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2006-03-01 by mate_stubb
That's encouraging news - thanks for yours and Mark's hard work on this! Moe http://www.stoogeindustries.com --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" wrote: > > OK, I pulled out my ZO and recalibrated to get the following much much > better results. I would say
2006-03-01 by John Loffink
OK, I pulled out my ZO and recalibrated to get the following much much better results. I would say there is a five octave range that is very good by analog VCO standards. I estimate the scale trimmer per the factory settings was off by 1.5 to 2 revolutions. After final recalibrat
2006-03-01 by Jason Proctor
i took the plunge too. i had 4 spaces left in my rack.... not any more! the zero is the kind of module that epitomises why i bought a modular in the first place... >I took the plunge ... and now I got some other problem to solve: >I don't have enough space in my little cabinet. >
2006-02-28 by Michael Zacherl (aka TonTaub)
I took the plunge ... and now I got some other problem to solve: I don't have enough space in my little cabinet. Oh well ... ;-) Michael.
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
Mark, I'll have to disagree here, as I corraborated with more precise measurements what Richard Brewster had provided and heard. Here's an experiment almost any ZO owner can do. Tune your ZO and your master oscillator MOTM-300 or whatever to exactly 240 Hz. Apply an envelope to t
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
I should have been clearer. I used the middle setting for Range, which must be your MEDIUM. I did not use the LFO range. John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site http://www.wavemakers-synth.com > -----O
2006-02-28 by tuninghead
Hi there John and other trackers, John L., we repeated your measurements, but this time we used the appropriate range setting for low audio which is the MEDIUM range setting. You are stretching the LFO range into boy's choir territory. For the same frequency range you used, we me
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
One more thing, I did the Varisync testing with both VCOs tuned to the same base frequency. If you want to tune them at different intervals, as is often the case, you may need to increase the varisync control. You may also hit a limit on extended harmonic tracking using the sync
2006-02-28 by tontaub
--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" wrote: > A second ZO is not recommended as the master VCO. In terms of Yamaha FM: ZO = Carrier MOTM-300 = Modulator When does it make sense to have more than one ZO? Just for more voices? Can't believe that. What's with
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
OK, I tried the Indexed Linear FM with and without Varisync from the MOTM 300 triangle wave. Without Varisync I definitely hear the mistracking of the ZO compared to the MOTM as clangorous inharmonics as I play up the keyboard. With Varisync connected, set to soft sync at 1.5, th
2006-02-28 by David Bartz
dalimaster2004 wrote: and chose not to go bananas. Man, that would be MY choice too, but what with this administration... oops! Sorry - wrong list. :-P -db- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \u201cBu
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
ZO results using the Varisync function. MOTM VCO triangle to ZO Varisync input. Varisync set to 1, soft sync. Range switch: Lowest setting Bias switch: High Tuning Knob in middle of range Desired Voltage Input Voltage Desired Frequency Actual Frequency Error (Hertz) Error (percen
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
I doubt relative precision will be much better than absolute precision. You cannot necessarily tweak other VCOs to replicate the non-ideal tracking of the ZO. John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site ht
2006-02-28 by tontaub
PS: --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" wrote --- > Results are much better, as the ZO tracks the MOTM VCO frequency. I have > not checked the audible difference between modulating this ZO configuration > and the one without soft sync. These measurements a
2006-02-28 by tontaub
Hi John, I'm afraid you're right. :-( looking at your measurement results the deviations look more design immanent than like an calibration error. Regarding the second MSG you just posted, I've to admit that I'm not sure if I fully understand the Vari-Synch functionality. Looking
2006-02-28 by Bryan E Cornell
I wonder how the ZO compares to something like a Plan B oscillator which is intended to track over a smaller number of octaves than other super-accurate oscillators on the market. Bryan
2006-02-28 by coyoteous
From: http://www.buzzclick-music.com/model_15.html "Various component improvements on the Model 15 core have increased for 1V/oct tracking to SEVEN OCTAVES - with none of the hick-ups associated with sawtooth core VCOs past the 3k limit. An important note: the Model 15 has a TRIA
