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I just came across this plug called stylus that comes with 3 gigs of 
drum loops/sounds (mostly breakbeats/hiphop kinda sounds which suites 
me just fine but also precussion loops and what not....) and a groove 
control feature that lets you freely rearrange and strech loops 
without sound degradetion... The price is about the same as Emu's 
drum rom. I was almost sold on the idea of the drum rom but this 
Stylus plugs sounds tempting too....


Is anyone willing to give pros/cons for each of the options? 


thanks in advance.

Hmm, well you're comparing vastly different things, but I can see your 
point with them being the same price.  Here's my take on it:

- Stylus. The big attraction here is the sheer quantity of samples you 
get, over 3GB if I remember correctly.  Most of them are very good for 
sure, Eric Pershing is an ace sound designer.  The downside is that you're 
more or less stuck with using the loops as is (minus the synth section) 
unless you export them as audio files and then slice and dice them.  Also, 
in order to use them, you need run the plug in from with in a computer 
sequencer, so partability's out.

- Protean Drum ROM.  While you don't get anywhere near the amount of 
samples as with Stylus (only 32MB), you do get nice and easy intregration 
with the XX-7, and quality acoustic drum samples.  So it's easy to just 
fire up the box and get working right away.  Not to mention you won't be 
tied into the computer either, which may or may not be an issue for you.

Personally, I think it all somes down to the way you're more comfortable 
working.  If you typically work in the PC and prefer that way or working, 
then Stylus may be the better choice.  However if you like working on 
hardware more, than I would say the Drum ROM would be a better choice.

rEalm




I just came across this plug called stylus that comes with 3 gigs of 
drum loops/sounds (mostly breakbeats/hiphop kinda sounds which suites 
me just fine but also precussion loops and what not....) and a groove 
control feature that lets you freely rearrange and strech loops 
without sound degradetion... The price is about the same as Emu's 
drum rom. I was almost sold on the idea of the drum rom but this 
Stylus plugs sounds tempting too....


Is anyone willing to give pros/cons for each of the options? 


thanks in advance.



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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Hmm, well you're comparing vastly different things, but I can see 
your 
> point with them being the same price.  Here's my take on it:
> 
> - Stylus. The big attraction here is the sheer quantity of samples 
you 
> get, over 3GB if I remember correctly.  Most of them are very good 
for 
> sure, Eric Pershing is an ace sound designer.  The downside is that 
you're 
> more or less stuck with using the loops as is (minus the synth 
section) 
> unless you export them as audio files and then slice and dice 
them.  Also, 
> in order to use them, you need run the plug in from with in a 
computer 
> sequencer, so partability's out.
> 
> - Protean Drum ROM.  While you don't get anywhere near the amount 
of 
> samples as with Stylus (only 32MB), you do get nice and easy 
intregration 
> with the XX-7, and quality acoustic drum samples.  So it's easy to 
just 
> fire up the box and get working right away.  Not to mention you 
won't be 
> tied into the computer either, which may or may not be an issue for 
you.
> 
> Personally, I think it all somes down to the way you're more 
comfortable 
> working.  If you typically work in the PC and prefer that way or 
working, 
> then Stylus may be the better choice.  However if you like working 
on 
> hardware more, than I would say the Drum ROM would be a better 
choice.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I just came across this plug called stylus that comes with 3 gigs 
of 
> drum loops/sounds (mostly breakbeats/hiphop kinda sounds which 
suites 
> me just fine but also precussion loops and what not....) and a 
groove 
> control feature that lets you freely rearrange and strech loops 
> without sound degradetion... The price is about the same as Emu's 
> drum rom. I was almost sold on the idea of the drum rom but this 
> Stylus plugs sounds tempting too....
> 
> 
> Is anyone willing to give pros/cons for each of the options? 
> 
> 
> thanks in advance.
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I agree with Realm.  You are comparing two vastly
different devices, but that could be a good thing.  To
be honest, I'd get the Stylus.  Why?  You already have
a ROM based sequencer (The Command Station of some
flavor)  Sure a lot of sounds are nice to have, but
I'm finding that syncing the XL-7 to a laptop running
loops in Ableton's live to be really useful.  No
matter how good you program your sequencer, because
it's a ROM based device you're not going to get
that... SOUND.  You know.  Of a real drummer.  Guys
like Realm don't care, as that's not really what
they're going for.  My friend Rick Walker (a
drummer/purcussionist) says this, "I love my drum
machine, but I do my best to make it sound like an
appliance."  I totally know what he's saying.  I like
to emphisize that the XL-7 is a machine, but then
juxtapose that with loops of live drums in Ableton's
Live.  The combo is very sweet.

