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Re: Boogie Filter-question for grant too:-)

Re: Boogie Filter-question for grant too:-)

2004-12-17 by supisuzoi

i've also been hoping to make 1200-series faceplates for some blacet modules (mini wave, 
for instance..?).  i've never bought blacet, since i really don't like knobs to be so close 
together.  but now that we're in the era of front panel express, these things can be 
remedied...  btw, i did see that there is a frac-rack template file available on the blacet 
website.  all we need now is a wiard template, with the general spacing information on it!

kevinski


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Ryan <hal3001@y...> wrote:

> on a question for grant(haven't been able  to reach via email), is there anyway to get a 
wiard blue style face plates for perhaps any of the blacet modules?:-)

Boogie Filter

2004-12-17 by Robair, Gino

Hey Grant and gang, 
Any further indications about when the Boogie filter will become available? 
ginorobair

Re: [wiardgroup] Boogie Filter-question for grant too:-)

2004-12-17 by Ryan Ryan

also anyone know if there'll be a wiard blue for this? there surely must be a way...:-D
 
on a question for grant(haven't been able  to reach via email), is there anyway to get a wiard blue style face plates for perhaps any of the blacet modules?:-)
 
-ryan

"Robair, Gino" <GRobair@primediabusiness.com> wrote:
Hey Grant and gang, 
Any further indications about when the Boogie filter will become available? 
ginorobair



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Re: Boogie Filter-question for grant too:-)

2004-12-17 by Michael A. Firman

I suspect that the Frac-rack template on the Blacet site
would do you well. Just ignore the holes for the pots and
jacks. i.e. the template is the proper size (for a 2U module)
and has the proper mounting hole locations. 

I don't think that Grant has a "standard" placement of the
pots and jacks for the 1200 series (he does for the 300
series though).


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Henry Till <htill@y...> wrote:
> supisuzoi wrote:
> > btw, i did see that there is a frac-rack template file available on the blacet 
> > website.  all we need now is a wiard template, with the general spacing information on 
it!
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> 
> yeah actually - i second this motion - a template for wiard spacing 
> would really help out in making my homebrew modules visually consistent 
> with the wiard 1200s.
> 
> -h

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Boogie Filter-question for grant too:-)

2004-12-17 by Henry Till

supisuzoi wrote:
> btw, i did see that there is a frac-rack template file available on the blacet 
> website.  all we need now is a wiard template, with the general spacing information on it!

yeah actually - i second this motion - a template for wiard spacing 
would really help out in making my homebrew modules visually consistent 
with the wiard 1200s.

-h

1200 panel specs was: Boogie Filter-question for grant too:-)

2004-12-17 by supisuzoi

the jacks of the 1200's appear to be in alignment (at least the lower ones, in the case of 
the JAG), i guess that would be a significant detail i'd want to know.  also, what is the 
panel thickness, 3mm?  and the font used for the legending?

kevin


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Michael A. Firman" <maf@m...> wrote:
> 
> I suspect that the Frac-rack template on the Blacet site
> would do you well. Just ignore the holes for the pots and
> jacks. i.e. the template is the proper size (for a 2U module)
> and has the proper mounting hole locations. 
> 
> I don't think that Grant has a "standard" placement of the
> pots and jacks for the 1200 series (he does for the 300
> series though).
> 
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Henry Till <htill@y...> wrote:
> > supisuzoi wrote:
> > > btw, i did see that there is a frac-rack template file available on the blacet 
> > > website.  all we need now is a wiard template, with the general spacing information 
on 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> it!
> > 
> > yeah actually - i second this motion - a template for wiard spacing 
> > would really help out in making my homebrew modules visually consistent 
> > with the wiard 1200s.
> > 
> > -h

Re: 1200 panel specs was: Boogie Filter-question for grant too:-)

2004-12-17 by grantrichter2001

The panels are 2.5mm thick. First row of jacks are 1 inch from 
bottom and 1/2" in from each side, evenly spaced across panel. 
Next row is 5/8" above the first (some minor variations) so solder 
lugs overlap. Jacks are Mouser 16P135. Vertical pot position is 
as needed for function (not standardized). Pots are generally on 
1 inch horizontal centers starting 1/2" from edge.

Label font is Helvetica Bold 4-stroke. 8 points for knobs, 6 points 
for jacks.

Decorative font is American Uncial exported as HPGL objects 
from a drafting program.

Hope this helps.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "supisuzoi" 
<son_of_zoggs@c...> wrote:
> 
> the jacks of the 1200's appear to be in alignment (at least the 
lower ones, in the case of 
> the JAG), i guess that would be a significant detail i'd want to 
know.  also, what is the 
> panel thickness, 3mm?  and the font used for the legending?
> 
> kevin
> 
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Michael A. Firman" 
<maf@m...> wrote:
> > 
> > I suspect that the Frac-rack template on the Blacet site
> > would do you well. Just ignore the holes for the pots and
> > jacks. i.e. the template is the proper size (for a 2U module)
> > and has the proper mounting hole locations. 
> > 
> > I don't think that Grant has a "standard" placement of the
> > pots and jacks for the 1200 series (he does for the 300
> > series though).
> > 
> > 
> > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Henry Till <htill@y...> 
wrote:
> > > supisuzoi wrote:
> > > > btw, i did see that there is a frac-rack template file 
available on the blacet 
> > > > website.  all we need now is a wiard template, with the 
general spacing information 
> on 
> > it!
> > > 
> > > yeah actually - i second this motion - a template for wiard 
spacing 
> > > would really help out in making my homebrew modules 
visually consistent 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > with the wiard 1200s.
> > > 
> > > -h

is output to output very bad with 1/8"?

