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2010-01-03 by WT
So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to sync it to an external clock source. Where do I connect my syncsource ? To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General Interface Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? WT
2010-01-09 by WT
Bump ! No one ? WT ----- Original Message -----
From: "WT" <waveterm@telia.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to sync it > to > an external clock source. > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General Interface > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > > WT > >
2010-01-10 by David
I've forgotten! I think I would just send it a sync tone. It should be in the manual. I think it's the 3 pin din connector that I used. SMPTE it will trigger the start time and then the CMI runs at it's own tempo. Not so easy to get it to sync 100% IIRC David --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote:
> > Bump ! > > No one ? > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > > > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to sync it > > to > > an external clock source. > > > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? > > > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > > > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > > > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General Interface > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > > > > WT > > > > >
2010-01-11 by Bill
In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it back to the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried synching with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync with SMPTE now on a series III. good luck. billyrock --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote:
> > Bump ! > > No one ? > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > > > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to sync it > > to > > an external clock source. > > > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? > > > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > > > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > > > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General Interface > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > > > > WT > > > > >
2010-01-11 by WT
Hi Billy ! Thanks for the answer. The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into detail about how to sync the IIx. What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from various sources ) into the CMI IIx. But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from the Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or should I only connect to the Midi Box or should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. That´s the question. Hmmm..... Maybe I should solder some adapters. WT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it back to the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried synching with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync with SMPTE now on a series III. good luck. billyrock --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote:
> > Bump ! > > No one ? > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > > > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to sync it > > to > > an external clock source. > > > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? > > > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > > > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > > > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General > > Interface > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > > > > WT > > > > >
2010-01-11 by Josin Miranda
Hi Billy !
Thanks for the answer.
The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi.
The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into
detail about how to sync the IIx.
What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from various
sources ) into the CMI IIx.
But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from the
Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or
should I only connect to the Midi Box or
should I only connect to the CMI Sync input.
That´s the question.
Hmmm.....
Maybe I should solder some adapters.
WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM
Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx
In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it back to
the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried synching
with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync with
SMPTE now on a series III.
good luck.
billyrock
--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" .> wrote:
>
> Bump !
>
> No one ?
>
> WT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WT" .>
> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM
> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx
>
>
> > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to sync it
> > to
> > an external clock source.
> >
> > Where do I connect my syncsource ?
> >
> > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or,
> >
> > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ?
> >
> > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General
> > Interface
> > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ?
> >
> > WT
> >
> >
>
2010-01-12 by WT
Hi Josin, thanks for the suggestion but it is not a problem to generate clocks...... I have 10 different sync-boxes that can supply the clocksignals. The problem is how to input them into the CMI and getting it to sync. WT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josin Miranda" <josin.miranda@btinternet.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx Motu - Volta. Might be a solution, generates clock to PPQ. Josin
On 11 Jan 2010, at 23:09, WT wrote: > Hi Billy ! > > Thanks for the answer. > > The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. > > The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into > detail about how to sync the IIx. > > What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from > various > sources ) into the CMI IIx. > > But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable > from the > Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or > > should I only connect to the Midi Box or > > should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. > > That´s the question. > > Hmmm..... > > Maybe I should solder some adapters. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it > back to > the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried > synching > with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync > with > SMPTE now on a series III. > good luck. > billyrock > > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: > > > > Bump ! > > > > No one ? > > > > WT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> > > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM > > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > > > > > > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want > to sync it > > > to > > > an external clock source. > > > > > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? > > > > > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > > > > > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > > > > > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General > > > Interface > > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > > > > > > WT > > > > > > > > > >
2010-01-12 by blixton
If I sampled the fairlight with a good soundcard and a software like autosampler will the sample bank sound the same? Or will it just not be the same? Thanks
2010-01-12 by Tim Curtis
Hi Billy !
Thanks for the answer.
The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi.
The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into
detail about how to sync the IIx.
What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from various
sources ) into the CMI IIx.
But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from the
Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or
should I only connect to the Midi Box or
should I only connect to the CMI Sync input.
That´s the question.
Hmmm.....
Maybe I should solder some adapters.
WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM
Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx
In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it back to
the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried synching
with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync with
SMPTE now on a series III.
good luck.
billyrock
--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" .> wrote:
>
> Bump !
>
> No one ?
>
> WT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WT" .>
> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM
> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx
>
>
> > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to sync it
> > to
> > an external clock source.
