Modular Synth Panels

----- Original Message ----
From: Scott Deyo <contact@...>
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 9:34:45 AM
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Next Panel Run Part One


Hello All,

I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq), but they will be rolling 
here soon.
In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the CADs for, just to keep the 
ball rolling.
Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is being painted and 
silkscreened this week.

The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
Analog Computer
Double Multiples
CV Cluster
Modulo Magic
Burst Generator
Synthacon 
more Tau Pipe 
Yu ARP Filter
Multiples
Yu Saw Animator
Fritz AD/R
more ADSRs and such

The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
Yu Standards
MFOS Seq
Klee
CVS
JH Triple Chorus
OMS820
Oakley SVF
Triple Glide
Fritz super-secret circuit
WRS/ ASM

DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
Optic CV Processor
Threeler
Bintic
Wave Mults
Chaquo
Tau Pipe

What am I missing? 

Cheers,
Scott

> silkscreened this week.
> 
> The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
> Analog Computer
> Double Multiples
> CV Cluster
> Modulo Magic
> Burst Generator
> Synthacon		
> more Tau Pipe	
> Yu ARP Filter
> Multiples
> Yu Saw Animator
> Fritz AD/R
> more ADSRs and such
> 
> The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> Yu Standards
> MFOS Seq
> Klee
> CVS
> JH Triple Chorus
> OMS820
> Oakley SVF
> Triple Glide
> Fritz super-secret circuit
> WRS/ ASM
> 
> DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> Optic CV Processor
> Threeler
> Bintic
> Wave Mults
> Chaquo
> Tau Pipe
> 
> What am I missing? 
> 
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:

>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
>> but they will be rolling
>> here soon.
>> In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
>> CADs for, just to keep the
>> ball rolling.
>> Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
>> being painted and
>> silkscreened this week.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>
> I'd like to see:
>
> TLN-854 Sword of Kahless
> TLN-861 Dunsel
> TLN-863 Max Min Generator
> TLN-867 Tuner & Headphone Monitor
>
> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904
> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)
>
> Panel layout details are available on my website for all of these, I
> can also email them to you.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> WOW!! Sooo many I want to get! Will the synthacon have a mix in like
> Elby designs? What's WRS/ASM and CVS?  Will there be a 1U with Encore
> style knobs CGS super psycho LFO coming up? 
> 
> I was looking at your designs in the files section to see what some of
> your planned panels might look like but alot of them don't have any
> files attached to the links. 
> 
> I'd be interested in seeing what your Burst generator looks like and
> the Threeler VCF, and the standards panel too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> > 
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> but they will be rolling 
> > here soon.
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> CADs for, just to keep the 
> > ball rolling.
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> being painted and 
> > silkscreened this week.
> > 
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
> > Analog Computer
> > Double Multiples
> > CV Cluster
> > Modulo Magic
> > Burst Generator
> > Synthacon		
> > more Tau Pipe	
> > Yu ARP Filter
> > Multiples
> > Yu Saw Animator
> > Fritz AD/R
> > more ADSRs and such
> > 
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> > Yu Standards
> > MFOS Seq
> > Klee
> > CVS
> > JH Triple Chorus
> > OMS820
> > Oakley SVF
> > Triple Glide
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
> > WRS/ ASM
> > 
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> > Optic CV Processor
> > Threeler
> > Bintic
> > Wave Mults
> > Chaquo
> > Tau Pipe
> > 
> > What am I missing? 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Scott
> >
>

>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),  
> > but they will be rolling
> > here soon.
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the  
> > CADs for, just to keep the
> > ball rolling.
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is  
> > being painted and
> > silkscreened this week.
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> 
> I'd like to see:
> 
> TLN-854 Sword of Kahless
> TLN-861 Dunsel
> TLN-863 Max Min Generator
> TLN-867 Tuner & Headphone Monitor
> 
> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904  
> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)
> 
> Panel layout details are available on my website for all of these, I  
> can also email them to you.
>

