Modular Synth Panels

Hello All,

I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq), but they will be rolling
here soon.
In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the CADs for, just to keep the
ball rolling.
Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is being painted and
silkscreened this week.

The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
Analog Computer
Double Multiples
CV Cluster
Modulo Magic
Burst Generator
Synthacon
more Tau Pipe
Yu ARP Filter
Multiples
Yu Saw Animator
Fritz AD/R
more ADSRs and such

The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
Yu Standards
MFOS Seq
Klee
CVS
JH Triple Chorus
OMS820
Oakley SVF
Triple Glide
Fritz super-secret circuit
WRS/ ASM

DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
Optic CV Processor
Threeler
Bintic
Wave Mults
Chaquo
Tau Pipe

What am I missing?

Cheers,
Scott

WOW!! Sooo many I want to get! Will the synthacon have a mix in like
Elby designs? What's WRS/ASM and CVS? Will there be a 1U with Encore
style knobs CGS super psycho LFO coming up?

I was looking at your designs in the files section to see what some of
your planned panels might look like but alot of them don't have any
files attached to the links.

I'd be interested in seeing what your Burst generator looks like and
the Threeler VCF, and the standards panel too.

Thanks,
Dave

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@...>
wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),

but they will be rolling

> here soon.
> In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the

CADs for, just to keep the

> ball rolling.
> Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is

being painted and

> silkscreened this week.
>
> The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
> Analog Computer
> Double Multiples
> CV Cluster
> Modulo Magic
> Burst Generator
> Synthacon
> more Tau Pipe
> Yu ARP Filter
> Multiples
> Yu Saw Animator
> Fritz AD/R
> more ADSRs and such
>
> The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> Yu Standards
> MFOS Seq
> Klee
> CVS
> JH Triple Chorus
> OMS820
> Oakley SVF
> Triple Glide
> Fritz super-secret circuit
> WRS/ ASM
>
> DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> Optic CV Processor
> Threeler
> Bintic
> Wave Mults
> Chaquo
> Tau Pipe
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

> Hello All,
>
> I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> but they will be rolling
> here soon.
> In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> CADs for, just to keep the
> ball rolling.
> Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> being painted and
> silkscreened this week.
>
> What am I missing?
>

I'd like to see:

TLN-854 Sword of Kahless
TLN-861 Dunsel
TLN-863 Max Min Generator
TLN-867 Tuner & Headphone Monitor

and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904
Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)

Panel layout details are available on my website for all of these, I
can also email them to you.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:

>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> > but they will be rolling
> > here soon.
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> > CADs for, just to keep the
> > ball rolling.
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> > being painted and
> > silkscreened this week.
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
>
> I'd like to see:
>
> TLN-854 Sword of Kahless

Will and I would take one...

> TLN-861 Dunsel

Will and I want two...

> TLN-863 Max Min Generator

One of these for us

> TLN-867 Tuner & Headphone Monitor

Two for us

> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904
> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)

<G> We'll be building 17 <gasp!>

Thanks for reminding us about all these, Scott (the this). We wanted
to chime in so Scott (the other) knows the demand! (although he's
painfully aware of the 17 904s 'cause we've been bugging him so fiercely.)

Bill and Will

Kahless! Tuner & headphone monitor! Vebelferzer! I will buy these!

skw

On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:

>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
>> but they will be rolling
>> here soon.
>> In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
>> CADs for, just to keep the
>> ball rolling.
>> Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
>> being painted and
>> silkscreened this week.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>
> I'd like to see:
>
> TLN-854 Sword of Kahless
> TLN-861 Dunsel
> TLN-863 Max Min Generator
> TLN-867 Tuner & Headphone Monitor
>
> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904
> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)
>
> Panel layout details are available on my website for all of these, I
> can also email them to you.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

The Synthacon will NOT have the mix input, since that requires some modification. There
is plenty of room for the individual to add it. Have you heard samples of the allpass input?
I haven't heard one yet that made me need that input. Anyone?

WRS/ASM is CGS weighted random switch/ analog switch matrix.
CVS is computer voltage source -- http://www.modularsynthesis.com/

Super Psycho is on the way, yes. Design not done.

Burst Generator is pretty standard. You won't be able to use the PCB-mount rotary switch.
There just isn't room.
Standards panel will look just like Yves'. Pretty standard (yuck yuck!)
Threeler is a 2U. It should be up on the site soon.

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "lexvortex" <lexvortex@...> wrote:
>
> WOW!! Sooo many I want to get! Will the synthacon have a mix in like
> Elby designs? What's WRS/ASM and CVS? Will there be a 1U with Encore
> style knobs CGS super psycho LFO coming up?
>
> I was looking at your designs in the files section to see what some of
> your planned panels might look like but alot of them don't have any
> files attached to the links.
>
> I'd be interested in seeing what your Burst generator looks like and
> the Threeler VCF, and the standards panel too.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> but they will be rolling
> > here soon.
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> CADs for, just to keep the
> > ball rolling.
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> being painted and
> > silkscreened this week.
> >
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
> > Analog Computer
> > Double Multiples
> > CV Cluster
> > Modulo Magic
> > Burst Generator
> > Synthacon
> > more Tau Pipe
> > Yu ARP Filter
> > Multiples
> > Yu Saw Animator
> > Fritz AD/R
> > more ADSRs and such
> >
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> > Yu Standards
> > MFOS Seq
> > Klee
> > CVS
> > JH Triple Chorus
> > OMS820
> > Oakley SVF
> > Triple Glide
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
> > WRS/ ASM
> >
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> > Optic CV Processor
> > Threeler
> > Bintic
> > Wave Mults
> > Chaquo
> > Tau Pipe
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Scott
> >
>

Oh, yeah, the other big guy -- the Sword. All those should be coming this summer.
I will catch up to all you designers, oh yes I will!!!! And by the time I catch up to what
everyone has done up til now, I'll have another hundred designs to do at this rate!
: )

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> > but they will be rolling
> > here soon.
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> > CADs for, just to keep the
> > ball rolling.
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> > being painted and
> > silkscreened this week.
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
>
> I'd like to see:
>
> TLN-854 Sword of Kahless
> TLN-861 Dunsel
> TLN-863 Max Min Generator
> TLN-867 Tuner & Headphone Monitor
>
> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904
> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)
>
> Panel layout details are available on my website for all of these, I
> can also email them to you.
>

Scott Deyo wrote:

> What am I missing?

JH Krautrock phaser? You have the Tau and the Solina Chorus...

Paul

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:

>
> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine

YES!!!

