Yahoo Groups archive

Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Index last updated: 2026-04-29 00:09 UTC

Thread

The FAQ

The FAQ

2003-04-01 by mikexl7

It has been a long time since i looked at that FAQ and I just want 
to say nice work.

First off I wan't to say that it looks like X-Mix is going to make 
playing live alot more live, if ya know what I mean.  I am also a DJ 
and like being able to just read the crowd and slap the vinyl down 
and get my hands dirty in the mix.  

Now I will be able to have lets say one pattern that is the guts of 
the track, a pattern for the build.  and maby a couple of variations 
of the main pattern for fun and do the rest on the fly as I would 
with my records.  Now that is good news!

Another thing that cought my eye is that the record replace seems to 
have changed unless there is sompthing that I have been missing.  Do 
the controllers curently replace the existing datta?  when i try and 
go over a track and redo the controller info it always seems to be 
fighting with the existing datta.  It is that i am just not 
replacing all the datta and therefore getting sudden jumps in the 
datta.

some insight into this would be great.  And as for the X-Mix feature 
dam I cant wait to get my hands on that one.

Take care 

Mike G.

Re: The FAQ / manuals / arps and track changes

2003-04-01 by soundcrafter

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mikexl7" <curiousproductions@r...> wrote:
> It has been a long time since i looked at that FAQ and I just want 
> to say nice work.

No doubt about this one... this FAQ almost makes me feel like an 
idiot, because when I read it I realize how little I actually know 
about this machine :)  Probably half the stuff in the FAQ i've never 
even heard of... which brings me to my first question...

I have a hard copy manual, but it's revision *A!*... So I'm guessing 
there's a lot of information missing, considering the PDF I just got 
from the emu website is rev F.  Does this revision have info 
pertinent to OS 2, or will there be another after its released? I'm 
really considering purchasing a new manual if it's going to be up to 
date. PDFs are cool and everything, but there's just nothing like a 
big fat ass manual to flip through :)  

Second topic:  I doubt I'm the only one who's noticed this... but if 
I have a arpeggiated preset playing on a track and I switch to a 
different track in mid-pattern, the track with the arp goes silent 
until the pattern loops back to the beginning.  Will OS 2 fix this, 
or is it something that I'll just have to learn to live with?  Or, as 
a third alternative, am I just screwing up somehow? :)

Thanks for the help... now if you'll excuse me I SWEAR my xl-7 just 
called my name....

Duane

Re: [xl7] The FAQ

2003-04-01 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Assuming it works as advertised, X-Mix appears great!! And even better than Megamix (which is awsome) and I'll tell you why: 

In MC-505 megamix you can move say part 6 from another pattern into the currently playing pattern, but it's destination must be part 6.  Then you can move part 3 from a separate pattern into the currently playing pattern but its destination must be part 3, etc.

In X-Mix you can move for example part 10 from another pattern into *any* part of the currently playing pattern. That is *far* more poweful.

In practice of course, in order not to confuse the hell out of yourself, you are likely to adhear to some method of part placement, i.e. kick always on a particular channel, leads on another, etc, so ultimately it may end up the same, but at least you have options.

I find interesting that the switch to the new part happens *as soon as* you press the executing button. On the Roland, the change would happen at the start of the next pattern. This would give you time to actually cue up more than one changed part using megamix before they would all kick in right at the start of the pattern. This also was nice when you knew that the next bassline would instantly kick into place automatically (while you were busy with something else). It would be nice to have *that* option in the E-mu, although I am sure there are some reasons for the choice.

Something that I really like in regard to XMIX over Megamix is that with megamix you often used the same sliders that controlled volume to do the megamix, which would sometime require fast switch of gears to effect volume fades and do megamix. It appears that with X-Mix you never lose control over the knobs and thus can X-MIX away while still fading in and out or whatever with the knobs.

Another thing for you would be DJ's out there, if I am not mistaken, you can have a single part (track) in a pattern have more than one midi channel data on it, indeed you can gang a whole mix tune of midi on say 8 or 12 or 16 midichannels into one "track." So this being the case, there is no reason that you can't have say a pattern designed to be the outtro of a set of patterns (i.e a tune during your set) and another pattern designed to be the intro of a similar set of patterns (i.e. the next tune in your set) that you have specially contructed to be almost the whole deal on one track. (hell you could be simple and just set up the whole tune this way, if you didn't require real time improv) then when it is time to switch over, you move into outro pattern which infact has all its data on say track 1, and then X-MIX say track 2 from the similarly prepared intro track into track 2 of the currently playing pattern, then you can simply crossfade a whole playing track into the whole other, i.e. many playing midi channels fading into a whole bunch of other playing midi channels, -- all with two knobs. After that you switch over to normal patterns or whatever. . wow, there are lots of possibilities.


