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Living VCO panels for MOTM?

Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-12 by Eric Frampton

Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?

Is there an ETA?

Thanks,
Eric

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-12 by wjhall11

As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living VCO-plus-waveshapers large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-waveshapers and with small-knobs.

Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't know how to upload these - sorry):

http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm

At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U version most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.

Between these designs is the 5U version.

I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted the 5U version but nothing was decided further.

Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
http://www.modularsynthesis.com/jhaible/lvcos/jhlvcos.htm

Bill



--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@...> wrote:
>
> Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
>
> Is there an ETA?
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by Scott Deyo

I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of June, July shipping hopefully.

How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too many!

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living VCO-plus-waveshaper s large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-waveshapers and with small-knobs. 

Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't know how to upload these - sorry):

http://www.dragonfl yalley.com/ constructionJHLi vingVCO.htm

At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U version most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.

Between these designs is the 5U version.

I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted the 5U version but nothing was decided further.

Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
http://www.modulars ynthesis. com/jhaible/ lvcos/jhlvcos. htm

Bill

--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, Eric Frampton <eric@...> wrote:
>
> Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> 
> Is there an ETA?
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric
>


Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by Scott K Warren

I will buy two of the "Greg James 7U" design!

skw

Sent from my iPhone

On May 13, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:

I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of June, July shipping hopefully.

How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too many!

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living VCO-plus-waveshaper s large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-waveshapers and with small-knobs. 

Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't know how to upload these - sorry):

http://www.dragonfl yalley.com/ constructionJHLi vingVCO.htm

At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U version most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.

Between these designs is the 5U version.

I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted the 5U version but nothing was decided further.

Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
http://www.modulars ynthesis. com/jhaible/ lvcos/jhlvcos. htm

Bill

--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, Eric Frampton <eric@...> wrote:
>
> Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> 
> Is there an ETA?
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric
>


Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by Ben Stuyts

Hi Scott,

On 14 mei 2010, at 06:00, Scott Deyo wrote:

> I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of June, July shipping hopefully.
>
> How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too many!

1 x 5U for me.

Ben

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by gjames@netguild.com

I'm interested in 4 of the "Greg James/Will Hall" 7Us (but I'm biased )
 
-Greg James
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Deyo [mailto:contact@...]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:00 AM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of June, July shipping hopefully.

How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too many!

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living VCO-plus-waveshaper s large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-waveshapers and with small-knobs. 

Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't know how to upload these - sorry):

http://www.dragonfl yalley.com/ constructionJHLi vingVCO.htm

At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U version most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.

Between these designs is the 5U version.

I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted the 5U version but nothing was decided further.

Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
http://www.modulars ynthesis. com/jhaible/ lvcos/jhlvcos. htm

Bill

--- In ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com, Eric Frampton <eric@...> wrote:
>
> Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> 
> Is there an ETA?
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric
>


Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by klstay

Sigh, so many modules so little time...

I would pick up at least 1 of either, but prefer the 5U sans waveshapers.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>
> I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of
> June, July shipping hopefully.
>
> How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-
> list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too many!
>
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison.com
>
>
>
>
> On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>
> > As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living VCO-
> > plus-waveshapers large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-
> > waveshapers and with small-knobs.
> >
> > Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't
> > know how to upload these - sorry):
> >
> > http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm
> >
> > At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a
> > funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U version
> > most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.
> >
> > Between these designs is the 5U version.
> >
> > I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were
> > interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted the
> > 5U version but nothing was decided further.
> >
> > Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
> > http://www.modularsynthesis.com/jhaible/lvcos/jhlvcos.htm
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> > >
> > > Is there an ETA?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eric
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by Scott Deyo

I'm on the fence, too. I feel like the 7U is a lot of extra money and work, but I will miss the sines if I skip 'em.... sigh...

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On May 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, klstay wrote:

Sigh, so many modules so little time...