No disrespect, but when I look at the 5U version, all I can think is
"are you guys crazy?" ;)

Andrew - for the record... no disrespect taken at all - and yes, we
are crazy. <LOL>

As the originators of the perverse 5U version, we freely acknowledge
the advantage of Scott J's original 3U version... real estate! And
the 3U version also presents the four - what - "channels"? in a way
that may be slightly more intuitive for some users. With my
human-engineering hat on, I see the benefit in both designs.

In our case (due to our self-avowed insanity <G>) real-estate is not
an issue.

Just a note - lest we forget - that the true, distinct benefit of the
5U design (a fringe benefit, in a way, from trying to make a strictly
MOTM compatible design) is that the 5U version has the space for the
four outputs Scott says he left out of the 3U design - the SINE jacks.
So for those that want those outputs, the 5U version is probably the
way to go. But otherwise... hey...

Clearly, it's great that Scott Deyo will manufacture the 3U version
this run.

Again - no offense taken - ever - and further, we agree... the 3U
version is great... we'll put it up on the DragonflyAlley.com site
along with the 5U version.

Bill and Will





--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "andrewlistmayer"
<andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:

>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@> wrote:
> >
> > and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
>
>
> YES!!!
>
> No disrespect, but when I look at the 5U version, all I can think is
> "are you guys crazy?" ;)
>

Nice (metal) work Scott!

I need virtually all of those, I'm really excited about the analog
computer, regarding anything you might have forgot:

Other CGS panels I need are:

CGS VC Divider
CGS Sequential Switch
CGS Master Divider
CGS Super Psycho LFO
CGS Infinite Melody/ Diatonic Converter

Also will need:

Jurgen Haible Krautrock
Jurgen Haible Frequency Shifter
Jurgen Haible String Filter
Jurgen Haible Interpolating Scanner
Blacet Miniwave plus Expander Panel
Blacet Binary Zone
CGS Stomp Box Adapter
Fonik's Korg PS3100 Resonator

Cheers Julian

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@...>
wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),

but they will be rolling

> here soon.
> In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the

CADs for, just to keep the

> ball rolling.
> Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is

being painted and

> silkscreened this week.
>
> The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
> Analog Computer
> Double Multiples
> CV Cluster
> Modulo Magic
> Burst Generator
> Synthacon
> more Tau Pipe
> Yu ARP Filter
> Multiples
> Yu Saw Animator
> Fritz AD/R
> more ADSRs and such
>
> The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> Yu Standards
> MFOS Seq
> Klee
> CVS
> JH Triple Chorus
> OMS820
> Oakley SVF
> Triple Glide
> Fritz super-secret circuit
> WRS/ ASM
>
> DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> Optic CV Processor
> Threeler
> Bintic
> Wave Mults
> Chaquo
> Tau Pipe
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

Ahh, now I see why no concern over real estate. There are 2 of you!
That's twice as many hands to build cabinets. Also, when one of you is
about to pass out while running from one side of the modular to the
other to make a patch you can pass the baton, er, patch cord ;)

Speaking of crazy, now I'm leaning towards cramming Scott's version
plus maybe a couple of your sine waves on 2U :O

I started building standard MOTM modules, but I'm probably going to
end up with the Mattson Mini Modular.

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@...> wrote:
>
> Andrew - for the record... no disrespect taken at all - and yes, we
> are crazy. <LOL>
>
> As the originators of the perverse 5U version, we freely acknowledge
> the advantage of Scott J's original 3U version... real estate! And
> the 3U version also presents the four - what - "channels"? in a way
> that may be slightly more intuitive for some users. With my
> human-engineering hat on, I see the benefit in both designs.
>
> In our case (due to our self-avowed insanity <G>) real-estate is not
> an issue.
>
> Just a note - lest we forget - that the true, distinct benefit of the
> 5U design (a fringe benefit, in a way, from trying to make a strictly
> MOTM compatible design) is that the 5U version has the space for the
> four outputs Scott says he left out of the 3U design - the SINE jacks.
> So for those that want those outputs, the 5U version is probably the
> way to go. But otherwise... hey...
>
> Clearly, it's great that Scott Deyo will manufacture the 3U version
> this run.
>
> Again - no offense taken - ever - and further, we agree... the 3U
> version is great... we'll put it up on the DragonflyAlley.com site
> along with the 5U version.
>
> Bill and Will
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "andrewlistmayer"
> <andrewlistmayer@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> >
> >
> > YES!!!
> >
> > No disrespect, but when I look at the 5U version, all I can think is
> > "are you guys crazy?" ;)
> >
>

Ha! Touche! Bravo!

But there's only one 16-year-old of us to run those patches - and yes,
he's on his school's fencing team so he's got all that leg-strength to
boot. Me - I'm just his crazy old man and I generally acquiesce to
his unquestionable greater 16-year-old wisdom <LOL>.

So how will you fit all this stuff on a 2U? THIS I gotta see <G>.

Bill (Will has finally gone to bed after testing out a killer burger
recipe)






--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "andrewlistmayer"
<andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:

>
> Ahh, now I see why no concern over real estate. There are 2 of you!
> That's twice as many hands to build cabinets. Also, when one of you is
> about to pass out while running from one side of the modular to the
> other to make a patch you can pass the baton, er, patch cord ;)
>
> Speaking of crazy, now I'm leaning towards cramming Scott's version
> plus maybe a couple of your sine waves on 2U :O
>
> I started building standard MOTM modules, but I'm probably going to
> end up with the Mattson Mini Modular.
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew - for the record... no disrespect taken at all - and yes, we
> > are crazy. <LOL>
> >
> > As the originators of the perverse 5U version, we freely acknowledge
> > the advantage of Scott J's original 3U version... real estate! And
> > the 3U version also presents the four - what - "channels"? in a way
> > that may be slightly more intuitive for some users. With my
> > human-engineering hat on, I see the benefit in both designs.
> >
> > In our case (due to our self-avowed insanity <G>) real-estate is not
> > an issue.
> >
> > Just a note - lest we forget - that the true, distinct benefit of the
> > 5U design (a fringe benefit, in a way, from trying to make a strictly
> > MOTM compatible design) is that the 5U version has the space for the
> > four outputs Scott says he left out of the 3U design - the SINE jacks.
> > So for those that want those outputs, the 5U version is probably the
> > way to go. But otherwise... hey...
> >
> > Clearly, it's great that Scott Deyo will manufacture the 3U version
> > this run.
> >
> > Again - no offense taken - ever - and further, we agree... the 3U
> > version is great... we'll put it up on the DragonflyAlley.com site
> > along with the 5U version.
> >
> > Bill and Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "andrewlistmayer"
> > <andrewlistmayer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> > >
> > >
> > > YES!!!
> > >
> > > No disrespect, but when I look at the 5U version, all I can think is
> > > "are you guys crazy?" ;)
> > >
> >
>

Oh, yeah, we're just sourcing some odd parts for that one so that we know exactly what
size holes to use, though it may come down to purposefully making them a bit smaller in
case other users have different parts...