2004-12-19 by Ryan Ryan

ok, well in the serge manual, ther eis stated almost every 2 pages "DO NOT CONNECT TWO OUTPUTS TOGETHER!" and says 1 out of 1000 will destroy things due to power reuqirements.
is this the case with 1/8" or just banana jacks? :-)
btw, got an all wiard track up, bear in mind, it was created for something called "rapid composers consortium event" something that is created within 24 hours, I only learneda bout it, 3 hours before hand. So this was it in 3 hours, all wiard for synth sounds, with some effectts from a sony dps v55(not some, but a lot, lol:-))
oh yea and i just got the wiard yesterday, so was just learning more of it, It's a really bad song, but maybe somone will enjoy a bleep or 2 from it. sadly enough i used a preset on it ! lol the "pretty arpeggios" one. Also a picture of the wiard over here http://www.midiwarez.net/rcc/december2004/woggle-threehourwoggle.JPG more patches than was in the patch i last used, but i was trying to make it look massive lol!:-)
-ryan

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Re: is output to output very bad with 1/8"?

2004-12-19 by grantrichter2001

Because the Serge uses unsheilded banana cables, the output 
impedance is very low in order to "absorb" any noise on the 
cable. The resistor value is typically 330 ohm.

The 1/8" systems use shielded cables and an output resistor of 
1K or the equivalent. This higher output resistor allows the 
outputs to be connected together to form a passive mixer at the 
output. It also protects the outputs when drivng a signal into a 
shorted patch cable (which happens).

This will not work for 1 volt per octave outputs like the quantizer 
output of the Sequantizer because the additional load will mess 
up the scaling. But it should not damage it electrically.

The Sequantizer gate outputs are diode isolated and designed 
to be connected together to form what is called a "wire-OR". This 
is also true of the clock output of the Noise Ring, but the Noise 
Ring has a voltage divider after the diode.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Ryan 
<hal3001@y...> wrote:
> ok, well in the serge manual, ther eis stated almost every 2 
pages "DO NOT CONNECT TWO OUTPUTS TOGETHER!"  and 
says 1 out of 1000 will destroy things due to power 
reuqirements.
>  
> is this the case with 1/8" or just banana jacks?  :-)
>  
> btw, got an all wiard track up, bear in mind, it was created for 
something called "rapid composers consortium event" 
something that is created within 24 hours, I only learneda bout it, 
3 hours before hand.  So this was it in 3 hours, all wiard for synth 
sounds, with some effectts from a sony dps v55(not some, but  a 
lot, lol:-))
>  
> 
http://www.midiwarez.net/rcc/december2004/woggle-athreehour
woggle.mp3
>  
> oh yea and i just got the wiard yesterday, so was just learning 
more of it, It's a really bad song, but maybe somone will enjoy a 
bleep or 2 from it.  sadly enough i used a preset on it ! lol the 
"pretty arpeggios" one.  Also a picture of the wiard over here 
http://www.midiwarez.net/rcc/december2004/woggle-threehourw
oggle.JPG more patches than was in the patch i last used, but i 
was trying to  make it look massive lol!:-)  
>  
>  
> -ryan
> 
> 		
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Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-01 by grantrichter2001

Boogie Filters have started shipping. Some people have back 
orders for the Boogie Filter going back a year. So I am clearing 
up the back orders before I take new ones.

Nick and I have been working very hard and there are currently 
50 Boogie PC boards stuffed and on the self. When I do start 
taking new orders, delivery should be rapid for the filter module.

If you want one immediately, please drop me a note at 
sales@wiard.com so I can order a faceplate for you. Blue and 
Black versions are the same price. Please don't send any money 
yet. 

Thanks to everyone for their kind patience and support.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Robair, Gino" 
<GRobair@p...> wrote:
> Hey Grant and gang, 
> Any further indications about when the Boogie filter will 
become available? 
> ginorobair

Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-03 by mrboningen

i can't find a price anywhere on your site grant, how much?

gregg.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "grantrichter2001" <grichter@a...>
wrote:
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> If you want one immediately, please drop me a note at 
> sales@w... so I can order a faceplate for you. Blue and 
> Black versions are the same price. Please don't send any money 
> yet.

Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-03 by grantrichter2001

$312 via Paypal


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrboningen" 
<darkflametwentythree@h...> wrote:
> 
> i can't find a price anywhere on your site grant, how much?
> 
> gregg.
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "grantrichter2001" 
<grichter@a...>
> wrote:
> > If you want one immediately, please drop me a note at 
> > sales@w... so I can order a faceplate for you. Blue and 
> > Black versions are the same price. Please don't send any 
money 
> > yet.

Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-04 by the finger

> $312 via Paypal
> 
> 



Hey Grant, are the 1200 series not supposed to be sub $200????

Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-04 by grantrichter2001

Thank to the National Deficit, your new $300 is only worth an old 
$200...

Not really kidding, unfortunately.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "the finger" 
<pedro.monkeyfinger@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > $312 via Paypal
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Grant, are the 1200 series not supposed to be sub 
$200????

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-07 by ¬ p H ¬

On 1/4/05 1:23 PM, "grantrichter2001" <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Thank to the National Deficit, your new $300 is only worth an old
> $200...
> 
> Not really kidding, unfortunately.
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "the finger"
> <pedro.monkeyfinger@h...> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> $312 via Paypal
that's really a shame, and  just as  Doepfer was gettiing pricey due to the
weak amkerikan $ I was hoping we had an advantage! I really liked the sub
$200 mark.The Boogie sounds/looks great but at over $200 I can't justify
another filter. I still kinda think the 1200 should still be a scaled down
version of the 300.
-pH


John Simonton of PAIA originated an inexpensive 19" rack
mounting system he dubbed the Frac-Rac. This is based on a
5.25" panel height with width multiples of 1.5", 3" and 4.5"

John Blacet went on to develop an very elegant power supply
distribution system, and a bunch of great modules, including two
modules developed along with Wiard: The Mini-Wave module
and the VCO.

The single improvement I could make to the Frac-Rac system, is
to make it so the modules could mount vertically in a Frac-Rac,
or lay down in a shallow desktop enclosure. This could sit in
front of another modular, and provide controllers and advanced
voltage sources.

This would be a modular equivalent of the "Dual Joystick Manual
Controller" that was discontinued.

The faceplates will look like miniature Moog 900 modules (which
is what the 300 series prototype looked like) and to the extent
practical, be capable of being fitted with 3.5mm, banana or 1/4"
connectors. A depth of 1.5" will allow Switchcraft 1/4" jacks for
support of MOTM systems.

John Blacet uses a 0.062" panel thickness because the printed
circuit board is used to stabilize the faceplate against bending.
(and a damn fine piece of engineering it is too). In order to fit a
1.5" depth, the PCB will need to mount horizontally, parallel with
the faceplate. Because of this, the faceplate thickness will be
increased to 0.100" for adequate rigidity.

Useful modules would be:

A nice Joystick (Model 1209B, now shipping)
A fun random voltage/noise source (Noize Ring Model 1210)
A module to control an entire patch with one Joystick
(Joystick Axis Generator Model 1211)
A Universal level and impedance matching module which will let
any type modular talk easily to any other type modular (Active
Multiple)
A CV/Audio mixer module with some cool twist (prototyped, but
needs more fun value)

All modules should be under $200.

So that is the general plan at this point. Produce a set of
Frac-Rac or tabletop modules in Moog 900 color scheme, that
support any connector type and are usable with anyones
modular synthesizer, new or old.

Note that while I would like to support the Buchla 100 and 200
series, they are so ungodly expensive that Wiard can not afford
the liability of connecting to them. So, no Buchla support unless
you sign a 7 page legal document (in blood), promising not to
sue me no matter what happens.

Bill Sequeira

2005-01-07 by ¬ p H ¬

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-07 by Ingo Zobel

--- ¬  p H ¬  <ph@comcast.net> schrieb: 
> 
> On 1/4/05 1:23 PM, "grantrichter2001" <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank to the National Deficit, your new $300 is only worth an old
> > $200...
> > 
> > Not really kidding, unfortunately.
> > 
> > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "the finger"
> > <pedro.monkeyfinger@h...> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> $312 via Paypal
> that's really a shame, and  just as  Doepfer was gettiing pricey due
> to the
> weak amkerikan $ I was hoping we had an advantage! I really liked the
> sub
> $200 mark.The Boogie sounds/looks great but at over $200 I can't
> justify
> another filter. I still kinda think the 1200 should still be a scaled
> down
> version of the 300.
> -pH


hmmm of course the filter is expensive, but sometimes you cannot
build a module for a cheaper price. the only option then is to
not build it and thats why i'm really happy that grant is finally
offering the boogie to us, even for +300$. i'm sure it will
be worth the money.

best wishes

ingo





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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Boogie Filter

2005-01-07 by ¬ p H ¬

On 1/7/05 12:13 AM, "Ingo Zobel" <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> hmmm of course the filter is expensive, but sometimes you cannot
> build a module for a cheaper price. the only option then is to
> not build it and thats why i'm really happy that grant is finally
> offering the boogie to us, even for +300$. i'm sure it will
> be worth the money.

you're right, Ingo.
 I'm sure it is great and will be worth the $$. And tempting, maybe I'll
have to get my hands on one to really know if I NEED another filter. But I
also know Grant wouldn't make just "another filter." It will be something
unique.
Seems like the different output slopes combined with the JAG will be very
special.
Sorry I bitched about the price, I'm sure Grant is charging what he must,
design and research take a lot of time in addition to everything else.

best,
phil

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