I would pick up at least 1 of either, but prefer the 5U sans waveshapers.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>
> I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of 
> June, July shipping hopefully.
> 
> How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off- 
> list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too many!
> 
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> 
> > As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living VCO- 
> > plus-waveshapers large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans- 
> > waveshapers and with small-knobs.
> >
> > Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't 
> > know how to upload these - sorry):
> >
> > http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm
> >
> > At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a 
> > funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U version 
> > most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.
> >
> > Between these designs is the 5U version.
> >
> > I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were 
> > interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted the 
> > 5U version but nothing was decided further.
> >
> > Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
> > http://www.modularsynthesis.com/jhaible/lvcos/jhlvcos.htm
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> > >
> > > Is there an ETA?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eric
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by wjhall11

Yes - that's my position too - Will is more gung-ho on principle.

But you know - the wave-shapers could be made into a companion 2U module.

HISTORY:

See - I was blissfully proceeding down the 5U path when Will, pouring over Jurgen's LVCO page, spotted Jurgen's mention of wave-shapers - that he (Jurgen) was providing a place that the raw Osc. outputs could be hooked up to waveshapers. Will even found mention in another forum's LVCO thread that Jurgen had considered including waveshapers on the VCO board, but decided to omit them because of space considerations.

So Will and I looked at the MOTM300s and discerned the waveshapers on that, and had a lightbulb moment... why not implement Jurgen's idea using another oscillator's PCB's waveshapers? So we rummaged around and found the MFOS Osc. and figured out, in theory, how to do it.

It's untested, but we see no reason it wouldn't work. We consulted a couple experts, and they concurred... but I'd have to look at our old email to remember exactly who and what.

Probably we should ask Scott Deyo, Scott Juskiw, and Dave Brown to review our idea for a final thumbs-up.

So let's all be forwarned, OK? I mean, it's not like Will and I have built and tested the damned thing... but, again, with some fiddling about the value of the input resistor to the CGS Osc. wave-shapers, it should be a no-brainer. (we've done our best to chart this out on our LVCO page so we wouldn't forget how we thought of doing it)

SO THE 2U COMPANION MODULE:

Another possibility we entertained was to put the 3 wave-shapers in a separate 2U module. We just didn't want to do that.

But what does everybody think of that idea?

The down-side is that the LVCO just lays out better in 7U anyway and if you're using 7U you have the space for the wave-shapers. So why not just do the 7U.

Bill



--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>
> I'm on the fence, too. I feel like the 7U is a lot of extra money and
> work, but I will miss the sines if I skip 'em.... sigh...
>
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison.com
>
>
>
>
> On May 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, klstay wrote:
>
> > Sigh, so many modules so little time...
> >
> > I would pick up at least 1 of either, but prefer the 5U sans
> > waveshapers.
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of
> > > June, July shipping hopefully.
> > >
> > > How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-
> > > list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too
> > many!
> > >
> > > Scott Deyo
> > > contact@
> > > The Bridechamber
> > > www.bridechamber.com
> > > Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> > > www.jealousedison.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> > >
> > > > As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living
> > VCO-
> > > > plus-waveshapers large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-
> > > > waveshapers and with small-knobs.
> > > >
> > > > Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't
> > > > know how to upload these - sorry):
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm
> > > >
> > > > At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a
> > > > funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U
> > version
> > > > most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.
> > > >
> > > > Between these designs is the 5U version.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were
> > > > interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted
> > the
> > > > 5U version but nothing was decided further.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
> > > > http://www.modularsynthesis.com/jhaible/lvcos/jhlvcos.htm
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look
> > like?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there an ETA?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by klstay

IMHO the "primary" use is front end for a voice. As such the triangle and sin outs are just not going to see much use. Granted folks will do all kind of "non-voice-front-end" things as well, but that is why I want at least 1 of them.