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "plord" <plord@...> wrote:
>
> Scott Deyo wrote:
> > What am I missing?
>
> JH Krautrock phaser? You have the Tau and the Solina Chorus...
>
> Paul
>

Now, that's just depressing, Julian! : )

Hopefully I will get to most of it this summer.
We're having a boy in September, so I'm sure I'll slow down after that.

Scott

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "julianzizko" <julianzizko@...> wrote:
>
> Nice (metal) work Scott!
>
> I need virtually all of those, I'm really excited about the analog
> computer, regarding anything you might have forgot:
>
> Other CGS panels I need are:
>
> CGS VC Divider
> CGS Sequential Switch
> CGS Master Divider
> CGS Super Psycho LFO
> CGS Infinite Melody/ Diatonic Converter
>
> Also will need:
>
> Jurgen Haible Krautrock
> Jurgen Haible Frequency Shifter
> Jurgen Haible String Filter
> Jurgen Haible Interpolating Scanner
> Blacet Miniwave plus Expander Panel
> Blacet Binary Zone
> CGS Stomp Box Adapter
> Fonik's Korg PS3100 Resonator
>
> Cheers Julian
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
> but they will be rolling
> > here soon.
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
> CADs for, just to keep the
> > ball rolling.
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
> being painted and
> > silkscreened this week.
> >
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
> > Analog Computer
> > Double Multiples
> > CV Cluster
> > Modulo Magic
> > Burst Generator
> > Synthacon
> > more Tau Pipe
> > Yu ARP Filter
> > Multiples
> > Yu Saw Animator
> > Fritz AD/R
> > more ADSRs and such
> >
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> > Yu Standards
> > MFOS Seq
> > Klee
> > CVS
> > JH Triple Chorus
> > OMS820
> > Oakley SVF
> > Triple Glide
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
> > WRS/ ASM
> >
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> > Optic CV Processor
> > Threeler
> > Bintic
> > Wave Mults
> > Chaquo
> > Tau Pipe
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Scott
> >
>

Surely you jest. Seventeen of these?

http://pugix.com/synth/tellun-corporation-tln-904-veeblefetzer/

You should build each one with a different LED pattern. I hope you have
a 3-voltage supply with plenty of +5V!

-Richard Brewster

wjhall11 wrote:

>> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
>> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904
>> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)
>>
> <G> We'll be building 17 <gasp!>
>
> Thanks for reminding us about all these, Scott (the this). We wanted
> to chime in so Scott (the other) knows the demand! (although he's
> painfully aware of the 17 904s 'cause we've been bugging him so fiercely.)
>
> Bill and Will
>

<LOL>

They're not all for us. We figured we'd build some for friends while
we're at it - that's all.

Bill and Will



--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster
<pugix@...> wrote:

>
> Surely you jest. Seventeen of these?
>
> http://pugix.com/synth/tellun-corporation-tln-904-veeblefetzer/
>
> You should build each one with a different LED pattern. I hope you

have

> a 3-voltage supply with plenty of +5V!
>
> -Richard Brewster
>
> wjhall11 wrote:
> >> and the 3U wide version of the TLN-712 Doomsday Machine
> >> and I think there are a few people who would like a TLN-904
> >> Veeblefetzer as well (since I've sold a few PCBs recently)
> >>
> > <G> We'll be building 17 <gasp!>
> >
> > Thanks for reminding us about all these, Scott (the this). We wanted
> > to chime in so Scott (the other) knows the demand! (although he's
> > painfully aware of the 17 904s 'cause we've been bugging him so

fiercely.)

> >
> > Bill and Will
> >
>

I just got my boards for the JH String Filter and I'm seriously
tempted to turn this into a 40 channel filter bank (using pots, not
sliders). I've drawn up a few MOTM-format panel layouts on paper and
will try to upload some images this weekend. We're talking 40 pots
here, just for the filters, plus:

4 pots (input level, Q level, Q CV level, stereo spread)
4 switches (partials 1,2,3,4)
4 jacks (signal input, Q CV input, left out, right out)

Did I miss anything?

I suppose you could leave out the 4 partial switches since each filter
has it's own dedicated level pot, but I'd still like to keep them in.
I've got three layouts at the moment:

1. 10U wide using standard (large) MOTM knobs
2. 5U wide using small knobs (like on Encore UEG)
3. 6U wide using small knobs for the 40 filters and large knobs for
the other 4 pots

I'll build a prototype (using plastic) for either #2 or #3 to make
sure it all works properly first.

Is anyone else interested in pursuing this?

Has somebody else already started working on an MOTM-format panel for
this?

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Juskiw

To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:49 PM

Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Panel for JH String Filter

I just got my boards for the JH String Filter and I'm seriously
tempted to turn this into a 40 channel filter bank (using pots, not
sliders). I've drawn up a few MOTM-format panel layouts on paper and
will try to upload some images this weekend. We're talking 40 pots
here, just for the filters, plus:

4 pots (input level, Q level, Q CV level, stereo spread)
4 switches (partials 1,2,3,4)
4 jacks (signal input, Q CV input, left out, right out)

Did I miss anything?

I suppose you could leave out the 4 partial switches since each filter
has it's own dedicated level pot, but I'd still like to keep them in.
I've got three layouts at the moment:

1. 10U wide using standard (large) MOTM knobs
2. 5U wide using small knobs (like on Encore UEG)
3. 6U wide using small knobs for the 40 filters and large knobs for
the other 4 pots

I'll build a prototype (using plastic) for either #2 or #3 to make
sure it all works properly first.

Is anyone else interested in pursuing this?

Has somebody else already started working on an MOTM-format panel for
this?

On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:

> Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U
> would be 2 big
> Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3
> set's 180 sm caps
> I needed a beer after that I can tell you

I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder some
through-hole caps onto those pads.

> I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site

I see it, thanks.

Hi there -

Please note that the 2U JH String Filter panel design on our site
presupposes using a dual gang reverse audio taper 100K pot for the
Stereo Spread control (available from Small Bear). This makes it
possible for the panel to be labeled "Mono" on the left and "Stereo"
on the right - which we liked best.

