MOTM

Yeah, me too.  PAIA was below my cut line even in 1980.  
Bid on this instead:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=1413043937

John Loffink
microtonal@...

> I'm gonna BARF!!
> 
> Paul S.
> 
> 
> > Check this:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
>

Oh well, there's no accounting for taste.

GeorgeK

--- In motm@y..., "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:

> I'm gonna BARF!!
> 
> Paul S.
> 
> 
> > Check this:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778
> > 
> >

I'm gonna BARF!!

Paul S.

> Check this:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778
> 
>

The end is near!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:35 PM
To: Steve Peglar
Subject: [motm] eBay madness


I'm gonna BARF!!

Paul S.


> Check this:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778
> 
> 


 

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Yea, but the cabinet is unique.....  That looks like authentic antique 
cherry minwax stain.  Although if it were mine I'd probably attach the 
modules with some of those authentic antique look alike almost hand forged 
rusted square nails like Norm uses sometimes.........

-dave-

At 04:35 PM 2/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm gonna BARF!!

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Paul Schreiber wrote:

> I'm gonna BARF!!
> 
> Paul S.
> 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778

  I've been laughing about this one all week.  I should be able to sell my
Oz for $1000 and my P4700/j for $4000 using this scale of reference.

Crow

/**/

The Old Crow wrote:

> I've been laughing about this one all week.  I should be able to sell my
> Oz for $1000 and my P4700/j for $4000 using this scale of reference.
> 
I sold a 4700 about a year ago and felt a little guilty getting
$500 for it. I sold a 2700 that someone had given me (and was
in horrible shape) for $50. The person that bought it was buying
it for the case and keyboard.

Tomy

No kidding.  I should my p4700J up this weekend. The thought of getting 
even a grand for it is laughable. I currently use it as a stand for 
other gear or an ashtray.
Regards,
Don
http://www.mp3.com/ropelab

The Old Crow wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> 
>> I'm gonna BARF!!
>> 
>> Paul S.
>> 
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778
>> 
> 
>   I've been laughing about this one all week.  I should be able to sell my
> Oz for $1000 and my P4700/j for $4000 using this scale of reference.
> 
> Crow
> 
> /**/
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 
>

>To the person I sold my PAiA 2700/4700 collection to (names omitted to
>protect innocent).  I told you you could not lose at that fair price.  If I
>had only known about e-bay back then.  HA HA..  But seriously, SELL.  The
>penny stock you bought just hit 20 cents... SELL...

I could just about kill myself for not buying that 4700/J back in '84. And
I thought I'd never be satisfied with a V/Hz synth...


All I want to know now is what was the reserve on this?


-- 
Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

In a message dated 2/28/2001 2:36:50 PM, microtonal@... writes:
 
>Bid on this instead:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?
>ViewItem&item=1413043937
>

And the real madness is that this guy is the high bidder on the PAiA! He's 
selling the MOTM cause he read somewhere that it didn't have enough features 
and wasn't easy enough to use. He thought the, "rare and highly sought after 
PAiA" would as easy to use as a bottle of ketchup (and with twice the 
features!), in spite of the scaling problems.

And if you believe that, I've got a "rare and highly sought after" 74 
Stratocaster bridge to sell you!
JB

To the person I sold my PAiA 2700/4700 collection to (names omitted to
protect innocent).  I told you you could not lose at that fair price.  If I
had only known about e-bay back then.  HA HA..  But seriously, SELL.  The
penny stock you bought just hit 20 cents... SELL...

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: The Old Crow <oldcrow@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Steve Peglar <peglar@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] eBay madness



On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Paul Schreiber wrote:

> I'm gonna BARF!!
>
> Paul S.
>
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778

  I've been laughing about this one all week.  I should be able to sell my
Oz for $1000 and my P4700/j for $4000 using this scale of reference.

Crow

/**/




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>And the real madness is that this guy is the high bidder on the PAiA! He's
>selling the MOTM cause he read somewhere that it didn't have enough features
>and wasn't easy enough to use. He thought the, "rare and highly sought after
>PAiA" would as easy to use as a bottle of ketchup (and with twice the
>features!), in spite of the scaling problems.

If this is correct (I'm trying to give the poor slob the benefit of the
doubt here--but this is too funny) then it has to be one of the all-time
boners. Note the payment requirements on the MOTM auction: "I WILL ONLY
EXCEPT [sic] PAYMENTS THROUGH WWW.PAYPAL.COM OR MONEY ORDER SENT NEXT DAY
DELIVERY." Could this be because the PAiA auction ends a day earlier? The
mind boggles...