>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@> wrote:
> >
> > and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> 
> 
> YES!!!
> 
> No disrespect, but when I look at the 5U version, all I can think is
> "are you guys crazy?" ;)
>

> silkscreened this week.
> 
> The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
> Analog Computer
> Double Multiples
> CV Cluster
> Modulo Magic
> Burst Generator
> Synthacon		
> more Tau Pipe	
> Yu ARP Filter
> Multiples
> Yu Saw Animator
> Fritz AD/R
> more ADSRs and such
> 
> The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> Yu Standards
> MFOS Seq
> Klee
> CVS
> JH Triple Chorus
> OMS820
> Oakley SVF
> Triple Glide
> Fritz super-secret circuit
> WRS/ ASM
> 
> DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> Optic CV Processor
> Threeler
> Bintic
> Wave Mults
> Chaquo
> Tau Pipe
> 
> What am I missing? 
> 
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

> > >
> > > and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> > 
> > 
> > YES!!!
> > 
> > No disrespect, but when I look at the 5U version, all I can think is
> > "are you guys crazy?" ;)
> >
>

>
> Ahh, now I see why no concern over real estate. There are 2 of you!
> That's twice as many hands to build cabinets. Also, when one of you is
> about to pass out while running from one side of the modular to the
> other to make a patch you can pass the baton, er,  patch cord ;)
> 
> Speaking of crazy, now I'm leaning towards cramming Scott's version
> plus maybe a couple of your sine waves on 2U :O
> 
> I started building standard MOTM modules, but I'm probably going to
> end up with the Mattson Mini Modular.
> 
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew - for the record... no disrespect taken at all - and yes, we
> > are crazy.  <LOL>
> > 
> > As the originators of the perverse 5U version, we freely acknowledge
> > the advantage of Scott J's original 3U version... real estate!  And
> > the 3U version also presents the four - what - "channels"? in a way
> > that may be slightly more intuitive for some users.  With my
> > human-engineering hat on, I see the benefit in both designs.
> > 
> > In our case (due to our self-avowed insanity <G>) real-estate is not
> > an issue.
> > 
> > Just a note - lest we forget - that the true, distinct benefit of the
> > 5U design (a fringe benefit, in a way, from trying to make a strictly
> > MOTM compatible design) is that the 5U version has the space for the
> > four outputs Scott says he left out of the 3U design - the SINE jacks.
> >  So for those that want those outputs, the 5U version is probably the
> > way to go.  But otherwise... hey...
> > 
> > Clearly, it's great that Scott Deyo will manufacture the 3U version
> > this run.  
> > 
> > Again - no offense taken - ever - and further, we agree... the 3U
> > version is great... we'll put it up on the DragonflyAlley.com site
> > along with the 5U version.
> > 
> > Bill and Will
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "andrewlistmayer"
> > <andrewlistmayer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> > > 
> > > 
> > > YES!!!
> > > 
> > > No disrespect, but when I look at the 5U version, all I can think is
> > > "are you guys crazy?" ;)
> > >
> >
>

>
> Scott Deyo wrote:
> > What am I missing? 
> 
> JH Krautrock phaser?  You have the Tau and the Solina Chorus...
> 
> Paul
>

