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effects proccesors? mixxers?, what models do you use? any tips would 
help tons, Thanks

I am not sure I know what you mean can you be more descriptive in 
what you mean by computer sounding.





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "flaviotronic" <cracktastick@a...> wrote:
> effects proccesors? mixxers?, what models do you use? any tips 
would 
> help tons, Thanks

There are tons of things you can do, the usual suspects are adding some reverb
(light reverb!), delays, and some chorus.  You can add these on the computer or
as external effects.  In fact you can pump everything through something like a
digitech effects unit that's fairly inexpensive.  Other sneaky techniques
include doubling the sound with a really short delay (basically what a chorus,
flanger, and phasers are actually doing) by transmitting note on messages with a
roughly 10-100 ticks difference.  The original Orbits used this technique but it
cuts your polyphany in half.  You can do the same thing in an audio sequencer.

Other techniques include things like the BBE Sonic Maximizer, which threaten to
reconstruct the intent of the sound by "cleaning up" the low and high
frequencies.  It's not an eq, but it's as simple to use as an eq.  Other effects
are tape saturation (Usually PC only) which emulate track bleed and a kind of
audio smearing that just happens to work like a really smooth copmressor.  The
ability of software tape emulation is kinda debatable, I find that if you record
things better from the start things don't need much work.

Hope this helps...
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: flaviotronic [mailto:cracktastick@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:42 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] What do you use to make the sounds less computer
sounding..


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I have already used the effects processor on both my mp7 and k2500 
threw a behringer eurorack ub1202 4track mixer, and I record onto 
sonar 2.0, I have a turtle beach "Santa cruise" soundcard. It sounds 
nice, but can sound a lot better. Do you or anyone else have any 
product names of what I should look into to make it sound better? Oh 
and by "too computer sounding" i meant like, kinda like Nintendo 
sounding I guess? :/, not smooth or "studio sounding" enough haha. 
Any help would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks

LOL, sorry found that a bit ironic :)

rEalm



Other effects are tape saturation (Usually PC only) ....






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I really don't think it has anything to do with what products you're 
using, you already have more than enough to get your tunes sounding 
"professional" if that's what you're after.  At this point it becomes more 
about how you use those tools, not what they are.  Here's some quick 
pointers:

1. Crap in = crap out.  If you're recording so so sounds, you're probably 
only going to get a so so souding tune.  Take the time to brush up on your 
synthesis skills, try to make each sound really big and bold (where 
appropriate) without getting in the way of each other. Also, make sure 
you're recording all of your signals as hot as possible without clipping. 
This will help cut down on background noise.

2. Dynamics processing.  Use Eq and compression to help each track fit 
within the song.  This will also help you to keep instruments at a more 
constant level, as well as fiting into their own sonic "niches" in the 
frequency spectrum.

3. Tube emulations.  Kinda funny, but we now have plug ins that emulate 
the way vacuum tubes dirty up our nice clean signals!  If you can't afford 
the real deals (most of us can't/won't) then look into some plug ins 
designed to help your tracks sound warmer.  TL-Audio's EQ-1 is one of my 
all time favorite plug ins, even though it's probably the most boring one 
I own.  Crack up the input to overdrive your signal, just be sure to lower 
the output by the same amount.  Antares's new Tube plug in is another one 
I've been using a lot, it's only goal is to make things warmer.  Also, PSP 
Vintage Warmer is another one you should check out.

rEalm



I have already used the effects processor on both my mp7 and k2500 
threw a behringer eurorack ub1202 4track mixer, and I record onto 
sonar 2.0, I have a turtle beach "Santa cruise" soundcard. It sounds 
nice, but can sound a lot better. Do you or anyone else have any 
product names of what I should look into to make it sound better? Oh 
and by "too computer sounding" i meant like, kinda like Nintendo 
sounding I guess? :/, not smooth or "studio sounding" enough haha. 
Any help would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks









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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "flaviotronic" <cracktastick@a...> wrote:
> I have already used the effects processor on both my mp7 and k2500 
> threw a behringer eurorack ub1202 4track mixer, and I record onto 
> sonar 2.0, I have a turtle beach "Santa cruise" soundcard. It 
sounds 
> nice, but can sound a lot better. Do you or anyone else have any 
> product names of what I should look into to make it sound better? 
Oh 
> and by "too computer sounding" i meant like, kinda like Nintendo 
> sounding I guess? :/, not smooth or "studio sounding" enough haha. 
> Any help would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> LOL, sorry found that a bit ironic :)
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> Other effects are tape saturation (Usually PC only) ....
> 
> 
haha i just stumbled across tape saturation on sonar 2.0 today, any 
tips on how to use it properly?

> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Welll, I haven't popped open the one in Sonar, but typically they emulate the
tape machine, 16ips, 30ips etc. means 16 inches per second, which means that
there are more events in one area of the tape, meaning more sonic smearing since
you have to think of your events as blending into each other.  30ips means twice
as much information would be on the actual tape, so less smearing accross
independant events but simultanious events are going to experience tighter
compression. So 16ips should mean more blurring and soft knee compression, 30ips
= less blurring, better fidelity, and tighter compression with a harder
compression edge.  Amount is basically like compression cutoff in decibles.
Some include tape hiss, which really just adds harmonic noise above 16khz.  I
personally don't like the emulated tape hiss, and if you're really into noise
you should check out the some of the MDA vst plugins ;)  I know not in Sonar...
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: flaviotronic [mailto:cracktastick@...]
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:47 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: What do you use to make the sounds less computer
sounding..


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> LOL, sorry found that a bit ironic :)
>
> rEalm
>
>
>
> Other effects are tape saturation (Usually PC only) ....
>
>
haha i just stumbled across tape saturation on sonar 2.0 today, any
tips on how to use it properly?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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