If you go 7U then I have no choice; I must accept the extra cost and complexity and space or pass completely. If you go 5U with a 2U WS next to it than those that want it can have it and folks like me also still get what we want. I would probably buy either way, just with a smaller smile on my mug ;-)

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by Scott K Warren

Right, why put the waveshapers in a separate module when you end up using 7U of space anyway and the integrated 7U design has a better layout?

Well, one reason might be if it turns out that there's not enough 7U demand for Scott to justify doing a 7U panel. Then everybody buys 5U's, and the ambitious ones hope Scott will do the 2U companion panel. (Of course Scott will then still be looking at doing a panel run just for that same small number of ambitious customers.)

But if that happens, I will just FPD my two 7U panels and call it a day.

The way I figure it, Scott is doing us all a huge favor by taking the risk on making all those panels and it must be pretty hard to figure out what's going to be profitable when everyone has different opinions on things. So when he makes a panel I want, I feel like I got lucky, and I buy it. And when he doesn't, I do my own thing with no hard feelings. (Thanks, Scott!)

But while Scott's decision is pending I can still lobby! So come on guys, fire up for 7U!

skw

Sent from my iPad


On May 14, 2010, at 11:54 AM, "wjhall11" <wjhall@...> wrote:

> Yes - that's my position too - Will is more gung-ho on principle.
>
> But you know - the wave-shapers could be made into a companion 2U module.
>
> HISTORY:
>
> See - I was blissfully proceeding down the 5U path when Will, pouring over Jurgen's LVCO page, spotted Jurgen's mention of wave-shapers - that he (Jurgen) was providing a place that the raw Osc. outputs could be hooked up to waveshapers. Will even found mention in another forum's LVCO thread that Jurgen had considered including waveshapers on the VCO board, but decided to omit them because of space considerations.
>
> So Will and I looked at the MOTM300s and discerned the waveshapers on that, and had a lightbulb moment... why not implement Jurgen's idea using another oscillator's PCB's waveshapers? So we rummaged around and found the MFOS Osc. and figured out, in theory, how to do it.
>
> It's untested, but we see no reason it wouldn't work. We consulted a couple experts, and they concurred... but I'd have to look at our old email to remember exactly who and what.
>
> Probably we should ask Scott Deyo, Scott Juskiw, and Dave Brown to review our idea for a final thumbs-up.
>
> So let's all be forwarned, OK? I mean, it's not like Will and I have built and tested the damned thing... but, again, with some fiddling about the value of the input resistor to the CGS Osc. wave-shapers, it should be a no-brainer. (we've done our best to chart this out on our LVCO page so we wouldn't forget how we thought of doing it)
>
> SO THE 2U COMPANION MODULE:
>
> Another possibility we entertained was to put the 3 wave-shapers in a separate 2U module. We just didn't want to do that.
>
> But what does everybody think of that idea?
>
> The down-side is that the LVCO just lays out better in 7U anyway and if you're using 7U you have the space for the wave-shapers. So why not just do the 7U.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'm on the fence, too. I feel like the 7U is a lot of extra money and
>> work, but I will miss the sines if I skip 'em.... sigh...
>>
>> Scott Deyo
>> contact@...
>> The Bridechamber
>> www.bridechamber.com
>> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
>> www.jealousedison.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, klstay wrote:
>>
>>> Sigh, so many modules so little time...
>>>
>>> I would pick up at least 1 of either, but prefer the 5U sans
>>> waveshapers.
>>>
>>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of
>>>> June, July shipping hopefully.
>>>>
>>>> How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-
>>>> list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too
>>> many!
>>>>
>>>> Scott Deyo
>>>> contact@
>>>> The Bridechamber
>>>> www.bridechamber.com
>>>> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
>>>> www.jealousedison.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living
>>> VCO-
>>>>> plus-waveshapers large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-
>>>>> waveshapers and with small-knobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't
>>>>> know how to upload these - sorry):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a
>>>>> funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U
>>> version
>>>>> most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Between these designs is the 5U version.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were
>>>>> interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted
>>> the
>>>>> 5U version but nothing was decided further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
>>>>> http://www.modularsynthesis.com/jhaible/lvcos/jhlvcos.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look
>>> like?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there an ETA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by peter foti

I'm not a MOTMer & I make my own panels, so I don't have much to add to this debate. I did however finish wiring my Living VCO module today. Its still on the bench being checked over and is not integrated into my system yet but is looking and sounding good so far. 