Mark Sottilaro
  
--- sincultura13 <sincultura13@...> wrote:

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Hmm, well you're comparing vastly different
> things, but I can see 
> your 
> > point with them being the same price.  Here's my
> take on it:
> > 
> > - Stylus. The big attraction here is the sheer
> quantity of samples 
> you 
> > get, over 3GB if I remember correctly.  Most of
> them are very good 
> for 
> > sure, Eric Pershing is an ace sound designer.  The
> downside is that 
> you're 
> > more or less stuck with using the loops as is
> (minus the synth 
> section) 
> > unless you export them as audio files and then
> slice and dice 
> them.  Also, 
> > in order to use them, you need run the plug in
> from with in a 
> computer 
> > sequencer, so partability's out.
> > 
> > - Protean Drum ROM.  While you don't get anywhere
> near the amount 
> of 
> > samples as with Stylus (only 32MB), you do get
> nice and easy 
> intregration 
> > with the XX-7, and quality acoustic drum samples. 
> So it's easy to 
> just 
> > fire up the box and get working right away.  Not
> to mention you 
> won't be 
> > tied into the computer either, which may or may
> not be an issue for 
> you.
> > 
> > Personally, I think it all somes down to the way
> you're more 
> comfortable 
> > working.  If you typically work in the PC and
> prefer that way or 
> working, 
> > then Stylus may be the better choice.  However if
> you like working 
> on 
> > hardware more, than I would say the Drum ROM would
> be a better 
> choice.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I just came across this plug called stylus that
> comes with 3 gigs 
> of 
> > drum loops/sounds (mostly breakbeats/hiphop kinda
> sounds which 
> suites 
> > me just fine but also precussion loops and what
> not....) and a 
> groove 
> > control feature that lets you freely rearrange and
> strech loops 
> > without sound degradetion... The price is about
> the same as Emu's 
> > drum rom. I was almost sold on the idea of the
> drum rom but this 
> > Stylus plugs sounds tempting too....
> > 
> > 
> > Is anyone willing to give pros/cons for each of
> the options? 
> > 
> > 
> > thanks in advance.
> > 
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Ooops... Sorry I was so into you live set, banging rhytms with my 
fingers on the comp's keyboard, that hit enter by mistake! Bro' I 
like this set a lot better than the other one I heard, which was 
pretty cool to begin with. I like the way you leave space in the mix, 
I tend to cramp layers of sounds that sometime don't contribute 
anything to the song.... The only problem that I have is that it 
takes to long to download. I started listen to it like an hour ago 
and I've onle heard 34% of it...


Anywho, I know what you mean about them targeting different styles of 
working... I'm way more comfortable dealing with loops. Stylus sounds 
interesting 'cause I could also download the loops I rearrage to my 
Sp-505 to play live and even chop them up and treat them as samples, 
which is the method of working I usually use. I'm much better at 
chopping rhythms and making something out of them than progamming 
them with midi and just single hits.... Now If I could use the riffs 
on the xx-7 roms (BTW I read the manual in this respect and didn't 
find how to copy the patterns to use with other sounds...) or 
download some midi templates I could use with my XL-7 I might just go 
for the drum rom. I've found choosing sounds for the patterns on the 
XL7 rather tedious 'cause it's the sounds what usually inspires me to 
bang the rhythms out... I'd rather have all the hits in one track or  
just use the presets... You said that the presets on the rom drum are 
good to go, so if I could find some good groove templates it'd be for 
me just as good as getting Stylus...

What do you think?





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "sincultura13" <sincultura13@y...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Hmm, well you're comparing vastly different things, but I can see 
> your 
> > point with them being the same price.  Here's my take on it:
> > 
> > - Stylus. The big attraction here is the sheer quantity of 
samples 
> you 
> > get, over 3GB if I remember correctly.  Most of them are very 
good 
> for 
> > sure, Eric Pershing is an ace sound designer.  The downside is 
that 
> you're 
> > more or less stuck with using the loops as is (minus the synth 
> section) 
> > unless you export them as audio files and then slice and dice 
> them.  Also, 
> > in order to use them, you need run the plug in from with in a 
> computer 
> > sequencer, so partability's out.
> > 
> > - Protean Drum ROM.  While you don't get anywhere near the amount 
> of 
> > samples as with Stylus (only 32MB), you do get nice and easy 
> intregration 
> > with the XX-7, and quality acoustic drum samples.  So it's easy 
to 
> just 
> > fire up the box and get working right away.  Not to mention you 
> won't be 
> > tied into the computer either, which may or may not be an issue 
for 
> you.
> > 
> > Personally, I think it all somes down to the way you're more 
> comfortable 
> > working.  If you typically work in the PC and prefer that way or 
> working, 
> > then Stylus may be the better choice.  However if you like 
working 

> on 
> > hardware more, than I would say the Drum ROM would be a better 
> choice.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I just came across this plug called stylus that comes with 3 gigs 
> of 
> > drum loops/sounds (mostly breakbeats/hiphop kinda sounds which 
> suites 
> > me just fine but also precussion loops and what not....) and a 
> groove 
> > control feature that lets you freely rearrange and strech loops 
> > without sound degradetion... The price is about the same as Emu's 
> > drum rom. I was almost sold on the idea of the drum rom but this 
> > Stylus plugs sounds tempting too....
> > 
> > 
> > Is anyone willing to give pros/cons for each of the options? 
> > 
> > 
> > thanks in advance.
> > 
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Thanks for the input! I'm not always looking for real sounding drums 
either but for the rhythms I make with them to sound organic... It 
seems to me that of all the "gifts" that god gave me programming 
drums with midi is not one of them! :) I can play everything else but 
drums...

BTW, I use ableton too but on a desktop computer... I'm planning to 
use my ESI to take over those samples when I play live. What kind of 
drum loops do you use? I like Ableton for loops I already tweak 
elsewhere to my liking... These days I'm so busy with work that I 
can't spend too much time listening to cds to get my drums, which is 
a shame 'cause it's mad cool to spend a day just doing that...:( 
That's why I want to get something that could help make drum 
faster/easier... without drums I cant get everything else going... I 
haven't done much in a while.

thanks again...


