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version 2.0 when in hell??

Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by David

Look at some of the previous posts.  Sean and Aaron (directly from EMU) have
been posting regularly...


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Re: version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by digitalbusta2000

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David" <spec@s...> wrote:
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Re: [xl7] Re: version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by David

I imagine that we will see it within the next 2 weeks (14 whole days...)
maybe sooner...
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RE: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by Andre Lewis

The official word is that they found and killed a last minute bug, that they
released it to be tested and if everything looks kool they will release it.  I'm
ok with a wait, especially if it means better software.  Tho not tooo much of a
wait... :)

Andre
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Soon!  Some last minute bugs held up the release, but the fix is with the 
beta testers right now.  Seriously not much longer now, it'll be worth the 
wait.  Much better than prematurely releasing a buggy OS  and having 
everyone bitching, no?  :)

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Re: [xl7] Re: version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Sooner I bet, no promises though.

rEalm






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I imagine that we will see it within the next 2 weeks (14 whole days...)
maybe sooner...
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by aeon

On 4/1/03 7:27 AM, "erik_magrini@..."
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> Soon!  Some last minute bugs held up the release,
> but the fix is with the beta testers right now.
> Seriously not much longer now, it'll be worth
> the wait.  Much better than prematurely releasing
> a buggy OS  and having everyone bitching, no?  :)

true, but even if it is bug-free, people will be
bitching if in fact x-mix parts come in at the
volume of the saved pattern, and not the current
mix volume...as well as the fact that x-mix
switching occurs immediately, with no opportunity
to create bar-sync'd swaps and multi-part changes.


cheers,
aeon

Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by David

People will bitch no matter what.  You can't please all of the people all of
the time ;)


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> On 4/1/03 7:27 AM, "erik_magrini@..."
> <erik_magrini@...> wrote:
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> > Soon!  Some last minute bugs held up the release,
> > but the fix is with the beta testers right now.
> > Seriously not much longer now, it'll be worth
> > the wait.  Much better than prematurely releasing
> > a buggy OS  and having everyone bitching, no?  :)
>
> true, but even if it is bug-free, people will be
> bitching if in fact x-mix parts come in at the
> volume of the saved pattern, and not the current
> mix volume...as well as the fact that x-mix
> switching occurs immediately, with no opportunity
> to create bar-sync'd swaps and multi-part changes.
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by aeon

On 4/1/03 10:12 AM, "David"
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>>> Soon!  Some last minute bugs held up the release,
>>> but the fix is with the beta testers right now.
>>> Seriously not much longer now, it'll be worth
>>> the wait.  Much better than prematurely releasing
>>> a buggy OS  and having everyone bitching, no?  :)

>> true, but even if it is bug-free, people will be
>> bitching if in fact x-mix parts come in at the
>> volume of the saved pattern, and not the current
>> mix volume...as well as the fact that x-mix
>> switching occurs immediately, with no opportunity
>> to create bar-sync'd swaps and multi-part changes.

> People will bitch no matter what.  You can't please
> all of the people all of the time ;)

agreed, but there is a difference, and a significant
one at that, between features that would be nice and
are wished for, however esoteric, and ones that
provide basic functionality given the context of their
use.


cheers,
aeon

Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

"Basic functionality given the context" depends entirely upon the context 
of each user though.  For instance, when I first started messing with 
X-Mix, I too wanted the new part to come in at the pattern loop, but not 
because I wanted to add more parts, just because I thought it would 
provide more of a safety net when you're playing live so you don't 
accidentally start a new part too early or late (could be bad with a 4 
measure held pad if you miss the Note On for instance).  Having played 
with it some though, I see that it's actually pretty neat being able to 
drop stuff in when ever, you can transition to a new part by dropping it 
1/4 note early, makes a little fill so to speak.