>And if you believe that, I've got a "rare and highly sought after" 74
>Stratocaster bridge to sell you!

Is that one of those "tremolo" bridges that does vibrato?


-- 
Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, KA4HJH wrote:

> >And if you believe that, I've got a "rare and highly sought after" 74
> >Stratocaster bridge to sell you!
> 
> Is that one of those "tremolo" bridges that does vibrato?

  No, that would be the 'Tacoma Narrows' option. ;)

Crow

/**/

You guys need to lighten up a little. Some of us could not afford huge
MOOG system or ARP 2600s back then and PAIA was about one of the only
options we had to get into music synthesis. I realize the PAIA is not
of the same quality or even on the same level as the MOTM, and I know
all about "brand loyalty". But if the guy can get the price, more power
to him.

I have a 7 foot tall rack of mostly MOTM, some Oakley, EFM, and Encore
stuff. That thing looks VERY!! intimidating to the inexperienced (which
is partly why I like it so much). So, I understand why this obviously
Newby person might want to try something a little less scary to start
with.

This just proves all the advertising lingo: "sell the sizzle, not the
steak", and "people in America will buy ANYTHING!" I am really glad E-bay
exixts. It gives me hope that I won't have to discount my stuff if I
ever get ready to sell any of it.
-- 
James Holloway
jimh54@... - email
(972) 993-2023 x1188 - voicemail/fax



---- The Old Crow <oldcrow@...> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> 
> > I'm gonna BARF!!
> > 
> > Paul S.
> > 
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411621778
> 
>   I've been laughing about this one all week.  I should be able to
> sell my
> Oz for $1000 and my P4700/j for $4000 using this scale of reference.
> 
> Crow
> 
> /**/
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 
> 
> 

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In a message dated 2/28/01 7:47:13 PM, jwbarlow@... writes:

<< He's 
selling the MOTM cause he read somewhere that it didn't have enough features 
and wasn't easy enough to use.  >>

I'm always amused when I read about someone buying a "vintage" synthesizer, 
and then they hate it because it turns out you have to KNOW how to use it!  
There are some really funny (or sad) reviews in the Harmony Central 
Keyboard/Synth database.

It is sad that the "art" of synthesis is a mystery to people who grew up on 
cool-sounding presets.

Ivan

--- In motm@y..., ivancu@a... wrote:
> It is sad that the "art" of synthesis is a mystery to people who 
> grew up on cool-sounding presets.

Well, there were plenty of bozos back in the old days too, who called 
themselves synthesists just because they found the glide on their 
MiniMoog and could make it go "ooh-wee ooh-wee".

I knew a guy who hauled a Moog IIIC around on stage, just because it 
looked cool. He was clueless.

Moe

In a message dated 3/1/01 10:14:48 AM, mate_stubb@... writes:

<< Well, there were plenty of bozos back in the old days too, who called 
themselves synthesists just because they found the glide on their 
MiniMoog and could make it go "ooh-wee ooh-wee". >>

Point taken.   The thing that bothers me is that if you learn the basics of 
using a modular then you can be take those skills and apply them to anything 
from FM synths to virtual synth software.  What appears to be happening is 
that very few people understand synthesis basics.  What you are doing in as a 
fundamental understanding versus tweaking controls until something cool 
happens (not that it isn't fun to do that). 

All of this probably explains why music technology has advanced tremendously 
but the music hasn't.

Ivan

> All of this probably explains why music technology has advanced tremendously
> but the music hasn't.

i disagree... look at ppl like autechre, u-ziq, haujobb, boards of canada,
aphex twin, etc... these people are really advancing electronic music IMO.
and they're "only" pop musicians. but the thing is, most of them are using
their computers to do it... most of the music hardware these days is doing
one of two things, refining rompler/sampler tech or trying to achieve that
"vintage" sound... i mean, we of all people shouldn't be talking about
advancing music technology... heck, we're still using patchcords! *laugh*

this may be heresy to say here, but the sound *we're* chasing has very
little to do with advancements in music. i *love* my MOTM, and i can make
some seriously "advanced" sounds with it... but if i wanted to make
autechre/haujobb-level "advanced" music, only things like csound and
max/msp would do...

okay... sorry, this is getting way off topic.