We resisted the temptation to build this with 40 separate controls, as
we're already building a behemoth 22 band version of the YU Fixed
Filter <LOL>. It wasn't lost on us, though that JH thoughtfully
provided for separate outputs for the 40 bands.

In May, we did ask Jurgen about all the 10K trimpots with an eye
toward controlling the depth of the notches individually - like in a
40 band filter.

---------------------
"Hi Jurgen -

"So all those 10K trimpots are how you adjust the - well -
depth of the notches? I mean - like they would be the panel
knobs on a regular fixed filter bank?

"Bill and Will"
---------------------

And he responded:

---------------------
"No - adjusting the individual peak frequencies.
Depth of the notches is globally set for all filters
(and voltage controlled, too!) with the Resonance Potentiometer.

"JH."
--------------------

So I guess to control the depth of each notch, you'd have to set up
seperate "Resonance" controls?

Bill and Will

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:
>
> > Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> > the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U
> > would be 2 big
> > Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3
> > set's 180 sm caps
> > I needed a beer after that I can tell you
>
> I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder some
> through-hole caps onto those pads.
>
> > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
>
> I see it, thanks.
>

Oh - we put together a BOM... it's here:

http://www.dragonflyalley.com/images/JHStringFilter/jHstringFilter-parts.xls

It's not perfect... but it's close. Let us know about any problems, OK?

Thanks. Bill and Will

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:
>
> > Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> > the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U
> > would be 2 big
> > Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3
> > set's 180 sm caps
> > I needed a beer after that I can tell you
>
> I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder some
> through-hole caps onto those pads.
>
> > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
>
> I see it, thanks.
>

Hi Scott,

I would love to see some Blacet designs, the VCO, Binary zone, VCA
2200 with CV attenuators, Miniwave but the expanded version and the EG
1 but with CV attenuators.


--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@...>
wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),

but they will be rolling

> here soon.
> In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the

CADs for, just to keep the

> ball rolling.
> Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is

being painted and

> silkscreened this week.
>
> The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
> Analog Computer
> Double Multiples
> CV Cluster
> Modulo Magic
> Burst Generator
> Synthacon
> more Tau Pipe
> Yu ARP Filter
> Multiples
> Yu Saw Animator
> Fritz AD/R
> more ADSRs and such
>
> The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
> Yu Standards
> MFOS Seq
> Klee
> CVS
> JH Triple Chorus
> OMS820
> Oakley SVF
> Triple Glide
> Fritz super-secret circuit
> WRS/ ASM
>
> DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
> Optic CV Processor
> Threeler
> Bintic
> Wave Mults
> Chaquo
> Tau Pipe
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

Blacet already does kits.

ah, u mean, Blacet in MOTM format - no?

myself, i need a wogglebug kit!!! 

d.


To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
From: lexvortex@...
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:56:09 +0000
Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Next Panel Run Part One

The Blacets... I had forgotten about them. Uff-da!

By the way, I have 'Bug kits, and panels very soon (MOTM at least).

Cheers,
Scott

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, T3h caTmaN <dschnidsky@...> wrote:
>
>
> Blacet already does kits.
>
> ah, u mean, Blacet in MOTM format - no?
>
> myself, i need a wogglebug kit!!!
>
> d.
>
>
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> From: lexvortex@...
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:56:09 +0000
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Next Panel Run Part One
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
>
>
> I would love to see some Blacet designs, the VCO, Binary zone, VCA
>
> 2200 with CV attenuators, Miniwave but the expanded version and the EG
>
> 1 but with CV attenuators.
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hello All,
>
> >
>
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
>
> but they will be rolling
>
> > here soon.
>
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
>
> CADs for, just to keep the
>
> > ball rolling.
>
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
>
> being painted and
>
> > silkscreened this week.
>
> >
>
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
>
> > Analog Computer
>
> > Double Multiples
>
> > CV Cluster
>
> > Modulo Magic
>
> > Burst Generator
>
> > Synthacon
>
> > more Tau Pipe
>
> > Yu ARP Filter
>
> > Multiples
>
> > Yu Saw Animator
>
> > Fritz AD/R
>
> > more ADSRs and such
>
> >
>
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
>
> > Yu Standards
>
> > MFOS Seq
>
> > Klee
>
> > CVS
>
> > JH Triple Chorus
>
> > OMS820
>
> > Oakley SVF
>
> > Triple Glide
>
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
>
> > WRS/ ASM
>
> >
>
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
>
> > Optic CV Processor
>
> > Threeler
>
> > Bintic
>
> > Wave Mults
>
> > Chaquo
>
> > Tau Pipe
>
> >
>
> > What am I missing?
>
> >
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Scott
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today!
> http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger
>

Yes MOTM format :)

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, T3h caTmaN <dschnidsky@...>
wrote:

>
>
> Blacet already does kits.
>
> ah, u mean, Blacet in MOTM format - no?
>
> myself, i need a wogglebug kit!!!
>
> d.
>
>
> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
> From: lexvortex@...
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:56:09 +0000
> Subject: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: Next Panel Run Part One
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
>
>
> I would love to see some Blacet designs, the VCO, Binary zone, VCA
>
> 2200 with CV attenuators, Miniwave but the expanded version and the EG
>
> 1 but with CV attenuators.
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Deyo" <contact@>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hello All,
>
> >
>
> > I'm still doing the CADs for The Big Panels (CVS, Klee, MFOS Seq),
>
> but they will be rolling
>
> > here soon.
>
> > In the meantime I started a run of panels that I already had the
>
> CADs for, just to keep the
>
> > ball rolling.
>
> > Meanwhile, the current run ('Bug, SN Voice, Fritz stuff, etc.) is
>
> being painted and
>
> > silkscreened this week.
>
> >
>
> > The next run (signing designs off today, metal is already here):
>
> > Analog Computer
>
> > Double Multiples
>
> > CV Cluster
>
> > Modulo Magic
>
> > Burst Generator
>
> > Synthacon
>
> > more Tau Pipe
>
> > Yu ARP Filter
>
> > Multiples
>
> > Yu Saw Animator
>
> > Fritz AD/R
>
> > more ADSRs and such
>
> >
>
> > The next run (finishing CADs, metal is on the way):
>
> > Yu Standards
>
> > MFOS Seq
>
> > Klee
>
> > CVS
>
> > JH Triple Chorus
>
> > OMS820
>
> > Oakley SVF
>
> > Triple Glide
>
> > Fritz super-secret circuit
>
> > WRS/ ASM
>
> >
>
> > DotCom next run (finishing CADs, metal is here):
>
> > Optic CV Processor
>
> > Threeler
>
> > Bintic
>
> > Wave Mults
>
> > Chaquo
>
> > Tau Pipe
>
> >
>
> > What am I missing?
>
> >
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Scott
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today!
> http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger
>

I think we need to hash this out.

