in those sizes would have the same corner screw hole locations as
> 1U and 2U panels.
> With Stooge Rails in this configuration you could mount .5U multiple
> panels anywhere in your layout in any order. You would not be limited
> to putting 4 - 1.5U panels across a 6U flat rail. You could have a 2U,
> then a 1.5U, then a 1U, then a 1.5U etc.
> The cost of Stooge Rails in this configuration would be slightly higher,
> probably about $2 more each, because there would be 28 holes rather than
> 16.
>
> The 19A rack rails are more difficult to make, but could also be a
> future Stooge Product with hole spacing for .5U.
>
> Personally I like the idea, there have been too many times when a 1.5U
> or 2.5U panels would be just the ticket. You could even have very
> simple modules, like jack multiples in .5U modules.
>
> Stooge Paul
>

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by Paul Haneberg

No, the location of the countersunk holes for mounting to the wood does
not change. They would be located at the gap between where 2 half U
panels would mount. There is room for them, just barely, between the
holes for mounting half U panels, which would be 1/4" in from the panel
edge.

Paul H.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:45 PM
To: 'Paul Haneberg'; motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview

Does this change the location of the screws which mount the rails to the
wood? If so it would make it a little more difficult, though not
impossible, for retrofitting cabinets that are already built. Looking
at my
flat rails it appears the wood screws are dead center on where some of
the
0.5U panel mounting screws will go.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Paul

> Haneberg
>
> I have done the layout.
>
> It is indeed possible to make Stooge Rails with holes for mounting in
> .5U increments.
> This means you could have modules which are .5U, 1.5U or 2.5U in

width.

> Panels in those sizes would have the same corner screw hole locations

> 1U and 2U panels.
> With Stooge Rails in this configuration you could mount .5U multiple
> panels anywhere in your layout in any order. You would not be limited
> to putting 4 - 1.5U panels across a 6U flat rail. You could have a

2U,

> then a 1.5U, then a 1U, then a 1.5U etc.
> The cost of Stooge Rails in this configuration would be slightly

higher,

> probably about $2 more each, because there would be 28 holes rather

than

> 16.
>
> The 19A rack rails are more difficult to make, but could also be a
> future Stooge Product with hole spacing for .5U.
>
> Personally I like the idea, there have been too many times when a 1.5U
> or 2.5U panels would be just the ticket. You could even have very
> simple modules, like jack multiples in .5U modules.
>
> Stooge Paul
>

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-22 by John Loffink

This assumes the 1.5U panels are mounted only within 6U flat rail
boundaries. You couldn't "cross" the 1.5U panel across flat rails. To be
honest, that's preferable to new countersunk mounting holes.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Haneberg
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview
>
> No, the location of the countersunk holes for mounting to the wood does
> not change. They would be located at the gap between where 2 half U
> panels would mount. There is room for them, just barely, between the
> holes for mounting half U panels, which would be 1/4" in from the panel
> edge.
>
> Paul H.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:45 PM
> To: 'Paul Haneberg'; motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview
>
> Does this change the location of the screws which mount the rails to the
> wood? If so it would make it a little more difficult, though not
> impossible, for retrofitting cabinets that are already built. Looking
> at my
> flat rails it appears the wood screws are dead center on where some of
> the
> 0.5U panel mounting screws will go.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul
> > Haneberg
> >
> > I have done the layout.
> >
> > It is indeed possible to make Stooge Rails with holes for mounting in
> > .5U increments.
> > This means you could have modules which are .5U, 1.5U or 2.5U in
> width.
> > Panels in those sizes would have the same corner screw hole locations
> as
> > 1U and 2U panels.
> > With Stooge Rails in this configuration you could mount .5U multiple
> > panels anywhere in your layout in any order. You would not be limited
> > to putting 4 - 1.5U panels across a 6U flat rail. You could have a
> 2U,
> > then a 1.5U, then a 1U, then a 1.5U etc.
> > The cost of Stooge Rails in this configuration would be slightly
> higher,
> > probably about $2 more each, because there would be 28 holes rather
> than
> > 16.
> >
> > The 19A rack rails are more difficult to make, but could also be a
> > future Stooge Product with hole spacing for .5U.
> >
> > Personally I like the idea, there have been too many times when a 1.5U
> > or 2.5U panels would be just the ticket. You could even have very
> > simple modules, like jack multiples in .5U modules.
> >
> > Stooge Paul
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-23 by john mahoney

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Haneberg"
> I have done the layout.