>
> Nice (metal) work Scott!
> 
> I need virtually all of those, I'm really excited about the analog
> computer, regarding anything you might have forgot:
> 
> Other CGS panels I need are:
> 
> CGS VC Divider
> CGS Sequential Switch
> CGS Master Divider
> CGS Super Psycho LFO
> CGS Infinite Melody/ Diatonic Converter
> 
> Also will need:
> 
> Jurgen Haible Krautrock
> Jurgen Haible Frequency Shifter
> Jurgen Haible String Filter
> Jurgen Haible Interpolating Scanner
> Blacet Miniwave plus Expander Panel
> Blacet Binary Zone
> CGS Stomp Box Adapter
> Fonik's Korg PS3100 Resonator
> 
> Cheers Julian
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> > 
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> but they will be rolling 
> > here soon.
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> CADs for, just to keep the 
> > ball rolling.
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> being painted and 
> > silkscreened this week.
> > 
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
> > Analog Computer
> > Double Multiples
> > CV Cluster
> > Modulo Magic
> > Burst Generator
> > Synthacon		
> > more Tau Pipe	
> > Yu ARP Filter
> > Multiples
> > Yu Saw Animator
> > Fritz AD/R
> > more ADSRs and such
> > 
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> > Yu Standards
> > MFOS Seq
> > Klee
> > CVS
> > JH Triple Chorus
> > OMS820
> > Oakley SVF
> > Triple Glide
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
> > WRS/ ASM
> > 
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> > Optic CV Processor
> > Threeler
> > Bintic
> > Wave Mults
> > Chaquo
> > Tau Pipe
> > 
> > What am I missing? 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Scott
> >
>

>> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
>> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904  
>> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)
>>     
> <G> We'll be building 17 <gasp!>
>
> Thanks for reminding us about all these, Scott (the this).  We wanted
> to chime in so Scott (the other) knows the demand!  (although he's
> painfully aware of the 17 904s 'cause we've been bugging him so fiercely.)
>
> Bill and Will
>

> >
> > Bill and Will
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Juskiw

To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:49 PM

Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Panel for JH String Filter

I just got my boards for the JH String Filter and I'm seriously
tempted to turn this into a 40 channel filter bank (using pots, not
sliders). I've drawn up a few MOTM-format panel layouts on paper and
will try to upload some images this weekend. We're talking 40 pots
here, just for the filters, plus:

4 pots (input level, Q level, Q CV level, stereo spread)
4 switches (partials 1,2,3,4)
4 jacks (signal input, Q CV input, left out, right out)

Did I miss anything?

I suppose you could leave out the 4 partial switches since each filter
has it's own dedicated level pot, but I'd still like to keep them in.
I've got three layouts at the moment:

1. 10U wide using standard (large) MOTM knobs
2. 5U wide using small knobs (like on Encore UEG)
3. 6U wide using small knobs for the 40 filters and large knobs for
the other 4 pots

I'll build a prototype (using plastic) for either #2 or #3 to make
sure it all works properly first.

Is anyone else interested in pursuing this?

Has somebody else already started working on an MOTM-format panel for
this?

>
> 
> 
> On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:
> 
> > Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> > the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U  
> > would be 2 big
> > Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3  
> > set's 180 sm caps
> > I needed a beer after that I can tell you
> 
> I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder some  
> through-hole caps onto those pads.
> 
> > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
> 
> I see it, thanks.
>

>
> 
> 
> On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:
> 
> > Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> > the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U  
> > would be 2 big
> > Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3  
> > set's 180 sm caps
> > I needed a beer after that I can tell you
> 
> I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder some  
> through-hole caps onto those pads.
> 
> > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
> 
> I see it, thanks.
>

> silkscreened this week.
> 
> The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
> Analog Computer
> Double Multiples
> CV Cluster
> Modulo Magic
> Burst Generator
> Synthacon		
> more Tau Pipe	
> Yu ARP Filter
> Multiples
> Yu Saw Animator
> Fritz AD/R
> more ADSRs and such
> 
> The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> Yu Standards
> MFOS Seq
> Klee
> CVS
> JH Triple Chorus
> OMS820
> Oakley SVF
> Triple Glide
> Fritz super-secret circuit
> WRS/ ASM
> 
> DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> Optic CV Processor
> Threeler
> Bintic
> Wave Mults
> Chaquo
> Tau Pipe
> 
> What am I missing? 
> 
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

