1U MOTM panel for three passive attenuators
2009-01-28 by Richard Brewster

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2009-01-28 by Richard Brewster
2009-01-28 by Scott Deyo
On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Richard Brewster wrote:
> I've realized that I could use some passive attenuators. Just 100K
> linear pots wired to jacks for in and out. Three could fit on a 1U
> MOTM-format panel in the same configuration as an Oakley Multi-Mix. I
> can easily make a FPE panel design for this, but wouldn't this be a
> nice
> addition to Bridechamber?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Richard Brewster
> http://www.pugix.com
>
>
>
2009-01-28 by David Moylan
That could easily be done, but they'll have to wait a bit until the current run is finished and paid for.
Good idea!
I was also planning on making one for DotCom cabinets, a partial width for all those MOTMers using DotCom cabs.
Cheers,
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com
On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Richard Brewster wrote:
I've realized that I could use some passive attenuators. Just 100K
linear pots wired to jacks for in and out. Three could fit on a 1U
MOTM-format panel in the same configuration as an Oakley Multi-Mix. I
can easily make a FPE panel design for this, but wouldn't this be a nice
addition to Bridechamber?
Thoughts?
-Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com
2009-01-28 by Scott Deyo
On Jan 28, 2009, at 8:38 AM, David Moylan wrote:
> I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful? Could
> probably be done with an MUUB.
>
> Dave
>
> Scott Deyo wrote:That could easily be done, but they'll have to wait
> a bit until the current run is finished and paid for.
>>
>> Good idea!
>>
>> I was also planning on making one for DotCom cabinets, a partial
>> width for all those MOTMers using DotCom cabs.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Scott Deyo
>> The Bridechamber
>> contact@...
>> http://www.bridechamber.com
>> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
>> http://www.jealousedison.com
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Richard Brewster wrote:
>>
>>> I've realized that I could use some passive attenuators. Just 100K
>>> linear pots wired to jacks for in and out. Three could fit on a 1U
>>> MOTM-format panel in the same configuration as an Oakley Multi-Mix.
>>> I
>>> can easily make a FPE panel design for this, but wouldn't this be a
>>> nice
>>> addition to Bridechamber?
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Richard Brewster
>>> http://www.pugix.com
>>>
>
>
>
2009-01-28 by Mark
>I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful?Yes, and it could also be done with the CGS utility boards. Both of
>Could probably be done with an MUUB.
2009-01-29 by Richard Brewster
> I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful? Could
> probably be done with an MUUB.
>
> Dave
>
> Scott Deyo wrote:
>> That could easily be done, but they'll have to wait a bit until the
>> current run is finished and paid for.
>>
>> Good idea!
>>
>> I was also planning on making one for DotCom cabinets, a partial
>> width for all those MOTMers using DotCom cabs.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Scott Deyo
>> The Bridechamber
>> contact@...
>> http://www.bridechamber.com
>> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
>> http://www.jealousedison.com
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Richard Brewster wrote:
>>
>> I've realized that I could use some passive attenuators. Just 100K
>> linear pots wired to jacks for in and out. Three could fit on a 1U
>> MOTM-format panel in the same configuration as an Oakley
>> Multi-Mix. I
>> can easily make a FPE panel design for this, but wouldn't this be
>> a nice
>> addition to Bridechamber?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> -Richard Brewster
>> http://www.pugix.com
>>
>
>
2009-01-29 by Richard Brewster
> On 1/28/09, David Moylan put forth:
>
>> I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful?
>> Could probably be done with an MUUB.
>>
>
> Yes, and it could also be done with the CGS utility boards. Both of
> which are much more cost-effective options than buying the Oakley
> boards. However, I don't see why you couldn't use the Multi-Mix
> panel. The one I have is Stooge, but doesn't Scott already make one??
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
2009-01-29 by Richard Brewster
> For this application I want to use passive simple attenuators. I
> already have two Oakley Multi-Mix and two Blacet Mixers with
> reversible, center-off, active attenuators. These lack the simplicity
> of a pot that just goes from zero to 100 percent. I have a number of
> non-attenuated CV inputs on various modules where I'd just like to
> patch a passive attenuator.
>
> Richard Brewster
> http://www.pugix.com
>
> David Moylan wrote:
>> I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful? Could
>> probably be done with an MUUB.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Scott Deyo wrote:
>>> That could easily be done, but they'll have to wait a bit until the
>>> current run is finished and paid for.
>>>
>>> Good idea!
>>>
>>> I was also planning on making one for DotCom cabinets, a partial
>>> width for all those MOTMers using DotCom cabs.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Scott Deyo
>>> The Bridechamber
>>> contact@...