Thanks, Paul!

This is cool. Why should Doepfer users have all the pleasure of varied
module widths? :-)

> Personally I like the idea, there have been too many times when a 1.5U
> or 2.5U panels would be just the ticket. You could even have very
> simple modules, like jack multiples in .5U modules.

I agree (obviously). 0.5U mult strips would be excellent.
--
john

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-23 by Paul Haneberg

No, this assumes you could mount panels in 1.5U or .5U increments across 6U
flat rail boundaries.
The only assumption would be that you have a total of X*6U, (unless of
course you cut down a flat rail or two)

Paul H.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
To: "'Paul Haneberg'" <phaneber@...>; <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:39 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview

> This assumes the 1.5U panels are mounted only within 6U flat rail
> boundaries. You couldn't "cross" the 1.5U panel across flat rails. To be
> honest, that's preferable to new countersunk mounting holes.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Paul
>> Haneberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:30 PM
>> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview
>>
>> No, the location of the countersunk holes for mounting to the wood does
>> not change. They would be located at the gap between where 2 half U
>> panels would mount. There is room for them, just barely, between the
>> holes for mounting half U panels, which would be 1/4" in from the panel
>> edge.
>>
>> Paul H.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:45 PM
>> To: 'Paul Haneberg'; motm@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [motm] gate processor preview
>>
>> Does this change the location of the screws which mount the rails to the
>> wood? If so it would make it a little more difficult, though not
>> impossible, for retrofitting cabinets that are already built. Looking
>> at my
>> flat rails it appears the wood screws are dead center on where some of
>> the
>> 0.5U panel mounting screws will go.
>>
>> John Loffink
>> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
>> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
>> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
>> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Paul
>> > Haneberg
>> >
>> > I have done the layout.
>> >
>> > It is indeed possible to make Stooge Rails with holes for mounting in
>> > .5U increments.
>> > This means you could have modules which are .5U, 1.5U or 2.5U in
>> width.
>> > Panels in those sizes would have the same corner screw hole locations
>> as
>> > 1U and 2U panels.
>> > With Stooge Rails in this configuration you could mount .5U multiple
>> > panels anywhere in your layout in any order. You would not be limited
>> > to putting 4 - 1.5U panels across a 6U flat rail. You could have a
>> 2U,
>> > then a 1.5U, then a 1U, then a 1.5U etc.
>> > The cost of Stooge Rails in this configuration would be slightly
>> higher,
>> > probably about $2 more each, because there would be 28 holes rather
>> than
>> > 16.
>> >
>> > The 19A rack rails are more difficult to make, but could also be a
>> > future Stooge Product with hole spacing for .5U.
>> >
>> > Personally I like the idea, there have been too many times when a 1.5U
>> > or 2.5U panels would be just the ticket. You could even have very
>> > simple modules, like jack multiples in .5U modules.
>> >
>> > Stooge Paul
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

RE: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-23 by John Loffink

?

The countersunk screw holes conflict with some of the 0.5U mounting
locations.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Haneberg
>
> No, this assumes you could mount panels in 1.5U or .5U increments across
> 6U
> flat rail boundaries.
> The only assumption would be that you have a total of X*6U, (unless of
> course you cut down a flat rail or two)
>
> Paul H.
>

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-02-25 by Geoff

This is un-freaking-believable. Imagine setting up your synth so that
your delay effects (which i GROSSLY) overuse are a totally different
voice, or are the same voicewith a change to the CV of the filter or
pitch of the VCO (patching the gate out into one of the FM inputs!)
This is an amazing little module. I WANT IT ASAP!!!!