I managed a FRAC format panel design that has all the stock features and fits pretty comfortably (for me) on a 5U frac panel.

Here's a pic of the module taken some time ago before beginning wiring:


peter

RE: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by John L Rice

WOW! Looks awesome, Peter! Great job!

 

John L Rice

 

 

From: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of peter foti
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:16 AM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

 

 

I'm not a MOTMer & I make my own panels, so I don't have much to add to this debate. I did however finish wiring my Living VCO module today. Its still on the bench being checked over and is not integrated into my system yet but is looking and sounding good so far. 

 

I managed a FRAC format panel design that has all the stock features and fits pretty comfortably (for me) on a 5U frac panel.

 

Here's a pic of the module taken some time ago before beginning wiring:

 

 

peter

 

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by wjhall11

Yeah - this actually is how I feel too.

The 7U layout came about because I asked Will what it would take to use the standard MOTM large knobs - and it takes 7U to do that. Then as it turns out, I thing the layout of the LVCO is better at 7U anyway... it's just clearer. And If you've moved to 7U, then there's space for the waveshapers anyway.

So, now that I'm really recalling my thinking, yes - the 7U panel is about the large knobs and better layout. A fringe benefit is space for the waveshapers.

So I vote for the 7U deals myself. If Scott makes it, we will buy one.



--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott K Warren <scott@...> wrote:
>
> Right, why put the waveshapers in a separate module when you end up using 7U of space anyway and the integrated 7U design has a better layout?
>
> Well, one reason might be if it turns out that there's not enough 7U demand for Scott to justify doing a 7U panel. Then everybody buys 5U's, and the ambitious ones hope Scott will do the 2U companion panel. (Of course Scott will then still be looking at doing a panel run just for that same small number of ambitious customers.)
>
> But if that happens, I will just FPD my two 7U panels and call it a day.
>
> The way I figure it, Scott is doing us all a huge favor by taking the risk on making all those panels and it must be pretty hard to figure out what's going to be profitable when everyone has different opinions on things. So when he makes a panel I want, I feel like I got lucky, and I buy it. And when he doesn't, I do my own thing with no hard feelings. (Thanks, Scott!)
>
> But while Scott's decision is pending I can still lobby! So come on guys, fire up for 7U!
>
> skw
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On May 14, 2010, at 11:54 AM, "wjhall11" <wjhall@...> wrote:
>
> > Yes - that's my position too - Will is more gung-ho on principle.
> >
> > But you know - the wave-shapers could be made into a companion 2U module.
> >
> > HISTORY:
> >
> > See - I was blissfully proceeding down the 5U path when Will, pouring over Jurgen's LVCO page, spotted Jurgen's mention of wave-shapers - that he (Jurgen) was providing a place that the raw Osc. outputs could be hooked up to waveshapers. Will even found mention in another forum's LVCO thread that Jurgen had considered including waveshapers on the VCO board, but decided to omit them because of space considerations.
> >
> > So Will and I looked at the MOTM300s and discerned the waveshapers on that, and had a lightbulb moment... why not implement Jurgen's idea using another oscillator's PCB's waveshapers? So we rummaged around and found the MFOS Osc. and figured out, in theory, how to do it.
> >
> > It's untested, but we see no reason it wouldn't work. We consulted a couple experts, and they concurred... but I'd have to look at our old email to remember exactly who and what.
> >
> > Probably we should ask Scott Deyo, Scott Juskiw, and Dave Brown to review our idea for a final thumbs-up.
> >
> > So let's all be forwarned, OK? I mean, it's not like Will and I have built and tested the damned thing... but, again, with some fiddling about the value of the input resistor to the CGS Osc. wave-shapers, it should be a no-brainer. (we've done our best to chart this out on our LVCO page so we wouldn't forget how we thought of doing it)
> >
> > SO THE 2U COMPANION MODULE:
> >
> > Another possibility we entertained was to put the 3 wave-shapers in a separate 2U module. We just didn't want to do that.
> >
> > But what does everybody think of that idea?
> >
> > The down-side is that the LVCO just lays out better in 7U anyway and if you're using 7U you have the space for the wave-shapers. So why not just do the 7U.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm on the fence, too. I feel like the 7U is a lot of extra money and
> >> work, but I will miss the sines if I skip 'em.... sigh...
> >>
> >> Scott Deyo
> >> contact@
> >> The Bridechamber
> >> www.bridechamber.com
> >> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> >> www.jealousedison.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, klstay wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sigh, so many modules so little time...
> >>>
> >>> I would pick up at least 1 of either, but prefer the 5U sans
> >>> waveshapers.
> >>>
> >>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of
> >>>> June, July shipping hopefully.
> >>>>
> >>>> How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-
> >>>> list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too
> >>> many!
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott Deyo
> >>>> contact@
> >>>> The Bridechamber
> >>>> www.bridechamber.com
> >>>> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> >>>> www.jealousedison.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living
> >>> VCO-
> >>>>> plus-waveshapers large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-
> >>>>> waveshapers and with small-knobs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't
> >>>>> know how to upload these - sorry):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a
> >>>>> funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U
> >>> version
> >>>>> most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Between these designs is the 5U version.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were
> >>>>> interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted
> >>> the
> >>>>> 5U version but nothing was decided further.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
> >>>>> http://www.modularsynthesis.com/jhaible/lvcos/jhlvcos.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look
> >>> like?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there an ETA?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Eric
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