I have one question about X-MIX though. In the faq it says:

"The instant you select a Source Track it begins playing, regardless of it's Mute Status as saved in the Source Pattern."

My question is: What about the state of the Mute Status in the destination track of the currently playing pattern? I.e. if I want to move track 3 from pattern 45 into track 5 of the currently playing pattern, can I mute track 5 in the currently playing pattern, then execute a megamix and have the source's track 3 playing (yet muted) in track five of the currently playing pattern so that I can unmute it when I want? Or must I use the volume amount for the destination track, and will that remain in effect when I execute the megamix? I.e. I want to be able to fade out a part, move in a new part and fade in useing the knobs or the mute button. Can I do that?

Thanks,

Ravi
Show quoted textHide quoted text
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mikexl7 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:12 PM
  Subject: [xl7] The FAQ


  It has been a long time since i looked at that FAQ and I just want 
  to say nice work.

  First off I wan't to say that it looks like X-Mix is going to make 
  playing live alot more live, if ya know what I mean.  I am also a DJ 
  and like being able to just read the crowd and slap the vinyl down 
  and get my hands dirty in the mix.  

  Now I will be able to have lets say one pattern that is the guts of 
  the track, a pattern for the build.  and maby a couple of variations 
  of the main pattern for fun and do the rest on the fly as I would 
  with my records.  Now that is good news!

  Another thing that cought my eye is that the record replace seems to 
  have changed unless there is sompthing that I have been missing.  Do 
  the controllers curently replace the existing datta?  when i try and 
  go over a track and redo the controller info it always seems to be 
  fighting with the existing datta.  It is that i am just not 
  replacing all the datta and therefore getting sudden jumps in the 
  datta.

  some insight into this would be great.  And as for the X-Mix feature 
  dam I cant wait to get my hands on that one.

  Take care 

  Mike G.


        Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
              ADVERTISEMENT
             
       
       

  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

X-Mix Pattern Switching

2003-04-01 by aeon

On 3/31/03 9:38 PM, "Ravi Ivan Sharma"
<noision1@...> wrote:

> I find interesting that the switch to the new part happens
> *as soon as* you press the executing button. On the Roland,
> the change would happen at the start of the next pattern.
> This would give you time to actually cue up more than one
> changed part using megamix before they would all kick in
> right at the start of the pattern. This also was nice when
> you knew that the next bassline would instantly kick into
> place automatically (while you were busy with something
> else). It would be nice to have *that* option in the E-mu,
> although I am sure there are some reasons for the choice.

I wonder what those reasons would be...this seems like an
odd limitation, and a potentially irritating one at that.

Pattern-sync'd changes would certainly be welcome for
those times when the music needs to be burp-free. ;)


cheers,
aeon

Re: [xl7] The FAQ

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

First off I wan't to say that it looks like X-Mix is going to make 
playing live alot more live, if ya know what I mean.

>>Definitely, I cut my teeth playing live using Roland's Megamix, it was 
perfect for improving live sets, without being all over the place. This is 
even better IMO. <<<

Another thing that cought my eye is that the record replace seems to 
have changed unless there is sompthing that I have been missing.  Do 
the controllers curently replace the existing datta? 

>>>Yes, they overwrite the existing controllers, but you're right it can 
lead to some 'fighting' between the previously recorded values, and the 
new ones.  This will eliminate that. <<<

 
rEalm


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] The FAQ

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

In practice of course, in order not to confuse the hell out of yourself, 
you are likely to adhear to some method of part placement, i.e. kick 
always on a particular channel, leads on another, etc, so ultimately it 
may end up the same, but at least you have options.