>>> http://www.bridechamber.com
>>> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
>>> http://www.jealousedison.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Richard Brewster wrote:
>>>
>>> I've realized that I could use some passive attenuators. Just 100K
>>> linear pots wired to jacks for in and out. Three could fit on a 1U
>>> MOTM-format panel in the same configuration as an Oakley
>>> Multi-Mix. I
>>> can easily make a FPE panel design for this, but wouldn't this be
>>> a nice
>>> addition to Bridechamber?
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Richard Brewster
>>> http://www.pugix.com
>>>
2009-01-29 by John L Rice
Couldn’t you just use the Multi-Mix panel backwards, so the blank side faces front? ;-)
John L Rice
From:
ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Brewster
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:15 PM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] 1U MOTM panel for three passive
attenuators
Yes, Scott has a Multi-Mix panel. But for the
reasons I've stated that
doesn't work for me. It would work for reversible attenuators, if you
don't mind the panel fibbing about the module name.
Richard Brewster
Mark wrote:
> On 1/28/09, David Moylan put forth:
>
>> I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful?
>> Could probably be done with an MUUB.
>>
>
> Yes, and it could also be done with the CGS utility boards. Both of
> which are much more cost-effective options than buying the Oakley
> boards. However, I don't see why you couldn't use the Multi-Mix
> panel. The one I have is Stooge, but doesn't Scott already make one??
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
2009-01-29 by David Moylan
Couldn’t you just use the Multi-Mix panel backwards, so the blank side faces front? ;-)
John L Rice
From: ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ModularSynt hPanels@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Brewster
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:15 PM
To: ModularSynthPanels@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels ] 1U MOTM panel for three passive attenuators
Yes, Scott has a Multi-Mix panel. But for the reasons I've stated that
doesn't work for me. It would work for reversible attenuators, if you
don't mind the panel fibbing about the module name.
Richard Brewster
Mark wrote:
> On 1/28/09, David Moylan put forth:
>
>> I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful?
>> Could probably be done with an MUUB.
>>
>
> Yes, and it could also be done with the CGS utility boards. Both of
> which are much more cost-effective options than buying the Oakley
> boards. However, I don't see why you couldn't use the Multi-Mix
> panel. The one I have is Stooge, but doesn't Scott already make one??
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
2009-01-29 by Scott Deyo
On Jan 29, 2009, at 7:53 AM, David Moylan wrote:
> Or screen print both sides slightly differently.
>
> Dave
>
> John L Rice wrote:Couldn’t you just use the Multi-Mix panel
> backwards, so the blank side faces front? ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> John L Rice
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>> Brewster
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:15 PM
>> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] 1U MOTM panel for three passive
>> attenuators
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, Scott has a Multi-Mix panel. But for the reasons I've stated that
>> doesn't work for me. It would work for reversible attenuators, if you
>> don't mind the panel fibbing about the module name.
>>
>> Richard Brewster
>>
>> Mark wrote:
>> > On 1/28/09, David Moylan put forth:
>> >
>> >> I like this idea but wouldn't 3 attenu-verters be more useful?
>> >> Could probably be done with an MUUB.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes, and it could also be done with the CGS utility boards. Both of
>> > which are much more cost-effective options than buying the Oakley
>> > boards. However, I don't see why you couldn't use the Multi-Mix
>> > panel. The one I have is Stooge, but doesn't Scott already make
>> one??
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
2009-01-29 by Scott Juskiw
2009-01-29 by Jason Proctor
>Couldn't you just use the Multi-Mix panel backwards, so the blank
>side faces front? ;-)
>
>John L Rice
>
2009-01-29 by krisp
----- Original Message -----From: Scott JuskiwSent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:02 PMSubject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] 1U MOTM panel for three passive attenuatorsA possible option might be to roll your own port-a-pots:
http://moogarchives .com/portapot. htm
Saves eating up panel space. And if you need 10 of them one day, just
build yourself 10 of them.
Would be nice of some company actually made these for general purpose
use: injection molded one piece tubular design with a small pot on the
side, wouldn't need to have a big knob sticking out like the Moog ones.
2009-01-30 by Richard Brewster
> I had to try this and it works like a dream
> I have a whole bunch of the Move-A-Mult and now to build some more
> Port-A-Pot's
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Scott Juskiw <mailto:scott@...>
> *To:* ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:02 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [ModularSynthPanels] 1U MOTM panel for three
> passive attenuators
>
> A possible option might be to roll your own port-a-pots:
>
> http://moogarchives.com/portapot.htm
> <http://moogarchives.com/portapot.htm>
>
> Saves eating up panel space. And if you need 10 of them one day, just
> build yourself 10 of them.
>
> Would be nice of some company actually made these for general purpose
> use: injection molded one piece tubular design with a small pot on
> the
> side, wouldn't need to have a big knob sticking out like the Moog
> ones.
>
>
2009-01-30 by data2action
>
> These Radio Shack Y adapters work nicely for the "Move-A-Mult" idea. I
> have half a dozen.