> >
>; > Where do I connect my syncsource ?
> >
> > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or,
> >
> > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ?
> >
> > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General
> > Interface
> > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ?
> >
>; > WT
> >
> >
>
2010-01-12 by WT
Thanks Tim, I´ll have a go at it tonight. Need to make a special cable then..... WT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can verify this) You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom. You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back) This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have different clock rates. -Tim
On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote: > Hi Billy ! > > Thanks for the answer. > > The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. > > The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into > detail about how to sync the IIx. > > What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from > various > sources ) into the CMI IIx. > > But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from > the > Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or > > should I only connect to the Midi Box or > > should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. > > That´s the question. > > Hmmm..... > > Maybe I should solder some adapters. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it > back to > the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried > synching > with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync > with > SMPTE now on a series III. > good luck. > billyrock > > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: > > > > Bump ! > > > > No one ? > > > > WT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> > > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM > > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > > > > > > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to > sync it > > > to > > > an external clock source. > > > > > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? > > > > > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > > > > > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > > > > > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General > > > Interface > > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > > > > > > WT > > > > > > > > > > >
2010-01-12 by tomulcahy
The short answer is- it depends! The long answer is- it will sound the same, as long as you're happy with playback only. The IIx has some very nifty modulation functions, as you can hear on the dvdborn blog. dvdborn also has a multisample of Sararr on his blog, from a IIx, with filter on and filter off. It sounds great. However, my personal go to Sararr is the one from the Digital Domain CD, taken from a IIx with filter on, an octave below middle C. Transposed up in a modern sampler, it gives you the brightness that we associate with commercial recordings. However, I have recently been enjoying some classic IIx sounds played back in Kontakt. These were made by importing them on a CMI 3, and then converting the files directly to WAV. They sound very full in the top end as you would expect, but retain that Fairlight magic breathy sound, wihtout sounding dated. I think it's a good way to give a new life to these over exposed sounds. --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, blixton <blixton@...> wrote:
> > If I sampled the fairlight with a good soundcard and a software like > autosampler will the sample bank sound the same? Or will it just not be > the same? > > Thanks >
2010-01-12 by Robert Brady
The short answer is- it depends!
The long answer is- it will sound the same, as long as you're happy with
playback only. The IIx has some very nifty modulation functions, as you
can hear on the dvdborn blog.
dvdborn also has a multisample of Sararr on his blog, from a IIx, with
filter on and filter off. It sounds great. However, my personal go to Sararr
is the one from the Digital Domain CD, taken from a IIx with filter on,
an octave below middle C. Transposed up in a modern sampler, it gives you
the brightness that we associate with commercial recordings.
However, I have recently been enjoying some classic IIx sounds played back
in Kontakt. These were made by importing them on a CMI 3, and then converting
the files directly to WAV. They sound very full in the top end as you would
expect, but retain that Fairlight magic breathy sound, wihtout sounding
dated. I think it's a good way to give a new life to these over exposed
sounds.
--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com,
blixton wrote:
>
> If I sampled the fairlight with a good soundcard and a software like
> autosampler will the sample bank sound the same? Or will it just not
be
> the same?
