MOTM

Probally the coolest looking cables ive seen  are the new  Samson armoured
cables. These are encased in stainless steel sheeth. At 60$ a piece for 25
ft there not cheap, but they look  very retro and they are virually
indestructable. I wouldnt use these on the modular , but on bass or some
kbds they looks awesome!
Jim

while we're on the subject.....
i've made many cables including my MOTM ones and i'm a bit concerned. i 
just listened to one of the longer cables i made, going from elec gtr to 
amp, and it sounded like there was a LP filter on the guitar: so much highs 
and presence was just not there, compared to a spectraflex that we compared 
it with.

i'm using canare starquad and neutrik ends. i guess my results are from 
poor soldering ?  advice?

mark

Mark.  Guitar pickups are VERY high impedance, and when they get loaded too
much the result is the same as the LP filter effect you speak of.  I assume
that you were doing a direct cable to cable comparison connected to the
guitar amp.

I am not familiar with the starquad cable you are talking about.  Why is it
called starquad?  Does it have more than one wire inside the shield?  One of
the problems with cable can be inter-element capacitance.  What might work
OK for the synth, could be a problem with guitar.  I would suggest that it
is not your soldering, but maybe this cable (even if it is good quality) is
not suitable for guitar use.  To test this, you could run the guitar through
a preamp or effect unit so the cable is between the effect and amp and not
actually connected to the guitar.  See if this makes any difference.,

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: zapsn0n <n0nspaz@...>
while we're on the subject.....
i've made many cables including my MOTM ones and
i'm a bit concerned. i just listened to one of the longer
cables i made, going from elec gtr to amp, and it sounded
like there was a LP filter on the guitar: so much highs
and presence was just not there, compared to a spectraflex
that we compared it with.

i'm using canare starquad and neutrik ends. i guess my
results are from poor soldering ?  advice?

mark

In a message dated 11/11/00 7:58:34 PM, jlarryh@... writes:

<< I am not familiar with the starquad cable you are talking about.  Why is it
called starquad? >>

This is an excellent mic cable made by Canare specifically for balanced audio 
connection.  It utilizes four inner conductors that are woven around each 
other and used in pairs.  This configuration provides optimal noise 
cancellation when used with differential inputs.  I can't imagine it 
providing any problems when used as a guitar cable, although ANY extremely 
long cable will provide high-frequency rolloff when used with high-impedance 
instruments pickups.  Shouldn't sound any different than another cable of the 
same length.

Ivan

thanks larry & ivan,

tonight i A/B/C'd mine again with a Monster cable (with gold connectors) 
and a spectraflex of similar length and there is a serious difference.  the 
monster was very clear and musical and the 'average' of the three, the 
spectraflex was high-endy and lacking in lows as well, and mine (the 
canare/neutrik) was the 'warmest' (read: slight drop off in the highs), 
defnitely less high-end presence.  it blows my mind.....though i know that 
similar phenomena happens with speaker cable...

equipment:  Bogner guitar amp, Fender strat, living room

-mark


At 12:48 AM 11/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

>In a message dated 11/11/00 7:58:34 PM, jlarryh@... writes:
>
><< I am not familiar with the starquad cable you are talking about.  Why is it
>called starquad? >>
>
>This is an excellent mic cable made by Canare specifically for balanced audio
>connection.  It utilizes four inner conductors that are woven around each
>other and used in pairs.  This configuration provides optimal noise
>cancellation when used with differential inputs.  I can't imagine it
>providing any problems when used as a guitar cable, although ANY extremely
>long cable will provide high-frequency rolloff when used with high-impedance
>instruments pickups.  Shouldn't sound any different than another cable of the
>same length.
>
>Ivan
>
>
>

In a message dated 11/11/00 11:32:16 PM, n0nspaz@... writes:

<< tonight i A/B/C'd mine again >>

There is no doubt that cable capacitance has differing effects on the sound 
in a high-impedance situation such as a guitar.  If you had a low-impedance 
output, from something like an active onboard preamp or active pickups (like 
EMG) you would probably notice a much smaller difference in cable effects.

Ivan

Sent this out to AH as well but email is doing funny things today so 
I'm posting here as well....

Does anyone know what these cables are?  

http://ronwestb12.com/ap2001/pages/Dscf0428.htm

They're on the MOTM at Audio Playground.  Kind of cool because of the 
color coding.

On a somewhat related topic - why are the Wacky Kovacky cables so 
great?  Any better than picking up switchcraft connectors, decent 
wire, and putting them together yourself?

> Does anyone know what these cables are?
>
> http://ronwestb12.com/ap2001/pages/Dscf0428.htm


Look like the TEAC ones at Guitar Center.

>
> They're on the MOTM at Audio Playground.  Kind of cool because of the
> color coding.
>
> On a somewhat related topic - why are the Wacky Kovacky cables so
> great?  Any better than picking up switchcraft connectors, decent
> wire, and putting them together yourself?

I use Wacky. Note that his website is down, because he moved and has not yet
set it back up.
I have his phone # somewhere.

Personally, I don't have time to sit and make cables :)

Paul S.

I make my own cables with switchcraft connectors and high quality shielded
wire.  I use color-coded shrink-wrap tubing at the ends.  They work great
and look cool, but it's not much fun.  I build three cables after completing
a module - to sort of spread out the pain.  Alas, since I bought a large
quantity of connectors and wire, I guess I'll be doing this routine for a
while.  After that, it's "Wacky" all the way.

