Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Crap crap crap!!  Here I am playing along with my favorite cds, the 
music cranked up, and I'm banging away on my drums, life is 
good...then all of a sudden while I'm playing my dual zone ride 
cymbal, the PCY65S, it starts messing up!  When I hit the pad 
surface for the ride cymbal, sometimes it gives me the crash sound I 
have programmed for the edge of the cymbal.  And when I hit the edge 
of the cymbal it always gives me this wierd muted choked cymbal 
sound, like I'm choking the crash.  I already turned off the module 
and reinserted the jacks to both the module and cymbal and still its 
acting funny!  I do bang on the thing pretty hard and I guess its 
not as stable as banging on a tom pad but I'm not sure if I messed 
it up!  I have a one year warranty with the store i bought it from 
and they'll fix me up in the store, but this really sucks! :(  I 
never needed you guys more than now!  So please help!  Thank you!!

Ok I step away from the set to write this post and now all of a 
sudden it works perfectly.  Hopefully this will keep up, but 
suggestions are still welcome!  I'll keep playing to see if it 
contines to work!


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> Crap crap crap!!  Here I am playing along with my favorite cds, 
the 
> music cranked up, and I'm banging away on my drums, life is 
> good...then all of a sudden while I'm playing my dual zone ride 
> cymbal, the PCY65S, it starts messing up!  When I hit the pad 
> surface for the ride cymbal, sometimes it gives me the crash sound 
I 
> have programmed for the edge of the cymbal.  And when I hit the 
edge 
> of the cymbal it always gives me this wierd muted choked cymbal 
> sound, like I'm choking the crash.  I already turned off the 
module 
> and reinserted the jacks to both the module and cymbal and still 
its 

> acting funny!  I do bang on the thing pretty hard and I guess its 
> not as stable as banging on a tom pad but I'm not sure if I messed 
> it up!  I have a one year warranty with the store i bought it from 
> and they'll fix me up in the store, but this really sucks! :(  I 
> never needed you guys more than now!  So please help!  Thank you!!

Ok I just went through Sepultura's Roots Bloody Roots and the ride 
cybmal is jacked. :(  I need help.



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> Crap crap crap!!  Here I am playing along with my favorite cds, 
the 
> music cranked up, and I'm banging away on my drums, life is 
> good...then all of a sudden while I'm playing my dual zone ride 
> cymbal, the PCY65S, it starts messing up!  When I hit the pad 
> surface for the ride cymbal, sometimes it gives me the crash sound 
I 
> have programmed for the edge of the cymbal.  And when I hit the 
edge 
> of the cymbal it always gives me this wierd muted choked cymbal 
> sound, like I'm choking the crash.  I already turned off the 
module 
> and reinserted the jacks to both the module and cymbal and still 
its 

> acting funny!  I do bang on the thing pretty hard and I guess its 
> not as stable as banging on a tom pad but I'm not sure if I messed 
> it up!  I have a one year warranty with the store i bought it from 
> and they'll fix me up in the store, but this really sucks! :(  I 
> never needed you guys more than now!  So please help!  Thank you!!

OK after further examination, the cymbal works fine when there is no 
sound assigned to its edge.  I'll test it more tomorrow, I'm too 
tired tonight to try anything more.  i need some chicken supreme 
pizza!


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> Crap crap crap!!  Here I am playing along with my favorite cds, 
the 
> music cranked up, and I'm banging away on my drums, life is 
> good...then all of a sudden while I'm playing my dual zone ride 
> cymbal, the PCY65S, it starts messing up!  When I hit the pad 
> surface for the ride cymbal, sometimes it gives me the crash sound 
I 
> have programmed for the edge of the cymbal.  And when I hit the 
edge 
> of the cymbal it always gives me this wierd muted choked cymbal 
> sound, like I'm choking the crash.  I already turned off the 
module 
> and reinserted the jacks to both the module and cymbal and still 
its 

> acting funny!  I do bang on the thing pretty hard and I guess its 
> not as stable as banging on a tom pad but I'm not sure if I messed 
> it up!  I have a one year warranty with the store i bought it from 
> and they'll fix me up in the store, but this really sucks! :(  I 
> never needed you guys more than now!  So please help!  Thank you!!