>
> Thanks
>
2010-01-12 by WT
Hi Tim ( and everybody else ), I can happily report that my IIx is now in sync with the rest of the world. Indeed, one uses the Sync-connector on the mainframe. It has dual functions, Sync In on Pin 2, Metronome Click Out on Pin 3, with a common ground on Pin 1. One must apply 384 PPQ ( 1536 pulses per bar ). I tested it with both a Garfield Masterbeat and a Friendchip SRC. Seems a shame if the Multi Sync out and Din-sync out on the Midibox never was implemented.....kind of hard to use the IIx as a SMPTE slave/sync provider for other gear. Looking at the service documents, I can´treally decipher from where the 68A40´s get the sync input. Ah well.....guess I´ll look into that another time. WT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can verify this) You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom. You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back) This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have different clock rates. -Tim
On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote: > Hi Billy ! > > Thanks for the answer. > > The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. > > The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into > detail about how to sync the IIx. > > What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from > various > sources ) into the CMI IIx. > > But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from > the > Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or > > should I only connect to the Midi Box or > > should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. > > That´s the question. > > Hmmm..... > > Maybe I should solder some adapters. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it > back to > the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried > synching > with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync > with > SMPTE now on a series III. > good luck. > billyrock > > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: > > > > Bump ! > > > > No one ? > > > > WT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> > > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM > > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > > > > > > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to > sync it > > > to > > > an external clock source. > > > > > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? > > > > > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > > > > > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > > > > > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General > > > Interface > > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > > > > > > WT > > > > > > > > > > >
2010-01-12 by WT
Still in sync after 18 minutes..... :-) WT ----- Original Message -----
From: "WT" <waveterm@telia.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > Hi Tim ( and everybody else ), > > I can happily report that my IIx is now in sync with the rest of the > world. > > Indeed, one uses the Sync-connector on the mainframe. It has dual > functions, > Sync In on Pin 2, Metronome Click Out on Pin 3, with a common ground on > Pin > 1. > > One must apply 384 PPQ ( 1536 pulses per bar ). I tested it with both a > Garfield Masterbeat and a Friendchip SRC. > > Seems a shame if the Multi Sync out and Din-sync out on the Midibox never > was implemented.....kind of hard to use the IIx as a SMPTE slave/sync > provider for other gear. > > Looking at the service documents, I can´treally decipher from where the > 68A40´s get the sync input. Ah well.....guess I´ll look into that another > time. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > > As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never > implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I > believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can > verify this) > > You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the > back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom. > > You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the > IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and > output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common > ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back) > > This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have different > clock rates. > > -Tim > > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote: > >> Hi Billy ! >> >> Thanks for the answer. >> >> The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. >> >> The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into >> detail about how to sync the IIx. >> >> What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from >> various >> sources ) into the CMI IIx. >> >> But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from >> the >> Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or >> >> should I only connect to the Midi Box or >> >> should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. >> >> That´s the question. >> >> Hmmm..... >> >> Maybe I should solder some adapters. >> >> WT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> >> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM >> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx >> >> In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it >> back to >> the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried >> synching >> with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync >> with >> SMPTE now on a series III. >> good luck. >> billyrock >> >> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: >> > >> > Bump ! >> > >> > No one ? >> > >> > WT >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> >> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM >> > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx >> > >> > >> > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to >> sync it >> > > to >> > > an external clock source. >> > > >> > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? >> > > >> > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, >> > > >> > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? >> > > >> > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General >> > > Interface >> > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? >> > > >> > > WT >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-01-12 by Tim Curtis
Glad that you got it to work. As for the SMPTE sync, that was never implemented at all. IIRC, it will trigger off SMPTE, but then it just free runs. I think that they were planning on implementing it in a later revision, but them they decided to build the Series III instead. -T
On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:22 PM, WT wrote: > Hi Tim ( and everybody else ), > > I can happily report that my IIx is now in sync with the rest of the > world. > > Indeed, one uses the Sync-connector on the mainframe. It has dual > functions, > Sync In on Pin 2, Metronome Click Out on Pin 3, with a common ground > on Pin > 1. > > One must apply 384 PPQ ( 1536 pulses per bar ). I tested it with > both a > Garfield Masterbeat and a Friendchip SRC. > > Seems a shame if the Multi Sync out and Din-sync out on the Midibox > never > was implemented.....kind of hard to use the IIx as a SMPTE slave/sync > provider for other gear. > > Looking at the service documents, I can´treally decipher from where > the > 68A40´s get the sync input. Ah well.....guess I´ll look into that > another > time. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > > As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never > implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I > believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can > verify this) > > You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the > back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom. > > You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the > IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and > output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common > ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back) > > This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have different > clock rates. > > -Tim > > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote: > >> Hi Billy ! >> >> Thanks for the answer. >> >> The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. >> >> The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go >> into >> detail about how to sync the IIx. >> >> What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from >> various >> sources ) into the CMI IIx. >> >> But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from >> the >> Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or >> >> should I only connect to the Midi Box or >> >> should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. >> >> That´s the question. >> >> Hmmm..... >> >> Maybe I should solder some adapters. >> >> WT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> >> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM >> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx >> >> In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it >> back to >> the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried >> synching >> with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync >> with >> SMPTE now on a series III. >> good luck. >> billyrock >> >> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: >>> >>> Bump ! >>> >>> No one ? >>> >>> WT >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "WT" <waveterm@...> >>> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM >>> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx >>> >>> >>>> So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to >> sync it >>>> to >>>> an external clock source. >>>> >>>> Where do I connect my syncsource ? >>>> >>>> To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, >>>> >>>> to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? >>>> >>>> And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General >>>> Interface >>>> Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? >>>> >>>> WT >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2010-01-12 by WT
Yeah, the SMPTE is only trigger of start time. No true tempo-mapping. Cool, thanks for the help ! WT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx Glad that you got it to work. As for the SMPTE sync, that was never implemented at all. IIRC, it will trigger off SMPTE, but then it just free runs. I think that they were planning on implementing it in a later revision, but them they decided to build the Series III instead. -T
On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:22 PM, WT wrote: > Hi Tim ( and everybody else ), > > I can happily report that my IIx is now in sync with the rest of the > world. > > Indeed, one uses the Sync-connector on the mainframe. It has dual > functions, > Sync In on Pin 2, Metronome Click Out on Pin 3, with a common ground > on Pin > 1. > > One must apply 384 PPQ ( 1536 pulses per bar ). I tested it with > both a > Garfield Masterbeat and a Friendchip SRC. > > Seems a shame if the Multi Sync out and Din-sync out on the Midibox > never > was implemented.....kind of hard to use the IIx as a SMPTE slave/sync > provider for other gear. > > Looking at the service documents, I can´treally decipher from where > the > 68A40´s get the sync input. Ah well.....guess I´ll look into that > another > time. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > > As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never > implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I > believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can > verify this) > > You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the > back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom. > > You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the > IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and > output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common > ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back) > > This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have different > clock rates. > > -Tim > > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote: > >> Hi Billy ! >> >> Thanks for the answer. >> >> The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. >> >> The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go >> into >> detail about how to sync the IIx. >> >> What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from >> various >> sources ) into the CMI IIx. >> >> But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from >> the >> Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or >> >> should I only connect to the Midi Box or >> >> should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. >> >> That´s the question. >> >> Hmmm..... >> >> Maybe I should solder some adapters. >> >> WT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> >> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM >> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx >> >> In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it >> back to >> the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried >> synching >> with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync >> with >> SMPTE now on a series III. >> good luck. >> billyrock >> >> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: >>> >>> Bump ! >>> >>> No one ? >>> >>> WT >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "WT" <waveterm@...> >>> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM >>> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx >>> >>> >>>> So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to >> sync it >>>> to >>>> an external clock source. >>>> >>>> Where do I connect my syncsource ? >>>> >>>> To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, >>>> >>>> to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? >>>> >>>> And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General >>>> Interface >>>> Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? >>>> >>>> WT >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2010-01-12 by Tim Curtis
Yeah, the SMPTE is only trigger of start time. No true tempo-mapping.
Cool, thanks for the help !
WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Curtis" <;sexsymbol@execpc.com>
To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx
Glad that you got it to work.
As for the SMPTE sync, that was never implemented at all. IIRC, it
will trigger off SMPTE, but then it just free runs.
I think that they were planning on implementing it in a later
revision, but them they decided to build the Series III instead.
-T
On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:22 PM, WT wrote:
> Hi Tim ( and everybody else ),
>
> I can happily report that my IIx is now in sync with the rest of the
> world.
>
> Indeed, one uses the Sync-connector on the mainframe. It has dual
> functions,
> Sync In on Pin 2, Metronome Click Out on Pin 3, with a common ground
> on Pin
> 1.
>
> One must apply 384 PPQ ( 1536 pulses per bar ). I tested it with
> both a
> Garfield Masterbeat and a Friendchip SRC.
>
> Seems a shame if the Multi Sync out and Din-sync out on the Midibox
> never
> was implemented.....kind of hard to use the IIx as a SMPTE slave/sync
> provider for other gear.
>
> Looking at the service documents, I can´treally decipher from where
> the
> 68A40´s get the sync input. Ah well.....guess I´ll look into that
> another
> time.
>
> WT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com>
> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx
>
>
> As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never
> implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I
> believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can
> verify this)
>
> You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the
> back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom.
>
> You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the
> IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and
> output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common
> ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back)
>
> This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have different
> clock rates.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote:
>
>> Hi Billy !
>>
>> Thanks for the answer.
>>
>> The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi.
>>
>> The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go
>> into
>> detail about how to sync the IIx.
>>
>> What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from
>> various
>> sources ) into the CMI IIx.
>>
>> But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from
>> the
>> Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or
>>
>> should I only connect to the Midi Box or
>>
>> should I only connect to the CMI Sync input.
>>
>> That´s the question.
