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Screened panels

2001-09-16 by sikorsky

hello all,
i'll keep this one onlist as there's probably a little discussion involved -
what i'd like to see:

1U Oakley Oultimix
i just got of of the freebie issue one boards (all gone now) so i'd like to
give it a good panel - though with the MOTM830 now available i suppose there
won't be a second run...

Blacet Dark Star
i have a not bad panel - so i'd only be interested if the stooge version had
dave's excellent noise clock out mod weaved into the design - i mounted the
jack where the push button used to be

Oakley Noise Filter
was there a political reason why not..? i think it's sufficiently different
from the MOTM100/101 to warrant a stooge panel - the filters save the loss
of a 420 for noise filtering duties, and the 'infra-red' output is imho far
superior to the motm 'random' output - i've tried emulating it with motm
modules but never quite got it right (patch hints welcome here)

Oakley Envelope  Follower
i'd like one but would prefer not to go down that road again...

Maybe an avenue to look at would be some of those DIY designs on Grant
Richters site (i could be totally wrong here) the divide by control voltage
counter makes a nice little 1U panel, as does a dual schmitt trigger

and while we're on the subject, if anyone has a simple gate delay schematic
they'd like to share..?

just my thoughts
cheers
paul b
sheffield uk

Re: [motm] Screened panels

2001-09-16 by sikorsky

hello all (again)

> --LH--
> The 850 pedal interface has something that you can use for short delays.
It
> generates a gate when the CV gets above a certain threshold.  I would
think
> one could use it several ways.

there is a simple patch i've used involving the 800, the circuit i'm after
is a 'quick solution' - as the list knows, a modular is rarely a quick
solution in a commercial studio situation - a 'quick' patch usually involves
the EG minus output going into the filter FM1

> 2 - Make your own simple circuit where...

noted, i tried one circuit i found on the web, and after the third attempt
gave up - i've also 'designed' something using a pair of 555s but i really
don't think it'll work

> 3 - Or one could add the threshold pot and make the circuit more of a full
> blown comparator and one of the functions is gate delay.

i think maybe a 'pot pourri' panel would be useful - so long as it were tied
into a set of simple schematics - something like 2U with some logic,
inverters, schmitt triggers, comparators etc - who knows..?

cheers
paul b

gate delays??

2001-09-17 by mark@indole.net

At 8:13 PM +0100 09/16/01, sikorsky wrote:

>> 2 - Make your own simple circuit where...
>
>noted, i tried one circuit i found on the web, and after the third attempt
>gave up - i've also 'designed' something using a pair of 555s but i really
>don't think it'll work

What exactly are you trying to do??  The term "gate delay" seems a bit
vague, and I apologize if I'm unaware of an established definition.

I'm not like Dr. 555 or anything, in fact I can't even seem to buy a copy
of that "555 Cookbook", but I've built a number of 555 and discrete digital
circuits over the years (using gates and flip-flops) so I might have
already "designed" the circuit you want.  If not, I'd be willing to take a
crack at it.  The key word in that sentence is "crack", as Paul will scold
me for using the classic 555 that draws 20 Amps of current :)

>> 3 - Or one could add the threshold pot and make the circuit more of
>> a full blown comparator and one of the functions is gate delay.
>
>i think maybe a 'pot pourri' panel would be useful - so long as it were
>>tied into a set of simple schematics - something like 2U with some logic,
>inverters, schmitt triggers, comparators etc - who knows..?

I think modules like that will be useful as well, as part of a series that
contains sequencers, pulse dividers, analogue and digital shift registers,
logic functions, etc.

Rather than trying to roll various unrelated functions into one module, I
imagine at least two separate 1U modules:  a knobbed module with variable
threshold settings containing a schmitt trigger/comparator for squaring-up
signals, ringing filters, generating gates, etc.; and a knobless digital
module for building little combinational networks containing various logic
gates (OR, AND, XOR, INV, etc.).  I think that would be much more flexible.

Someone suggested a module based on the AD534 that can multiply, divide,
square, root, etc.  Such a module might be a good addition to the 500
series for the man who has everything.

Re: gate delays??

2001-09-17 by sikorsky

hello all,

> What exactly are you trying to do??  The term "gate delay" seems a bit
> vague, and I apologize if I'm unaware of an established definition.

what i'm looking for (gate delay may not be the correct term per se) is
something that will take a gate signal, and delay it - shit,
erm, imagine - and this is only an illustration chaps - i have a synth
hi-hat programmmed on the beat, and i can't be bother to re-program my
sequencer but i want it off beat. i put my gate or trigger for the hit-hat
into the gate delay and adjust the delay time accordingly
does this make sense..?

> Rather than trying to roll various unrelated functions into one module, I
> imagine at least two separate 1U modules:  a knobbed module with variable
> threshold settings containing a schmitt trigger/comparator for squaring-up
> signals, ringing filters, generating gates, etc.; and a knobless digital
> module for building little combinational networks containing various logic
> gates (OR, AND, XOR, INV, etc.).  I think that would be much more
flexible.

i was shying away from suggesting the modules be too fully functioned as
Paul S has both a delay and a clock divider in the pipeline - the stuff i
was proposing would be very much in the stooge diy spirit, more of a
learning tool, but with MOTM standards
we'll see where this one goes, whatever the outcome, they'll be a useful
little set of modules - apart from the EFM boolean logic module, does anyone
know of any other synth manufactuer who makes a similar thing (Emu excepted)

> Someone suggested a module based on the AD534 that can multiply, divide,
> square, root, etc.  Such a module might be a good addition to the 500
> series for the man who has everything.

once you get into the modular habit you will never be 'the man who has
everything' :-)
for a technical interpretation see the human league's "black hit of space"
i just cannot wait to see where the 500 series takes us - the more
mathmatical the better (not that i understand anything past simple algebra)

sorry i forgot, the schematics i refered to the other day (schmitt trigger &
divide by control voltage counter) can be found at something like
www.scsiband.com/diy  the diy page isn't linked to the main page
i've not gotten the x/cv counter to work properly yet - but then i've not
gotten around to looking yet

cheers
paul b

Re: gate delays??

