Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Spent more time on the XL-7 last night, and started to see some weirdness 
happening that had me worried.  I would be in grid record mode working on 
some beats, and if I used the data wheel to scale the velocity up or down 
for the one note the cursor was under, you could see the little bars 
representing ALL of my notes going up or down at the same time and by the 
same amount!  Here's the weird thing though, if I cursored over to one of 
these other notes, the display would still say that the note velocity was 
what I had recorded initially, even though the graphic representation of 
it was changing.  This happened quite a few times, but not every time. 
Strange!  And things like Pattern changes and scrolling through the menus 
were taking longer to do or acting jumpy too.  Power cycling the unit 
didn't help either.  Just when I was getting really worried, the 
"Compacting User Data" message appearred.  After a few minutes of letting 
the Xl-7 doing it's thing, all was fine.  the Pattern changes were speedy 
again, scrolling through the Edit menus was smoother, and no more grid 
edit weirdness.  Which leads me to think that the XX-7's seem to behave 
better after the Compacting.

Is there anyway to initiate the Compacting procedure whenever you want? 
One of the power up options maybe?  We used to do System Resets on the 
mc505 for the exact same reason, so being able to manually trigger a 
compacting before playing live for instance would be great if it makes the 
XX-7 behave better :)  Anyone?

rEalm

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I"ve had some strange grid mode problems as well.  Especially while
switching between tempo edit, and beat edit (1/8th 1/16th etc)...  I'm not
quite sure what's up

Also, My data wheel is kinda fucked.  It goes up sometimes when i go down
with it.  Contact spray?
----- Original Message -----

From: <erik_magrini@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:34 AM
Subject: [xl7] Weird behavior!


> Spent more time on the XL-7 last night, and started to see some weirdness
> happening that had me worried.  I would be in grid record mode working on
> some beats, and if I used the data wheel to scale the velocity up or down
> for the one note the cursor was under, you could see the little bars
> representing ALL of my notes going up or down at the same time and by the
> same amount!  Here's the weird thing though, if I cursored over to one of
> these other notes, the display would still say that the note velocity was
> what I had recorded initially, even though the graphic representation of
> it was changing.  This happened quite a few times, but not every time.
> Strange!  And things like Pattern changes and scrolling through the menus
> were taking longer to do or acting jumpy too.  Power cycling the unit
> didn't help either.  Just when I was getting really worried, the
> "Compacting User Data" message appearred.  After a few minutes of letting
> the Xl-7 doing it's thing, all was fine.  the Pattern changes were speedy
> again, scrolling through the Edit menus was smoother, and no more grid
> edit weirdness.  Which leads me to think that the XX-7's seem to behave
> better after the Compacting.
>
> Is there anyway to initiate the Compacting procedure whenever you want?
> One of the power up options maybe?  We used to do System Resets on the
> mc505 for the exact same reason, so being able to manually trigger a
> compacting before playing live for instance would be great if it makes the
> XX-7 behave better :)  Anyone?
>
> rEalm
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Seen that too, the Grid display will freeze on the current measure longer 
than it's supposed to right?

rEalm





"David DeciBel" <spec@...>
11/21/02 10:19 AM
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        Subject:        Re: [xl7] Weird behavior!


I"ve had some strange grid mode problems as well.  Especially while
switching between tempo edit, and beat edit (1/8th 1/16th etc)...  I'm not
quite sure what's up

Also, My data wheel is kinda fucked.  It goes up sometimes when i go down
with it.  Contact spray?
----- Original Message -----
From: <erik_magrini@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:34 AM
Subject: [xl7] Weird behavior!