-Geoff

Scott Juskiw wrote:

>I got the prototype of my dual gate processor finished today. Thought
>I'd share this preview image:
>
>http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/preview.jpg
>
>No docs or schematics yet, that will come in March, but a preliminary
>description can be found here:
>
>http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/tln866/TLN-866.html
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [motm] gate processor preview

2006-03-03 by Mark

I do not know what sort of technology this gate processor uses, so I
cannot comment on it specifically, but in my experience analogue
timers are not stable enough for sequencing. Years ago, I built a
unit using a 555 timer chip in order to control the glide switch on a
Mini Moog from a drum trigger or the accent output of a modified
TB-303. It worked well enough for that, but when I tried it to use
it to create gates to control an 800 for notes, the drift was fairly
noticeable. However, some people might consider that effect
desirable.

On 2/20/06, Overand put forth:

>I know gate processor/delays are not new, but still, this is
>un-freaking-believable. Imagine setting up your synth so that your
>delay effects (which i GROSSLY) overuse are a totally different
>voice, or are the same voicewith a change to the CV of the filter or
>pitch of the VCO (patching the gate out into one of the FM inputs!)
>This is an amazing little module. I WANT IT ASAP!!!!

Quick update

2006-09-05 by Paul Schreiber

>I have forwarded the initial ship list (~20 people) to Indiana. This is what I
>expect will ship by Monday the 11th. It a tedious process to gather up the
>orders (some folks sent in over *7* individual orders), charge the cards, type
>up the modules, verify everything, etc. There are 5 folks that volunteered to
>pre-charge their order back in late July: these will get shipped first.
>
> Please get your debit/credit cards in order *this week* so I can smoothly get
> everyone's order into the queue. If you did not get a phone call tonight, then
> you are OK :) I'm giving everyone 1 extra week (this week) because in the US
> it was a bank/work holiday, and the first of the month (rent). This first
> batch will allow me to pay for the outstanding bills coming due in Sept and
> the quarterly IRS tax bill (due the 15th, ack). No $$$ for *me*, but I can
> wait a few more weeks.
>
> But, next weekend, if I get a 'card declined' back from MC/VISA/Amex, the
> order goes to the *rear* of the pile. Which means *November* delivery.
>
> If you get an order and it's missing VCOs, power supplies or '510s, those are
> not shipping now because of parts issues. The '510s need more rotary switches,
> they are from the UK and due into US customs on the 12th. It will then take ~2
> weeks to have them wired up into the assembly and then 1 more week to go to
> Indiana and the kitting. The tempcos have arrived for the VCOs, I need to
> build up the kits now. But this is after I ship this set of MOTM-650s I've
> been working on for 2 weeks. Power supplies I am just low on but can drive
> over to Allied and pick them up if it will stop raining (drought-to-flood in 1
> day....sigh).
>
> The fun never stops :)
>
> Lastly: if you are in an EU country, you *WILL NOT* receive solder with your
> kits. You have to obtain it yourself. If you cannot get leaded solder, then be
> SURE you get solder with 2% silver content.
>
> Paul S.
>
>

Quick update

2007-05-30 by Paul Schreiber

I am a bit behind schedule in shipping orders 1-100 out and some MOTM 2.0 stuff

a) 250 3-pot Stooge brackets will arrive here June 15th
b) If the 248J pot sample looks OK, I will order 500 of them Monday, with an
expected 14 week lead time
c) I am about done making up all of the back-ordered MOTM-510 kits!
d) I'm going to be tied up with 'real work' until June 18th, there will be time
slots available
for me to ship and work on my #1 issue: VCO kit backlog. I have also tried to
ship ALL
CEM IC orders, if I missed you drop me a line. I expect shipping to be about
every 4 days
or so.

Paul S.

Quick update

2007-10-29 by Paul Schreiber

The backlog is now all reconciled with the orders on file. I have sent
notices out to folks that wanted extra kits (now offer is closed). Now the
fun (??!?) begins. There is MUCH to be done. Remember, log pots are still
back ordered from Vishay. Everything else looks OK.

*Please* wait until Dec 1st to ask if you will be shipped this year. As a
rule: if you are Order #450 or less, you *will* get shipped. If you are
Order #700 and above (but NOT a MOTM 2.0), the chances are small.
In-between.....(shrug).

Paul S.

Re: [motm] Quick update

2007-10-29 by Jeremy Kirk

Just wondering what MOTM 2.0 is again?