I think it would make more sense to have someone either set up a protocol or tune our
filters with all the trimpots for a fee rather than build module with 40 extra controls on it,
Especially because the effect of the knob twisting will be very minor. With all due respect,
c'mon, it is too big and beautiful a distraction.

I have used a Moog string filter and it did not have that many controls and was great.

Honestly guys (women included) I would rather use the extra resouces to build an 8
octave EMS type filter bank as a complement to the string filter.

>
> Oh - we put together a BOM... it's here:
>
> http://www.dragonflyalley.com/images/JHStringFilter/jHstringFilter-parts.xls
>
> It's not perfect... but it's close. Let us know about any problems, OK?
>
> Thanks. Bill and Will
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:
> >
> > > Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> > > the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U
> > > would be 2 big
> > > Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3
> > > set's 180 sm caps
> > > I needed a beer after that I can tell you
> >
> > I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder some
> > through-hole caps onto those pads.
> >
> > > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
> >
> > I see it, thanks.
> >
>

For what it's worth, Will and I will definately build the stock
version with th 2U panel. And, per Jurgen, there will be a companion
filter that sits in front of this one in a signal-chain. The
companion filter creates the "shapes" of different instruments. I'll
bet that's another 2U too. Bill

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@...> wrote:
>
> I think we need to hash this out.
>
> I think it would make more sense to have someone either set up a
protocol or tune our
> filters with all the trimpots for a fee rather than build module
with 40 extra controls on it,
> Especially because the effect of the knob twisting will be very
minor. With all due respect,
> c'mon, it is too big and beautiful a distraction.
>
> I have used a Moog string filter and it did not have that many
controls and was great.
>
> Honestly guys (women included) I would rather use the extra
resouces to build an 8
> octave EMS type filter bank as a complement to the string filter.
>
>
>
> >
> > Oh - we put together a BOM... it's here:
> >
> >
http://www.dragonflyalley.com/images/JHStringFilter/jHstringFilter-parts.xls
> >
> > It's not perfect... but it's close. Let us know about any
problems, OK?
> >
> > Thanks. Bill and Will
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3-Jul-08, at 2:33 PM, krisp wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok I going to put my hand up and say I daft enough to try this
> > > > the 5U sounds good keep it all looking similar on the panel 10U
> > > > would be 2 big
> > > > Have you started on the SM caps 30 per board I finished off my 3
> > > > set's 180 sm caps
> > > > I needed a beer after that I can tell you
> > >
> > > I haven't sourced the parts yet. I'm going to try to tack solder
some
> > > through-hole caps onto those pads.
> > >
> > > > I think there's a 2U one on Bill and Will's site
> > >
> > > I see it, thanks.
> > >
> >
>

I've posted an image of my proposed 5U panel:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel.gif

The 40 pots for controlling the levels (not the frequencies) of the 40
band pass filters take up 4U of space on the left. I didn't bother to
label the frequency of each pot, but I expect to put the lowest
frequency in the lower left corner and the highest frequency in the
upper right corner. The remaining 1U on the right comprises the
standard controls that JH has on his schematic and uses a similar
layout to my other utility modules.

If you wanted a 6U version, you could simply replace my 1U section
with BIll & Will's 2U version. That would also give you a handy bypass
switch.

Off to order a bazillion parts...

On 3-Jul-08, at 1:49 PM, Scott Juskiw wrote:

> I just got my boards for the JH String Filter and I'm seriously
> tempted to turn this into a 40 channel filter bank (using pots, not
> sliders). I've drawn up a few MOTM-format panel layouts on paper and
> will try to upload some images this weekend. We're talking 40 pots
> here, just for the filters, plus:
>
> 4 pots (input level, Q level, Q CV level, stereo spread)
> 4 switches (partials 1,2,3,4)
> 4 jacks (signal input, Q CV input, left out, right out)
>
> Did I miss anything?
>
> I suppose you could leave out the 4 partial switches since each filter
> has it's own dedicated level pot, but I'd still like to keep them in.
> I've got three layouts at the moment:
>
> 1. 10U wide using standard (large) MOTM knobs
> 2. 5U wide using small knobs (like on Encore UEG)
> 3. 6U wide using small knobs for the 40 filters and large knobs for
> the other 4 pots
>
> I'll build a prototype (using plastic) for either #2 or #3 to make
> sure it all works properly first.
>
> Is anyone else interested in pursuing this?
>
> Has somebody else already started working on an MOTM-format panel for
> this?
>

I've posted a better panel layout:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif

I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label above
each one.

Oh - and we thought we were insane.

As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
control the levels?

We like the staggered-knob approach better.

Bill and Will

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> I've posted a better panel layout:
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
>
> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label above
> each one.
>

Take the output from each bandpass filter and run it to pin 1 of a
pot, pin 2 goes to the summing resistor for the "partial summing amp",
and pin 3 goes to ground. Normally, each bandpass filter goes directly
to the summing resistor, I just put a pot in there so that I can "dial
in" the contribution from each filter.

On 8-Jul-08, at 6:15 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> Oh - and we thought we were insane.
>
> As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
> control the levels?
>
> We like the staggered-knob approach better.
>
> Bill and Will
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've posted a better panel layout:
>>
>> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
>>
>> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
>> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label
>> above
>> each one.
>>
>
>
>

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@...> wrote:

>
> Oh - and we thought we were insane.

You are insane. So am I. That's why we're going to build this.

>
> As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
> control the levels?
>

It's an easy-peasy tap off the summing node, I think.

> We like the staggered-knob approach better.
>

Yep. The little PKES knobs in Tellun stagger format. Hash marks
would be nice, but would make for a very busy panel, methinks.

> Bill and Will
>
>

mrmike

>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@> wrote:
> >
> > I've posted a better panel layout:
> >
> > http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
> >
> > I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
> > more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label

above

> > each one.
> >
>

<groan> OK - OK -

So - if we're going to build it with all those separate dinky little
knobs, we will want the 6U version so that the "standard" unit is on
the right... but here's our stipulation... we want to make sure we can
easily have Jurgen's original standard "depths" so that we can make it
sound like his design intent.

So - how do we build it thus? Do we make it so that the full depth of
each band (meaning when the band knob is turned full right) is the
original depth? Or do we HAVE to build two of these things - one
standard and one with the dinky-knobs (SAVE US!)?

Oh no! Aaaaaah!