Anyway, I can't even believe people are complaining already and they 
haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet.  We're 
SOOOO lucky that we even got this OS, you guys have no idea....

rEalm


Besdes, I'm sure there's a lot of people going "X-mix, *shrug* so what?". 



agreed, but there is a difference, and a significant one at that, between 
features that would be nice and
are wished for, however esoteric, and ones that provide basic 
functionality given the context of their
use.



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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by Reuben Clarke

Im guessing this is going to be the last major OS upgrade since your saying
it was so hard to come by. But whatever, i'll live, everything i wanted to
be added or improved has been so i wont complain if it is the last (pending
there arent many bugs... cause everything has some bugs)
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Just saying we're lucky, they could have left us at 1.32, nothing more.

rEalm





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Im guessing this is going to be the last major OS upgrade since your 
saying
it was so hard to come by. But whatever, i'll live, everything i wanted to
be added or improved has been so i wont complain if it is the last 
(pending
there arent many bugs... cause everything has some bugs)


> SOOOO lucky that we even got this OS, you guys have no idea....
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by Reuben Clarke

no doubt really glad they didnt. :) so thanks 2 all who helped with the new
OS .... people complain 2 much.


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> Just saying we're lucky, they could have left us at 1.32, nothing more.
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by David

can you "quantize" when the part comes in?  My fingers are pretty shaky ;)
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> "Basic functionality given the context" depends entirely upon the context
> of each user though.  For instance, when I first started messing with
> X-Mix, I too wanted the new part to come in at the pattern loop, but not
> because I wanted to add more parts, just because I thought it would
> provide more of a safety net when you're playing live so you don't
> accidentally start a new part too early or late (could be bad with a 4
> measure held pad if you miss the Note On for instance).  Having played
> with it some though, I see that it's actually pretty neat being able to
> drop stuff in when ever, you can transition to a new part by dropping it
> 1/4 note early, makes a little fill so to speak.
>
> Anyway, I can't even believe people are complaining already and they
> haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet.  We're
> SOOOO lucky that we even got this OS, you guys have no idea....
>
> rEalm
>
>
> Besdes, I'm sure there's a lot of people going "X-mix, *shrug* so what?".
>
>
>
> agreed, but there is a difference, and a significant one at that, between
> features that would be nice and
> are wished for, however esoteric, and ones that provide basic
> functionality given the context of their
> use.
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-01 by Evan Riley

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On 4/1/03 10:12 AM, "David"
<spec@...> wrote:


>> true, but even if it is bug-free, people will be
>> bitching if in fact x-mix parts come in at the
>> volume of the saved pattern, and not the current
>> mix volume...as well as the fact that x-mix
>> switching occurs immediately, with no opportunity
>> to create bar-sync'd swaps and multi-part changes.


>agreed, but there is a difference, and a significant
>one at that, between features that would be nice and
>are wished for, however esoteric, and ones that
>provide basic functionality given the context of their
>use.
  
I have to agree here. The omissions seriously hamper the ability to use x-mix live. Imagine accidentally swapping the pattern one bar early and throwing your whole groove off, and having it blast at a much higher volume in context with a different set of sounds! Don't get me wrong, ill still use it, ill probably just sweat a little more about it than id like.
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Aaron Eppolito

Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before you
trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time in
the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start the
new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing the
beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be silly.

-Aaron

--- Evan Riley <NuIndustry1@...> wrote:
> I have to agree here. The omissions seriously hamper the ability to
> use x-mix live. Imagine accidentally swapping the pattern one bar
> early and throwing your whole groove off, and having it blast at a
> much higher volume in context with a different set of sounds! Don't
> get me wrong, ill still use it, ill probably just sweat a little more
> about it than id like.


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Re: version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by soundcrafter

The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time in
> the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start the
> new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing 
the
> beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be 
silly.
> 

Yeah, that would be silly... which is what everyone is worried 
about :)

It sounds cool to me... good for abrupt musical twists and turns...

