"If your looking for some carribean style gloria estefan type rythms I can see how those can be hard to program..." Gloria Estefan is about as far from my music as country or polka music! hehe... Hiphop grooves are not that hard for me to program, is the syncopation in Jazz, non-Estefan (her music is american/cuban pop if you ask me) afrocarribean and reggae roots (which is also afrocarribean) what I have problems with. I also like some "electronic" music like Realm's, boards of canada's, bjork's music... I can relate to it as listener just fine, but as a musician I just don't know what to do... My whole playing world is based on syncopation and/or feeling claves.... I guess I'm in some ways like most "electronic" musicians, that they have an internal knowledge of music which they articulate through a process they have discovered as they go along the way... is just that I started on a different point of departure. thanks for the input... --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "david rodriguez" <davidrey467@h...> wrote: > I dont know depending on what type of music you make drums could be a wide > subject of discussion. I personally make hip hop, trip hop and just your > general trip rock type music. So drums have always been very important to > me. If your looking for some carribean style gloria estefan type rythms I > can see how those can be hard to program but to tell you the truth I find > drum sequencing to be quite simple and once you become adept to it you will > see how there are general templates and formulas if you wil that almost all > music goes by. Im sure you are familiar with the typical 4 on the floor type > beat. I personally cant make that kind of drum beat work in any of my songs. > Its like driving into a brick wall. but when I make the drums a part of the > music and acting like their own dynamic instruments with tone pitch and > timbre I am very succesful at "making it work". the only thing I can tell > you is being able to sequence drums is pure magic. But finding what works > for you is the most important thing you could do.. > > >From: "sincultura13" <sincultura13@y...> > >Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [xl7] Re: Emu's drum rom vs Stylus? > >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:28:00 -0000 > > > >Thanks for the interest... I play almost all my parts but drums. I > >usually start by jamming at the piano, sometimes bass, tweak sounds > >or guitar... other times I find some sample (melodic or rhythmic) > >that starts me up... I have all this parts I've sampled from my > >playing or ideas in my head to layer after the foundation is already > >layered. Oddly enough without drums is hard for me to get an > >arrangement going... Drums for me is something I feel not something I > >really hear when I play with a real drummer/percussionist. So its > >been rather wierd for me the process of learning of how to program > >drums. Even more so when you consider that I come from playing > >reggae, afrocarribean and jazz rhythms which aren't something a drum > >machine (or midi progeamming with sampled hits) can really emulate... > >I don't mind the sounds not being realistic, is the vibe what I miss. > >Though I acknowledge there's people like amon tobin who trully gets > >that organic vibe going, but the guy has been blessed with a really > >uncommon gift! Not something everybody can do.... I've been sampling > >jazz and reggae breaks chopping them up, then playing (real time) the > >chopped parts up and then resampling and chopping that... which is > >pretty cool though it takes way much more time than I have available > >to make music at the moment. > > > >I just read this kid koala interview and I think that my way of > >making music is kinda close to the way he works... Layering one thing > >at a time live. Though I'm not a old school head, dj, vynil freak and > >I play most my parts. :) I've been thinking if getting a dj cd > >player (or two) and just laying down the drum tracks like that to > >make the drum parts more organic... You know once I get few self- > >rearranged drum loops I can jam the drum track and go from there.... > >then again I've never tried djing so I'm not really sure if that is > >going help me out or not... Also I've read that cheap dj cd player's > >scratching effect sound like shite, I might not need scratching... > >I've been also thinking of buying a drumset but then I'd have to > >build soundproofed room... In any case I think that having a source > >of loops I don't have to filter intruments out would be a huge time > >saver for me.... These all is one of the things I like the most about > >music today, you can find your own way of going about making it! > > > >Any advice on what drumloop cd to get, other alternatives, or ways of > >working are greatly appreciated.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@y...> > >wrote: > > > --- sincultura13 <sincultura13@y...> wrote: > > > You said that the presets on > > > > the rom drum are > > > > good to go, so if I could find some good groove > > > > templates it'd be for > > > > me just as good as getting Stylus... > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > I guess I have to ask what part of the music will be > > > yours if you're using sample loops and groove > > > templates? Isn't that part of the fun, making it up? > > > I like working with loops to a point... but the > > > ability to hear a beat in my head and then be able to > > > MAKE IT instead of searching for something "like it" > > > is really powerful. Then again, if your main > > > instrument is not the computer it can be good to focus > > > on that. Is sound collage what you're going for? > > > > > > Mark > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! > http://msnmessenger-download.com
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Re: Emu's drum rom vs Stylus?
2003-10-08 by sincultura13