>>>Exactly, for the most reliable results you'll probably want to stick to 
some sort fo set track placement, which is luckily something I do anyway. 
Another nice thing, is that it's much easier to select the source Track 
and Pattern too, using those sliders in megamix was touchy at best 
sometimes.  Also, very quick to swap out more than one track from the same 
patterns. <<<

I find interesting that the switch to the new part happens *as soon as* 
you press the executing button. On the Roland, the change would happen at 
the start of the next pattern. This would give you time to actually cue up 
more than one changed part using megamix before they would all kick in 
right at the start of the pattern. This also was nice when you knew that 
the next bassline would instantly kick into place automatically (while you 
were busy with something else). It would be nice to have *that* option in 
the E-mu, although I am sure there are some reasons for the choice.

>>>Hehe, yeah, my thoughts exactly and exactly what i suggested too.  But 
ummm...I was shot down on that point :) <<<

Something that I really like in regard to XMIX over Megamix is that with 
megamix you often used the same sliders that controlled volume to do the 
megamix, which would sometime require fast switch of gears to effect 
volume fades and do megamix. It appears that with X-Mix you never lose 
control over the knobs and thus can X-MIX away while still fading in and 
out or whatever with the knobs.

>>>I should really read further down before I start replying... <<<

I have one question about X-MIX though. In the faq it says:

"The instant you select a Source Track it begins playing, regardless of 
it's Mute Status as saved in the Source Pattern."

My question is: What about the state of the Mute Status in the destination 
track of the currently playing pattern?  I.e. if I want to move track 3 
from pattern 45 into track 5 of the currently playing pattern, can I mute 
track 5 in the currently playing pattern, then execute a megamix and have 
the source's track 3 playing (yet muted) in track five of the currently 
playing pattern so that I can unmute it when I want? Or must I use the 
volume amount for the destination track, and will that remain in effect 
when I execute the megamix? I.e. I want to be able to fade out a part, 
move in a new part and fade in useing the knobs or the mute button. Can I 
do that?

>>I think all mutes are disregarded when selecting new tracks in X-MIX. If 
the source or destination track is muted it doesn't matter.  I don't think 
you can do what you want, you'd need to rely on the volume pots as you 
say. <<<

rEalm







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] X-Mix Pattern Switching

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought this was the way it should be!  In 
use though, it's really not a big deal, you just need to time your 
selection of the source track, that's all.  It's really only a limitation 
if you wanted to select more than one part, and have them all come in at 
once when the pattern loops.

rEalm



I wonder what those reasons would be...this seems like an
odd limitation, and a potentially irritating one at that.

Pattern-sync'd changes would certainly be welcome for
those times when the music needs to be burp-free. ;)


cheers,
aeon








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] Re: The FAQ / manuals / arps and track changes

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

No doubt about this one... this FAQ almost makes me feel like an  idiot, 
because when I read it I realize how little I actually know about this 
machine :)  Probably half the stuff in the FAQ i've never even heard of...

>>>Glad it's of some use then!  Hope people find it helpful... <<<

So I'm guessing there's a lot of information missing, considering the PDF 
I just got from the emu website is rev F.  Does this revision have info 
pertinent to OS 2, or will there be another after its released?

>>>The Revision F PDF doesn't have new OS features in it, I'm sure there 
will be an addendum shortly after the OS is released, probably another 
full revision of the manual after that. <<<

I'm really considering purchasing a new manual if it's going to be up to 
date. PDFs are cool and everything, but there's just nothing like a 
big fat ass manual to flip through :)

>>>I agree, will there be a new hard copy manual for us to purchase Emu??? 
<<< 

Second topic:  I doubt I'm the only one who's noticed this... but if I 
have a arpeggiated preset playing on a track and I switch to a different 
track in mid-pattern, the track with the arp goes silent until the pattern 
loops back to the beginning.  Or, as a third alternative, am I just 
screwing up somehow? :)

>>>Is the arp part of the preset, or are you selecting it in the Pattern 
secreen?  This never happens with mine, but I save my arps with the 
Preset... <<<

Thanks for the help... now if you'll excuse me I SWEAR my xl-7 just called 
my name....

>>>Mine does that all the time too! :) <<<

rEalm










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] X-Mix Pattern Switching

2003-04-01 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

just to clarify, if you hit the executing button say at beat 3 of bar 2 in a 4 bar pattern, the new part will start to play, but will it start to play at *its* beat 3 of bar 2 in it's pattern? I hope so, as opposed to at *its* beat one of bar one. And what if the part you select is from a 2 bar pattern and your currently playing pattern is a 3 bar pattern (and vise versa)?