> Spent more time on the XL-7 last night, and started to see some 
weirdness
> happening that had me worried.  I would be in grid record mode working 
on
> some beats, and if I used the data wheel to scale the velocity up or 
down
> for the one note the cursor was under, you could see the little bars
> representing ALL of my notes going up or down at the same time and by 
the
> same amount!  Here's the weird thing though, if I cursored over to one 
of
> these other notes, the display would still say that the note velocity 
was
> what I had recorded initially, even though the graphic representation of
> it was changing.  This happened quite a few times, but not every time.
> Strange!  And things like Pattern changes and scrolling through the 
menus
> were taking longer to do or acting jumpy too.  Power cycling the unit
> didn't help either.  Just when I was getting really worried, the
> "Compacting User Data" message appearred.  After a few minutes of 
letting
> the Xl-7 doing it's thing, all was fine.  the Pattern changes were 
speedy
> again, scrolling through the Edit menus was smoother, and no more grid
> edit weirdness.  Which leads me to think that the XX-7's seem to behave
> better after the Compacting.
>
> Is there anyway to initiate the Compacting procedure whenever you want?
> One of the power up options maybe?  We used to do System Resets on the
> mc505 for the exact same reason, so being able to manually trigger a
> compacting before playing live for instance would be great if it makes 
the
> XX-7 behave better :)  Anyone?
>
> rEalm
>
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>
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> We used to do System Resets on the 
> mc505 for the exact same reason, so being able to manually trigger a 
> compacting before playing live for instance would be great if it makes the 
> XX-7 behave better :)  Anyone?

Bad idea. Compaction should be semantically transparent, except for
the time it takes. if compaction is changing the way the XL-7 behaves,
then the software is broken and the bug needs to be fixed.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

I agree, it should be transparent (though ceasing to function for 3+ 
minutes is hardly transparent).  But if it is making things run smoother, 
then I'd at least like to know if there's an option to 'force it' to do 
this prior to critical shows or something.  That way, I can rest assured 
that it's not going to do the same thing on stage or whatever.

rEalm



Bad idea. Compaction should be semantically transparent, except for
the time it takes. if compaction is changing the way the XL-7 behaves,
then the software is broken and the bug needs to be fixed.



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I've seen lots of strange stuff that I usally passoff.  This is what I talk
about when I mention that the -7 is still a little buggy.  It's nothing that
really destroys my creative process or ruins my music, really, but it's damn
annoying...

----- Original Message -----
From: <erik_magrini@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Weird behavior!


> Seen that too, the Grid display will freeze on the current measure longer
> than it's supposed to right?
>
> rEalm
>
>
>
>
>
> "David DeciBel" <spec@...>
> 11/21/02 10:19 AM
> Please respond to xl7
>
>
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: [xl7] Weird behavior!
>
>
> I"ve had some strange grid mode problems as well.  Especially while
> switching between tempo edit, and beat edit (1/8th 1/16th etc)...  I'm not
> quite sure what's up
>
> Also, My data wheel is kinda fucked.  It goes up sometimes when i go down
> with it.  Contact spray?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <erik_magrini@...>
> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:34 AM
> Subject: [xl7] Weird behavior!
>
>
> > Spent more time on the XL-7 last night, and started to see some
> weirdness
> > happening that had me worried.  I would be in grid record mode working
> on
> > some beats, and if I used the data wheel to scale the velocity up or
> down
> > for the one note the cursor was under, you could see the little bars
> > representing ALL of my notes going up or down at the same time and by
> the
> > same amount!  Here's the weird thing though, if I cursored over to one
> of
> > these other notes, the display would still say that the note velocity
> was
> > what I had recorded initially, even though the graphic representation of
> > it was changing.  This happened quite a few times, but not every time.
> > Strange!  And things like Pattern changes and scrolling through the
> menus
> > were taking longer to do or acting jumpy too.  Power cycling the unit
> > didn't help either.  Just when I was getting really worried, the
> > "Compacting User Data" message appearred.  After a few minutes of
> letting
> > the Xl-7 doing it's thing, all was fine.  the Pattern changes were
> speedy
> > again, scrolling through the Edit menus was smoother, and no more grid
> > edit weirdness.  Which leads me to think that the XX-7's seem to behave
> > better after the Compacting.
> >
> > Is there anyway to initiate the Compacting procedure whenever you want?
> > One of the power up options maybe?  We used to do System Resets on the
> > mc505 for the exact same reason, so being able to manually trigger a
> > compacting before playing live for instance would be great if it makes
> the
> > XX-7 behave better :)  Anyone?
> >
> > rEalm
> >
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> That way, I can rest assured 
> that it's not going to do the same thing on stage or whatever.

Agreed, and there's a whole body of work on incremental
garbage-collection technology specially designed for systems where
realtime response is important (like, say, musical instruments). The
SuperCollider synthesis package does incremental GC, for example.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com