Bill (Will is ignoring me)




--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "clickmrmike" <mrmike@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh - and we thought we were insane.
>
> You are insane. So am I. That's why we're going to build this.
>
> >
> > As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
> > control the levels?
> >
>
> It's an easy-peasy tap off the summing node, I think.
>
> > We like the staggered-knob approach better.
> >
>
> Yep. The little PKES knobs in Tellun stagger format. Hash marks
> would be nice, but would make for a very busy panel, methinks.
>
> > Bill and Will
> >
> >
>
> mrmike
>
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>

wrote:

> > >
> > > I've posted a better panel layout:
> > >
> > > http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
> > >
> > > I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
> > > more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label
> above
> > > each one.
> > >
> >
>

Consider the 4U 40-pot section to be an extension to your 2U layout.
Maybe it could even be a separate panel, then those who don't want all
the knobs can just use your 2U panel.

With all the pots fully clockwise the response should be identical to
the "stock" version. With the pots fully counter-clockwise it should
be completely silent. So you can dial in just the bands you want, and
just the amounts you want.

You don't need to build two (but I am because I'm 2x insane).

On 8-Jul-08, at 9:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> <groan> OK - OK -
>
> So - if we're going to build it with all those separate dinky little
> knobs, we will want the 6U version so that the "standard" unit is on
> the right... but here's our stipulation... we want to make sure we can
> easily have Jurgen's original standard "depths" so that we can make it
> sound like his design intent.
>
> So - how do we build it thus? Do we make it so that the full depth of
> each band (meaning when the band knob is turned full right) is the
> original depth? Or do we HAVE to build two of these things - one
> standard and one with the dinky-knobs (SAVE US!)?
>
> Oh no! Aaaaaah!
>
> Bill (Will is ignoring me)
>
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "clickmrmike" <mrmike@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh - and we thought we were insane.
>>
>> You are insane. So am I. That's why we're going to build this.
>>
>>>
>>> As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
>>> control the levels?
>>>
>>
>> It's an easy-peasy tap off the summing node, I think.
>>
>>> We like the staggered-knob approach better.
>>>
>>
>> Yep. The little PKES knobs in Tellun stagger format. Hash marks
>> would be nice, but would make for a very busy panel, methinks.
>>
>>> Bill and Will
>>>
>>>
>>
>> mrmike
>>
>>>
>>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've posted a better panel layout:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
>>>>
>>>> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
>>>> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label
>> above
>>>> each one.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little knob
are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the standard
MOTM knob? Bill and Will

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> Consider the 4U 40-pot section to be an extension to your 2U layout.
> Maybe it could even be a separate panel, then those who don't want all
> the knobs can just use your 2U panel.
>
> With all the pots fully clockwise the response should be identical to
> the "stock" version. With the pots fully counter-clockwise it should
> be completely silent. So you can dial in just the bands you want, and
> just the amounts you want.
>
> You don't need to build two (but I am because I'm 2x insane).
>
> On 8-Jul-08, at 9:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>
> > <groan> OK - OK -
> >
> > So - if we're going to build it with all those separate dinky little
> > knobs, we will want the 6U version so that the "standard" unit is on
> > the right... but here's our stipulation... we want to make sure we can
> > easily have Jurgen's original standard "depths" so that we can make it
> > sound like his design intent.
> >
> > So - how do we build it thus? Do we make it so that the full depth of
> > each band (meaning when the band knob is turned full right) is the
> > original depth? Or do we HAVE to build two of these things - one
> > standard and one with the dinky-knobs (SAVE US!)?
> >
> > Oh no! Aaaaaah!
> >
> > Bill (Will is ignoring me)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "clickmrmike" <mrmike@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "wjhall11" <wjhall@>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh - and we thought we were insane.
> >>
> >> You are insane. So am I. That's why we're going to build this.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> As the resident idiots, what're your modifications that allow you to
> >>> control the levels?
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's an easy-peasy tap off the summing node, I think.
> >>
> >>> We like the staggered-knob approach better.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yep. The little PKES knobs in Tellun stagger format. Hash marks
> >> would be nice, but would make for a very busy panel, methinks.
> >>
> >>> Bill and Will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> mrmike
> >>
> >>>
> >>> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've posted a better panel layout:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel2.gif
> >>>>
> >>>> I staggered the knobs for the 40 bandpass filters which allows for
> >>>> more room to grab each one, plus I can now put a frequency label
> >> above
> >>>> each one.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.

On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little knob
> are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the standard
> MOTM knob? Bill and Will

It's probably a knockoff, but they have the exact same dinky knob(as
far as I can tell) at small bear

http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=105

I just got 100 for $45

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
>
> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>
> > Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little knob
> > are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the standard
> > MOTM knob? Bill and Will
>

Allied also has the Davies version of the knob (brass phenolic) Allied
Stock#: 543-1105

<https://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=543-1105&MPN=1105&R=543-1105&SEARCH=543-1105&DESC=1105?utm_source=Allied&utm_medium=merchandising&utm_campaign=Allied_Top_Sellers&utm_content=543-1105>

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM, andrewlistmayer
<andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:

> It's probably a knockoff, but they have the exact same dinky knob(as
> far as I can tell) at small bear
>
> http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=105
>
> I just got 100 for $45
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>>
>> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
>> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
>>
>> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
>>
>> > Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little knob
>> > are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the standard
>> > MOTM knob? Bill and Will
>>
>
>

And they (or some like that) are at Jameco too:
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=
-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=264990

Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com

On Jul 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Dave Leith wrote:

> Allied also has the Davies version of the knob (brass phenolic) Allied
> Stock#: 543-1105
>
>
> <https://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=543
> -1105&MPN=1105&R=543-1105&SEARCH=543-1105&DESC=1105?
> utm_source=Allied&utm_medium=merchandising&utm_campaign=Allied_Top_Sell
> ers&utm_content=543-1105>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM, andrewlistmayer
> <andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:
> > It's probably a knockoff, but they have the exact same dinky knob(as
> > far as I can tell) at small bear
> >
> > http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=105
> >
> > I just got 100 for $45
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
> >> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
> >>
> >> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> >>
> >> > Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little
> knob
> >> > are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the
> standard
> >> > MOTM knob? Bill and Will
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

I am in love with the idea but I am stuck on the functionality, all those knobs and little
latitude. This may be lost on lots of you . It reminds me of a Syrinx without a sampler
nearby.