>>
>> Hmmm.....
>>
>> Maybe I should solder some adapters.
>>
>> WT
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com>
>;> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM
>> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx
>>
>> In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it
>> back to
>> the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried
>> synching
>> with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync
>> with
>> SMPTE now on a series III.
>> good luck.
>> billyrock
>>
>> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" .> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bump !
>>>
>>> No one ?
>>>
>>> WT
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "WT" .>
>>> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM
>>> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx
>>>
>>>
>>>> So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to
>> sync it
>>>> to
>>>> an external clock source.
>>>>
>>>> Where do I connect my syncsource ?
>>>>
>>>> To the CMI XLR Sync connector or,
>>>>
>>>> to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ?
>>>>
>>>> And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General
>>>> Interface
>>>> Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ?
>>>>
>>>> WT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
2010-01-12 by WT
A.f.a.i.k, the Syco Conductor evolved into the General Interface Card. That´s why I´m a bit surprised that I´m not getting any response on the Sync Out and Clock Out din-connectors on the IIx. I could be worng but I´m almost certain that I´ve read about the Syco on S.O:S website. Maybe an interview with hmm........? WT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx This all reminds me. Does anyone out there have any info on the Syco Conductor card? I've got one of the cards but no interface box to use with it. I could probably reverse engineer it if I could get a little info on what the features were. It would be nice to know what this thing can do. Probably not all that useful, but certainly a rarity. Thanks! Tim
On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:44 PM, WT wrote: > Yeah, the SMPTE is only trigger of start time. No true tempo-mapping. > > Cool, thanks for the help ! > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > Glad that you got it to work. > > As for the SMPTE sync, that was never implemented at all. IIRC, it > will trigger off SMPTE, but then it just free runs. > > I think that they were planning on implementing it in a later > revision, but them they decided to build the Series III instead. > > -T > > On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:22 PM, WT wrote: > > > Hi Tim ( and everybody else ), > > > > I can happily report that my IIx is now in sync with the rest of the > > world. > > > > Indeed, one uses the Sync-connector on the mainframe. It has dual > > functions, > > Sync In on Pin 2, Metronome Click Out on Pin 3, with a common ground > > on Pin > > 1. > > > > One must apply 384 PPQ ( 1536 pulses per bar ). I tested it with > > both a > > Garfield Masterbeat and a Friendchip SRC. > > > > Seems a shame if the Multi Sync out and Din-sync out on the Midibox > > never > > was implemented.....kind of hard to use the IIx as a SMPTE slave/ > sync > > provider for other gear. > > > > Looking at the service documents, I can´treally decipher from where > > the > > 68A40´s get the sync input. Ah well.....guess I´ll look into that > > another > > time. > > > > WT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> > > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > > > > > As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never > > implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I > > believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can > > verify this) > > > > You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the > > back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom. > > > > You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the > > IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and > > output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common > > ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back) > > > > This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have > different > > clock rates. > > > > -Tim > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote: > > > >> Hi Billy ! > >> > >> Thanks for the answer. > >> > >> The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. > >> > >> The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go > >> into > >> detail about how to sync the IIx. > >> > >> What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from > >> various > >> sources ) into the CMI IIx. > >> > >> But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable > from > >> the > >> Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or > >> > >> should I only connect to the Midi Box or > >> > >> should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. > >> > >> That´s the question. > >> > >> Hmmm..... > >> > >> Maybe I should solder some adapters. > >> > >> WT > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> > >> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM > >> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > >> > >> In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it > >> back to > >> the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried > >> synching > >> with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync > >> with > >> SMPTE now on a series III. > >> good luck. > >> billyrock > >> > >> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: > >>> > >>> Bump ! > >>> > >>> No one ? > >>> > >>> WT > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "WT" <waveterm@...> > >>> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM > >>> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx > >>> > >>> > >>>> So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to > >> sync it > >>>> to > >>>> an external clock source. > >>>> > >>>> Where do I connect my syncsource ? > >>>> > >>>> To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, > >>>> > >>>> to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? > >>>> > >>>> And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General > >>>> Interface > >>>> Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? > >>>> > >>>> WT > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >
2010-01-13 by WT
Ok, done a bit of reading. The Sync Out and Clock Out works by recieveing a clock signal from the 3-pole DIN. Sync Out 4 should be connected to the CMI Mainframe Sync input XLR ( pin 2 ). Now the external clock will drive the CMI and the 68A40´s will divide the incoming clock and output through Sync 1-3. Also, the Clock output will supply Din-sync24 for any so compatible unit ( 808,606 etc....) That´s the theory at least. Will need to find a 3-pole DIN connector and make a special cable. WT ----- Original Message -----
From: "WT" <waveterm@telia.com> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > Hi Tim ( and everybody else ), > Seems a shame if the Multi Sync out and Din-sync out on the Midibox never > was implemented.....kind of hard to use the IIx as a SMPTE slave/sync > provider for other gear. > > Looking at the service documents, I can´treally decipher from where the > 68A40´s get the sync input. Ah well.....guess I´ll look into that another > time. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Curtis" <sexsymbol@execpc.com> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx > > > As I recall, the sync input in the General Interface box was never > implemented. (It's been a while since I've checked it out, but I > believe that this is the case. I'll be inside the CMI soon, so I can > verify this) > > You sync the IIx by using a 384 PPQ sync into the sync input on the > back of the mainframe, in the row along the bottom. > > You will need to make a custom cable for this. Going by memory, the > IIx (as well as the I and II) use that jack for both input and > output. One is to pin 2, one is to pin 3, and they share a common > ground to pin 1. The manual has this diagram in the back) > > This works for Page R. For Page 9 and for MCL you will have different > clock rates. > > -Tim > > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:09 PM, WT wrote: > >> Hi Billy ! >> >> Thanks for the answer. >> >> The IIx unfortunately doesn´t sync to Midi. >> >> The manuals that I have for the General Interface card doesn´t go into >> detail about how to sync the IIx. >> >> What I like to do is feed clocks ( 384 ppq as I can decipher from >> various >> sources ) into the CMI IIx. >> >> But should I connect it to the Midi box Sync input with a cable from >> the >> Midi box clock out to the CMI sync input or >> >> should I only connect to the Midi Box or >> >> should I only connect to the CMI Sync input. >> >> That´s the question. >> >> Hmmm..... >> >> Maybe I should solder some adapters. >> >> WT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill" <billyrockplay@yahoo.com> >> To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:41 PM >> Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: Syncing a IIx >> >> In the past - we would record a track of sync tone and then feed it >> back to >> the Fairlight (IIx) to sync the Fairlight to tape. I never ttried >> synching >> with midi though i would assume this can be done on the IIx. I sync >> with >> SMPTE now on a series III. >> good luck. >> billyrock >> >> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "WT" <waveterm@...> wrote: >> > >> > Bump ! >> > >> > No one ? >> > >> > WT >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "WT" <waveterm@...> >> > To: <Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:03 AM >> > Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Syncing a IIx >> > >> > >> > > So....I´ve made my masterpiece of music using Page R and want to >> sync it >> > > to >> > > an external clock source. >> > > >> > > Where do I connect my syncsource ? >> > > >> > > To the CMI XLR Sync connector or, >> > > >> > > to the 3-pin DIN connector on the General Interface box ? >> > > >> > > And/or should I make a special cable that goes from the General >> > > Interface >> > > Box Sync Out ( 4 ) to the CMI XLR Sync input ? >> > > >> > > WT >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-01-15 by tomulcahy
Hi Rob, Great to hear from you! Your CD was the first thing I bought for my newly acquired Yamaha TX16W, must have been 1992? Good times! I still have it ;) Tomás. --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brady <rbrady@...> wrote:
> > Hi guys, > > I just wanted to introduce myself since my request to join the group was > just granted. :-)
2010-01-23 by blixton
Can the fairlight IIx be played from an mpc sequencer with midi and thus provide opportunity of ditching the big fairlight keyboard? (room real estate issue)
2010-01-24 by David
--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, blixton <blixton@...> wrote: > > Can the fairlight IIx be played from an mpc sequencer with midi and thus > provide opportunity of ditching the big fairlight keyboard? (room real > estate issue) > Sure!
2010-02-05 by dkevefnzs
Hi Tim! I have the same card and would also love to learn how it should exactly work... Kind regards, Joerg --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Tim Curtis <sexsymbol@...> wrote:
> > This all reminds me. Does anyone out there have any info on the Syco > Conductor card? > > I've got one of the cards but no interface box to use with it. I > could probably reverse engineer it if I could get a little info on > what the features were. > > It would be nice to know what this thing can do. Probably not all > that useful, but certainly a rarity. > > > Thanks! > > Tim