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@y...> 
wrote:

> I agree with Realm.  You are comparing two vastly
> different devices, but that could be a good thing.  To
> be honest, I'd get the Stylus.  Why?  You already have
> a ROM based sequencer (The Command Station of some
> flavor)  Sure a lot of sounds are nice to have, but
> I'm finding that syncing the XL-7 to a laptop running
> loops in Ableton's live to be really useful.  No
> matter how good you program your sequencer, because
> it's a ROM based device you're not going to get
> that... SOUND.  You know.  Of a real drummer.  Guys
> like Realm don't care, as that's not really what
> they're going for.  My friend Rick Walker (a
> drummer/purcussionist) says this, "I love my drum
> machine, but I do my best to make it sound like an
> appliance."  I totally know what he's saying.  I like
> to emphisize that the XL-7 is a machine, but then
> juxtapose that with loops of live drums in Ableton's
> Live.  The combo is very sweet.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
>   
> --- sincultura13 <sincultura13@y...> wrote:
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > Hmm, well you're comparing vastly different
> > things, but I can see 
> > your 
> > > point with them being the same price.  Here's my
> > take on it:
> > > 
> > > - Stylus. The big attraction here is the sheer
> > quantity of samples 
> > you 
> > > get, over 3GB if I remember correctly.  Most of
> > them are very good 
> > for 
> > > sure, Eric Pershing is an ace sound designer.  The
> > downside is that 
> > you're 
> > > more or less stuck with using the loops as is
> > (minus the synth 
> > section) 
> > > unless you export them as audio files and then
> > slice and dice 
> > them.  Also, 
> > > in order to use them, you need run the plug in
> > from with in a 
> > computer 
> > > sequencer, so partability's out.
> > > 
> > > - Protean Drum ROM.  While you don't get anywhere
> > near the amount 
> > of 
> > > samples as with Stylus (only 32MB), you do get
> > nice and easy 
> > intregration 
> > > with the XX-7, and quality acoustic drum samples. 
> > So it's easy to 
> > just 
> > > fire up the box and get working right away.  Not
> > to mention you 
> > won't be 
> > > tied into the computer either, which may or may
> > not be an issue for 
> > you.
> > > 
> > > Personally, I think it all somes down to the way
> > you're more 
> > comfortable 
> > > working.  If you typically work in the PC and
> > prefer that way or 
> > working, 
> > > then Stylus may be the better choice.  However if
> > you like working 
> > on 
> > > hardware more, than I would say the Drum ROM would
> > be a better 
> > choice.
> > > 
> > > rEalm
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I just came across this plug called stylus that
> > comes with 3 gigs 
> > of 
> > > drum loops/sounds (mostly breakbeats/hiphop kinda
> > sounds which 
> > suites 
> > > me just fine but also precussion loops and what
> > not....) and a 
> > groove 
> > > control feature that lets you freely rearrange and
> > strech loops 
> > > without sound degradetion... The price is about
> > the same as Emu's 
> > > drum rom. I was almost sold on the idea of the
> > drum rom but this 
> > > Stylus plugs sounds tempting too....
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Is anyone willing to give pros/cons for each of
> > the options? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > thanks in advance.
> > > 
> > > 
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Ooops... Sorry I was so into you live set, banging rhytms with my fingers 
on the comp's keyboard, that hit enter by mistake! Bro' I like this set a 
lot better than the other one I heard, which was pretty cool to begin 
with. I like the way you leave space in the mix, I tend to cramp layers of 
sounds that sometime don't contribute anything to the song.... 

>>>It can be hard to leave space in a mix for things to breath, I'm 
notorious for having really complex songs like that when I make them on 
the PC.  With the XL-7, it's a little easier to use restraint though, if 
for no other reason than I can't rely on dynamics processing to make it 
all sit better in the song!  Anyway, glad you liked it. <<<

The only problem that I have is that it takes to long to download. I 
started listen to it like an hour ago 
and I've onle heard 34% of it...

>>>Sorry about that, outta my hands. ,<<

Now If I could use the riffs on the xx-7 roms (BTW I read the manual in 
this respect and didn't 
find how to copy the patterns to use with other sounds...) 

>>>You can connect a MIDI cable from the XL-7's MIDI out to it's MIDI in 
and record them to a track that way.  Might need to shidt the MIDI data 
forward slightly to compensate for the transmition timing, but it's 
certianly doable. <<<

I've found choosing sounds for the patterns on the XL7 rather tedious 
'cause it's the sounds what usually inspires me to bang the rhythms out... 


>>>Yep that's I love the Randomize Preset feature on the XX-7's <<<

I'd rather have all the hits in one track or just use the presets... You 
said that the presets on the rom drum are good to go, so if I could find 
some good groove templates it'd be for me just as good as getting 
Stylus...What do you think?

>>>There's a ton of MIDI drum templates out there, in all kinds of styles. 
 Do a search on "MIDI drum files" and you'll probably find more than you 
can shake a stick at (what the hell does that mean anyway?). <<<

rEalm













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Sure a lot of sounds are nice to have, but I'm finding that syncing the 
XL-7 to a laptop running loops in Ableton's live to be really useful. 

>>>This is combo is really powerful, don't forget you can use the XL-7 as 
a controller for Live too.  I was playing around with this when I was 
deciding to go with either a laptop or sampler for live use.  If you take 
the time to set it up, you can play an entire Live set without once 
looking at the laptop screen.  Very powerful combo. ,<<

No matter how good you program your sequencer, because it's a ROM based 
device you're not going to get that... SOUND.  You know.  Of a real 
drummer. 