- Jeremy

On 30/10/2007, at 3:14 AM, Paul Schreiber wrote:

The backlog is now all reconciled with the orders on file. I have sent
notices out to folks that wanted extra kits (now offer is closed). Now the
fun (??!?) begins. There is MUCH to be done. Remember, log pots are still
back ordered from Vishay. Everything else looks OK.

*Please* wait until Dec 1st to ask if you will be shipped this year. As a
rule: if you are Order #450 or less, you *will* get shipped. If you are
Order #700 and above (but NOT a MOTM 2.0), the chances are small.
In-between.....(shrug).

Paul S.

Re: [motm] Quick update

2007-10-30 by mcb, inc.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Jeremy Kirk wrote:

> Just wondering what MOTM 2.0 is again?

A module with a can of AJAX, a list of social networking sites,
and a dream date with Cory Doctorow.

--
Monty Brandenberg

Re: [motm] Quick update

2007-10-30 by John Mahoney

At 09:27 PM 10/29/2007, mcb, inc. wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Jeremy Kirk wrote:
>
> > Just wondering what MOTM 2.0 is again?
>
>A module with a can of AJAX, a list of social networking sites,
>and a dream date with Cory Doctorow.
>--
>Monty Brandenberg

I'm chuckling *and* groaning at that joke.
--
john

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Re: [motm] Quick update

2007-10-30 by Michael Zacherl

On 30.10.2007 2:43 Uhr, John Mahoney wrote:

> At 09:27 PM 10/29/2007, mcb, inc. wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Jeremy Kirk wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Just wondering what MOTM 2.0 is again?
>>>
>> A module with a can of AJAX, a list of social networking sites,
>> and a dream date with Cory Doctorow.
>> --
>> Monty Brandenberg
>>
>
> I'm chuckling *and* groaning at that joke.
>

well, how about that? "I lost my records with the order number(s)
..." :-(

Michael.

Quick update

2008-05-05 by Paul Schreiber

a) the sale is for *both* kits and assembled modules

b) thanks for the initial orders. The medical bills are for my 22yr old
daughter, who lost her insurance earlier this year and now Daddy has to pony
up :(

c) Thursday AM, I will 'take down' the sale (and remove any unsold kits from
the cart).

d) I will have to order some front panels, but I have to anyway. At least
400 of the 500 ordered log pots are here (11 months later) so that is plenty
for all the modules.

e) I will get started on the MIDI-CV wave solder boards this week and when
those are done then run the CPU boards through (SMT). I am also going to run
more Frac boards in mid-June to fully restock AH now that Shawn is up and
running again.

f) While my wife is working at the hospital Mother's Day (she is a RN) I
will route the '730 CPU board and send it off for prototype fab.

Paul S.

Re: [motm] Quick update

2008-05-08 by Scott E.

Paul,

What's up?

I logged on to the site to place an order tonight (Wednesday) and the
sale prices are already gone. I thought this would not happen until
Thursday AM.

Scott E.
=================================================
Paul Schreiber wrote:

>
> a) the sale is for *both* kits and assembled modules
>
> b) thanks for the initial orders. The medical bills are for my 22yr old
> daughter, who lost her insurance earlier this year and now Daddy has
> to pony
> up :(
>
> c) Thursday AM, I will 'take down' the sale (and remove any unsold
> kits from
> the cart).
>
> d) I will have to order some front panels, but I have to anyway. At least
> 400 of the 500 ordered log pots are here (11 months later) so that is
> plenty
> for all the modules.
>
> e) I will get started on the MIDI-CV wave solder boards this week and
> when
> those are done then run the CPU boards through (SMT). I am also going
> to run
> more Frac boards in mid-June to fully restock AH now that Shawn is up and
> running again.
>
> f) While my wife is working at the hospital Mother's Day (she is a RN) I
> will route the '730 CPU board and send it off for prototype fab.
>
> Paul S.
>
>

Quick update

2008-09-29 by Paul Schreiber

I have been in Houston last few days visiting my family after Hurricane Ike.
Lots of tree damage, like tress splitting houses neatly into 2 halves. A
VERY large metal billboard sign + post impaled into an apartment complex. No
one had electricity for 12 days, it was a zoo.