RE: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-14 by Greg James

Another way to look at it: you're getting 3 VCOs plus a waveshaper module in
7U. That's pretty comparable to other options for that amount of horsepower.

-Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wjhall11
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:55 PM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

Yes - that's my position too - Will is more gung-ho on principle.

But you know - the wave-shapers could be made into a companion 2U module.

HISTORY:

See - I was blissfully proceeding down the 5U path when Will, pouring over
Jurgen's LVCO page, spotted Jurgen's mention of wave-shapers - that he
(Jurgen) was providing a place that the raw Osc. outputs could be hooked up
to waveshapers. Will even found mention in another forum's LVCO thread that
Jurgen had considered including waveshapers on the VCO board, but decided to
omit them because of space considerations.

So Will and I looked at the MOTM300s and discerned the waveshapers on that,
and had a lightbulb moment... why not implement Jurgen's idea using another
oscillator's PCB's waveshapers? So we rummaged around and found the MFOS
Osc. and figured out, in theory, how to do it.

It's untested, but we see no reason it wouldn't work. We consulted a couple
experts, and they concurred... but I'd have to look at our old email to
remember exactly who and what.

Probably we should ask Scott Deyo, Scott Juskiw, and Dave Brown to review
our idea for a final thumbs-up.

So let's all be forwarned, OK? I mean, it's not like Will and I have built
and tested the damned thing... but, again, with some fiddling about the
value of the input resistor to the CGS Osc. wave-shapers, it should be a
no-brainer. (we've done our best to chart this out on our LVCO page so we
wouldn't forget how we thought of doing it)

SO THE 2U COMPANION MODULE:

Another possibility we entertained was to put the 3 wave-shapers in a
separate 2U module. We just didn't want to do that.

But what does everybody think of that idea?

The down-side is that the LVCO just lays out better in 7U anyway and if
you're using 7U you have the space for the wave-shapers. So why not just do
the 7U.