>>>Gotta disagree.  True that I could care less about my own songs 
sounding like a real drummer, but with some careful sequencing, it can 
definitely be done.  As long as you know how a drummer plays, it's not 
impossible to mimic this via sequencer.  Quite a few magazine articles on 
how to do this, I believe Computer Music has some tutorials on their site 
for just this in fact. <<<

rEalm










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It seems to me that of all the "gifts" that god gave me programming drums 
with midi is not one of them! :) I can play everything else but drums...

>>>It's just a matter of practice, when I first started to make e-music, 
all my friends said my drum programming was the weakest aspect of my 
songs.  It was good incentive to sit down and really practice that over 
and over and over. <<<

rEalm


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>>>Gotta disagree.  True that I could care less about my own songs 
sounding like a real drummer, but with some careful sequencing, it can 
definitely be done.  As long as you know how a drummer plays, it's not 
impossible to mimic this via sequencer.  Quite a few magazine articles
on 
how to do this, I believe Computer Music has some tutorials on their
site 
for just this in fact. <<<
 
The problem isn't just in the programming - it's also in the dynamics of
the tone, as well as the signal processing - the reverb, group dynamics,
and mic tone.
 
FWIW - Stylus does have individual drum hits - it's not just loops. It
also has all it's loops 'recycled' and as well as rendered out at
different speeds.
 
Personally, I found stylus OK, but it's not my favourite set of samples.
They are nice, funky, and anonymous, with lots of space, which are all
useful things, but I didn't find them as compelling as other stuff in my
collection. Also, the interface is a really poor one for dealing with
drums.
 
bIz










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The problem isn't just in the programming - it's also in the dynamics of 
the tone, as well as the signal processing - the reverb, group dynamics, 
and mic tone.

>>>Agreed.  In those cases though, I think the Drum ROM would have 
everything he needs.  The drums sounds were recorde very nicely, with room 
sound in some cases. <<<

Personally, I found stylus OK, but it's not my favourite set of samples. 
Also, the interface is a really poor one for dealing with drums.

>>>That was my issue with it too really.  The loops are nice and you can 
tweak them slightly, but try to do anything more than that and the 
interface starts to get in the way.  I was the same way about Atmosphere 
too, ok sounds as long as you don't mind useing them as is.  Otherwise 
you're exporting the loops as regular audio files and messing with them 
that way.  Thought the BT Twisted Textures was (surprisingly) much better 
too. <<<

rEalm







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Thanks for the feedback... I think I'm going to end up just sampling 
loops and chopping them on my sampler anyway. That's what I'm, used 
to... Could you tell me a bit more about those libraries that sound 
better than stylus and what style of music do you make with them?


Realm, thanks for the Midi in/out trick! I've looked around the net a 
while ago and most everything I found on midi groove really sucked... 
but I'm going to give it another try....

thanks again...




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> >>>Gotta disagree.  True that I could care less about my own songs 
> sounding like a real drummer, but with some careful sequencing, it 
can 
> definitely be done.  As long as you know how a drummer plays, it's 
not 
> impossible to mimic this via sequencer.  Quite a few magazine 
articles
> on 
> how to do this, I believe Computer Music has some tutorials on their
> site 
> for just this in fact. <<<
>  
> The problem isn't just in the programming - it's also in the 
dynamics of
> the tone, as well as the signal processing - the reverb, group 
dynamics,
> and mic tone.
>  
> FWIW - Stylus does have individual drum hits - it's not just loops. 
It
> also has all it's loops 'recycled' and as well as rendered out at
> different speeds.
>  
> Personally, I found stylus OK, but it's not my favourite set of 
samples.
> They are nice, funky, and anonymous, with lots of space, which are 
all
> useful things, but I didn't find them as compelling as other stuff 
in my
> collection. Also, the interface is a really poor one for dealing 
with
> drums.
>  
> bIz
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The problem isn't just in the programming - it's also in the dynamics of

the tone, as well as the signal processing - the reverb, group dynamics,

and mic tone.

>>>Agreed.  In those cases though, I think the Drum ROM would have 
everything he needs.  The drums sounds were recorde very nicely, with
room 
sound in some cases. <<< 
 
No - it's the way the drums interact with each other that's important.

Personally, I found stylus OK, but it's not my favourite set of samples.

Also, the interface is a really poor one for dealing with drums.

>>>That was my issue with it too really.  The loops are nice and you can

tweak them slightly, but try to do anything more than that and the 
interface starts to get in the way. 
 
That's pretty much what happens - I solo the Stylus with unity volume,
and render the loops to a new track.
 
> I was the same way about Atmosphere 
>too, ok sounds as long as you don't mind useing them as is.  
 
Atmosphere kicks ass. Much better than Stylus. It still suffers from
Rompleritis, though nowhere near as bad as the Plex. Consequently, it's
got really low cpu usage, though.
 
I keep coming back to Trilogy for two particular sub bass tones, but
overall it's not particularly exciting.
 
>Otherwise you're exporting the loops as regular audio files >and
messing with them 
>that way.  Thought the BT Twisted Textures was >(surprisingly) much
better 
too. <<<
 
Yes, that's a good cd. It's all over the place and super busy, but I
keep coming back to it. I can't stand BT's music, but his sound
design/production values kick ass.


bIz
 



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Atmosphere kicks ass. Much better than Stylus. It still suffers from 
Rompleritis, though nowhere near as bad as the Plex. Consequently, it's 
got really low cpu usage, though.