RE: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Andre Lewis

All hail Aaron!  Arbitrator of all things commandly!  Woohoo! **itches for new
OS, mMMMmmm**
Sounds like everything is good to go!

Andre
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Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before you
trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time in
the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start the
new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing the
beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be silly.

-Aaron

--- Evan Riley <NuIndustry1@...> wrote:
> I have to agree here. The omissions seriously hamper the ability to
> use x-mix live. Imagine accidentally swapping the pattern one bar
> early and throwing your whole groove off, and having it blast at a
> much higher volume in context with a different set of sounds! Don't
> get me wrong, ill still use it, ill probably just sweat a little more
> about it than id like.


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Re: version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by mikexl7

Aaron I can't wait to try it out.  I have been reading the thread 
and watching it go from excited to sceptical.  It is kinda sad.  I 
love the fact that work is going into this box that is at the hart 
of my studio and don't take it for granted.  Just wanted to be one 
more person saying thanks for spending your time applying your 
skills where I will benefit at no cost.

I hope that the OS kicks ass, and I hope that you get some good 
press on it.  

Peace 

Mike G.

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> Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before 
you
> trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time 
in
> the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start 
the
> new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing 
the
> beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be 
silly.
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by David

(OOOOOH that makes much better sence... cents.... senz...

:)
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> Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before you
> trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time in
> the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start the
> new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing the
> beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be silly.
>
> -Aaron
>
> --- Evan Riley <NuIndustry1@...> wrote:
> > I have to agree here. The omissions seriously hamper the ability to
> > use x-mix live. Imagine accidentally swapping the pattern one bar
> > early and throwing your whole groove off, and having it blast at a
> > much higher volume in context with a different set of sounds! Don't
> > get me wrong, ill still use it, ill probably just sweat a little more
> > about it than id like.
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Re: [xl7] Re: version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by David

speaking of which, I hope that EMU does go to press on it.  I personally
visit Harmony Central daily, and haven't seen emu up there in ages...


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> Aaron I can't wait to try it out.  I have been reading the thread
> and watching it go from excited to sceptical.  It is kinda sad.  I
> love the fact that work is going into this box that is at the hart
> of my studio and don't take it for granted.  Just wanted to be one
> more person saying thanks for spending your time applying your
> skills where I will benefit at no cost.
>
> I hope that the OS kicks ass, and I hope that you get some good
> press on it.
>
> Peace
>
> Mike G.
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> > Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before
> you
> > trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time
> in
> > the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start
> the
> > new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing
> the
> > beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be
> silly.
> >
> > -Aaron
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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

But then their rep would suffer . . . doing for "us" is not a wholly selfless act. Which is fine and good business. If not for good business, we would all still buying used MPC60s.
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  Just saying we're lucky, they could have left us at 1.32, nothing more.

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          To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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          Subject:        Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


  Im guessing this is going to be the last major OS upgrade since your 
  saying
  it was so hard to come by. But whatever, i'll live, everything i wanted to
  be added or improved has been so i wont complain if it is the last 
  (pending
  there arent many bugs... cause everything has some bugs)


  > SOOOO lucky that we even got this OS, you guys have no idea....
  >
  > rEalm



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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

You "can't even believe people are complaining already and they 
haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet." ???

Why not? I can't believe that xmix will not at least start the incoming loop using some sort of quantize to fit the currently playing pattern to the next quarternote or something meaningful (or choosable). I don't have to try it to know if there will be problems or, no, not "problems," that's not fair, but "limitations," if I am to trust your description so far. I understand that there are limitations to everything, and as I said I am happy to get the extra features, BUT, I would would be happier to hear, for example, Aaron tell us, if indeed that is how it works, either "gee we would have loved to do that, but it is absolutely impossible given the current structure of the command stations," OR " we chose to do it this way because of these cool things you can do, like . . . , see just turn your thinking around and see the power you have . .  etc."

