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2000-08-23 by SBS.TBleicher@t-online.de
digitalsurgery wrote: > YOU CANNOT RELY ON EXS24. This is funny, because I currently working on a new song which uses about *five* (!) instances of EXS24 in LAWP 4.5... Of course there are still some bugs (it\ufffds version 1.0, isn\ufffdt it?), but IMO none of them is so substantial that you can\ufffdt use it. At least here it does it\ufffds job :-) Thomas
2000-08-24 by Henrik Klagges
> > YOU CANNOT RELY ON EXS24.
>
> This is funny, because I currently working on a new song which uses
> about *five* (!) instances of EXS24 in LAWP 4.5...
and I just measured audio timing with LAWP4.5, AW8, EXS24 yesterday and
man, it is good:
- It is *really* sample accurate (maybe +-1)
- triggering is really on the note (e.g., have a beat at 1 1 1 1 on the
EXS and record that sound into AW8 at the same time, the difference is
maybe 5 samples or so.
Compare that to triggering an external Midi device... I'll use the EXS for
the major parts of my drum tracks in the future. For me this timing is
a dream come true.
Also, I used the editor to build a nice drum bank. The editor works well
and it has all the right knobs (e.g. "start playing at frame #").
Yes, the alias-not-working stuff etc. are real bugs and are stepping on my
nerves, but I don't regret buying this piece of software.
Cheers,
Henrik2000-08-24 by digitalsurgery
We were not referring to the sample accuracy. Inconsistent Triggering - simply means that when performing a passage using the EXS24 some note do not trigger or fire or play whichever word you like. This is random and does not occur on same note at the same time - it changes. This is a function of the workability of the software instrument after conversion. You cannot rely of the EXS24 in its present state because of this. This is part of the 'hanging notes - stuck notes' problem as well. I do not see why we should have to go out and purchase yet another Akai conversion software just because EXS24 conversion does not work. This is unreasonable to say the least. When you pay your money (they set the price) you should get what you pay for.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Klagges [mailto:tmp@...] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:13 AM > To: exs-users@egroups.com; logic-users@egroups.com > Subject: [LUG] Re: [exs] Hanging notes & INCONSISTENT TRIGGERING > > > > > > YOU CANNOT RELY ON EXS24. > > > > This is funny, because I currently working on a new song which uses > > about *five* (!) instances of EXS24 in LAWP 4.5... > > and I just measured audio timing with LAWP4.5, AW8, EXS24 yesterday and > man, it is good: > > - It is *really* sample accurate (maybe +-1) > > - triggering is really on the note (e.g., have a beat at 1 1 1 1 on the > EXS and record that sound into AW8 at the same time, the difference is > maybe 5 samples or so. > > Compare that to triggering an external Midi device... I'll use > the EXS for > the major parts of my drum tracks in the future. For me this timing is > a dream come true. > > Also, I used the editor to build a nice drum bank. The editor works well > and it has all the right knobs (e.g. "start playing at frame #"). > > Yes, the alias-not-working stuff etc. are real bugs and are > stepping on my > nerves, but I don't regret buying this piece of software. > > Cheers, > Henrik > > > > > Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >
2000-08-24 by Logic User
I have none of these problems. Mine works fine. I believe it is your system, MIDI interface or something... We should be helping each other to resolve the source of problems. Granted there are improvements to be made, but it seems like a lot of people out there are pointing the finger at Emagic for problems that are not specifically related to the software. If users voice their problems without malice and blame, they might get a response from another user that solves all their problems. If you don't, you'll just get flamed by all the content users. Just a thought.