Thanks rEalm.

Ravi
Show quoted textHide quoted text
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: erik_magrini@... 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] X-Mix Pattern Switching


  Glad I wasn't the only one who thought this was the way it should be!  In 
  use though, it's really not a big deal, you just need to time your 
  selection of the source track, that's all.  It's really only a limitation 
  if you wanted to select more than one part, and have them all come in at 
  once when the pattern loops.

  rEalm



  I wonder what those reasons would be...this seems like an
  odd limitation, and a potentially irritating one at that.

  Pattern-sync'd changes would certainly be welcome for
  those times when the music needs to be burp-free. ;)


  cheers,
  aeon








  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


        Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
              ADVERTISEMENT
             
       
       

  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] The FAQ

2003-04-01 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Huh? You mean in order to fade in a megamixed placed new part on say track 16, I have to fade down the volume on the currently playing part on track 16 (no problem) then execute a megamix to bring in a new part onto track 16, and *at the split second after* I execute the megamix, cram down the volume on track 16 (hoping no one heard the loud blip of the track before I got to it) and then fade in? I would have hope, most reasonably and logically, that the current volume, mute, etc of track 16 in the currently playing pattern would be maintained upon the insertion via megamix of a new part into track 16. The MC505 was pretty solid in doing this and allowed for seamless and controlled fade ins and fade outs, etc.

I hope I am wrong about this. But still welcome the new features nonetheless. I hope to hear about what limitations made such a feature impossible to implement, or what BENEFIT not having this feature will be available, hence the design choice.

Ravi
Show quoted textHide quoted text
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: erik_magrini@... 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] The FAQ
  >>I think all mutes are disregarded when selecting new tracks in X-MIX. If 
  the source or destination track is muted it doesn't matter.  I don't think 
  you can do what you want, you'd need to rely on the volume pots as you 
  say. <<<

  rEalm







  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


        Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
              ADVERTISEMENT
             
       
       

  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] X-Mix Pattern Switching

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

just to clarify, if you hit the executing button say at beat 3 of bar 2 in 
a 4 bar pattern, the new part will start to play, but will it start to 
play at *its* beat 3 of bar 2 in it's pattern? I hope so, as opposed to at 
*its* beat one of bar one. And what if the part you select is from a 2 bar 
pattern and your currently playing pattern is a 3 bar pattern (and vise 
versa)?

>>>Don't know on either of these, haven't even tried to do that yet! :)  I 
mainly switch at the pattern loop point or on the even divsions of the 
pattern.  I'll give it a go tonight and see though.  Damn, now I gotta 
write a 3 bar pattern.... <<<

Thanks rEalm.

>>>De nada. <<<

rEalm

 





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] The FAQ

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

You New Yorker's are so demanding! :) 

Honestly, when and if I get the betas there's no documentation with those 
at all, so it's up to me to play with it and see how it works and what's 
new.  Everything I've posted so far has just been from what I've learned 
while playing with it (hadn't even thought of the volume issue until you 
brought it up), so there may be more to it than I have discovered so far. 
As to your question, I'm pretty sure that the new parts take their volume 
settings from the SOURCE track as it's saved with the SOURCE pattern.  Not 
entirely sure, and I'm at work right now so I can't just go run and test 
it (or I most certainly would with all of these questions).    Sorry Ravi, 
wish I could give you some hard and fast answers right now, but I'll have 
to go and try this out first.

rEalm



Huh? You mean in order to fade in a megamixed placed new part on say track 
16, I have to fade down the volume on the currently playing part on track 
16 (no problem) then execute a megamix to bring in a new part onto track 
16, and *at the split second after* I execute the megamix, cram down the 
volume on track 16 (hoping no one heard the loud blip of the track before 
I got to it) and then fade in?  I hope I am wrong about this. But still 
welcome the new features nonetheless. 