Right? I mean c'mon rEalm, you know I love you, and I know you write the faq, and I love the E-mu guys too, but this *isn't* your baby, even if they gave you some betas. If it were, I know you would have done it better, or you could tell me which one of the statements above is the deal. I think E-mu rocks and I make a point of telling people I meet that I think so. But I won't stop asking for better stuff or pretend that the act of upping the OS and bugfixing is a wholly selfless act on the part of E-mu, especially with a unit still selling retail. They need you and me and all of us to say we love the unit to our friends and in stores and online. Else Creative will wrap it up like poor Ensoniq and poor Sean and Aaron will join Dave R. making soundcards, woo hoo! (I hope to never see that happen).

E-mu rocks and I am greedy! :)

Ravi
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From: erik_magrini@... 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


  "Basic functionality given the context" depends entirely upon the context 
  of each user though.  For instance, when I first started messing with 
  X-Mix, I too wanted the new part to come in at the pattern loop, but not 
  because I wanted to add more parts, just because I thought it would 
  provide more of a safety net when you're playing live so you don't 
  accidentally start a new part too early or late (could be bad with a 4 
  measure held pad if you miss the Note On for instance).  Having played 
  with it some though, I see that it's actually pretty neat being able to 
  drop stuff in when ever, you can transition to a new part by dropping it 
  1/4 note early, makes a little fill so to speak.

  Anyway, I can't even believe people are complaining already and they 
  haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet.  We're 
  SOOOO lucky that we even got this OS, you guys have no idea....

  rEalm


  Besdes, I'm sure there's a lot of people going "X-mix, *shrug* so what?". 



  agreed, but there is a difference, and a significant one at that, between 
  features that would be nice and
  are wished for, however esoteric, and ones that provide basic 
  functionality given the context of their
  use.



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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

THANK GOD, of course it would be silly! heh, heh. That's all I need to hear and would have waited to say any more, except I had to ask rEalm but he didn't know and before I could wait for your post he started chiding us . . . :) 

Sorry for freaking out, but see, I have seen Roland *remove* a perfectly working megamix from their grooveboxes and i have seen Yamaha reinvent the method of sampling architecture and purposefully create manuals to cause brain hemorraging and I have seen Waldorf promise an OS update for three years and refuse to fix a bug as obsure as NO downward Portamento and I have even seen a company not allow one to tweak filter resonance on the fly while holding one note dow . . . . WHOOOOPS! :) :) heh, heh . . . I love synths. If they were all perfect I would cry.

Aaron you rock! Come to New York and I'll buy ALL the drinks. You too Sean!

Ravi
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andre Lewis 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:53 PM
  Subject: RE: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


  All hail Aaron!  Arbitrator of all things commandly!  Woohoo! **itches for new
  OS, mMMMmmm**
  Sounds like everything is good to go!

  Andre


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:21 PM
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


  Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before you
  trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time in
  the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start the
  new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing the
  beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be silly.

  -Aaron

  --- Evan Riley <NuIndustry1@...> wrote:
  > I have to agree here. The omissions seriously hamper the ability to
  > use x-mix live. Imagine accidentally swapping the pattern one bar
  > early and throwing your whole groove off, and having it blast at a
  > much higher volume in context with a different set of sounds! Don't
  > get me wrong, ill still use it, ill probably just sweat a little more
  > about it than id like.


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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

I really must remember to read all my email before responding at the end of a long day . . .
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ravi Ivan Sharma 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


  You "can't even believe people are complaining already and they 
  haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet." ???

  Why not? I can't believe that xmix will not at least start the incoming loop using some sort of quantize to fit the currently playing pattern to the next quarternote or something meaningful (or choosable). I don't have to try it to know if there will be problems or, no, not "problems," that's not fair, but "limitations," if I am to trust your description so far. I understand that there are limitations to everything, and as I said I am happy to get the extra features, BUT, I would would be happier to hear, for example, Aaron tell us, if indeed that is how it works, either "gee we would have loved to do that, but it is absolutely impossible given the current structure of the command stations," OR " we chose to do it this way because of these cool things you can do, like . . . , see just turn your thinking around and see the power you have . .  etc."