>>>Comparing Plex to Atmosphere?  I don't see the connection, two totally 
different things. ????  One's a sample playback device geared towards 
smooth textures (mainly), the other's a VSTi with a new form of synthesis. 
 Just not seeing it, not questioning your call. <<<
 
I keep coming back to Trilogy for two particular sub bass tones, but 
overall it's not particularly exciting.

>>>Yeah, another one I thought was so so. <<<
 
Yes, that's a good cd. It's all over the place and super busy, but I keep 
coming back to it. I can't stand BT's music, but his 
sounddesign/production values kick ass.

>>>I like his old stuff, but the new stuff blows (The new CD is beyond 
blow, goes right to extreme suck).  I was really surprised at the quality 
of the loops in Twisted though, some crazily inventive sound design for 
sure.  Bit of a mish mash of samples, but when you find a good one, it's 
really good. <<<

rEalm







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- sincultura13 <sincultura13@...> wrote:
 You said that the presets on
> the rom drum are 
> good to go, so if I could find some good groove
> templates it'd be for 
> me just as good as getting Stylus...
> 
> What do you think?

I guess I have to ask what part of the music will be
yours if you're using sample loops and groove
templates?  Isn't that part of the fun, making it up? 
I like working with loops to a point... but the
ability to hear a beat in my head and then be able to
MAKE IT instead of searching for something "like it"
is really powerful.  Then again, if  your main
instrument is not the computer it can be good to focus
on that.  Is sound collage what you're going for?

Mark

Hi all,
I powered my xl7 on, 2 days ago, I was selecting some pattern, and 
suddenly the cursor disappeared in the lcd display !?.......turned it 
off, then on, but the machine remained stuck (all leds lit and LCD 
empty )....No need to say I tried everything (opened it up, pushed 
all the inner components, swapped ROMs, took away some ROMs, 
tightened the screws, pushed on both cursors at power on, tried to 
reach diagnotic mode, etc, etc..........) nothing, absolutely nothing 
worked !!! To add to my despair, my warranty time has expired (so 
it's all on my bucks !)  and last but not least : EMU is no longer 
distributed in France !!!! Lol, I'm rite down disgusted, sooooooo 
disapointed, as I always treated this synth with so much care, 
protecting it from everything (dust, electricity peaks....) spent so 
much time on it...but now I know it wasn't worth it, I can state for 
sure that those babies are not designed to last very long !! seems 
built like a tank, but inside it's total crap, always thought 
american-made stuff was qualitative and reliable ...I was wrong !!My 
old Roland TR-626 I bought when I was 15, still works perfectly and 
so does all my other 80's japanese gear!! My 1 year and 4 months old 
xl7 is Dead ! Dead ! Dead !!
End of story : in the repair shop the guy told me he was used to deal 
with the xl7 and its deficient power supply, but the problem on mine 
was kinda different.....read in his eyes that he couldn't be able to 
fix it....so what am I to do now ? any idea ? EMU ? anyone ? 

xROM.........one foot out

Thanks for the interest... I play almost all my parts but drums. I 
usually start by jamming at the piano, sometimes bass, tweak sounds 
or guitar... other times I find some sample (melodic or rhythmic) 
that starts me up... I have all this parts I've sampled from my 
playing or ideas in my head to layer after the foundation is already 
layered. Oddly enough without drums is hard for me to get an 
arrangement going... Drums for me is something I feel not something I 
really hear when I play with a real drummer/percussionist. So its 
been rather wierd for me the process of learning of how to program 
drums. Even more so when you consider that I come from playing 
reggae, afrocarribean and jazz rhythms which aren't something a drum 
machine (or midi progeamming with sampled hits) can really emulate... 
I don't mind the sounds not being realistic, is the vibe what I miss. 
Though I acknowledge there's people like amon tobin who trully gets 
that organic vibe going, but the guy has been blessed with a really 
uncommon gift!  Not something everybody can do.... I've been sampling 
jazz and reggae breaks chopping them up, then playing (real time) the 
chopped parts up and then resampling and chopping that... which is 
pretty cool though it takes way much more time than I have available 
to make music at the moment. 

I just read this kid koala interview and I think that my way of 
making music is kinda close to the way he works... Layering one thing 
at a time live. Though I'm not a old school head, dj, vynil freak and 
I play most my parts. :)  I've been thinking if getting a dj cd 
player (or two) and just laying down the drum tracks like that to 
make the drum parts more organic... You know once I get few self-
rearranged drum loops I can jam the drum track and go from there.... 
then again I've never tried djing so I'm not really sure if that is 
going help me out or not... Also I've read that cheap dj cd player's 
scratching effect sound like shite, I might not need scratching... 
I've been also thinking of buying a drumset but then I'd have to 
build soundproofed room... In any case I think that having a source 
of loops I don't have to filter intruments out would be a huge time 
saver for me.... These all is one of the things I like the most about 
music today, you can find your own way of going about making it!

Any advice on what drumloop cd to get, other alternatives, or ways of 
working are greatly appreciated....