2006-02-28 by Michael Zacherl (aka TonTaub)
John Loffink wrote: > My results. many thanks for that efforts, John! It would be interesting to see if two or more ZOs track the same. (But AFAIK there's noone running more than one ZO) To me that's even more important than the absolute precision. I'd be willing to adjust my oth
2006-02-28 by Michael Zacherl (aka TonTaub)
Hi Cynthia! > For most applications it's not really any big deal at all, in fact it seems to add even more > LIFE to the sound that there is yet another layer of modulation. As you say, that depends on the application. > If on the otherhand, a specific scientific or calculated ap
2006-02-28 by Michael Zacherl (aka TonTaub)
Hi Mark, many thanks for that comprehensive answers you provided! They help a lot to better understand the "mechanics" behind voltage control. cheers, Michael. > You can try to control the beating (or at least the perception of > beating) by using an LFO at the beat frequency you
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
My results. I used the preferred ZO setting for accuracy per the manual. I did not adjust the ZO 1V/oct tracking trimmer. It is at the factory setting. Range switch: Lowest setting Bias switch: High Tuning Knob in middle of range Encore Expressionist used as the voltage source. B
2006-02-28 by John Loffink
John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site http://www.wavemakers-synth.com I am having trouble getting a stable frequency reading at 30 Hertz, with the frequency varying up to 0.5 Hertz with an Extech Mul
2006-02-28 by Greg James
Sorry about the echoes... -----Original Message----- From: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg James Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:33 PM To: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [The_Cyndustries_Lis
2006-02-28 by dalimaster2004
Hi I just ordered the MOTM version of the Zero OSc to go with my series B Modcan which I am expecting in about 2 months. I prefer 1/4" for a bunch of reasons and chose not to go bananas. Are there plans to offer more of the Cyndustries modules in 1/4" jack format? What would you
2006-02-28 by Greg James
I would like to know this too... Greg -----Original Message----- From: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of coyoteous Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:12 PM To: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Cyndustr
2006-02-28 by Greg James
I would like to know this too... Greg -----Original Message----- From: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of coyoteous Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:12 PM To: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Cyndustr
2006-02-28 by Greg James
I would like to know this too... Greg -----Original Message----- From: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of coyoteous Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:12 PM To: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Cyndustr
2006-02-28 by mate_stubb
Sorry, I can't help you. I don't have any way to check tracking until I get my MOTM-650 in a few weeks. Moe --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "coyoteous" wrote: > > Anybody care to comment? Time is short before the price increase and I'm still > sitting on the fence. I
2006-02-28 by Greg James
I am interested in the answer to this question too. Greg -----Original Message----- From: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of coyoteous Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:00 AM To: The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com Subj
2006-02-28 by coyoteous
Anybody care to comment? Time is short before the price increase and I'm still sitting on the fence. I would expect a $600+ VCO to track as well or better than any others. Thanks! --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "coyoteous" wrote: > > What is the quoted and/or typica
2006-02-27 by Cynthia
--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "tontaub" wrote: > > Hi, Hi Michael! > I´m still trying to make up my mind wether a ZO is important to me or not. ;-) Ha! > Reading the manual I learn that the ZO´s morph output levels are adjusted to _sound_ the same. (i.e. a square w
2006-02-27 by tontaub
Hi, I´m still trying to make up my mind wether a ZO is important to me or not. ;-) Reading the manual I learn that the ZO´s morph output levels are adjusted to _sound_ the same. (i.e. a square waves have a lower amplitude than a triangle) While this is a nice feature for morphs i
2006-02-27 by coyoteous
What is the quoted and/or typical tracking accuracy for the zeroscillator? I assumed it would be five octaves or better. Also, does it use an internal precision voltage reference or does its tuning vary with the power supply voltages? I was just about to pop for one of these befo
2006-02-27 by Richard Brewster