Bill



--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>
> I'm on the fence, too. I feel like the 7U is a lot of extra money and
> work, but I will miss the sines if I skip 'em.... sigh...
>
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison.com
>
>
>
>
> On May 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, klstay wrote:
>
> > Sigh, so many modules so little time...
> >
> > I would pick up at least 1 of either, but prefer the 5U sans
> > waveshapers.
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of
> > > June, July shipping hopefully.
> > >
> > > How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off-
> > > list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too
> > many!
> > >
> > > Scott Deyo
> > > contact@
> > > The Bridechamber
> > > www.bridechamber.com
> > > Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> > > www.jealousedison.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 12, 2010, at 1:51 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> > >
> > > > As I recall, a 7U version was generally accepted for the Living
> > VCO-
> > > > plus-waveshapers large-knob implementation, and a 5U version sans-
> > > > waveshapers and with small-knobs.
> > > >
> > > > Will and I put some designs on our Living VCO page here (I don't
> > > > know how to upload these - sorry):
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm
> > > >
> > > > At the top of the page is my favorite 7U version... but it has a
> > > > funky grid-offset and is not as well liked by others. The 7U
> > version
> > > > most-liked is the Greg-James/Will Hall version below that.
> > > >
> > > > Between these designs is the 5U version.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the discussion left off where a bunch of people were
> > > > interested in the GJ/WH 7U version, and a bunch of people wanted
> > the
> > > > 5U version but nothing was decided further.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Brown did a very cool 3U version, by the way:
> > > > http://www.modularsynthesis.com/jhaible/lvcos/jhlvcos.htm
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look
> > like?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there an ETA?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-15 by Todd

Is there a consensus on the big multi turn knobs vs a coarse / fine arrangement? I recently built a LVCO in Euro for bbow73 (picture at Muff's). We used the big multi turn gym locker knobs. They're cool,but they're not cheap.

Scott - If you go with a big knob setup PLEASE ADD THE SMALL ANTI-ROTATION HOLE.

-TF

P.S. Be sure to add the small antirotation hole. It needs to be perfect. I'm handy with my drill press, but it really needs to be perfect. I think I spent half a day getting those things lined up.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@...> wrote:
>
> Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
>
> Is there an ETA?
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-16 by jk@jasonkahn.net

hi peter

i just had a question about your panel: how did
you stamp all the parameter information onto the
metal.? i'd like to make my own panels and this
seem like a good way to go.

thanks for your help.

jasoj


> Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?
> Posted by: "peter foti" 11Hertz@... dr.photon
> Fri May 14, 2010 11:15 am (PDT)
>
>
> I'm not a MOTMer & I make my own panels, so I don't have much to add to this
> debate. I did however finish wiring my Living VCO module today. Its still on
> the bench being checked over and is not integrated into my system yet but is
> looking and sounding good so far.
>
> I managed a FRAC format panel design that has all the stock features and
> fits pretty comfortably (for me) on a 5U frac panel.
>
> Here's a pic of the module taken some time ago before beginning wiring:
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2564/3756079896_50132dd6fc_b.jpg
>
> peter

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-16 by adaaxs

It would probably be easier just to mark where you would drill a hole for anti rotation ala EMS. Drill it if you need it and save the expense, as it is this panel is going to be very pricey.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@...> wrote:
>
> Is there a consensus on the big multi turn knobs vs a coarse / fine arrangement? I recently built a LVCO in Euro for bbow73 (picture at Muff's). We used the big multi turn gym locker knobs. They're cool,but they're not cheap.
>
> Scott - If you go with a big knob setup PLEASE ADD THE SMALL ANTI-ROTATION HOLE.
>
> -TF
>
> P.S. Be sure to add the small antirotation hole. It needs to be perfect. I'm handy with my drill press, but it really needs to be perfect. I think I spent half a day getting those things lined up.
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@> wrote:
> >
> > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> >
> > Is there an ETA?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
> >
>

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-17 by Todd

With all due respect, I disagree. If all three holes are not perfect the verniers will not line up right. A small difference on the anti rotation hole equals a big difference with knob allignment. I can't imagine the additional three holes adding much to the cost.