--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@y...> 
wrote:

> --- sincultura13 <sincultura13@y...> wrote:
>  You said that the presets on
> > the rom drum are 
> > good to go, so if I could find some good groove
> > templates it'd be for 
> > me just as good as getting Stylus...
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> I guess I have to ask what part of the music will be
> yours if you're using sample loops and groove
> templates?  Isn't that part of the fun, making it up? 
> I like working with loops to a point... but the
> ability to hear a beat in my head and then be able to
> MAKE IT instead of searching for something "like it"
> is really powerful.  Then again, if  your main
> instrument is not the computer it can be good to focus
> on that.  Is sound collage what you're going for?
> 
> Mark

that is terrible man,
You should write EMU (although I'm sure you already have) and see what they 
can do.  Although my own expierence with them has been less than helpful 
several times.  Again, that is terrible, I hope you have better luck in the 
future.


>From: "xromxx7" <bonneau-c@...>
>Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [xl7] xl7 dead !!!
>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:36:53 -0000
>
>Hi all,
>I powered my xl7 on, 2 days ago, I was selecting some pattern, and
>suddenly the cursor disappeared in the lcd display !?.......turned it
>off, then on, but the machine remained stuck (all leds lit and LCD
>empty )....No need to say I tried everything (opened it up, pushed
>all the inner components, swapped ROMs, took away some ROMs,
>tightened the screws, pushed on both cursors at power on, tried to
>reach diagnotic mode, etc, etc..........) nothing, absolutely nothing
>worked !!! To add to my despair, my warranty time has expired (so
>it's all on my bucks !)  and last but not least : EMU is no longer
>distributed in France !!!! Lol, I'm rite down disgusted, sooooooo
>disapointed, as I always treated this synth with so much care,
>protecting it from everything (dust, electricity peaks....) spent so
>much time on it...but now I know it wasn't worth it, I can state for
>sure that those babies are not designed to last very long !! seems
>built like a tank, but inside it's total crap, always thought
>american-made stuff was qualitative and reliable ...I was wrong !!My
>old Roland TR-626 I bought when I was 15, still works perfectly and
>so does all my other 80's japanese gear!! My 1 year and 4 months old
>xl7 is Dead ! Dead ! Dead !!
>End of story : in the repair shop the guy told me he was used to deal
>with the xl7 and its deficient power supply, but the problem on mine
>was kinda different.....read in his eyes that he couldn't be able to
>fix it....so what am I to do now ? any idea ? EMU ? anyone ?
>
>xROM.........one foot out
>
>

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I dont know depending on what type of music you make drums could be a wide 
subject of discussion. I personally make hip hop, trip hop and just your 
general trip rock type music. So drums have always been very important to 
me. If your looking for some carribean style gloria estefan type rythms I 
can see how those can be hard to program but to tell you the truth I find 
drum sequencing to be quite simple and once you become adept to it you will 
see how there are general templates and formulas if you wil that almost all 
music goes by. Im sure you are familiar with the typical 4 on the floor type 
beat. I personally cant make that kind of drum beat work in any of my songs. 
Its like driving into a brick wall. but when I make the drums a part of the 
music and acting like their own dynamic instruments with tone pitch and 
timbre I am very succesful at "making it work". the only thing I can tell 
you is being able to sequence drums is pure magic. But finding what works 
for you is the most important thing you could do..

>From: "sincultura13" <sincultura13@...>
>Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [xl7] Re: Emu's drum rom vs Stylus?
>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:28:00 -0000
>
>Thanks for the interest... I play almost all my parts but drums. I
>usually start by jamming at the piano, sometimes bass, tweak sounds
>or guitar... other times I find some sample (melodic or rhythmic)
>that starts me up... I have all this parts I've sampled from my
>playing or ideas in my head to layer after the foundation is already
>layered. Oddly enough without drums is hard for me to get an
>arrangement going... Drums for me is something I feel not something I
>really hear when I play with a real drummer/percussionist. So its
>been rather wierd for me the process of learning of how to program
>drums. Even more so when you consider that I come from playing
>reggae, afrocarribean and jazz rhythms which aren't something a drum
>machine (or midi progeamming with sampled hits) can really emulate...
>I don't mind the sounds not being realistic, is the vibe what I miss.
>Though I acknowledge there's people like amon tobin who trully gets
>that organic vibe going, but the guy has been blessed with a really
>uncommon gift!  Not something everybody can do.... I've been sampling
>jazz and reggae breaks chopping them up, then playing (real time) the
>chopped parts up and then resampling and chopping that... which is
>pretty cool though it takes way much more time than I have available
>to make music at the moment.
>
>I just read this kid koala interview and I think that my way of
>making music is kinda close to the way he works... Layering one thing
>at a time live. Though I'm not a old school head, dj, vynil freak and
>I play most my parts. :)  I've been thinking if getting a dj cd
>player (or two) and just laying down the drum tracks like that to
>make the drum parts more organic... You know once I get few self-
>rearranged drum loops I can jam the drum track and go from there....
>then again I've never tried djing so I'm not really sure if that is
>going help me out or not... Also I've read that cheap dj cd player's
>scratching effect sound like shite, I might not need scratching...
>I've been also thinking of buying a drumset but then I'd have to
>build soundproofed room... In any case I think that having a source
>of loops I don't have to filter intruments out would be a huge time
>saver for me.... These all is one of the things I like the most about
>music today, you can find your own way of going about making it!
>
>Any advice on what drumloop cd to get, other alternatives, or ways of
>working are greatly appreciated....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@y...>
>wrote:
> > --- sincultura13 <sincultura13@y...> wrote:
> >  You said that the presets on
> > > the rom drum are
> > > good to go, so if I could find some good groove
> > > templates it'd be for
> > > me just as good as getting Stylus...
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > I guess I have to ask what part of the music will be
> > yours if you're using sample loops and groove
> > templates?  Isn't that part of the fun, making it up?
> > I like working with loops to a point... but the
> > ability to hear a beat in my head and then be able to
> > MAKE IT instead of searching for something "like it"
> > is really powerful.  Then again, if  your main
> > instrument is not the computer it can be good to focus
> > on that.  Is sound collage what you're going for?
> >
> > Mark
>