My testing method isn't a problem. The output impedance of the source doesn't matter for the measurements I did. I adjusted to get 1.000 volt, as measured at the 1V/oct input. (Measured at the output pin of the op amp in my mixer, the voltage would be 1.010 volts, because of the
2006-02-27 by John Loffink
Richard, For your testing, what is the output impedance of your Mixer-Comparator? Unless it is the range of ~100 ohm or less, it may cause some of the error you are seeing. An MOTM 820 VC Lag has a properly designed output for accurate 1V/oct tracking. You may want to put your vo
2006-02-27 by Richard Brewster
Thanks, Cynthia. I found the trimpot easily. I ended up with a setting close to the original factory setting. But I was not able to fix a problem of the ZO tracking sharp in the lower octaves of the high range. I started down this calibration road because I noticed that the ZO an
2006-02-26 by david rothbaum
Hi Cynthia, Thanks for the quick response, glad to hear it will work. And do these "flippy" cables ship with each unit? thanks again, --david --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, Cynthia Webster wrote: > > david rothbaum wrote: > > > Hi Cynthia, > > > Hi David! > > > > >
2006-02-26 by Cynthia Webster
david rothbaum wrote: > Hi Cynthia, Hi David! > > I am planning on putting my zeroscillator in an analogue systems case > and i was wondering if you have tried this and if it will fit > properly. We recently tested the Euro ZO fit in both a 19" rack mount Doepfer and Analogue Sys
2006-02-26 by david rothbaum
Hi Cynthia, I am planning on putting my zeroscillator in an analogue systems case and i was wondering if you have tried this and if it will fit properly. The reason I ask is that I just bought a doepfer a-143-2 quad adsr which i could not get to fit right, the boards are very clo
2006-02-25 by Cynthia Webster
Hi Richard! First, please be quite certain that it is the ZO and not rather that another oscillator (or keyboard) in your system being slightly off... The Zeroscillator 1volt/octave trimmer is located on the top board where the power plugs in. If you locate the logo saying Cynthi
2006-02-25 by Richard Brewster
I've discovered my ZO is a little bit off on the 1V/Oct tracking. It is more apparent at lower frequencies. It would be handy if the manual pointed out the location of the 1V/Oct trimpot. I haven't tried looking for it yet, but I will. -Richard Brewster http://www.pugix.com
2006-02-25 by David Bartz
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2006-02-24 by Jason Proctor
i'd like to stiffen up my knobs. is there a chiclet that will do this? >:-} >Thanks for the plug! Pot Chiclets are especially nice if you like the >"silky smooth" knob feel. :-) > >John Loffink >The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site >http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com >The Wavemaker
2006-02-24 by John Loffink
Thanks for the plug! Pot Chiclets are especially nice if you like the "silky smooth" knob feel. :-) John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site http://www.wavemakers-synth.com > > Speaking of pots... John
2006-02-24 by Cynthia
--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" wrote: > > MOTM/Synthesis Technology uses expensive Spectrol and Bourns pots. The > Cyndustries ZO uses less expensive pots, except the multiturn tuning pot > which is likely a $20-30 part. The MOTM ZO Tuning knob has a
2006-02-24 by John Loffink
MOTM/Synthesis Technology uses expensive Spectrol and Bourns pots. The Cyndustries ZO uses less expensive pots, except the multiturn tuning pot which is likely a $20-30 part. The MOTM ZO Tuning knob has a feel similar to MOTM EG knobs. The other MOTM ZO knobs have a feel closer t
2006-02-24 by john mahoney
> John > > Go for the DotCom look. From what I've seen in the last few years, > the DocCom stuff that does come up for sale goes really quicky and at > very close to list price. Nothing against MOTM, I have modules from > both and love them both, but I really prefer the DocCom lo
2006-02-24 by Richard Brewster
Mine arrived today too. It's wonderful! I patched up the Quick Start patch from the manual, using a MOTM-300 VCO for the sine wave input to linear FM. A bit of knob fiddling and wow! Really amazing sounds. It does look great, too. I will have to take pictures and update my websit
2006-02-24 by Scott K Warren
Yay! My MOTM flavored ZO arrived this afternoon. Two words: HUGE, and HUGE !! Physically and sonically. This is a thing of beauty, and if you don't have one ordered you really should fix that. If I hit the lottery I'm going to buy more. I haven't really done anything much with it
2006-02-24 by Larry T.
--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "john mahoney" wrote: > > john > > (Secondary problem is deciding between dotcom and MOTM formats. I currently > have more of the former and prefer the way it looks, but I'll eventually > have just as much MOTM/etc and am content with