<flamesuit="on">

bleep.
out.

In a message dated 3/1/2001 12:04:16 PM, ivancu@... writes:

>The thing that bothers me is that if you learn the basics of 
>using a modular then you can be take those skills and apply them to anything
>from FM synths to virtual synth software.  

I'm not sure I agree with this. I was quite good at thinking up patches for 
modulars in the early eighties. Then the university I was attending bought a 
DX-7 in about 85 (does that sound right?) and I spent my lab time for several 
weeks trying to figure it out (since it was obviously the new improved 
"synthesis" that would leave all others ground in the dust). I never had a 
real handle on it and soon went back to using the older Synclavier. It was a 
few years later that I realized my more explorative sonic exploits would be 
in the analog domain. At that time I thought I was just being lazy (can't 
teach an old dog new tricks), or nostalgic -- of course maybe that's true.

What appears to be happening
>is 
>that very few people understand synthesis basics. 

That is probably true, but again, in the good old days, there were really 
only the two main types of "synthesis (additive and subtractive).

This is so interesting to me that I will have to comment more later!
JB

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, James Holloway wrote:

> You guys need to lighten up a little. Some of us could not afford huge
> MOOG system or ARP 2600s back then and PAIA was about one of the only
> options we had to get into music synthesis. I realize the PAIA is not
> of the same quality or even on the same level as the MOTM, and I know
> all about "brand loyalty". But if the guy can get the price, more power
> to him.

  Well, I still have my Paia gear simply because it defined a moment in my
life that I went from electronic tinkerer to eventually going to the
college of engineering.  The 4700/J I actually restored/improved a while
back, just to keep it operational in case those in my office complex
wanted to fiddle with it.  I do not think I would sell it simply because
it has a degree of sentimental value.

  However, that does NOT absolve these people on ebay from bidding a 2720
over $600! :)  I'm sorry, but the circuits in a 2720 just...lack.

  --Crow, who remembers reading the 1972 PE articles.

/**/

I sold my 2720 and 2 4700 cabinets full of modules ( I had at least one
of everything ), for $250.00 back in '78. Wish they had Ebay then. I
could have been rich :) Some folks (bidders) just get caught up in the
feeding frenzy, some are just stupid. At any rate the seller can't be
blamed for making a buck. 
I personally would like to find a Gnome for cheap.

-- 
James Holloway
jimh54@... - email
(972) 993-2023 x1188 - voicemail/fax



---- The Old Crow <oldcrow@...> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, James Holloway wrote:
> 
> > You guys need to lighten up a little. Some of us could not afford
> huge
> > MOOG system or ARP 2600s back then and PAIA was about one of the
> only
> > options we had to get into music synthesis. I realize the PAIA is
> not
> > of the same quality or even on the same level as the MOTM, and I
> know
> > all about "brand loyalty". But if the guy can get the price, more
> power
> > to him.
> 
>   Well, I still have my Paia gear simply because it defined a moment
> in my
> life that I went from electronic tinkerer to eventually going to the
> college of engineering.  The 4700/J I actually restored/improved a
> while
> back, just to keep it operational in case those in my office complex
> wanted to fiddle with it.  I do not think I would sell it simply because
> it has a degree of sentimental value.
> 
>   However, that does NOT absolve these people on ebay from bidding
> a 2720
> over $600! :)  I'm sorry, but the circuits in a 2720 just...lack.
> 
>   --Crow, who remembers reading the 1972 PE articles.
> 
> /**/
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 
> 
> 

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I have a Gnome, but I get too sentimental to part with anything. I wish I
had picked up an Oz keyboard for it while they were available. I can think
of lots of things to do right now with a mini keyboard like that.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	James Holloway [mailto:jimh54@...] 
Sent:	Friday, 02 March, 2001 12:55 PM
To:	motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	Re: [motm] eBay madness

 
I personally would like to find a Gnome for cheap.

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Tkacs, Ken wrote:

> I have a Gnome, but I get too sentimental to part with anything. I wish I
> had picked up an Oz keyboard for it while they were available. I can think
> of lots of things to do right now with a mini keyboard like that.

  I had a Gnome that was lost to a flooded basement in college.  I still
have the Oz, which I have plans to hack into a MIDI controller and
experimental phasacc poly osc toy using Ubicom PIC-alikes.

Crow

/**/