Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Ok this is making me crazy.  

I can get the arps to send to external gear by creating a empty 
preset with the arp saved to the preset.  This works fine.

This is what is happening.  
On track 9 i have a bass line arp being sent to my sampler.
On track 10 I am trying to play the same arp to a lead synth sound 
in the XL7.

The arp plays the lead sound within the XL just fine but it is also 
playing the sund that is set up on the sampler on that chanel even 
though the chanel is set to internal.  I can't think of a way around 
this since i have to set the xl to send the arps to external gear 
via the arp menue to get it to send to the bass line. The reason 
this is a pain in the ass is that in a live situation i would have 
to create a pattern just to switch to an empty preset on the sampler.

This is work aroundable but is sloppy.

I can't belive that a box that has the most powerfull arps in the 
land cant work with external gear with out jumping through hoops.

I am begging and pleading to you Aaron that you help me out here or 
tell me that this problem is being taking care of in the long 
awaited new OS.  I Personaly see this as a major fault in the XL.  I 
am not one to bitch at the drop of a hat as i know that all gear has 
it't faults.  I would just love to see this worked out.

Bottom line....

Setting the chanel to internal should stop the arps from sending to 
external gear.

I would love some feed back on this one.  It seems that I am not 
missing sompthing but if I am I would love to know.

Mike G.

Ps if ya want to hear some tunes my myself go to 
www.mp3.com/michaelgoodwin

Well it's definitely a little weird until you realize that the ARPs are not
a separate controller feature in the XX-7 but are indeed part of the preset
voice architecture.  So external parts can not have arps, per say.  You can,
however as a matter of convenience direct a preset's arp MIDI data to one of
the MIDI ports. [I'm not defending E-mu's design choice here.  The fact that
the ARP feature arose from the Audity 2K explains though how this might
happen]

This subject was covered very thoroughly back in late November and early
December in posts by myself under the thread "the arp question, again".  I
suggest if your interested in all the gory details pursuing those.  I have a
draft written explaining this in one place but its not yet ready for
"publication".

if the archives don't help let me know!


drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com


On 2/13/03 8:26 PM, "mikexl7 <curiousproductions@...>"
<curiousproductions@...> wrote:

> Ok this is making me crazy.
> 
> I can get the arps to send to external gear by creating a empty
> preset with the arp saved to the preset.  This works fine.
> 
> This is what is happening.
> On track 9 i have a bass line arp being sent to my sampler.
> On track 10 I am trying to play the same arp to a lead synth sound
> in the XL7.
> 
> The arp plays the lead sound within the XL just fine but it is also
> playing the sund that is set up on the sampler on that chanel even
> though the chanel is set to internal.  I can't think of a way around
> this since i have to set the xl to send the arps to external gear
> via the arp menue to get it to send to the bass line. The reason
> this is a pain in the ass is that in a live situation i would have
> to create a pattern just to switch to an empty preset on the sampler.
> 
> This is work aroundable but is sloppy.
> 
> I can't belive that a box that has the most powerfull arps in the
> land cant work with external gear with out jumping through hoops.
> 
> I am begging and pleading to you Aaron that you help me out here or
> tell me that this problem is being taking care of in the long
> awaited new OS.  I Personaly see this as a major fault in the XL.  I
> am not one to bitch at the drop of a hat as i know that all gear has
> it't faults.  I would just love to see this worked out.
> 
> Bottom line....
> 
> Setting the chanel to internal should stop the arps from sending to
> external gear.
> 
> I would love some feed back on this one.  It seems that I am not
> missing sompthing but if I am I would love to know.
> 
> Mike G.
> 
> Ps if ya want to hear some tunes my myself go to
> www.mp3.com/michaelgoodwin

I just wanted to say thanks.  I looked through the archive and found 
one fantastic post that gives me a work around for my situation.  It 
was to do with midi port a and b and how they work with the arps. 

So thanks for your post i am now rolling again.

