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Normalling 1V/Oct inputs

Normalling 1V/Oct inputs

2000-02-22 by Crawley, Eric

I know this has come up before but I think I have a different set of
questions to ask now...

Has anyone done any normalling of the 1V/Oct inputs on their MOTM 300s or
420s from the jack on the module?  I was noticing that I was always using up
multiples for these inputs and I wondered if I could wire up a standard CV
source, such as a MIDI/CV output directly to the back of the jack.  I see
from the circuit diagram that the 1V/Oct inputs are already normalled jacks
that connect to ground when there is no plug present.  I guess that I could
wire the CV source to the jack instead of to ground (perhaps with a
connector so I could remove the panel without much difficulty) and just make
sure that it is grounded when there is no voltage source (or make a dummy
plug that connects the tip and sleeve together to use on the front panel).

Has anyone done this?  I'm more concerned about different grounds between
the MOTM panels and my CV source causing stability problems.  Is this a
valid concern?

	Eric

RE: Normalling 1V/Oct inputs

2000-02-22 by Dave Bradley

Don't get Paul started on normalling - he's opposed to it on general
electrical principles. Others are opposed to it on philosophical grounds -
"don't normal cause you'll get lazy and quit experimenting".

However, I intend to do SOMETHING to mine because it's going to be a largish
system capable of 4 voice polyphony, and I don't want to use up the same
dozen patchcords every time just setting up kbd CV and gate signals. So
here's my two cents worth in a random stream of consciousness:

1. From an electrical standpoint, tis far better to normal both the hot and
ground wires from jack to jack instead of just normalling the hot wire and
depending on the ground back at the power supply to complete the circuit.

2. Tis better to normal with shielded wire than nonshielded. Practically, if
you combine this with (1) above, it should be equivalent electrically to
plugging in a patch cord.

2.5 You should only normal an input from 1 place, so you'll only have one
wire to deal with. Normal an output to several places, and all those ground
wires trying to connect to the same jack will get messy!

3. If you normal, tis better to figure out a way to be able to remove
modules from the cabinet without desoldering normalled connections. One
possible somewhat elegant but potentially expensive solution: mount a small
pcb behind the jack field on the module, and bring the connections to be
normalled up to some kind of alternate connector system. Not expensive and
bulky 1/4" jacks, but a pin and socket type deal. Need reliable connectors
for this. Emu did this with their system, but went with a hot wire only
system instead of carrying the ground.

4. When normalling inputs, always use the jack's normalling lug, NOT the hot
lug so that a jack applied to the front panel will override. When normalling
outputs, use the hot lug.

Aw, screw it. Here's an alternative: Under each row of modules, run a
Larry's Magic Buss(tm) strip. Divide it up into groups of 4 jacks such that
some groups are a simple mult, some output 4 gate signals from your
converter, some output 4 kbd CV signals from your convertor, etc. Wire this
all up such that the gate outputs happen to be just under your 800s, the kbd
CVs are available just under your 300s and 420s, etc. Now all you need is a
6" patchcord to run your common hookups, you don't have to unplug them, they
are out of the way, and you don't have the unsoldering/alternate connection
system hassles of true normalling when you remove modules.

Your approach sorta depends on the size of the system you are contemplating
normalling.

Hey, I just realized I never answered your original question! To normal to
the 300's 1V/Oct input, disconnect the jumper from the normalling lug to
ground, and connect a shielded cable to the normalled lug and ground. Run
this to your converter. Any grounding issues should be no worse than if you
had plugged a cable into the front panel.

Dave

From: "Crawley, Eric" <esc@...>

Has anyone done any normalling of the 1V/Oct inputs on their MOTM 300s or
420s from the jack on the module?  I was noticing that I was always using up
multiples for these inputs and I wondered if I could wire up a standard CV
source, such as a MIDI/CV output directly to the back of the jack.

RE: Normalling 1V/Oct inputs

2000-02-22 by Crawley, Eric

Dave,

Thanks for the words of wisdom.  I was thinking of taking the output of a
Moog VC control panel (the thing that has the lighted switches to select
between 4 CV sources; my 3 sources are 1-kbd, 2-MIDI/CV, 3-Ribbon,
4-external) and bring that to a jack in the back of the cabinet.  Then in
MOTM cabinet, I would take the 1V/Oct inputs of the 300s, using the
normalling lugs with shielded wire, of course, and bring them to some sort
of connector panel in the back of the cabinet with another jack to connect
with the lower cabinet.  

I suppose I should make the connection between the cabinets with a few
conductors so I can route more signals (gate, etc.), if necessary.  

	Eric

Re: Normalling 1V/Oct inputs

2000-02-23 by J. Larry Hendry

> From: Dave Bradley <daveb@...>
> 
>--- snip out 4 very good an interesting points on normalling ---<
> 
> Aw, screw it. Here's an alternative: Under each row of 
> modules, run a Larry's Magic Buss(tm) strip. Divide it up
> into groups of 4 jacks such that some groups are a simple
> mult, some output 4 gate signals from your converter,
> some output 4 kbd CV signals from your convertor, etc.
> Wire this all up such that the gate outputs happen to be
> just under your 800s, the kbd CVs are available just under
> your 300s and 420s, etc. Now all you need is a 6" patchcord
> to run your common hookups, you don't have to unplug them,
> they are out of the way, and you don't have the
> unsoldering/alternate connection system hassles of true
> normalling when you remove modules.

Again, I agree with Dave <snicker>

LH

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