>
> And they (or some like that) are at Jameco too:
> http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=
> -1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=264990
>
> Scott Deyo
> The Bridechamber
> contact@...
> http://www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> http://www.jealousedison.com
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Dave Leith wrote:
>
> > Allied also has the Davies version of the knob (brass phenolic) Allied
> > Stock#: 543-1105
> >
> >
> > <https://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?SKU=543
> > -1105&MPN=1105&R=543-1105&SEARCH=543-1105&DESC=1105?
> > utm_source=Allied&utm_medium=merchandising&utm_campaign=Allied_Top_Sell
> > ers&utm_content=543-1105>
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM, andrewlistmayer
> > <andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:
> > > It's probably a knockoff, but they have the exact same dinky knob(as
> > > far as I can tell) at small bear
> > >
> > > http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=105
> > >
> > > I just got 100 for $45
> > >
> > > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The part number is PKES60B1/4. They have it at Mouser, but it's
> > >> cheaper at Allied, especially if you are buying 100 at a time.
> > >>
> > >> On 8-Jul-08, at 10:08 PM, wjhall11 wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Well then, this is the best case scenario! OK - now what little
> > knob
> > >> > are you basing your design on? The dinkyer version of the
> > standard
> > >> > MOTM knob? Bill and Will
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@...> wrote:

>
> I am in love with the idea but I am stuck on the functionality, all

those knobs and little

> latitude. This may be lost on lots of you . It reminds me of a

Syrinx without a sampler

> nearby.

I hear what you are saying but I think you are missing a key issue.
What you have to keep in mind is that these people are crazy ;)

True that, and they are my friends too......

> I hear what you are saying but I think you are missing a key issue.
> What you have to keep in mind is that these people are crazy ;)
>

I've decided to add individual outputs for each of the bandpass
filters. This adds an additional 40 jacks to the panel and requires
2.5U of width. I don't want to start making panels in multiples of 1/2
U, nor do I want to try to add an additional 2U and and try to make
everything fit by squishing everything closer together. Instead I've
added an additional 3U and added extra space between the three
sections (jack field at the left, pot field in the middle, main
controls on the right).

I've posted a couple of layouts of this 8U wide monster. The first
puts the jack field in the standard MOTM grid. The second uses a
staggered grid. I think I prefer the staggered grid.

http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel3.gif
http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel4.gif

I've got the PCBs all soldered together and tested. I'll be cutting
the panel today (plastic prototype), then I'll need to hook up all
those pots and jacks, that could take a while.

OK - so here's my question about the separate outputs - and it's a
neutral question, by the way, OK?

Why?

Now again - I really mean this neutrally. See - when Will and I were
considering our 22-band version of the YU FFB, Will suggested putting
separate outputs on the bands. I could think of no reason for it, but
Will was insistent - quoting myself back at me: "You should always
reach for the highest technology you can afford because as soon as you
have it, you'll find applications for it that you never dreamed of
before." This has always been my experience.

Well - I was beaten and I agreed to the separate outputs - at the cost
of several hundred bucks, I'll bet.

But since then, I have thought of at least one application for the
separate output idea - and that's mix and panning. With separate
outputs, you could mix the band-outputs externally - and therefore
also pan the outputs at will.

But this begs an idea that dawned on my last night: As long as I have
the separate outputs available to me at all, a likely scenario for
their use would be to set a filter setting to be heard at the "ALL
OUTS" jack and then want to mix or pan one or two of the band outputs
separately. This implies that the separate output jacks should switch
the band out of the general "ALL OUTS" mix when a patch is inserted.
Or maybe the jack should be even fancier - with two clicks - first
click doesn't switch the band out of the general mix - second click
(all the way in) does.

OK - so other than our insanity, why the separate outputs? And then,
shouldn't the separate output jacks be able to switch the band out of
the general mix?

Bill

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
>
> I've decided to add individual outputs for each of the bandpass
> filters. This adds an additional 40 jacks to the panel and requires
> 2.5U of width. I don't want to start making panels in multiples of 1/2
> U, nor do I want to try to add an additional 2U and and try to make
> everything fit by squishing everything closer together. Instead I've
> added an additional 3U and added extra space between the three
> sections (jack field at the left, pot field in the middle, main
> controls on the right).
>
> I've posted a couple of layouts of this 8U wide monster. The first
> puts the jack field in the standard MOTM grid. The second uses a
> staggered grid. I think I prefer the staggered grid.
>
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel3.gif
> http://www.tellun.com/motm/string_filter_panel4.gif
>
> I've got the PCBs all soldered together and tested. I'll be cutting
> the panel today (plastic prototype), then I'll need to hook up all
> those pots and jacks, that could take a while.
>

40 band vocoding.

On 27-Jul-08, at 4:19 PM, wjhall11 wrote:

> OK - so here's my question about the separate outputs - and it's a
> neutral question, by the way, OK?
>
> Why?
>

At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:

>40 band vocoding.

You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)

40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope followers,
40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer
(input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should
all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)

John

My son pointed this out to me (Will wants a vocoder) - and after
thinking it over, he suggested using four PAiA vocoder pcbs for the
EFs, VCAs, mixer, etc. <shrug> That doesn't address the calibration
issue...




--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, John Mahoney <jmahoney@...>
wrote:

>
> At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
> >40 band vocoding.
>
> You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)
>
> 40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope followers,
> 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer
> (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should
> all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
>
> John
>

I'm considering creating a PCB (or two) that would have all the
additional circuitry needed to make a "modular vocoder". You'd need
two of the JH string filters to make this work (and a few patch cords
to hook it all up). You could build a standalone vocoder and eliminate
all the patching, but then you wouldn't be able to use the JH string
filter "as is". I'd like to at least try it. I designed a vocoder back
in the mid 1980s but never got it completed. The JH string filter
already has the necessary mixer and the filters have 10-turn trimmers
for calibration, that got me thinking it wouldn't be all that much
extra work to make a vocoder.

Here are some other uses for the string filter separate outputs:

1. extracting vocal formants
2. spectral processing of individual bands
3. using specific bands to trigger envelope generators

On 27-Jul-08, at 9:00 PM, John Mahoney wrote:

> At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
>> 40 band vocoding.
>
> You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)
>
> 40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope followers,
> 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer
> (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should
> all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
>
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

At 12:48 PM 7/28/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:

>I'm considering creating a PCB (or two) that would have all the
>additional circuitry needed to make a "modular vocoder". You'd need
>two of the JH string filters to make this work (and a few patch cords
>to hook it all up). You could build a standalone vocoder and eliminate
>all the patching, but then you wouldn't be able to use the JH string
>filter "as is". I'd like to at least try it. I designed a vocoder back
>in the mid 1980s but never got it completed. The JH string filter
>already has the necessary mixer and the filters have 10-turn trimmers
>for calibration, that got me thinking it wouldn't be all that much
>extra work to make a vocoder.