>
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103712
>
> I like the Port-A-Pot idea, except the pot will interfere with cables
> plugged into nearby jacks. This gives me the idea to build a pot and
> two jacks into a little box that I can run patch cables to. That way I
> don't need to use valuable cabinet space for a panel with passive
> attenuators (although that would be a tidier approach).
>
> Richard Brewster
> http://www.pugix.com
>
2009-01-30 by Mark
>A possible option might be to roll your own port-a-pots:
>
>http://moogarchives.com/portapot.htm
>
>Saves eating up panel space. And if you need 10 of them one day, just
>build yourself 10 of them.
>
>Would be nice of some company actually made these for general purpose
>use: injection molded one piece tubular design with a small pot on the
>side, wouldn't need to have a big knob sticking out like the Moog ones.
2009-01-30 by wjhall11
--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
>
> Very interesting, but from just looking at them, they don't seem all
> that mechanically reliable. You can also put attenuators, mults,
> and other passive circuits (rectifiers, high pass filters, etc) in
> little boxes. I've seen people use breath mint tins, plastic food
> containers, film canisters, etc. Fine for home use, imho.
>
> On 1/29/09, Scott Juskiw put forth:
> >A possible option might be to roll your own port-a-pots:
> >
> >http://moogarchives.com/portapot.htm
> >
> >Saves eating up panel space. And if you need 10 of them one day, just
> >build yourself 10 of them.
> >
> >Would be nice of some company actually made these for general purpose
> >use: injection molded one piece tubular design with a small pot on the
> >side, wouldn't need to have a big knob sticking out like the Moog ones.
>
2009-01-31 by Richard Brewster
> like this, more or less?:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModularSynthPanels/photos/album/525459013/pic/1523257515/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
>
> i'm also a big fan of y-cords, mostly diy 1/8"... hate wasting panel
> real-estate, and y-cords are can always go right where you need 'em.
>
> b
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster
> <pugix@...> wrote:
>
>> These Radio Shack Y adapters work nicely for the "Move-A-Mult" idea. I
>> have half a dozen.
>>
>> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103712
>>
>> I like the Port-A-Pot idea, except the pot will interfere with cables
>> plugged into nearby jacks. This gives me the idea to build a pot and
>> two jacks into a little box that I can run patch cables to. That way I
>> don't need to use valuable cabinet space for a panel with passive
>> attenuators (although that would be a tidier approach).
>>
>> Richard Brewster
>> http://www.pugix.com
>>
>>
2009-01-31 by Mark
>Will just pointed out that if we use 100K lin pots for such a gadget,
>we could have a switch to send the signal through a couple op-amps
>with resistors to make the pot act like a log pot... so we could
>switch each pot between lin (truly passive) and log (via op amps and
>resistors set to unity gain). He's thinking Tellun MUUB4. Kind of a
>cool idea. I'll ask him to explore the little circuit design. So
>this would be an added benefit of building it into a 1U panel... that
>it could have this active component just for fun. Bill and Will
2009-01-31 by wjhall11
--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
>
> While that might be fun, and possibly educational, being able to
> switch between linear and a log response isn't all that practical.
> While most audio level controls have a log response, it isn't
> necessary. I've mixed and attenuated audio signals with my Oakley
> Multimix, CGS Tube VCA, and other gizmos with linear knobs without
> any problems.
>
> However, what might be more fun for Will is seeing how many synth
> functions he can accomplish without using any power. All sorts of
> waveshapers, filters, rectifiers, pulse stretchers, logic functions,
> etc., even an approximation of an attenuator that switches between
> linear/log, can be built using only passive components, if one were
> so inclined.
>
> On 1/30/09, wjhall11 put forth:
> >Will just pointed out that if we use 100K lin pots for such a gadget,
> >we could have a switch to send the signal through a couple op-amps
> >with resistors to make the pot act like a log pot... so we could
> >switch each pot between lin (truly passive) and log (via op amps and
> >resistors set to unity gain). He's thinking Tellun MUUB4. Kind of a
> >cool idea. I'll ask him to explore the little circuit design. So
> >this would be an added benefit of building it into a 1U panel... that
> >it could have this active component just for fun. Bill and Will
>
2009-02-01 by Mark
>OK, we're biting <G> - where do we learn about these passive circuits?It's where most most introductory textbooks on electronics start.
2009-02-02 by Mark
> Say you want to change the input of a ring mod fromWoops, that should have read "DC-coupled to AC-coupled".
> being AC-coupled to DC-coupled.
2009-02-04 by doctorvague
--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@...> wrote:
>
> OK, we're biting <G> - where do we learn about these passive circuits?
> Bill and Will
2009-02-05 by Mark
>This thread has a bunch of ideas including my 2-parts count passive VCF:
>
>http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26643