Last week I mainly shipped MOTM 2.0 orders that had been piling up. BTW:
nearly out of all CEM ICs, guess that is the end of that :(

Will be able to ship many kits this week, the rest of October I will not
have nearly as much available time as I have had in Sept. I want to start
shipping MOTM-730s in late Oct/early Nov. if I can get the CPU boards
stuffed. I have a lot going on right now, I'll do what I can. My tech Shane
is finishing up 12 MOTM-440 pc boards, and then he starts on 12 MOTM-300
boards which is 1/2 of the VCO assembled backlog.

I also owe Analog Haven more Frac modules, they will ship Oct 6th.

Paul S.

RE: [motm] Quick update

2008-09-29 by John L Rice

Thanks for the update, Paul. Any news on the MOTM-650's?

John L Rice

-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:36 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] Quick update

I have been in Houston last few days visiting my family after Hurricane Ike.

Lots of tree damage, like tress splitting houses neatly into 2 halves. A
VERY large metal billboard sign + post impaled into an apartment complex. No

one had electricity for 12 days, it was a zoo.

Last week I mainly shipped MOTM 2.0 orders that had been piling up. BTW:
nearly out of all CEM ICs, guess that is the end of that :(

Will be able to ship many kits this week, the rest of October I will not
have nearly as much available time as I have had in Sept. I want to start
shipping MOTM-730s in late Oct/early Nov. if I can get the CPU boards
stuffed. I have a lot going on right now, I'll do what I can. My tech Shane
is finishing up 12 MOTM-440 pc boards, and then he starts on 12 MOTM-300
boards which is 1/2 of the VCO assembled backlog.

I also owe Analog Haven more Frac modules, they will ship Oct 6th.

Paul S.

Quick update

2009-02-28 by Paul Schreiber

Saturday I am going to reconcile the backlog, meaning I am going to verify
what is "on the books". So, some folks will be getting calls/emails from me
asking things like:

- "Do you still want this ancient order?"

- "What is you new credit card expiration date?"

- "Is this the right address?"

- "Did I already ship this?" (because Paul Haneburg was keeping track of
kits for a time)

And so on. Here are the "rules":

- If a credit card has expired, and I try several times to contact you but
never hear back, the order is cancelled. I will wait at least 10 days for
this.
- If I ask about the shipping address and never hear back, then it's going
where the orders says (I do keep a 'changed address' email folder for those
of you that notified me).
- If I run a credit card and get a "bounce" I will call/email. If I don't
hear back within 10 days, order is cancelled. Now, some "bounces" are
'Internet Fraud Protection' (mostly a VISA card) but some are insufficient
funds (cough).

All cancelled *kit* orders will be saved up and offered for resale later on
(around 1st week of April).

I am finishing up the '730 backlog this weekend, plus a few other assembled
modules BUT starting to switch the *majority* (not 100%, more like 85%)
effort back to kits. I'm going to have Shane build assembled pc board
inventory up all the month of March. He is finishing '190s now and next up
will be '420s followed by '320s. There are a couple of '510s assembled on
backlog that I will be able to ship now that the rotary switches are here.
Shane already finished the pc boards.

I have not done much with the kits since September, so now it's time to get
*rid* of them :)

Paul S.

Quick update

2009-09-21 by Paul Schreiber

I will have limited shipping dates until Oct 1st. I have stuffed pc boards
to ship most assembled module orders in the backlog. I need a few more
300/320/480s and Shane will be on those between now and the end of the
month. I will continue to work hard on these assembled module orders for the
next 4 weeks. The total backlog is now at it's lowest point in *7 years* !

I am shipping tomorrow and then on the following Monday (the 28th).

Paul S.

Quick update

2009-09-28 by Paul Schreiber

I will still be limited on my MOTM work until Friday. A few things are going
out tomorrow. I spent most of this weekend on the Euro oscillator prototype
boards. I hope to have them running by Wednesday. So far no major screw-ups
:) And I had to spend a lot of time Thursday helping my son on his first
"hard" English paper of 11th grade (9 typed pages, 10 references, certain
MLA format, blah blah blah). I hope I...err....*he* passes.