2001-09-18 by chupacba@tampabay.rr.com

Yep, Modcan and Serge.

http://www.modcan.com/MODHTML/boolean.html

http://www.wwa.com/~johnp/wiz_cv_trig.htm

By the way - here's a link I just bumped into at the modcan site that 
you guys might be interested in.  Haven't read it through yet but 
looked interesting:

http://www.modcan.com/synth_prog.pdf

--- In motm@y..., "sikorsky" <vulture.squadron@s...> wrote:
>> apart from the EFM boolean logic module, does anyone know of any 
other synth manufactuer who makes a similar thing (Emu excepted)

Re: [motm] Re: gate delays??

2001-09-18 by mark@indole.net

>what i'm looking for (gate delay may not be the correct term per se) is
>something that will take a gate signal, and delay it - shit,
>erm, imagine - and this is only an illustration chaps - i have a synth
>hi-hat programmmed on the beat, and i can't be bother to re-program my
>sequencer but i want it off beat. i put my gate or trigger for the hit-hat
>into the gate delay and adjust the delay time accordingly
>does this make sense..?

Yes, that makes sense, although my first reaction would be to run the
output of the hi-hat through a digital delay :)

When I first read through what you wanted, I thought to myself, "Oh, that's
easy it just takes a couple of 555's" (I don't use 556's as I still have
half a sleeve of 555's I bought during the Bush administration).  Then
after I gave it some thought, I realized it's not so easy.

It all depends on what you want this thing to do.

If you only want triggers such that the pulse width of the incoming gate is
ignored (ie. only the leading edge of the incoming pulse matters) and the
output pulse is some fixed pre-determined length, then that's rather easy
as long as the incoming gates are spaced farther apart than the delay time.

You could even use a counter and sync the delay to an incoming clock.

If you want to preserve the pulse width of the incoming gate, that can be
built with two 555's, two NOR gates, a flip-flop (such as a 7474), and
perhaps a couple of op-amps for interfacing.  However, the pulse width of
the incoming gate must be less than the delay time, and the period between
these incoming gates must be more than the delay time.

Now, if you want to be able to set the delay time such that it is longer
than the time between incoming gates, that looks like it's going be very
difficult.  It's an interesting problem and I'm going to look into it, but
my intuition tells me that no matter how it's designed there is going to be
a limit on the number of gates delayed (I'm thinking at least two
flip-flops per gate).  It might be easier to use some sort of PAL or uP,
which is beyond my ability.

While we're at it, does anyone know of a good way to get a regulated 5V
from a 15V supply??


>i was shying away from suggesting the modules be too fully functioned as
>Paul S has both a delay and a clock divider in the pipeline

Really??  What sort of delay line??

>- the stuff i was proposing would be very much in the stooge diy spirit,
>>more of a learning tool, but with MOTM standards

Oh, I'm not up to MOTM standards.  Anything I design requires a team of
midgets and a halon system.

>we'll see where this one goes, whatever the outcome, they'll be a useful
>little set of modules - apart from the EFM boolean logic module, does
>>anyone know of any other synth manufactuer who makes a similar thing
>(Emu excepted)

Serge came out with one a few years ago.

>once you get into the modular habit you will never be 'the man who has
>everything' :-)
>for a technical interpretation see the human league's "black hit of space"
>i just cannot wait to see where the 500 series takes us - the more
>mathmatical the better (not that i understand anything past simple algebra)

What's algebra??

>sorry i forgot, the schematics i refered to the other day
>(schmitt trigger & divide by control voltage counter) can be found at
>something like www.scsiband.com/diy  the diy page isn't linked to
>the main page i've not gotten the x/cv counter to work properly yet
>- but then i've not gotten around to looking yet

Thanks for the URL.  I'm patiently waiting for the MOTM VC Pulse Divider,
but it seems that the other Paul is insistent on building more filters.
Good thing I know people in Dallas.  I figure if I don't see it by next
year, I'll have one of their kids shoot out his porch light with a BB gun ;)

Re: [motm] Re: gate delays??

2001-09-18 by sikorsky

hello all,
what have i started..?
fortunately i seem to have stumbled across a brand d schematic which looks
very simple and will bridge the gap until the texas cavalry arrives - after
all, i don't really need a gate delay, it's just part of my learning
process - by the time i've learnt enough dil semiconductors will be worth
more than diamonds anyway...
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From: <chupacba@...>
> By the way - here's a link I just bumped into at the modcan site that
> you guys might be interested in.  Haven't read it through yet but
> looked interesting:
> http://www.modcan.com/synth_prog.pdf

i checked this out - it's from Keyboard magazine back in 1985, if you don't
mind downloading 2Mb you get 10 pages of simple patches, and an interesting
article on professional programmers

cheers
paul b
about to put uncalibrated mini-wave all over a track or two

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