  Right? I mean c'mon rEalm, you know I love you, and I know you write the faq, and I love the E-mu guys too, but this *isn't* your baby, even if they gave you some betas. If it were, I know you would have done it better, or you could tell me which one of the statements above is the deal. I think E-mu rocks and I make a point of telling people I meet that I think so. But I won't stop asking for better stuff or pretend that the act of upping the OS and bugfixing is a wholly selfless act on the part of E-mu, especially with a unit still selling retail. They need you and me and all of us to say we love the unit to our friends and in stores and online. Else Creative will wrap it up like poor Ensoniq and poor Sean and Aaron will join Dave R. making soundcards, woo hoo! (I hope to never see that happen).

  E-mu rocks and I am greedy! :)

  Ravi


  From: erik_magrini@... 
    To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


    "Basic functionality given the context" depends entirely upon the context 
    of each user though.  For instance, when I first started messing with 
    X-Mix, I too wanted the new part to come in at the pattern loop, but not 
    because I wanted to add more parts, just because I thought it would 
    provide more of a safety net when you're playing live so you don't 
    accidentally start a new part too early or late (could be bad with a 4 
    measure held pad if you miss the Note On for instance).  Having played 
    with it some though, I see that it's actually pretty neat being able to 
    drop stuff in when ever, you can transition to a new part by dropping it 
    1/4 note early, makes a little fill so to speak.

    Anyway, I can't even believe people are complaining already and they 
    haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet.  We're 
    SOOOO lucky that we even got this OS, you guys have no idea....

    rEalm


    Besdes, I'm sure there's a lot of people going "X-mix, *shrug* so what?". 



    agreed, but there is a difference, and a significant one at that, between 
    features that would be nice and
    are wished for, however esoteric, and ones that provide basic 
    functionality given the context of their
    use.



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RE: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Andre Lewis

No no, we all get very emotional over our pet instruments, and I have to say we
have been pretty well behaved and Emu has done an exceptional job of getting
stuff into the OS.  Huge difference between the current version and the one I
played with at Namm three years ago?!? Seems like yesterday.... :)  If I have to
wait much longer I might explode!

Andre
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ravi Ivan Sharma [mailto:noision1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:41 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


I really must remember to read all my email before responding at the end of a
long day . . .
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ravi Ivan Sharma
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


  You "can't even believe people are complaining already and they
  haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet." ???

  Why not? I can't believe that xmix will not at least start the incoming loop
using some sort of quantize to fit the currently playing pattern to the next
quarternote or something meaningful (or choosable). I don't have to try it to
know if there will be problems or, no, not "problems," that's not fair, but
"limitations," if I am to trust your description so far. I understand that there
are limitations to everything, and as I said I am happy to get the extra
features, BUT, I would would be happier to hear, for example, Aaron tell us, if
indeed that is how it works, either "gee we would have loved to do that, but it
is absolutely impossible given the current structure of the command stations,"
OR " we chose to do it this way because of these cool things you can do, like .
. . , see just turn your thinking around and see the power you have . .  etc."

  Right? I mean c'mon rEalm, you know I love you, and I know you write the faq,
and I love the E-mu guys too, but this *isn't* your baby, even if they gave you
some betas. If it were, I know you would have done it better, or you could tell
me which one of the statements above is the deal. I think E-mu rocks and I make
a point of telling people I meet that I think so. But I won't stop asking for
better stuff or pretend that the act of upping the OS and bugfixing is a wholly
selfless act on the part of E-mu, especially with a unit still selling retail.
They need you and me and all of us to say we love the unit to our friends and in
stores and online. Else Creative will wrap it up like poor Ensoniq and poor Sean
and Aaron will join Dave R. making soundcards, woo hoo! (I hope to never see
that happen).