George

----- Original Message -----
From: <jpotter@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: [motm] Cables


Sent this out to AH as well but email is doing funny things today so
I'm posting here as well....

Does anyone know what these cables are?

http://ronwestb12.com/ap2001/pages/Dscf0428.htm

They're on the MOTM at Audio Playground.  Kind of cool because of the
color coding.

On a somewhat related topic - why are the Wacky Kovacky cables so
great?  Any better than picking up switchcraft connectors, decent
wire, and putting them together yourself?




Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Well, I'm definitely not looking for more work than necessary.  Just 
thought it would be much cheaper and a simple matter (ie. less than 5 
minutes/cable).  

Out of curiosity - does the shrink-wrap require a heat gun or will a 
regular old hair dryer work? 

Paul, if you find that phone number for Wacky I'd be interested...

Anyone know approx. price for a single 3" Wacky cord w/ 1/4" 
connectors?  I realize the price probably goes down as qty. ordered 
increases - just looking for a baseline.

Thanks,

John

--- In motm@y..., "George Kisslak" <groovyshaman@s...> wrote:
> I make my own cables with switchcraft connectors and high quality 
shielded
> wire.  I use color-coded shrink-wrap tubing at the ends.  They work 
great
> and look cool, but it's not much fun.  I build three cables after 
completing
> a module - to sort of spread out the pain.  Alas, since I bought a 
large
> quantity of connectors and wire, I guess I'll be doing this routine 
for a

> while.  After that, it's "Wacky" all the way.
> 
> George

Yep, If Paul comes up w/ the number, I'll try to get in touch and send the
info onto you and the group.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: George Kisslak [mailto:groovyshaman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:47 PM
To: John Potter
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: Cables


It doesn't take much time to make a cable - it's just not as fun as building
DIY circuits and modules.  There are different qualities for various types
of shrink tubing.  I use a Steinel heat gun, since the shrink temp for the
colored stuff is too high for a hair dryer to work.  I figure I'm saving
roughly 50% over the cost of pre-made cables.

If you get prices for Wacky's cables, could you forward them on to me?
Thanks!

George
----- Original Message -----
From: <jpotter@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Cables


Well, I'm definitely not looking for more work than necessary.  Just
thought it would be much cheaper and a simple matter (ie. less than 5
minutes/cable).

Out of curiosity - does the shrink-wrap require a heat gun or will a
regular old hair dryer work?

Paul, if you find that phone number for Wacky I'd be interested...

Anyone know approx. price for a single 3" Wacky cord w/ 1/4"
connectors?  I realize the price probably goes down as qty. ordered
increases - just looking for a baseline.

Thanks,

John

--- In motm@y..., "George Kisslak" <groovyshaman@s...> wrote:
> I make my own cables with switchcraft connectors and high quality
shielded
> wire.  I use color-coded shrink-wrap tubing at the ends.  They work
great
> and look cool, but it's not much fun.  I build three cables after
completing
> a module - to sort of spread out the pain.  Alas, since I bought a
large
> quantity of connectors and wire, I guess I'll be doing this routine
for a
> while.  After that, it's "Wacky" all the way.
>
> George





Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

They look like Hosa patch bay cables.  They come in packs of 8 and lengths
of 1', 1.5' and 3'.

A hair dryer will not work.  Get a heat gun, you'll appreciate it.  Makes
kit building easier too.

John Loffink
microtonal@...

----- Original Message -----

From: <jpotter@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:26 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Cables


> Well, I'm definitely not looking for more work than necessary.  Just
> thought it would be much cheaper and a simple matter (ie. less than 5
> minutes/cable).
>
> Out of curiosity - does the shrink-wrap require a heat gun or will a
> regular old hair dryer work?
>
> Paul, if you find that phone number for Wacky I'd be interested...
>
> Anyone know approx. price for a single 3" Wacky cord w/ 1/4"
> connectors?  I realize the price probably goes down as qty. ordered
> increases - just looking for a baseline.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> --- In motm@y..., "George Kisslak" <groovyshaman@s...> wrote:
> > I make my own cables with switchcraft connectors and high quality
> shielded
> > wire.  I use color-coded shrink-wrap tubing at the ends.  They work
> great
> > and look cool, but it's not much fun.  I build three cables after
> completing
> > a module - to sort of spread out the pain.  Alas, since I bought a
> large
> > quantity of connectors and wire, I guess I'll be doing this routine
> for a
> > while.  After that, it's "Wacky" all the way.
> >
> > George
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

In a message dated 6/27/01 11:06:03 AM, jpotter@... writes:

<< They're on the MOTM at Audio Playground.  Kind of cool because of the 
color coding. >>

Looks like Hosa or similar cables to me.  Certainly inexpensive, but I've 
gotten frustrated having failures with molded cables.

<< On a somewhat related topic - why are the Wacky Kovacky cables so 
great?  Any better than picking up switchcraft connectors, decent 
wire, and putting them together yourself? >>

He's REALLY inexpensive.  Typically less than I can buy the parts, much less 
not having to find the time to solder away.

Ivan

Wacky Kovacy

847-366-0292

Hello
I am a new MOTM user/musician from Greece.
I can't find cables in the colors and measurements I need , anybody 
knows a store in Europe I can get some?

Thanks

Order some from Larry Hendry. He is in the States but he will get you whatever you want.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexandros Papadopoulos" <Alexmoog@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:31 AM
Subject: [motm] Cables


> Hello
> I am a new MOTM user/musician from Greece.
> I can't find cables in the colors and measurements I need , anybody 
> knows a store in Europe I can get some?
> 
> Thanks
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