Hi underneath,

There may be something going on with your cymbal, but then again 
there may not. E-drums and cymbals respond better to finesse than to 
power. If you're wailing away at the cymbal, you may be hitting it 
awkwardly, causing the FSR and piezo to react to each other oddly. 
After all, they aren't that far away from each other, and their 
interaction is a bit of a delicate dance. When you get up tomorrow 
(with indigestion from the pizza), try positioning the cymbal so 
that you can play it as a ride, away from the edges, without hitting 
the raised section unless you want to crash. If that doesn't work, 
something might be wrong. Also, it's easy to choke the cymbal 
unintentionally, whether riding or crashing, if your stick doesn't 
clear the raised rim fast enough after you hit it. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> OK after further examination, the cymbal works fine when there is 
no 
> sound assigned to its edge.  I'll test it more tomorrow, I'm too 
> tired tonight to try anything more.  i need some chicken supreme 
> pizza!
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven 
<realvast@s...>" 
> <realvast@s...> wrote:
> > Crap crap crap!!  Here I am playing along with my favorite cds, 
> the 
> > music cranked up, and I'm banging away on my drums, life is 
> > good...then all of a sudden while I'm playing my dual zone ride 
> > cymbal, the PCY65S, it starts messing up!  When I hit the pad 
> > surface for the ride cymbal, sometimes it gives me the crash 
sound 
> I 
> > have programmed for the edge of the cymbal.  And when I hit the 
> edge 
> > of the cymbal it always gives me this wierd muted choked cymbal 
> > sound, like I'm choking the crash.  I already turned off the 
> module 
> > and reinserted the jacks to both the module and cymbal and still 
> its 
> > acting funny!  I do bang on the thing pretty hard and I guess 
its 
> > not as stable as banging on a tom pad but I'm not sure if I 
messed 
> > it up!  I have a one year warranty with the store i bought it 
from 
> > and they'll fix me up in the store, but this really sucks! :(  I 
> > never needed you guys more than now!  So please help!  Thank 
you!!

OK so i got up this morning refreshed but with a tummy ache and 
decided to check up on my ride cymbal.  Apparently if I hit the ride 
part of the pad softly I'll always get the ride sound.  But if I hit 
it a little harder, it crashes like the edge of the rim is 
programmed to.  When I hit the edge of the pad I get that choked 
cymbal sound.  I assigned only one sound to the pad, like just the 
ride sound for example, and it works fine.  Is it possible that 
maybe that sensitivity button got messed around with or something in 
the back?  I really hope I'm not hitting these things too hard.  
Last night I broke the tip of my drumstick but I think its when I 
hit the rack.  This morning I woke up and my hands have all these 
little red spots on them.  Guess its time for some gloves and some 
more pizza!  Dr. Ed help me!


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> Crap crap crap!!  Here I am playing along with my favorite cds, 
the 
> music cranked up, and I'm banging away on my drums, life is 
> good...then all of a sudden while I'm playing my dual zone ride 
> cymbal, the PCY65S, it starts messing up!  When I hit the pad 
> surface for the ride cymbal, sometimes it gives me the crash sound 
I 
> have programmed for the edge of the cymbal.  And when I hit the 
edge 
> of the cymbal it always gives me this wierd muted choked cymbal 
> sound, like I'm choking the crash.  I already turned off the 
module 
> and reinserted the jacks to both the module and cymbal and still 
its 

> acting funny!  I do bang on the thing pretty hard and I guess its 
> not as stable as banging on a tom pad but I'm not sure if I messed 
> it up!  I have a one year warranty with the store i bought it from 
> and they'll fix me up in the store, but this really sucks! :(  I 
> never needed you guys more than now!  So please help!  Thank you!!

>Apparently if I hit the ride part of the pad softly I'll always get 
>the ride sound.  But if I hit it a little harder, it crashes like 
>the edge of the rim is programmed to.  When I hit the edge of the 
>pad I get that choked cymbal sound.  I assigned only one sound to 
>the pad, like just the ride sound for example, and it works fine.  
>Is it possible that maybe that sensitivity button got messed around 
>with or something in the back? I really hope I'm not hitting these 
>things too hard.

It's hard to tell whether you're hitting too hard, or something's 
not right with the cymbal. I don't think that the cymbal would act 
funny if you accidentally flipped the corresponding DIP switch on 
the back of the module (almost impossible to do, I might add). It 
would just make the cymbal louder. One thing you might check is 
whether you have the pad type for that input set correctly in the 
trigger menu. If it's not "PCY ride," the cymbal might react funny. 
But I'm betting that you're hitting the cymbal too hard for the two 
trigger types to remain sufficiently isolated. Hitting the Yamaha 
stereo cymbals, or any gum rubber stereo cymbal, correctly takes 
some trial and error (more like glancing blows than head on).  The 
more you stray from precision through sheer power, especially in the 
early days, the more likely is the cymbal to misbehave. By the way, 
gloves aren't a bad idea, if only to protect your fingers from 
blisters and bruises and give your wrists a little support. The 
rubber can take its toll.