Wow, interesting! Personally, I would not say that 40 VCAs and 40
envelope followers are "not much extra work" :-) although I
understand that at least the 40-band filters are taken care of.

(BTW, I might be interested in PCBs with, say, 4 VCAs or EFs per
board. Are you planning anything like that?)

>Here are some other uses for the string filter separate outputs:
>
>1. extracting vocal formants
>2. spectral processing of individual bands
>3. using specific bands to trigger envelope generators

Indeed. However, these functions can generally be performed by a few
bandpass filters. I'd rather use the 2U to house 3 or 4 manual BP
filters, like a pair of Blacet dual filters
(http://www.blacet.com/DF.html), instead of a 40-jack array.

But, that's me. As an observer, I'd enjoy seeing someone else build a
40-band analog vocoder!

Oh: I prefer the panel design on which the jacks are staggered like the knobs.

John

What I meant by "not much extra work" is the design, not the soldering
together. It's only one envelope follower and one VCA to design, then
it's copied and pasted 39 times to make the PCB layout. I was thinking
about putting 20 of each onto a board. One board would also have extra
circuitry for the voiced/unvoiced logic.

I went with the staggered knobs. I've got the panel all marked out,
now I need to drill 44+44+4 holes. Gulp.

On 28-Jul-08, at 5:44 PM, John Mahoney wrote:

> At 12:48 PM 7/28/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
>> I'm considering creating a PCB (or two) that would have all the
>> additional circuitry needed to make a "modular vocoder". You'd need
>> two of the JH string filters to make this work (and a few patch cords
>> to hook it all up). You could build a standalone vocoder and
>> eliminate
>> all the patching, but then you wouldn't be able to use the JH string
>> filter "as is". I'd like to at least try it. I designed a vocoder
>> back
>> in the mid 1980s but never got it completed. The JH string filter
>> already has the necessary mixer and the filters have 10-turn trimmers
>> for calibration, that got me thinking it wouldn't be all that much
>> extra work to make a vocoder.
>
> Wow, interesting! Personally, I would not say that 40 VCAs and 40
> envelope followers are "not much extra work" :-) although I
> understand that at least the 40-band filters are taken care of.
>
> (BTW, I might be interested in PCBs with, say, 4 VCAs or EFs per
> board. Are you planning anything like that?)
>
>
>> Here are some other uses for the string filter separate outputs:
>>
>> 1. extracting vocal formants
>> 2. spectral processing of individual bands
>> 3. using specific bands to trigger envelope generators
>
> Indeed. However, these functions can generally be performed by a few
> bandpass filters. I'd rather use the 2U to house 3 or 4 manual BP
> filters, like a pair of Blacet dual filters
> (http://www.blacet.com/DF.html), instead of a 40-jack array.
>
> But, that's me. As an observer, I'd enjoy seeing someone else build a
> 40-band analog vocoder!
>
> Oh: I prefer the panel design on which the jacks are staggered like
> the knobs.
>
> John

On 7/28/08, wjhall11 put forth:

>My son pointed this out to me (Will wants a vocoder) - and after
>thinking it over, he suggested using four PAiA vocoder pcbs for the
>EFs, VCAs, mixer, etc. <shrug> That doesn't address the calibration
>issue...

Imho, that sounds like overkill. I've also heard that the PAIA
vocoder is crap. I have a MAM VF11, which is an analogue 11-band
vocoder designed by JH that fits in a single rackspace, and I'm quite
happy with it :)

Paia vocoder is crap (a toy). If you really want to DIY a vocoder either look to a a specific
small set of functions and bandwidth or maybe do a half analog PIC based device. I swear
by my Alesis Modfx (though not the vocoder) and my Adrenalinn.

>
> My son pointed this out to me (Will wants a vocoder) - and after
> thinking it over, he suggested using four PAiA vocoder pcbs for the
> EFs, VCAs, mixer, etc. <shrug> That doesn't address the calibration
> issue...
>
>
>
>
> --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, John Mahoney <jmahoney@>
> wrote:
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
> > >40 band vocoding.
> >
> > You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)
> >
> > 40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope followers,
> > 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer
> > (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should
> > all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
> >
> > John
> >
>

At 11:00 AM 7/29/2008, Mark wrote:

>On 7/28/08, wjhall11 put forth:
> >My son pointed this out to me (Will wants a vocoder) - and after
> >thinking it over, he suggested using four PAiA vocoder pcbs for the
> >EFs, VCAs, mixer, etc. <shrug> That doesn't address the calibration
> >issue...
>
>Imho, that sounds like overkill. I've also heard that the PAIA
>vocoder is crap. I have a MAM VF11, which is an analogue 11-band
>vocoder designed by JH that fits in a single rackspace, and I'm quite
>happy with it :)

Doepfer's got some vocoder info, here:
http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm
There are a couple of functions that I didn't mention, like slew
limiting, CV controls, and this voiced/unvoiced business...

Food for thought.

John

OK - I hear you - besides PAia doesn't sell pcbs. We'll wait for
someone to design one (hint hint to the engineers) <G>. Bill

--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, "adaaxs" <wonggster@...> wrote:
>
> Paia vocoder is crap (a toy). If you really want to DIY a vocoder
either look to a a specific
> small set of functions and bandwidth or maybe do a half analog PIC
based device. I swear
> by my Alesis Modfx (though not the vocoder) and my Adrenalinn.
>
>
> >
> > My son pointed this out to me (Will wants a vocoder) - and after
> > thinking it over, he suggested using four PAiA vocoder pcbs for the
> > EFs, VCAs, mixer, etc. <shrug> That doesn't address the calibration
> > issue...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, John Mahoney <jmahoney@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > At 07:27 PM 7/27/2008, Scott Juskiw wrote:
> > > >40 band vocoding.
> > >
> > > You must be kidding! Are you kidding? :-)
> > >
> > > 40-band vocoding requires two 40-band filters, 40 envelope
followers,
> > > 40 VCAs, a high-pass filter (for sibilants) and a 42-input mixer
> > > (input signal + sibilants + all 40 encoded bands). (And, it should
> > > all be calibrated. Why have 40 bands without precision?)
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
>

It took a while, but I've finally posted some info about my JH String
Filter as a 40 band filter bank:

http://www.tellun.com/motm/mods/jhstring/jhstring.html

If you love pictures of coax cable, you'll love this.

I wanted to post some sounds but ran out of time this weekend. I
should get those up next weekend.