In article <000901c1f9c3$f4283820$ca9f7a94@w0x3x7>, James R. Acker
<jacker@...> writes
>Thanks again for getting me pointed in the right direction. I have some
>more info now....it still seems to be that same problem, but I now have
>verified that messages coming OUT of the An1x are normal and as they
>should be. I can ONLY monitor the An1x OUT ( PC Soundcard IN) with what
>I have now. I see though that if the PC is up and I power up the An1x
>it sends back the following messages:
>
>timestamp port status data1 data2 channel event
>========= ==== ====== ===== ===== ====== =====
>11D16 1 B0 07 7F 1
>Control Change
Volume message!!
>11D16 1 B0 04 7F 1
>Control Change (these first happen at same time)
Footswitch message!!
>11D18 1 E0 00 40 1
>Pitch bend (had my hands off the pitch wheel...)
>then status all the time...
>11DDC 1 FE -- --
>Active Sensing
>11EE2 ----------------- " ---------------------------------------
>
>This keeps up all the time.
>
The active sensing is OK, it is supposed to happen, it is to allow the
synth to stop all notes if a cable is pulled out from it.
>If I filter out these, or simply press a key I see "key on" and "key
>off" happening and it all looks reasonable. I conclude from this that
>the PC soundcard IN and An1x OUT is okay. The problem is somehow in the
>PC soundcard OUT or An1x IN.
>
>Have swapped cables and the problem stays, but I don't have another
>MIDI-splitter cable so I could only test the extension cables. Both are
>okay.
>
>I remembered that I have MIDI on my DR770 Drum machine. I hooked it up
>and as soon as I power on the PC I get "SERIAL ERROR!" on the LCD of my
>drum machine. Here again...if I disconnect the OUT from the PC
>soundcard( IN on the DR770) it comes up. I can even try a bulk dump and
>see messaged coming in to the PC.
>
>So that narrows the problem to the PC soundcard OUT OR the cable from
>gameport out, or the PC setup somehow.
>
>If I can find the original drivers I can try putting back the SB16 card
>that once worked and verifying that this in fact is failing in the same
>way...or I can try and find the receipt and get a trade.
>
>It helped to see that you see some messages. I undesrtand from your
>mail that you see just the 24 messages and after that things are quiet
>on the OUT line...that there is no more "chatter" after that right? I
>don't see that...I see the chatter all the time.
>
Yep, 24 messages all the same, each cold reboot. Nothing else after
that, not even active sensing. Don't forget I'm monitoring the midi out
of the card before my bios has completely POST'ed, once windows is
running there is absolutely nothing from the card.
>Could you check in your setup and see if in the control panel, if you
>go into the joystick icon, there is a check box for something about
>"polling joystick" down at the bottom of the second menu. I have tried
>both settings, but should this be off? It is damn confusing, because if
>the SB card is "acting" like a joystick it might need some joystick
>stuff enabled...on the other hand it might need it off...hard to know.
>
I don't have anything like that, I see the 'creative gameport' but
nothing about polling.
>Any more ideas? You have been a big help so far!
>
Unfortunately not, all I have installed are the drivers that came with
the OS (XP in my case, but they are real WDM drivers), so that's really
where my help stops.
Actually, maybe, the Active sensing could be coming from the AN1x, which
would explain the constant chatter that you see. If you can see the
chatter with just the output of the AN1x connected to the SB midi in
then that would prove it. Then you can effectively ignore the constant
chatter.
Have you tried turning on the PC and the AN1x without anything connected
then try connecting the out of the card to the in of the synth?
>Jim
>
>
>=============================================================
>Please check out my original music at my site http://home.online.no/~jacker
>Or at http://www.soundclick.com/bands/jacker_music.htm
> -James R. Acker-
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Reggie" <reggie@...>
>To: <An1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [AN1x] MIDI problems...HELP!
>
>
>> OK, so, I checked the midi output of the crappy SB card on my other PC,
>> and it is sending out 24 'bank' messages on channel 16.