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My XL7 was defective out of the box. The LCD was flickering.
It sounded good but had to return it and upgraded for 2500.
The 2500 is buggy but sounds like a Proteus. (you know what I mean)

We all feel your pain. See my other post RE: 'Don't Do This'


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Jaco Pastorius" <Theo1911@h...> wrote:
> that is terrible man,
> You should write EMU (although I'm sure you already have) and see 
what they 
> can do.  Although my own expierence with them has been less than 
helpful 
> several times.  Again, that is terrible, I hope you have better 
luck in the 
> future.
> 
> 
> >From: "xromxx7" <bonneau-c@w...>
> >Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [xl7] xl7 dead !!!
> >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:36:53 -0000
> >
> >Hi all,
> >I powered my xl7 on, 2 days ago, I was selecting some pattern, and
> >suddenly the cursor disappeared in the lcd 
display !?.......turned it
> >off, then on, but the machine remained stuck (all leds lit and LCD
> >empty )....No need to say I tried everything (opened it up, pushed
> >all the inner components, swapped ROMs, took away some ROMs,
> >tightened the screws, pushed on both cursors at power on, tried to
> >reach diagnotic mode, etc, etc..........) nothing, absolutely 
nothing
> >worked !!! To add to my despair, my warranty time has expired (so
> >it's all on my bucks !)  and last but not least : EMU is no longer
> >distributed in France !!!! Lol, I'm rite down disgusted, sooooooo
> >disapointed, as I always treated this synth with so much care,
> >protecting it from everything (dust, electricity peaks....) spent 
so
> >much time on it...but now I know it wasn't worth it, I can state 
for
> >sure that those babies are not designed to last very long !! seems
> >built like a tank, but inside it's total crap, always thought
> >american-made stuff was qualitative and reliable ...I was wrong !!
My
> >old Roland TR-626 I bought when I was 15, still works perfectly 
and
> >so does all my other 80's japanese gear!! My 1 year and 4 months 
old
> >xl7 is Dead ! Dead ! Dead !!
> >End of story : in the repair shop the guy told me he was used to 
deal
> >with the xl7 and its deficient power supply, but the problem on 
mine
> >was kinda different.....read in his eyes that he couldn't be able 
to
> >fix it....so what am I to do now ? any idea ? EMU ? anyone ?
> >
> >xROM.........one foot out
> >
> >
> 
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Hi ,
Thanks for your understanding guys ! May this never happen to all of 
you !!.........On my side I was hoping for some miracle, like some 
EMU rep telling me "we know this ...you just have to press these keys 
combination at power on", or even, "just order those replacement 
parts "(so I'm not forced to send the whole machine to Scotland or 
wherever)....
But I should : 1-stop crying now,
               2-forget about EMU,
               3-concentrate on my 909 (btw fantastic machine !)

all the best  

XROM    


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Brett" <billbrett@y...> wrote:

> My XL7 was defective out of the box. The LCD was flickering.
> It sounded good but had to return it and upgraded for 2500.
> The 2500 is buggy but sounds like a Proteus. (you know what I mean)
> 
> We all feel your pain. See my other post RE: 'Don't Do This'
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Jaco Pastorius" <Theo1911@h...> wrote:
> > that is terrible man,
> > You should write EMU (although I'm sure you already have) and see 
> what they 
> > can do.  Although my own expierence with them has been less than 
> helpful 
> > several times.  Again, that is terrible, I hope you have better 
> luck in the 
> > future.
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "xromxx7" <bonneau-c@w...>
> > >Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [xl7] xl7 dead !!!
> > >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:36:53 -0000
> > >
> > >Hi all,
> > >I powered my xl7 on, 2 days ago, I was selecting some pattern,  
> > >and suddenly the cursor disappeared in the lcd display!?....... 
> > >turned it off, then on, but the machine remained stuck (all leds 
> > >lit and LCD empty )....No need to say I tried everything (opened 
> > >it up, pushed all the inner components, swapped ROMs, took away 
> > >some ROMs, tightened the screws, pushed on both cursors at power 
> > >on, tried to reach diagnotic mode, etc, etc..........) nothing, 
> > >absolutely nothing worked !!! To add to my despair, my warranty 
> > >time has expired (so it's all on my bucks !)  and last but not  
> > >least : EMU is no longer distributed in France !!!! 
> > >Lol, I'm rite down disgusted, soooooo disapointed, as I always  
> > >treated this synth with so much care, protecting it from        
> > >everything (dust, electricity peaks....) spent so
> > >much time on it...but now I know it wasn't worth it, I can state 
> > >for sure that those babies are not designed to last very long !! 
> > >seems built like a tank, but inside it's total crap, always     
> > >thought american-made stuff was qualitative and reliable ...I   
> > >was wrong !!
> > >My old Roland TR-626 I bought when I was 15, still works        
> > >perfectly and so does all my other 80's japanese gear!! My 1    
> > >year and 4 months old xl7 is Dead ! Dead ! Dead !!
> > >End of story : in the repair shop the guy told me he was used to 
> > >deal with the xl7 and its deficient power supply, but the       
> > >problem on mine
> > >was kinda different.....read in his eyes that he couldn't be    
> > >able to fix it....so what am I to do now ? any idea ? EMU ?     
> > >anyone ?
> > >
> > >xROM.........one foot out
> > >
> > >

"If your looking for some carribean style gloria estefan type rythms 
I can see how those can be hard to program..." 