  
 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven 
<realvast@s...>" 
> <realvast@s...> wrote:
> > Crap crap crap!!  Here I am playing along with my favorite cds, 
> the 
> > music cranked up, and I'm banging away on my drums, life is 
> > good...then all of a sudden while I'm playing my dual zone ride 
> > cymbal, the PCY65S, it starts messing up!  When I hit the pad 
> > surface for the ride cymbal, sometimes it gives me the crash 
sound 
> I 
> > have programmed for the edge of the cymbal.  And when I hit the 
> edge 
> > of the cymbal it always gives me this wierd muted choked cymbal 
> > sound, like I'm choking the crash.  I already turned off the 
> module 
> > and reinserted the jacks to both the module and cymbal and still 
> its 
> > acting funny!  I do bang on the thing pretty hard and I guess 
its 
> > not as stable as banging on a tom pad but I'm not sure if I 
messed 
> > it up!  I have a one year warranty with the store i bought it 
from 
> > and they'll fix me up in the store, but this really sucks! :(  I 
> > never needed you guys more than now!  So please help!  Thank 
you!!

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:07:57 -0000, you wrote:


>early days, the more likely is the cymbal to misbehave. By the way, 
>gloves aren't a bad idea, if only to protect your fingers from 
>blisters and bruises and give your wrists a little support. The 
>rubber can take its toll.

I'd also add  that you should be using a light stick on the rubber
pads.  A heavy stick like a 5A will be torture on your hands and
wrists after a while.

I use Pro Mark 747 Hickory's.  I've tried several brands and models
but nothing has the 747's size and light weight.  I have a pair of Vic
Firth Terry Bozzio Phase Ones that I like, but they are a little
heavier than the 747's.  I use them occasionally but find that
repeated use causes sore hands and wrists.




____________________________

Jim

Hey Ratzo, thanks for the advice.  Right now I'm using 7A on the set 
and already broke a tip by hitting the plastic frame.  I don't 
really like 5A for some reason.  Actually I'm trying to find out 
what I like again, I can't remember from when I was in highschool.  
How about the zildijan z4?  I was looking at a pair of those and I 
just ordered some zil Tim Alexander sticks.  Seen those?  

I think I was hitting the pad edge too hard to be honest with you 
all.  I'll save all that for my crash I guess.  Or maybe I'll just 
take it easy on the cymbals.  But thats hard when your trying to 
learn some fear factory and you act like your shooting a video! :)




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:07:57 -0000, you wrote:
> 
> 
> >early days, the more likely is the cymbal to misbehave. By the 
way, 
> >gloves aren't a bad idea, if only to protect your fingers from 
> >blisters and bruises and give your wrists a little support. The 
> >rubber can take its toll.
> 
> I'd also add  that you should be using a light stick on the rubber
> pads.  A heavy stick like a 5A will be torture on your hands and
> wrists after a while.
> 
> I use Pro Mark 747 Hickory's.  I've tried several brands and models
> but nothing has the 747's size and light weight.  I have a pair of 
Vic

> Firth Terry Bozzio Phase Ones that I like, but they are a little
> heavier than the 747's.  I use them occasionally but find that
> repeated use causes sore hands and wrists.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> Jim

I think I may be dealing with a vibration issue here.  If i hit the 
pad surface of the ride cymbal hard enough, I'll get the crash sound 
programmed for the edge, so I guess I'll hit it softer from now on.  
But that doesnt explain why last night the edge of the pad was 
giving me that wierd muted cmybal sound, however, as of today it no 
longer does that.  I dont know...




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven <realvast@s...>" 
<realvast@s...> wrote:
> Hey Ratzo, thanks for the advice.  Right now I'm using 7A on the 
set 
> and already broke a tip by hitting the plastic frame.  I don't 
> really like 5A for some reason.  Actually I'm trying to find out 
> what I like again, I can't remember from when I was in 
highschool.  
> How about the zildijan z4?  I was looking at a pair of those and I 
> just ordered some zil Tim Alexander sticks.  Seen those?  
> 
> I think I was hitting the pad edge too hard to be honest with you 
> all.  I'll save all that for my crash I guess.  Or maybe I'll just 
> take it easy on the cymbals.  But thats hard when your trying to 
> learn some fear factory and you act like your shooting a video! :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:07:57 -0000, you wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > >early days, the more likely is the cymbal to misbehave. By the 
> way, 
> > >gloves aren't a bad idea, if only to protect your fingers from 
> > >blisters and bruises and give your wrists a little support. The 
> > >rubber can take its toll.
> > 
> > I'd also add  that you should be using a light stick on the 
rubber
> > pads.  A heavy stick like a 5A will be torture on your hands and
> > wrists after a while.
> > 
> > I use Pro Mark 747 Hickory's.  I've tried several brands and 
models
> > but nothing has the 747's size and light weight.  I have a pair 
of 

> Vic
> > Firth Terry Bozzio Phase Ones that I like, but they are a little
> > heavier than the 747's.  I use them occasionally but find that
> > repeated use causes sore hands and wrists.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________________________
> > 
> > Jim