> From: "digitalsurgery" <info@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:04:42 -0700 > To: "Exs-Users@Egroups. Com" <exs-users@egroups.com> > Subject: Re: [exs] Hanging notes & INCONSISTENT TRIGGERING > > > > We were not referring to the sample accuracy. > Inconsistent Triggering - simply means that when performing a passage using > the EXS24 some note do not trigger or fire or play whichever word you like. > This is random and does not occur on same note at the same time - it > changes. > This is a function of the workability of the software instrument after > conversion. > You cannot rely of the EXS24 in its present state because of this. > This is part of the 'hanging notes - stuck notes' problem as well. > > I do not see why we should have to go out and purchase yet another Akai > conversion software just because EXS24 conversion does not work. > This is unreasonable to say the least. When you pay your money (they set the > price) you should get what you pay for. >
2000-08-24 by Logic User
I have none of these problems. Mine works fine. I believe it is your system, MIDI interface or something...
> From: "digitalsurgery" <info@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:04:42 -0700 > To: "Exs-Users@Egroups. Com" <exs-users@egroups.com> > Subject: Re: [exs] Hanging notes & INCONSISTENT TRIGGERING > > > > We were not referring to the sample accuracy. > Inconsistent Triggering - simply means that when performing a passage using > the EXS24 some note do not trigger or fire or play whichever word you like. > This is random and does not occur on same note at the same time - it > changes. > This is a function of the workability of the software instrument after > conversion. > You cannot rely of the EXS24 in its present state because of this. > This is part of the 'hanging notes - stuck notes' problem as well. > > I do not see why we should have to go out and purchase yet another Akai > conversion software just because EXS24 conversion does not work. > This is unreasonable to say the least. When you pay your money (they set the > price) you should get what you pay for. > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Henrik Klagges [mailto:tmp@...] >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:13 AM >> To: exs-users@egroups.com; logic-users@egroups.com >> Subject: [LUG] Re: [exs] Hanging notes & INCONSISTENT TRIGGERING >> >> >> >>>> YOU CANNOT RELY ON EXS24. >>> >>> This is funny, because I currently working on a new song which uses >>> about *five* (!) instances of EXS24 in LAWP 4.5... >> >> and I just measured audio timing with LAWP4.5, AW8, EXS24 yesterday and >> man, it is good: >> >> - It is *really* sample accurate (maybe +-1) >> >> - triggering is really on the note (e.g., have a beat at 1 1 1 1 on the >> EXS and record that sound into AW8 at the same time, the difference is >> maybe 5 samples or so. >> >> Compare that to triggering an external Midi device... I'll use >> the EXS for >> the major parts of my drum tracks in the future. For me this timing is >> a dream come true. >> >> Also, I used the editor to build a nice drum bank. The editor works well >> and it has all the right knobs (e.g. "start playing at frame #"). >> >> Yes, the alias-not-working stuff etc. are real bugs and are >> stepping on my >> nerves, but I don't regret buying this piece of software. >> >> Cheers, >> Henrik >> >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe: mail to logic-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >
2000-08-24 by digitalsurgery
It is not a Midi interface or 'something' problem. All of our rack mount synths and samplers trigger just fine - no hanging notes and no false triggering or inconsistent fireing of midi notes - No problems whatsoever. Bitheadz works great through DirectConnect. W We have not had difficulties of this type with any software sampler or player - ever. We do not have difficulties with ES1 in any way. We have not difficulties of this type with anything but EXS24.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Logic User [mailto:exs_dude@...] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM > To: exs-users@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [exs] Hanging notes & INCONSISTENT TRIGGERING > > > I have none of these problems. Mine works fine. I believe it is > your system, > MIDI interface or something... We should be helping each other to resolve > the source of problems. Granted there are improvements to be made, but it > seems like a lot of people out there are pointing the finger at Emagic for > problems that are not specifically related to the software. If users voice > their problems without malice and blame, they might get a response from > another user that solves all their problems. If you don't, you'll just get > flamed by all the content users. Just a thought. > > > From: "digitalsurgery" <info@...> > > Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:04:42 -0700 > > To: "Exs-Users@Egroups. Com" <exs-users@egroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [exs] Hanging notes & INCONSISTENT TRIGGERING > > > > > > > > We were not referring to the sample accuracy. > > Inconsistent Triggering - simply means that when performing a > passage using > > the EXS24 some note do not trigger or fire or play whichever > word you like. > > This is random and does not occur on same note at the same time - it > > changes. > > This is a function of the workability of the software instrument after > > conversion. > > You cannot rely of the EXS24 in its present state because of this. > > This is part of the 'hanging notes - stuck notes' problem as well. > > > > I do not see why we should have to go out and purchase yet another Akai > > conversion software just because EXS24 conversion does not work. > > This is unreasonable to say the least. When you pay your money > (they set the > > price) you should get what you pay for. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >
2000-08-24 by JKJensen
I've had my EXS for less than a week and I love it. It is great to have non latency rhythm programing integrated into Logic. I really like the user interface too, very intuitive. I can't wait to try the direct connect version. I am running mine on a 9600 and it seems OK except for hanging notes and a bit of latency when playing thru it. I wonder if a G4 with a Korg card would be enough to start programing orchestral stuff..? Anyway thanks to Emagic for a great product Kindest Regards JKJ
2000-08-25 by Phil Buckle
When I'm using Sample Cell I usually record my drums by having a separate instrument for Kick and Snare. This means that if I want to change either I can simply load up a new Kick or Snare instrument. I don't like having just one instrument called "drums" cos it makes it hard to change samples and you can't use separate effects or inserts. So.........can this be done with ESX? Can you have a Kick on one ESX and a Snare on another ESX.........different key allocation of course AND have both ESX's receive on the same midi channel? So.............could you have say 5 ESX's each with it's own mapped drum sound receiving on the ONE CHANNEL? AND can you select and hear more than one ESX on the arrange page using this method? Please try this before you say yes. Any feedback much appreciated. Phil Buckle.
2000-08-25 by Henrik Klagges
> It is great to have non latency rhythm programing
> integrated into Logic.
That's the key point, at least for me. Of course, if somebody experiences
missing notes, that's a drag. But what I do is: Record everything
aligned to no-latency rhythm tracks. Then care about missing
notes in the *final* mixdown, e.g. by bouncing the EXS track to
a wav. Or do you also get missing notes when you just play the EXS
track(s) soloed?
Cheers,
HK2000-08-25 by Logic User
Phil, Yes, of course. You can have up to 16 instances (total instrument channels available in logic).
> From: Phil Buckle <pbuckle@...> > Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:01:10 +1000 > To: <exs-users@egroups.com> > Subject: [exs] ESX Channels and Instruments. > > When I'm using Sample Cell I usually record my drums by having a separate > instrument for Kick and Snare. This means that if I want to change either I > can simply load up a new Kick or Snare instrument. I don't like having just > one instrument called "drums" cos it makes it hard to change samples and you > can't use separate effects or inserts. So.........can this be done with ESX? > Can you have a Kick on one ESX and a Snare on another ESX.........different > key allocation of course AND have both ESX's receive on the same midi > channel? > So.............could you have say 5 ESX's each with it's own mapped drum > sound receiving on the ONE CHANNEL? > AND can you select and hear more than one ESX on the arrange page using this > method? > Please try this before you say yes. > Any feedback much appreciated. > Phil Buckle. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >
2000-08-25 by Vicente Prats Fraser
el 25/8/00 15:03, Logic User en exs_dude@... escribió: > Phil, > > Yes, of course. You can have up to 16 instances (total instrument channels > available in logic). > Sure enough, but they can't share the same 'midi channel' like Phil wants. Vicente
2000-08-25 by digitalsurgery
