EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi again guys,

after having started the "EXS scanning for instruments thread" I am about to
start a new one...

Though I am a deep user of Logic, up to now I used EXS mainly as a sample
player and have done only some basic editing in the Edit Window... hence I
got a couple of questions.

1) don't you think the new Multiple Outs possibility is a bit tricky in the
EXS? You have to open the edit window chanche the outs, save the instrument
with another name... etc etc...
it would be better to save the changes with the song, like it happens with
every instrument or plugin in logic (and if you want have the chance to save
a permanent Instrument)...

2) is there a way to apply a change to a lot of zones or groups like the one
used in the inspector?
Explain: if I open an instrument and want to change all the "kick" zones
(without a group) to out, say, 3, can I select all the sensible zones and
with a modifier (shoft or whatsoever) impart the command just once instead
of selecting zone by zone and applying the change. Same is true for
assigning zones to a groups, change out vol or whatever....
Is it possible to have relative and absolute changes?

I'm looking in the manual right now but can't find anithing about it...

Thanks,

and keep on playing!

Simone Coen

Thoughts from the mind of Simone Coen, 16-11-2002:

>1) don't you think the new Multiple Outs possibility is a bit tricky in the
>EXS? You have to open the edit window chanche the outs, save the instrument
>with another name... etc etc...
>it would be better to save the changes with the song, like it happens with
>every instrument or plugin in logic (and if you want have the chance to save
>a permanent Instrument)...

In your song folder, create a folder called "Sampler Instruments" 
(identical naming to the one in the Logic folder).  All instruments 
you store there will only be available from the song, and will thus 
not clutter up your menu when doing other songs.

>2) is there a way to apply a change to a lot of zones or groups like the one
>used in the inspector?
>Explain: if I open an instrument and want to change all the "kick" zones
>(without a group) to out, say, 3, can I select all the sensible zones and
>with a modifier (shoft or whatsoever) impart the command just once instead
>of selecting zone by zone and applying the change. Same is true for
>assigning zones to a groups, change out vol or whatever....
>Is it possible to have relative and absolute changes?

Select all zones you want to assign to a group, and while pressig the 
option-key, pick a group from the menu: all selected zones will be 
assigned to that group.  This works for quite a few parameters, like 
Single Shot and such.  Not for all though, unfortunately.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

OK heres a tip for ya,   say you are working on a song and have been using a
whole load of EXS salplers and sounds from your main exs libary,   do this

First, open the key commands window and go to the EXS section

assign a key command to the entry "Backup Audio files of all Used and active
Instruments of current song", I use SHIFT-B for backup, but you can use
whatever you want. close the window.

Open the exs instrument editor from the AUDIO menu

Press the command you made (SHIFT-B in my case)

what will happen is all the Used and active EXS Instruments you are using in
the current will be copied into the song folder for that particular song( it
will ask for the *.lso for the song)  the original exs instruments and
samples will unchanged and left where they are.

It will automaticly make a sampler Instruments folder and a folder for the
samples in the same folder where the .lso is.

If you have been puting all the audio files you have been recording in that
same folder you will now have a complete folder with every thing that song
needs to play, so when if you save it and give it to some one else they will
not need access to your libary to play the song,  or if you happen to be
unable to access your EXS libary for any reason, at least any song that uses
EXS stuff will have all it needs to play.

Also if you then EDIT of otherwise fuckup a exs instrument its only
affecting the copy in the song folder not the one in your main libary.

Ok what do I win?

Adam Calaitzis
Toyland Recording Studio
www.toyland.com.au

Simone Coen wrote:
> 1) don't you think the new Multiple Outs possibility is a bit tricky in
the
> EXS? You have to open the edit window chanche the outs, save the
instrument
> with another name... etc etc...
> it would be better to save the changes with the song, like it happens with
> every instrument or plugin in logic (and if you want have the chance to
save
> a permanent Instrument)...

Hendrik and Adam allready said most of what could be said, just a few
additions:
If you setup an instrument for multiout useage, there's not necessarily the
need to save it under a special name. The EXS is handling multiple outs
"dynamically", so you can still use the instrument as a single out one in
case you don't use it as a multiout instrument and/or have no auxes created.
Note: This ain't true for recycled loops! I have routed some slices of some
recycled loops to individual outs - after that the "extract sequence from
recycled instrument" function won't work properly any longer! A big, big
bummer, if you ask me - I hope they'll fix that soon.

> 2) is there a way to apply a change to a lot of zones or groups like the
one
> used in the inspector?
> Explain: if I open an instrument and want to change all the "kick" zones
> (without a group) to out, say, 3, can I select all the sensible zones and
> with a modifier (shoft or whatsoever) impart the command just once instead
> of selecting zone by zone and applying the change. Same is true for
> assigning zones to a groups, change out vol or whatever....
> Is it possible to have relative and absolute changes?

Again, Hendrik said most about it. The rule here is: The only thing possible
to be edited for multiple zones are "switches", i.e. one-shot, group
assignments and the likes. It is however impossible to edit any value fields
for multiple zones. Again a big bummer and most likely one of the most
annoying EXS shortcomings.
This would also answer your question about relative changes, it's impossible
as well!
But you're right, it'd be VERY nice if the EXS would allow for absolute and
relative changing of multiple selected zones parameters, just as possible
with the sequence parameter box (or the Event List, for that matter).

Regards,
Sascha

>
> In your song folder, create a folder called "Sampler Instruments"
> (identical naming to the one in the Logic folder).  All instruments
> you store there will only be available from the song, and will thus
> not clutter up your menu when doing other songs.

Thanks, I always do that (also using the Key Command for backup), but I
still think I should be able to reassing, if not zones, at least groups to
different outs from the interface not from the edit page, don't you think?
It would be a great time saver and mind debugger (I'm living in stress, my
computer has got to much stuff in it...)

> Select all zones you want to assign to a group, and while pressig the
> option-key, pick a group from the menu: all selected zones will be
> assigned to that group.  This works for quite a few parameters, like
> Single Shot and such.  Not for all though, unfortunately.

Thanks again... I see, as I thought, Emagic is short on this...

This group rocks!

Simone Coen