>
> 
> Blacet already does kits.
> 
> ah, u mean, Blacet in MOTM format - no?
> 
> myself, i need a wogglebug kit!!!  
> 
> d.
> 
> 
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> From: lexvortex@...
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:56:09 +0000
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Next Panel Run Part One
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
>             Hi Scott,
> 
>   
> 
>   I would love to see some Blacet designs, the VCO, Binary zone, VCA
> 
> 2200 with CV attenuators, Miniwave but the expanded version and the EG
> 
> 1 but with CV attenuators.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > Hello All,
> 
> > 
> 
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> 
> but they will be rolling 
> 
> > here soon.
> 
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> 
> CADs for, just to keep the 
> 
> > ball rolling.
> 
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> 
> being painted and 
> 
> > silkscreened this week.
> 
> > 
> 
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
> 
> > Analog Computer
> 
> > Double Multiples
> 
> > CV Cluster
> 
> > Modulo Magic
> 
> > Burst Generator
> 
> > Synthacon		
> 
> > more Tau Pipe	
> 
> > Yu ARP Filter
> 
> > Multiples
> 
> > Yu Saw Animator
> 
> > Fritz AD/R
> 
> > more ADSRs and such
> 
> > 
> 
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> 
> > Yu Standards
> 
> > MFOS Seq
> 
> > Klee
> 
> > CVS
> 
> > JH Triple Chorus
> 
> > OMS820
> 
> > Oakley SVF
> 
> > Triple Glide
> 
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
> 
> > WRS/ ASM
> 
> > 
> 
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> 
> > Optic CV Processor
> 
> > Threeler
> 
> > Bintic
> 
> > Wave Mults
> 
> > Chaquo
> 
> > Tau Pipe
> 
> > 
> 
> > What am I missing? 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Cheers,
> 
> > Scott
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
>     
>     
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 	
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> 	
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
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>
> 
> Blacet already does kits.
> 
> ah, u mean, Blacet in MOTM format - no?
> 
> myself, i need a wogglebug kit!!!  
> 
> d.
> 
> 
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> From: lexvortex@...
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:56:09 +0000
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Next Panel Run Part One
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
>             Hi Scott,
> 
>   
> 
>   I would love to see some Blacet designs, the VCO, Binary zone, VCA
> 
> 2200 with CV attenuators, Miniwave but the expanded version and the EG
> 
> 1 but with CV attenuators.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > Hello All,
> 
> > 
> 
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> 
> but they will be rolling 
> 
> > here soon.
> 
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> 
> CADs for, just to keep the 
> 
> > ball rolling.
> 
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> 
> being painted and 
> 
> > silkscreened this week.
> 
> > 
> 
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here): 
> 
> > Analog Computer
> 
> > Double Multiples
> 
> > CV Cluster
> 
> > Modulo Magic
> 
> > Burst Generator
> 
> > Synthacon		
> 
> > more Tau Pipe	
> 
> > Yu ARP Filter
> 
> > Multiples
> 
> > Yu Saw Animator
> 
> > Fritz AD/R
> 
> > more ADSRs and such
> 
> > 
> 
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> 
> > Yu Standards
> 
> > MFOS Seq
> 
> > Klee
> 
> > CVS
> 
> > JH Triple Chorus
> 
> > OMS820
> 
> > Oakley SVF
> 
> > Triple Glide
> 
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
> 
> > WRS/ ASM
> 
> > 
> 
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> 
> > Optic CV Processor
> 
> > Threeler
> 
> > Bintic
> 
> > Wave Mults
> 
> > Chaquo
> 
> > Tau Pipe
> 
> > 
> 
> > What am I missing? 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Cheers,
> 
> > Scott
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
>     
>     
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
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>
> Oh - we put together a BOM... it's here:
> 
> http://www.dragonflyalley.com/images/JHStringFilter/jHstringFilter-parts.xls
> 
> It's not perfect... but it's close.  Let us know about any problems, OK?
> 
> Thanks.  Bill and Will
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:
> > 
> > > Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> > > the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U  
> > > would be 2 big
> > > Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3  
> > > set's 180 sm caps
> > > I needed a beer after that I can tell you
> > 
> > I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder some  
> > through-hole caps onto those pads.
> > 
> > > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
> > 
> > I see it, thanks.
> >
>