  E-mu rocks and I am greedy! :)

  Ravi


  From: erik_magrini@...
    To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


    "Basic functionality given the context" depends entirely upon the context
    of each user though.  For instance, when I first started messing with
    X-Mix, I too wanted the new part to come in at the pattern loop, but not
    because I wanted to add more parts, just because I thought it would
    provide more of a safety net when you're playing live so you don't
    accidentally start a new part too early or late (could be bad with a 4
    measure held pad if you miss the Note On for instance).  Having played
    with it some though, I see that it's actually pretty neat being able to
    drop stuff in when ever, you can transition to a new part by dropping it
    1/4 note early, makes a little fill so to speak.

    Anyway, I can't even believe people are complaining already and they
    haven't even released the OS and no one's actually USED X-MIX yet.  We're
    SOOOO lucky that we even got this OS, you guys have no idea....

    rEalm


    Besdes, I'm sure there's a lot of people going "X-mix, *shrug* so what?".



    agreed, but there is a difference, and a significant one at that, between
    features that would be nice and
    are wished for, however esoteric, and ones that provide basic
    functionality given the context of their
    use.



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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Evan Riley

Thanks for the clarification Aaron.  Dont get me wrong, like i said, ill be more than happy to use the X-mix, I just thought that was a shortcoming. Picking up in the same spot in the new pattern should cover that base.(i hope!)  

Evan
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----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:25 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before you
trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time in
the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start the
new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing the
beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be silly.

-Aaron

--- Evan Riley <NuIndustry1@...> wrote:
> I have to agree here. The omissions seriously hamper the ability to
> use x-mix live. Imagine accidentally swapping the pattern one bar
> early and throwing your whole groove off, and having it blast at a
> much higher volume in context with a different set of sounds! Don't
> get me wrong, ill still use it, ill probably just sweat a little more
> about it than id like.


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RE: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Andre Lewis

In the land of milk and honey who are we to ask for tang?
:)

Andre
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From: Evan Riley [mailto:NuIndustry1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:57 PM
To: xl7yahoogroup
Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??


 Thanks for the clarification Aaron.  Dont get me wrong, like i said, ill be
more than happy to use the X-mix, I just thought that was a shortcoming. Picking
up in the same spot in the new pattern should cover that base.(i hope!)

Evan

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:25 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

Guys, why don't you wait till you at least try the feature before you
trash it.  The part picks up immediately, at the appropriate time in
the sequence.  If you swap it in at bar 3, beat 2, it will start the
new track immediately at bar 3, beat 2.  It doesn't start playing the
beginning of the track in the middle of the pattern, that'd be silly.

-Aaron

--- Evan Riley <NuIndustry1@...> wrote:
> I have to agree here. The omissions seriously hamper the ability to
> use x-mix live. Imagine accidentally swapping the pattern one bar
> early and throwing your whole groove off, and having it blast at a
> much higher volume in context with a different set of sounds! Don't
> get me wrong, ill still use it, ill probably just sweat a little more
> about it than id like.


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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Uh oh!  Now you guys hav done it, pissed off the guy writing the OS, not 
good. 

I personally think silly things are fun though, it could lead to a whole 
new genre "silly beats".  Oh wait, that was happy hardcore....

rEalm



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pattern, that'd be silly.










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Re: [xl7] version 2.0 when in hell??

2003-04-02 by Evan Riley

Ugh. Just thinking about Happy Hardcore gives me a headache! :)

Evan
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To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
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Uh oh!  Now you guys hav done it, pissed off the guy writing the OS, not  
good.  

I personally think silly things are fun though, it could lead to a whole  
new genre "silly beats".  Oh wait, that was happy hardcore....

rEalm



It doesn't start playing the beginning of the track in the middle of the  
pattern, that'd be silly.










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