I would love to see it so you could just turn off the arp sending to 
the external gear.  

well there we go peace and thanks

Mike G.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, drK <drk@d...> wrote:
> Well it's definitely a little weird until you realize that the 
ARPs are not
> a separate controller feature in the XX-7 but are indeed part of 
the preset
> voice architecture.  So external parts can not have arps, per 
say.  You can,
> however as a matter of convenience direct a preset's arp MIDI data 
to one of
> the MIDI ports. [I'm not defending E-mu's design choice here.  The 
fact that
> the ARP feature arose from the Audity 2K explains though how this 
might
> happen]
> 
> This subject was covered very thoroughly back in late November and 
early
> December in posts by myself under the thread "the arp question, 
again".  I
> suggest if your interested in all the gory details pursuing 
those.  I have a
> draft written explaining this in one place but its not yet ready 
for
> "publication".
> 
> if the archives don't help let me know!
> 
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com
> 
> 
> On 2/13/03 8:26 PM, "mikexl7 <curiousproductions@r...>"
> <curiousproductions@r...> wrote:
> 
> > Ok this is making me crazy.
> > 
> > I can get the arps to send to external gear by creating a empty
> > preset with the arp saved to the preset.  This works fine.
> > 
> > This is what is happening.
> > On track 9 i have a bass line arp being sent to my sampler.
> > On track 10 I am trying to play the same arp to a lead synth 
sound
> > in the XL7.
> > 
> > The arp plays the lead sound within the XL just fine but it is 
also
> > playing the sund that is set up on the sampler on that chanel 
even
> > though the chanel is set to internal.  I can't think of a way 
around
> > this since i have to set the xl to send the arps to external gear
> > via the arp menue to get it to send to the bass line. The reason
> > this is a pain in the ass is that in a live situation i would 
have
> > to create a pattern just to switch to an empty preset on the 
sampler.
> > 
> > This is work aroundable but is sloppy.
> > 
> > I can't belive that a box that has the most powerfull arps in the
> > land cant work with external gear with out jumping through hoops.
> > 
> > I am begging and pleading to you Aaron that you help me out here 
or
> > tell me that this problem is being taking care of in the long
> > awaited new OS.  I Personaly see this as a major fault in the 
XL.  I
> > am not one to bitch at the drop of a hat as i know that all gear 
has
> > it't faults.  I would just love to see this worked out.
> > 
> > Bottom line....
> > 
> > Setting the chanel to internal should stop the arps from sending 
to

> > external gear.
> > 
> > I would love some feed back on this one.  It seems that I am not
> > missing sompthing but if I am I would love to know.
> > 
> > Mike G.
> > 
> > Ps if ya want to hear some tunes my myself go to
> > www.mp3.com/michaelgoodwin

On 2/14/03 8:42 PM, "mikexl7 <curiousproductions@...>"
<curiousproductions@...> wrote:

> I just wanted to say thanks.  I looked through the archive and found
> one fantastic post that gives me a work around for my situation.  It
> was to do with midi port a and b and how they work with the arps.
> 
> So thanks for your post i am now rolling again.
> 
> I would love to see it so you could just turn off the arp sending to
> the external gear.
> 
> well there we go peace and thanks
> 
> Mike G.
> 


Glad it helped Mike!

One of the great things about this list and E-mu's participation is that
they get to see us dealing with the realities of the instrument and they
*are* motivated to make it as great as they can.  So at least our desires
for a better way of using the arps are being heard!


drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com

Ya it is great that the emu folks are here well primarily Aaron.  I 
am hoping that sompthing happens with the arps in the new OS.
Peace out and thanks again for the lead on the archives.

Mike G.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, drK <drk@d...> wrote:
> On 2/14/03 8:42 PM, "mikexl7 <curiousproductions@r...>"
> <curiousproductions@r...> wrote:
> 
> > I just wanted to say thanks.  I looked through the archive and 
found
> > one fantastic post that gives me a work around for my 
situation.  It
> > was to do with midi port a and b and how they work with the arps.
> > 
> > So thanks for your post i am now rolling again.
> > 
> > I would love to see it so you could just turn off the arp 
sending to
> > the external gear.
> > 
> > well there we go peace and thanks
> > 
> > Mike G.
> > 
> 
> 
> Glad it helped Mike!
> 
> One of the great things about this list and E-mu's participation 
is that
> they get to see us dealing with the realities of the instrument 
and they
> *are* motivated to make it as great as they can.  So at least our 
desires

> for a better way of using the arps are being heard!
> 
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com