> > > through-hole caps onto those pads.
> > > 
> > > > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
> > > 
> > > I see it, thanks.
> > >
> >
>

On 3-Jul-08, at 1:49 PM, Scott Juskiw wrote:

> I just got my boards for the JH String Filter and I'm seriously
> tempted to turn this into a 40 channel filter bank (using pots, not
> sliders). I've drawn up a few MOTM-format panel layouts on paper and
> will try to upload some images this weekend. We're talking 40 pots
> here, just for the filters, plus:
>
> 4 pots (input level, Q level, Q CV level, stereo spread)
> 4 switches (partials 1,2,3,4)
> 4 jacks (signal input, Q CV input, left out, right out)
>
> Did I miss anything?
>
> I suppose you could leave out the 4 partial switches since each filter
> has it's own dedicated level pot, but I'd still like to keep them in.
> I've got three layouts at the moment:
>
> 1. 10U wide using standard (large) MOTM knobs
> 2. 5U wide using small knobs (like on Encore UEG)
> 3. 6U wide using small knobs for the 40 filters and large knobs for
> the other 4 pots
>
> I'll build a prototype (using plastic) for either #2 or #3 to make
> sure it all works properly first.
>
> Is anyone else interested in pursuing this?
>
> Has somebody else already started working on an MOTM-format panel for
> this?
>

>
> I've posted a better panel layout:
> 
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
> 
> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for  
> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label above  
> each one.
>

On 8-Jul-08, at 6:15 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> Oh - and we thought we were insane.
>
> As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
> control the levels?
>
> We like the staggered-knob approach better.
>
> Bill and Will
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> I've posted a better panel layout:
>>
>> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
>>
>> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
>> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label  
>> above
>> each one.
>>
>
>
>

> > each one.
> >
>

> > >
> > > I've posted a better panel layout:
> > > 
> > > http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
> > > 
> > > I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for  
> > > more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label
> above  
> > > each one.
> > >
> >
>

On 8-Jul-08, at 9:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> <groan>  OK - OK -
>
> So - if we're going to build it with all those separate dinky little
> knobs, we will want the 6U version so that the "standard" unit is on
> the right... but here's our stipulation... we want to make sure we can
> easily have Jurgen's original standard "depths" so that we can make it
> sound like his design intent.
>
> So - how do we build it thus?  Do we make it so that the full depth of
> each band (meaning when the band knob is turned full right) is the
> original depth?  Or do we HAVE to build two of these things - one
> standard and one with the dinky-knobs (SAVE US!)?
>
> Oh no! Aaaaaah!
>
> Bill (Will is ignoring me)
>
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "clickmrmike" <mrmike@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@>  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh - and we thought we were insane.
>>
>> You are insane.  So am I.  That's why we're going to build this.
>>
>>>
>>> As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
>>> control the levels?
>>>
>>
>> It's an easy-peasy tap off the summing node, I think.
>>
>>> We like the staggered-knob approach better.
>>>
>>
>> Yep.  The little PKES knobs in Tellun stagger format.  Hash marks
>> would be nice, but would make for a very busy panel, methinks.
>>
>>> Bill and Will
>>>
>>>
>>
>> mrmike
>>
>>>
>>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've posted a better panel layout:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
>>>>
>>>> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
>>>> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label
>> above
>>>> each one.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> Consider the 4U 40-pot section to be an extension to your 2U layout.  
> Maybe it could even be a separate panel, then those who don't want all  
> the knobs can just use your 2U panel.
> 
> With all the pots fully clockwise the response should be identical to  
> the "stock" version. With the pots fully counter-clockwise it should  
> be completely silent. So you can dial in just the bands you want, and  
> just the amounts you want.
> 
> You don't need to build two (but I am because I'm 2x insane).
> 
> On 8-Jul-08, at 9:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> 
> > <groan>  OK - OK -
> >
> > So - if we're going to build it with all those separate dinky little
> > knobs, we will want the 6U version so that the "standard" unit is on
> > the right... but here's our stipulation... we want to make sure we can
> > easily have Jurgen's original standard "depths" so that we can make it
> > sound like his design intent.
> >
> > So - how do we build it thus?  Do we make it so that the full depth of
> > each band (meaning when the band knob is turned full right) is the
> > original depth?  Or do we HAVE to build two of these things - one
> > standard and one with the dinky-knobs (SAVE US!)?
> >
> > Oh no! Aaaaaah!
> >
> > Bill (Will is ignoring me)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "clickmrmike" <mrmike@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@>  
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh - and we thought we were insane.
> >>
> >> You are insane.  So am I.  That's why we're going to build this.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
> >>> control the levels?
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's an easy-peasy tap off the summing node, I think.
> >>
> >>> We like the staggered-knob approach better.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yep.  The little PKES knobs in Tellun stagger format.  Hash marks
> >> would be nice, but would make for a very busy panel, methinks.
> >>
> >>> Bill and Will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> mrmike
> >>
> >>>
> >>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've posted a better panel layout:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
> >>>>
> >>>> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
> >>>> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label
> >> above
> >>>> each one.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> Well then, this is the best case scenario!  OK - now what little knob
> are you basing your design on?  The dinkyer version of the standard
> MOTM knob?  Bill and Will