Gloria Estefan is about as far from my music as country or polka 
music! hehe... Hiphop grooves are not that hard for me to program, is 
the syncopation in Jazz, non-Estefan (her music is american/cuban pop 
if you ask me) afrocarribean and reggae roots (which is also 
afrocarribean) what I have problems with.  I also like 
some "electronic" music like Realm's, boards of canada's, bjork's 
music... I can relate to it as listener just fine, but as a musician 
I just don't know what to do... My whole playing world is based on 
syncopation and/or feeling claves.... I guess I'm in some ways like 
most "electronic" musicians, that they have an internal knowledge of 
music which they articulate through a process they have discovered as 
they go along the way... is just that I started on a different point 
of departure.

thanks for the input...


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "david rodriguez" <davidrey467@h...> 
wrote:
> I dont know depending on what type of music you make drums could be 
a wide 
> subject of discussion. I personally make hip hop, trip hop and just 
your 
> general trip rock type music. So drums have always been very 
important to 
> me. If your looking for some carribean style gloria estefan type 
rythms I 
> can see how those can be hard to program but to tell you the truth 
I find 
> drum sequencing to be quite simple and once you become adept to it 
you will 
> see how there are general templates and formulas if you wil that 
almost all 
> music goes by. Im sure you are familiar with the typical 4 on the 
floor type 
> beat. I personally cant make that kind of drum beat work in any of 
my songs. 
> Its like driving into a brick wall. but when I make the drums a 
part of the 
> music and acting like their own dynamic instruments with tone pitch 
and 
> timbre I am very succesful at "making it work". the only thing I 
can tell 
> you is being able to sequence drums is pure magic. But finding what 
works 
> for you is the most important thing you could do..
> 
> >From: "sincultura13" <sincultura13@y...>
> >Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [xl7] Re: Emu's drum rom vs Stylus?
> >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:28:00 -0000
> >
> >Thanks for the interest... I play almost all my parts but drums. I
> >usually start by jamming at the piano, sometimes bass, tweak sounds
> >or guitar... other times I find some sample (melodic or rhythmic)
> >that starts me up... I have all this parts I've sampled from my
> >playing or ideas in my head to layer after the foundation is 
already
> >layered. Oddly enough without drums is hard for me to get an
> >arrangement going... Drums for me is something I feel not 
something I
> >really hear when I play with a real drummer/percussionist. So its
> >been rather wierd for me the process of learning of how to program
> >drums. Even more so when you consider that I come from playing
> >reggae, afrocarribean and jazz rhythms which aren't something a 
drum
> >machine (or midi progeamming with sampled hits) can really 
emulate...
> >I don't mind the sounds not being realistic, is the vibe what I 
miss.
> >Though I acknowledge there's people like amon tobin who trully gets
> >that organic vibe going, but the guy has been blessed with a really
> >uncommon gift!  Not something everybody can do.... I've been 
sampling
> >jazz and reggae breaks chopping them up, then playing (real time) 
the
> >chopped parts up and then resampling and chopping that... which is
> >pretty cool though it takes way much more time than I have 
available
> >to make music at the moment.
> >
> >I just read this kid koala interview and I think that my way of
> >making music is kinda close to the way he works... Layering one 
thing
> >at a time live. Though I'm not a old school head, dj, vynil freak 
and
> >I play most my parts. :)  I've been thinking if getting a dj cd
> >player (or two) and just laying down the drum tracks like that to
> >make the drum parts more organic... You know once I get few self-
> >rearranged drum loops I can jam the drum track and go from 
there....
> >then again I've never tried djing so I'm not really sure if that is
> >going help me out or not... Also I've read that cheap dj cd 
player's
> >scratching effect sound like shite, I might not need scratching...
> >I've been also thinking of buying a drumset but then I'd have to
> >build soundproofed room... In any case I think that having a source
> >of loops I don't have to filter intruments out would be a huge time
> >saver for me.... These all is one of the things I like the most 
about
> >music today, you can find your own way of going about making it!
> >
> >Any advice on what drumloop cd to get, other alternatives, or ways 
of
> >working are greatly appreciated....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@y...>
> >wrote:
> > > --- sincultura13 <sincultura13@y...> wrote:
> > >  You said that the presets on
> > > > the rom drum are
> > > > good to go, so if I could find some good groove
> > > > templates it'd be for
> > > > me just as good as getting Stylus...
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > I guess I have to ask what part of the music will be
> > > yours if you're using sample loops and groove
> > > templates?  Isn't that part of the fun, making it up?
> > > I like working with loops to a point... but the
> > > ability to hear a beat in my head and then be able to
> > > MAKE IT instead of searching for something "like it"
> > > is really powerful.  Then again, if  your main
> > > instrument is not the computer it can be good to focus
> > > on that.  Is sound collage what you're going for?
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
> 
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