>>
>> 0011E38A 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E38B 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E38B 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E38C 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E38C 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E38D 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E391 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E391 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E391 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E391 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E391 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E391 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E391 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E392 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E393 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E393 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E394 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E394 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E395 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E396 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E396 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E397 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>> 0011E397 4 BF 00 00 16 -- CC: Bank MSB
>>
>> But it only does this from a 'Cold' boot. Doing a plain restart does
>> nothing, so I suspect that it is a spike through the card when it gets
>> it's initial power.
>>
>> I suggest that you try plugging in the midi out of the card to the midi
>> in only on the AN1x (Don't connect the other one) AFTER the PC has
>> booted. That way you can test just the output once all the spurious
>> junk has gone out of the cable. Once the bootup junk has gone there is
>> no other midi data coming from the SB PCI card.
>>
>> Now you know that it is a load of 'Bank' messages at least you can
>> filter it from the AN1x.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In article <$u2J$PENTl38EwEU@...>, Reggie
>> <reggie@...> writes
>> >What Soundblaster card is it? I've got a PCI128 I think (Can't
>> >remember, it's working OK AFAIK, I only use it for games mostly, but the
>> >Midi I/O works fine). BTW. I agree that Creative are absolute rubbish,
>> >their support is amongst the worst I have ever come across, and to cap
>> >it all they want to charge some users of their products for driver
>> >updates!!
>> >
>> >Anyway, my point is I have a 2nd PC hooked up to this machine, so I can
>> >use midi-ox on the 2nd machine to monitor what the midi-out from the SB
>> >is doing at boot time.
>> >
>> >I'll get back to you in a second when I have rebooted this machine and
>> >checked.
>> >
>> >
>> >In article <002601c1f9a3$874de8a0$f79f7a94@w0x3x7>, James R. Acker
>> ><jacker@...> writes
>> >>By the way...I will never give another cent to Creative Labs...I have
>> >>never seen such rot. I bought two different boards from them. In both
>> >>cases the installation is screwy and doesn't follow ANY of the
>> >>standards that are considered normal...like progress bars to let you
>> >>know install hasn't hung up, and also the fact that I end up wildly
>> >>different software after each install...of the SAME installation CD.
>> >>
>> >> And to top it off, just try going to their web site and getting a
>> >>download or an online manual. Half the time they redirect you to
>> >>nonexistent/broken web pages, or take forever to load...
>> >>
>> >> No, I agree with you on that, I am through supporting this kind of
>> >>crap, and will spread the word whenever I get a chance. I just meant
>> >>that SINCE I have the thing...and have made it work before, I want to
>> >>get it to work now.
>> >>
>> >>=============================================================
>> >>Please check out my original music at my site http://home.online.no/~jacker
>> >>Or at http://www.soundclick.com/bands/jacker_music.htm
>> >> -James R. Acker-
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: <terryfunken@...>
>> >>To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
>> >>Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:41 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [AN1x] MIDI problems...HELP!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> In a message dated 11/5/02 10:00:07 am, jacker@... writes:
>> >>>
>> >>> >NEXT: I had in meantime bought a newer soundcard (Creative Labs
>> >>> >Soundbolaster
>> >>> >PCI card) and changed out the soundcard I had which was an older
>> >>> >Soundblaster
>> >>> >card. I installed the drivers and am experiencing exactly the same
>> >>> >symptoms.
>> >>> >
>> >>> Hi Jim,
>> >>>
>> >>> I my experience- DON'T go for cheap soundcards that offer both midi and
>> >>> sound. Usually the midi is only designed for gaming and basic music
>> >>> applications. The AN1x requires high level data to be sent to and
>> >>>fro with
>> >>> midi keyboard info on top of that. If you are pleased with the
>> >>>quality of the
>> >>> soundblaster card, then stick with that- but only for sound- also the
>> >>> soundblaster drivers are unreliable (for the time being-
>> >>>although, i would
>> >>> recommend spending a bit extra and getting a Korg 12/12
>> >>>secondhand-for eg.).
>> >>> IMO it is better to get a seperate MIDI card such as a Midiman WINMAN PCI
>> >>> card- and with that you do have the option of multi midi ins and
>> >>>outs too.
>> >>>
>> >>> good luck!
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom
>> >>>
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