I will be able to ship quite a few orders from Oct 2-10. By the 10th I
expect to have the assembled backlog down to < 30 modules.

Next people getting stuff: Chuck, W&B, Michel, Romeo, Hermanto, Rob and
Riccardo.

Shane the Tech is starting some MOTM-320 LFOs tomorrow.

Paul S.

Rails for sale.

2009-10-31 by David Moylan

I have 3 pairs of MOTM-19A mounting rails for sale (moving out of racks
and into custom cabinets).

$40/pr + shipping from 19125

Thanks.

Dave

Re: [motm] Rails for sale.

2009-10-31 by David Moylan

The rails have been sold, thanks.

Dave

David Moylan wrote:

>
>
> I have 3 pairs of MOTM-19A mounting rails for sale (moving out of racks
> and into custom cabinets).
>
> $40/pr + shipping from 19125
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave
>
> __.

Quick update

2010-07-26 by Paul Schreiber

Monday I will be shipping out more kits. I had to make up MOTM-800s and did
not have time last week. Will finish them up first thing Monday AM so will
have time to ship orders by 3PM.

I will not be able to ship until Friday after that.

By Friday, if you have a kit on order that is *not* a '480, you should have
it shipped. Most kit backlogs will ship Monday. The following week is 100%
assembled modules, and will include shipping RR E350 editions.

I am interviewing for 2 potential full-time EE jobs the week! Hopefully 1
will result in an offer.

Paul S.

Re: [motm] Quick update

2010-07-26 by Kenneth Elhardt

From: "Paul Schreiber"

>> Monday I will be shipping out more KITS. By Friday, if you have a KIT on

order that is *not* a '480, you should have it shipped.<<

Maybe I'm just having another one of my spells, but I could have sworn that
Synthtech got out of the kit selling business a long time ago and was only
selling assembled modules.

-Ken Elhardt
(Just bought a Windows 7 computer and in 6 days have filled 5 pages
documenting Win7 stripped down features, limitations, annoyances, and total
Microsoft stupidy. Microsoft, the worst company in the world.)

RE: [motm] Quick update

2010-07-26 by John L Rice

Hi Ken!

A while back . . . can't remember when . . . either the end of last year or
early this year, Paul put up a slew of kits as a onetime deal to clear out
some remaining inventory . . .or other reason I've forgotten about. There
were around 20 different modules offered as kits initially but they have all
sold out except for one, the MOTM-320 (not counting the power supply kits he
always has up)

I "think" anyone waiting on a kit is from that recent sale . . . .

John L Rice

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Kenneth Elhardt
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:08 AM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: Re: [motm] Quick update
>
> From: "Paul Schreiber"
> >> Monday I will be shipping out more KITS. By Friday, if you have a
> KIT on
> order that is *not* a '480, you should have it shipped.<<
>
> Maybe I'm just having another one of my spells, but I could have sworn
> that
> Synthtech got out of the kit selling business a long time ago and was
> only
> selling assembled modules.
>
> -Ken Elhardt
> (Just bought a Windows 7 computer and in 6 days have filled 5 pages
> documenting Win7 stripped down features, limitations, annoyances, and
> total
> Microsoft stupidy. Microsoft, the worst company in the world.)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [motm] Quick update

2010-07-26 by Kenneth Elhardt

From: "John L Rice"

>>A while back . . . can't remember when . . . either the end of last year

or early this year, Paul put up a slew of kits as a onetime deal to clear
out some remaining inventory . . .or other reason I've forgotten about.<<

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Gee, I was kind of hoping it was another
one of my spells. Those are kind of fun.

-Ken Elhardt
(Just bought a new Compaq computer. Despite all the drives installed and
those the user will add have SATA power connectors, the power supply has all
the old style connectors. Compaq = Idiots. Added a second drive, but one of
the two mounting screw holes was too small and needed drilling out to fit
the screw through. Who engineers the crap? Compaq = Morons)

Re: [motm] Quick update

2010-07-26 by Ben Stuyts

On 26 jul 2010, at 09:34, John L Rice wrote:

> I "think" anyone waiting on a kit is from that recent sale . . . .

Nope.

Ben