-TF

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <ginowong@...> wrote:
>
> It would probably be easier just to mark where you would drill a hole for anti rotation ala EMS. Drill it if you need it and save the expense, as it is this panel is going to be very pricey.
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a consensus on the big multi turn knobs vs a coarse / fine arrangement? I recently built a LVCO in Euro for bbow73 (picture at Muff's). We used the big multi turn gym locker knobs. They're cool,but they're not cheap.
> >
> > Scott - If you go with a big knob setup PLEASE ADD THE SMALL ANTI-ROTATION HOLE.
> >
> > -TF
> >
> > P.S. Be sure to add the small antirotation hole. It needs to be perfect. I'm handy with my drill press, but it really needs to be perfect. I think I spent half a day getting those things lined up.
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> > >
> > > Is there an ETA?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eric
> > >
> >
>

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-17 by wjhall11

When Will and I were looking into the Verniers, we saw that different ones have different anti-rotation hole locations. But Scott could choose a couple of the most common dials and drill holes for them both as the anti-turning holes will be behind the dials and not seen. Just a thought. Oh - and I'd be happy to do the footwork and gather different dial specs. Bill


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@...> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, I disagree. If all three holes are not perfect the verniers will not line up right. A small difference on the anti rotation hole equals a big difference with knob allignment. I can't imagine the additional three holes adding much to the cost.
>
> -TF
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <ginowong@> wrote:
> >
> > It would probably be easier just to mark where you would drill a hole for anti rotation ala EMS. Drill it if you need it and save the expense, as it is this panel is going to be very pricey.
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a consensus on the big multi turn knobs vs a coarse / fine arrangement? I recently built a LVCO in Euro for bbow73 (picture at Muff's). We used the big multi turn gym locker knobs. They're cool,but they're not cheap.
> > >
> > > Scott - If you go with a big knob setup PLEASE ADD THE SMALL ANTI-ROTATION HOLE.
> > >
> > > -TF
> > >
> > > P.S. Be sure to add the small antirotation hole. It needs to be perfect. I'm handy with my drill press, but it really needs to be perfect. I think I spent half a day getting those things lined up.
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> > > >
> > > > Is there an ETA?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-17 by Eric Frampton

Sign me up for one 5U. I like the idea of a 2U waveshaper expansion if I find myself needing more sine waves later.

e

On May 14, 2010, at 6:42 AM, ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I'm looking to put the 5U on the next run, initiating beginning of 
June, July shipping hopefully.

How many are interested in the 5U? 7U? Feel free to contact me off- 
list too. I just want to make sure I make enough, and not way too many!

Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-18 by adaaxs

You are correct. However I had further concerns that didn't elucidate. Getting the DIY crowd to agree on a part choice is difficult. The disparity between these pots is worse than the Bourns vs Alpha argument that is still going on. I have some EMS Spares that I am using by Helipot and Beckman (I think). What is the next guy going to use? How do we accomodate everybody ?

You are still correct though,

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@...> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, I disagree. If all three holes are not perfect the verniers will not line up right. A small difference on the anti rotation hole equals a big difference with knob allignment. I can't imagine the additional three holes adding much to the cost.
>
> -TF
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <ginowong@> wrote:
> >
> > It would probably be easier just to mark where you would drill a hole for anti rotation ala EMS. Drill it if you need it and save the expense, as it is this panel is going to be very pricey.
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a consensus on the big multi turn knobs vs a coarse / fine arrangement? I recently built a LVCO in Euro for bbow73 (picture at Muff's). We used the big multi turn gym locker knobs. They're cool,but they're not cheap.
> > >
> > > Scott - If you go with a big knob setup PLEASE ADD THE SMALL ANTI-ROTATION HOLE.
> > >
> > > -TF
> > >
> > > P.S. Be sure to add the small antirotation hole. It needs to be perfect. I'm handy with my drill press, but it really needs to be perfect. I think I spent half a day getting those things lined up.
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> > > >
> > > > Is there an ETA?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-19 by Scott Deyo

If you'd be willing to do the spec-work, that would help it happen. 