Our tech guys have been working on the problem for last few days. We have been able to set up a very 'simple' , and I mean 'simple', Mac based system that works pretty good. As long as we dont use any other VST, Direconnect, etc instrument and only use the EXS it seems to play well. Just the internal Logic drivers, no OMS. We still get the odd hang but it is not unuseable. We are trying to hook that up as a stand alone to the rest of the system. We'll see how that works. Thanks for all your great suggestions. Really appreciate the constructive feedback.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Klagges [mailto:tmp@...] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:36 AM > To: exs-users@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [exs] Hanging notes & INCONSISTENT TRIGGERING > > > > > It is great to have non latency rhythm programing > > integrated into Logic. > That's the key point, at least for me. Of course, if somebody experiences > missing notes, that's a drag. But what I do is: Record everything > aligned to no-latency rhythm tracks. Then care about missing > notes in the *final* mixdown, e.g. by bouncing the EXS track to > a wav. Or do you also get missing notes when you just play the EXS > track(s) soloed? > > Cheers, > HK > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >
2000-08-25 by Logic User Music
I see your point :) It would be nice to route samples to different effects on the same MIDI channel. >From: Vicente Prats Fraser <vpratsfraser@...> >Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:25:09 +0200 >To: <exs-users@egroups.com> >Subject: Re: [exs] ESX Channels and Instruments. > >el 25/8/00 15:03, Logic User en exs_dude@... escribi\ufffd: > >>Phil, >> >>Yes, of course. You can have up to 16 instances (total instrument channels >>available in logic). >> >Sure enough, but they can't share the same 'midi channel' like Phil wants. > >Vicente ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
2000-08-27 by Phil Buckle
on 26/8/00 07:16, Logic User Music at exs_dude@... wrote: > I see your point :) It would be nice to route samples to different effects > on the same MIDI channel. > >> From: Vicente Prats Fraser <vpratsfraser@mac.com> >> Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com >> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:25:09 +0200 >> To: <exs-users@egroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [exs] ESX Channels and Instruments. >> >> el 25/8/00 15:03, Logic User en exs_dude@... escribió: >> >>> Phil, >>> >>> Yes, of course. You can have up to 16 instances (total instrument channels >>> available in logic). >>> >> Sure enough, but they can't share the same 'midi channel' like Phil wants. >> >> Vicente > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Yes that's my point . I don't think that ESX instruments can share the same midi channel. I'm trying to figure out the reasoning behind this. Perhaps there is a structure I don't know about or perhaps I am stuck in my ways. For example with Sample Cell the structure would be: Banks, Instruments, Samples. So a Bank would for example be a drum kit. The instruments within the Bank would be Kick, Snare, Toms, Hats, Perc and the Samples would be the individual components of each instrument. Each instrument would therefore have its own midi channel and output or share the same midi channel and output or share the same midi channel and have a different output or vice versa. Being used to this versatile method I don't understand why the EXS won't allow different instruments to have the same midi channel. It's possible to select the same channel but the instrument won't play. If one could select and thereby play more than one ESX instrument on the arrange page then this problem would be somewhat bypassed. Can this be done? Maybe there is some method using the environment to create an instrument that plays more than one ESX at a time, given that they are on different midi channels. Any Environment gurus out there? Phil Buckle.
2000-08-27 by Murray McDowall
At 09:16 PM 27/08/00 +1000, you wrote: >Yes that's my point . I don't think that ESX instruments can share the same >midi channel. >I'm trying to figure out the reasoning behind this. Perhaps there is a >structure I don't know about or perhaps I am stuck in my ways. >For example with Sample Cell the structure would be: Banks, Instruments, >Samples. >So a Bank would for example be a drum kit. The instruments within the Bank >would be Kick, Snare, Toms, Hats, Perc and the Samples would be the >individual components of each instrument. Yep, simultaneous performance of audio instruments like the ESX24 would be great for drums - but this feature would be desirable even for just splitting and layering melodic instrument parts. Currently you can't get more than one audio instrument to respond to unrecorded midi input simultaneously so the splits and layers any midi module/sampler will perform are not possible. I also really miss the range settings which audio instrument parameter boxes lack. I often record two parts simultaneously using a split patch eg bass and synth. I then copy the recorded sequence and send the range on each side of the split to separate instruments using the range parameters in the part boxes for each copy. This is not possible with audio instruments as they lack the range parameters so you need to remove the notes you don't want manually in an editor window. Regards, Murray R