>
> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's  
> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
> 
> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> 
> > Well then, this is the best case scenario!  OK - now what little knob
> > are you basing your design on?  The dinkyer version of the standard
> > MOTM knob?  Bill and Will
>

> It's probably a knockoff, but they have the exact same dinky knob(as
> far as I can tell) at small bear
>
> http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=105
>
> I just got 100 for $45
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>>
>> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
>> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
>>
>> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>>
>> > Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little knob
>> > are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the standard
>> > MOTM knob? Bill and Will
>>
>
>

On Jul 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Dave Leith wrote:

> Allied also has the Davies version of the knob (brass phenolic) Allied
>  Stock#: 543-1105
>
>   
> <https://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=543 
> -1105&MPN=1105&R=543-1105&SEARCH=543-1105&DESC=1105? 
> utm_source=Allied&utm_medium=merchandising&utm_campaign=Allied_Top_Sell 
> ers&utm_content=543-1105>
>
>  On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM, andrewlistmayer
>  <andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:
>  > It's probably a knockoff, but they have the exact same dinky knob(as
>  > far as I can tell) at small bear
>  >
>  > http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=105
>  >
>  > I just got 100 for $45
>  >
>  > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...>  
> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
>  >> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
>  >>
>  >> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>  >>
>  >> > Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little  
> knob
>  >> > are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the  
> standard
>  >> > MOTM knob? Bill and Will
>  >>
>  >
>  >
>  
>

>
> And they (or some like that) are at Jameco too:
> http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId= 
> -1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=264990
> 
> Scott Deyo
> The Bridechamber
> contact@...
> http://www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> http://www.jealousedison.com
> 
> 
> On Jul 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Dave Leith wrote:
> 
> > Allied also has the Davies version of the knob (brass phenolic) Allied
> >  Stock#: 543-1105
> >
> >   
> > <https://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=543 
> > -1105&MPN=1105&R=543-1105&SEARCH=543-1105&DESC=1105? 
> > utm_source=Allied&utm_medium=merchandising&utm_campaign=Allied_Top_Sell 
> > ers&utm_content=543-1105>
> >
> >  On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM, andrewlistmayer
> >  <andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:
> >  > It's probably a knockoff, but they have the exact same dinky knob(as
> >  > far as I can tell) at small bear
> >  >
> >  > http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=105
> >  >
> >  > I just got 100 for $45
> >  >
> >  > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>  
> > wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
> >  >> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
> >  >>
> >  >> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> > Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little  
> > knob
> >  >> > are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the  
> > standard
> >  >> > MOTM knob? Bill and Will
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  >
> >  
> >
>

> I hear what you are saying but I think you are missing a key issue.
> What you have to keep in mind is that these people are crazy ;)
>