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [xl7] X-Mix Pattern Switching

2003-04-01 by aeon

On 4/1/03 7:26 AM, "erik_magrini@..."
<erik_magrini@...> wrote:

> Glad I wasn't the only one who thought this was
> the way it should be!  In use though, it's really
> not a big deal, you just need to time your selection
> of the source track, that's all.  It's really only a
> limitation if you wanted to select more than one part,
> and have them all come in at once when the pattern loops.

umm...yeah, that is what I would want!!

why would someone not want to bring in multiple parts
at one time, and have them all start in sync?

this sounds crazy!


sigh,
aeon

Re: [xl7] X-Mix Pattern Switching

2003-04-01 by aeon

On 4/1/03 9:16 AM, "Ravi Ivan Sharma"
<noision1@...> wrote:

> just to clarify, if you hit the executing button
> say at beat 3 of bar 2 in a 4 bar pattern, the
> new part will start to play, but will it start
> to play at *its* beat 3 of bar 2 in it's pattern?
> I hope so, as opposed to at *its* beat one of bar
> one.

though having the option could make for some tasty
offset parts! ;)

> And what if the part you select is from a 2 bar
> pattern and your currently playing pattern is a
> 3 bar pattern (and vise versa)?

good question...I guess we will know soon.

the inability to bring multiple parts in at once,
in sync, is quite a surprise. perhaps OS 2.0
should be delayed a little longer?


cheers,
aeon

Re: [xl7] X-Mix Pattern Switching

2003-04-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Because right now you can't even bring in one part from another Pattern :)

rEalm



why would someone not want to bring in multiple parts
at one time, and have them all start in sync?

this sounds crazy!


sigh,
aeon



To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: The FAQ / manuals / arps and track changes

2003-04-02 by mikexl7

Interesting point there rEalm.  I am selecting the arp via the 
preset screen.  I will try saving the arp with the preset and see if 
that fixes the problem.  If it do fix it i will be a happy guy :)

Mike G.


Second topic: I doubt I'm the only one who's noticed this... but if I
have a arpeggiated preset playing on a track and I switch to a 
different 
track in mid-pattern, the track with the arp goes silent until the 
pattern 
loops back to the beginning. Or, as a third alternative, am I just 
screwing up somehow? :)

>>>Is the arp part of the preset, or are you selecting it in the 
Pattern 
secreen? This never happens with mine, but I save my arps with the 
Preset... <<<

Thanks for the help... now if you'll excuse me I SWEAR my xl-7 just 
called 
my name....

>>>Mine does that all the time too! :) <<<

rEalm

Re: The FAQ / manuals / arps and track changes

2003-04-02 by soundcrafter

> 
> So I'm guessing there's a lot of information missing, considering 
the PDF 
> I just got from the emu website is rev F.  Does this revision have 
info 
> pertinent to OS 2, or will there be another after its released?
> 
> >>>The Revision F PDF doesn't have new OS features in it, I'm sure 
there 
> will be an addendum shortly after the OS is released, probably 
another 
> full revision of the manual after that. <<<

Right... But is there a big difference in the Rev A and Rev F 
manuals?  The reason I ask is b/c when I was reading thru the FAQ, I 
realized there are a LOT of things that my manual makes no mention 
of, like Beats mode and shortcuts, etc.  I guess those are features 
that were added as the OS was upgraded.  I've got this great machine 
sitting in front of me, and I want to make sure I have all the 
available information about it :)

Having said that, should I just wait for the next revision?  I assume 
it will have all the 2.0 relevant stuff in it, but how long will it 
take for it to be released?  Emu people help me out here! :)

> >>>I agree, will there be a new hard copy manual for us to purchase 
Emu??? <<<<

I would assume so... Rev F is available off the Emu website for 
thirty bucks...
 
> 
> Second topic:  I doubt I'm the only one who's noticed this... but 
if I 
> have a arpeggiated preset playing on a track and I switch to a 
different 
> track in mid-pattern, the track with the arp goes silent until the 
pattern 
> loops back to the beginning.  
> >>>Is the arp part of the preset, or are you selecting it in the 
Pattern 
> secreen?  This never happens with mine, but I save my arps with the 
> Preset... <<<<

Yeah, all my arps are set up as part of the preset... I wasn't even 
aware you could set up an arp in the pattern edit screens.

Maybe it has something to do with the way I trigger it... I go into 
step record, put in a single note where I want the arp to begin, then 
go into the Pattern edit menu and use the NOTE function to lengthen 
the note so the arp plays for the length of the pattern.  Should I be 
using a different approach here?  This just happened to be the first 
method I came across that worked, so maybe it's not the *right* way :)

Thanks for the help...

D

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.