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
Jealous Edison Record Kompany




On May 17, 2010, at 12:55 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

When Will and I were looking into the Verniers, we saw that different ones have different anti-rotation hole locations. But Scott could choose a couple of the most common dials and drill holes for them both as the anti-turning holes will be behind the dials and not seen. Just a thought. Oh - and I'd be happy to do the footwork and gather different dial specs. Bill

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@...> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, I disagree. If all three holes are not perfect the verniers will not line up right. A small difference on the anti rotation hole equals a big difference with knob allignment. I can't imagine the additional three holes adding much to the cost. 
> 
> -TF 
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <ginowong@> wrote:
> >
> > It would probably be easier just to mark where you would drill a hole for anti rotation ala EMS. Drill it if you need it and save the expense, as it is this panel is going to be very pricey.
> > 
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a consensus on the big multi turn knobs vs a coarse / fine arrangement? I recently built a LVCO in Euro for bbow73 (picture at Muff's). We used the big multi turn gym locker knobs. They're cool,but they're not cheap. 
> > > 
> > > Scott - If you go with a big knob setup PLEASE ADD THE SMALL ANTI-ROTATION HOLE. 
> > > 
> > > -TF
> > > 
> > > P.S. Be sure to add the small antirotation hole. It needs to be perfect. I'm handy with my drill press, but it really needs to be perfect. I think I spent half a day getting those things lined up.
> > > 
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton <eric@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should look like?
> > > > 
> > > > Is there an ETA?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


Re: Living VCO panels for MOTM?

2010-05-19 by krelnarb

Well, not to add anything constructive or helpful, I would prefer a narrower panel with verniers but a big wide one with wave shapers is cool too. Regardless of width I'm in for two (in 5U of course) :)

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
>
> If you'd be willing to do the spec-work, that would help it happen.
>
> Scott Deyo
> contact@...
> The Bridechamber
> www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> www.jealousedison.com
>
>
>
>
> On May 17, 2010, at 12:55 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>
> > When Will and I were looking into the Verniers, we saw that
> > different ones have different anti-rotation hole locations. But
> > Scott could choose a couple of the most common dials and drill holes
> > for them both as the anti-turning holes will be behind the dials and
> > not seen. Just a thought. Oh - and I'd be happy to do the footwork
> > and gather different dial specs. Bill
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <babysealclub@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > With all due respect, I disagree. If all three holes are not
> > perfect the verniers will not line up right. A small difference on
> > the anti rotation hole equals a big difference with knob allignment.
> > I can't imagine the additional three holes adding much to the cost.
> > >
> > > -TF
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <ginowong@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It would probably be easier just to mark where you would drill a
> > hole for anti rotation ala EMS. Drill it if you need it and save the
> > expense, as it is this panel is going to be very pricey.
> > > >
> > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Todd"
> > <babysealclub@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a consensus on the big multi turn knobs vs a coarse /
> > fine arrangement? I recently built a LVCO in Euro for bbow73
> > (picture at Muff's). We used the big multi turn gym locker knobs.
> > They're cool,but they're not cheap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott - If you go with a big knob setup PLEASE ADD THE SMALL
> > ANTI-ROTATION HOLE.
> > > > >
> > > > > -TF
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Be sure to add the small antirotation hole. It needs to
> > be perfect. I'm handy with my drill press, but it really needs to be
> > perfect. I think I spent half a day getting those things lined up.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Eric Frampton
> > <eric@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Was a consensus ever reached about what this panel should
> > look like?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there an ETA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Eric
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>