>
> I've decided to add individual outputs for each of the bandpass  
> filters. This adds an additional 40 jacks to the panel and requires  
> 2.5U of width. I don't want to start making panels in multiples of 1/2  
> U, nor do I want to try to add an additional 2U and and try to make  
> everything fit by squishing everything closer together. Instead I've  
> added an additional 3U and added extra space between the three  
> sections (jack field at the left, pot field in the middle, main  
> controls on the right).
> 
> I've posted a couple of layouts of this 8U wide monster. The first  
> puts the jack field in the standard MOTM grid. The second uses a  
> staggered grid. I think I prefer the staggered grid.
> 
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel3.gif
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel4.gif
> 
> I've got the PCBs all soldered together and tested. I'll be cutting  
> the panel today (plastic prototype), then I'll need to hook up all  
> those pots and jacks, that could take a while.
>

On 27-Jul-08, at 4:19 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> OK - so here's my question about the separate outputs - and it's a
> neutral question, by the way, OK?
>
> Why?
>

>
> At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
> >40 band vocoding.
> 
> You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)
> 
> 40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope followers, 
> 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer 
> (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should 
> all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
> 
> John
>

On 27-Jul-08, at 9:00 PM, John Mahoney wrote:

> At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
>> 40 band vocoding.
>
> You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)
>
> 40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope followers,
> 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer
> (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should
> all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
>
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On 28-Jul-08, at 5:44 PM, John Mahoney wrote:

> At 12:48 PM 7/28/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
>> I'm considering creating a PCB (or two) that would have all the
>> additional circuitry needed to make a "modular vocoder". You'd need
>> two of the JH string filters to make this work (and a few patch cords
>> to hook it all up). You could build a standalone vocoder and  
>> eliminate
>> all the patching, but then you wouldn't be able to use the JH string
>> filter "as is". I'd like to at least try it. I designed a vocoder  
>> back
>> in the mid 1980s but never got it completed. The JH string filter
>> already has the necessary mixer and the filters have 10-turn trimmers
>> for calibration, that got me thinking it wouldn't be all that much
>> extra work to make a vocoder.
>
> Wow, interesting! Personally, I would not say that 40 VCAs and 40
> envelope followers are "not much extra work" :-) although I
> understand that at least the 40-band filters are taken care of.
>
> (BTW, I might be interested in PCBs with, say, 4 VCAs or EFs per
> board. Are you planning anything like that?)
>
>
>> Here are some other uses for the string filter separate outputs:
>>
>> 1. extracting vocal formants
>> 2. spectral processing of individual bands
>> 3. using specific bands to trigger envelope generators
>
> Indeed. However, these functions can generally be performed by a few
> bandpass filters. I'd rather use the 2U to house 3 or 4 manual BP
> filters, like a pair of Blacet dual filters
> (http://www.blacet.com/DF.html), instead of a 40-jack array.
>
> But, that's me. As an observer, I'd enjoy seeing someone else build a
> 40-band analog vocoder!
>
> Oh: I prefer the panel design on which the jacks are staggered like  
> the knobs.
>
> John

>
> My son pointed this out to me (Will wants a vocoder) - and after
> thinking it over, he suggested using four PAiA vocoder pcbs for the
> EFs, VCAs, mixer, etc.  <shrug>  That doesn't address the calibration
> issue... 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, John Mahoney <jmahoney@>
> wrote:
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
> > >40 band vocoding.
> > 
> > You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)
> > 
> > 40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope followers, 
> > 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer 
> > (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should 
> > all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
> > 
> > John
> >
>

> > > 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer 
> > > (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should 
> > > all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
> > > 
> > > John
> > >
> >
>

From: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Juskiw
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:03 PM
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Panel for JH String Filter

 

It took a while, but I've finally posted some info about my JH String 
Filter as a 40 band filter bank:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/mods/jhstring/jhstring.html

If you love pictures of coax cable, you'll love this.

I wanted to post some sounds but ran out of time this weekend. I 
should get those up next weekend.