EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi EXS/Logic environment geniuses out there!

I have been trying to figure out a solution to a serious shortcoming in Logic 
with using Audio instruments for over a year. It's time for desperate 
measures!

I will give the first person to solve this problem a Spectrasonics CD-ROM 
library of their choosing (that's a value of up to $500 if you want Symphony 
of Voices!). BTW, all of our stuff converts great to the EXS.

Here's a page list of the juicy options awaiting the winner:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/products.html

OK..here's the brain twister:

I want to layer two audio instruments in real-time from MIDI input. I also 
want to use a split keyboard from MIDI input to have one audio instrument on 
the left and another on the right (in real-time).

Sounds simple...right?

Wrong....try it and you'll see the problem.

Logic only allows you to activate one in real-time. The environment should 
fix this, but no cabling tricks I've tried work. However, I know that the 
environment is incredibly powerful, and that there MUST be a solution in 
there somewhere!

This stuff is really easy to do with MIDI instruments, but with virtual 
instruments...OY!!

I have a keyboard that can send two MIDI channels at once, with zone ranges, 
all the Emagic interfaces and all of the functions of Logic Platinum at my 
disposal.

See if you can figure this out, and the first to do it will win the library 
of their choosing.

(BTW, don't tell me about making zones in the EXS...that's not an option 
here.)

Good luck and may the best man (or non-man) win!

Thanks,

Eric Persing
Creative Director
Spectrasonics

Hi Eric
I have found that the environment cabling on virtual instruments will only work
if you have
Logic actually playing and the virtual/Classic MIDI option enabled in the MIDI
communication page.

Example:
#1 Create a new instrument in the environment then cable it to both of the
Virtual Audio Instruments
you want to use.

#2 In the arrange page choose the new instrument you created then start Logic
running
both sounds should be playing.

There will be some latency on one of the sounds
RG


PersingEP@... wrote:

> Hi EXS/Logic environment geniuses out there!
>
> I have been trying to figure out a solution to a serious shortcoming in Logic
> with using Audio instruments for over a year. It's time for desperate
> measures!
>
> I will give the first person to solve this problem a Spectrasonics CD-ROM
> library of their choosing (that's a value of up to $500 if you want Symphony
> of Voices!). BTW, all of our stuff converts great to the EXS.
>
> Here's a page list of the juicy options awaiting the winner:
>
> http://www.spectrasonics.net/products.html
>
> OK..here's the brain twister:
>
> I want to layer two audio instruments in real-time from MIDI input. I also
> want to use a split keyboard from MIDI input to have one audio instrument on
> the left and another on the right (in real-time).
>
> Sounds simple...right?
>
> Wrong....try it and you'll see the problem.
>
> Logic only allows you to activate one in real-time. The environment should
> fix this, but no cabling tricks I've tried work. However, I know that the
> environment is incredibly powerful, and that there MUST be a solution in
> there somewhere!
>
> This stuff is really easy to do with MIDI instruments, but with virtual
> instruments...OY!!
>
> I have a keyboard that can send two MIDI channels at once, with zone ranges,
> all the Emagic interfaces and all of the functions of Logic Platinum at my
> disposal.
>
> See if you can figure this out, and the first to do it will win the library
> of their choosing.
>
> (BTW, don't tell me about making zones in the EXS...that's not an option
> here.)
>
> Good luck and may the best man (or non-man) win!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Persing
> Creative Director
> Spectrasonics
>
>
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Hi Eric,

I'm afraid I only have dissapointing news for you.
As Robert J Grierson allready said, you can only play one virtual instrument
in realtime. That's a limitation of Logic. The reason seems to be making
Logic more CPU efficient. You should know that all virtual instrument tracks
*only* playing back are switched to a higher buffersize, only the selected
instrument is switched to lower buffersizes to make it possible playing them
in realtime.
While this is very efficient in terms of CPU saving, it makes using multiple
virtual instruments in realtime impossible.
Also cabling any environment objects to those instruments doesn't bring any
cure. It's allways only the first connected instrument which will be
realtime playable (the one getting its signal from cable #1).
On playback however everything is fine as Logic will automatically
compensate latencies, no matter if the instrument track is *activated* or
not.

Hey, there's one good thing about it: You don't have to give a library away
for free :-)
(Apart from that, most people here are nice, they would help you with your
problems without a price anyways.)

Regards,
Sascha

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>

> I'm afraid I only have dissapointing news for you.
> As Robert J Grierson allready said, you can only play one virtual
instrument
> in realtime. That's a limitation of Logic.

You should see Halion on a Cubase machine with the Drum track mixer.
Talk about having "a better way" of doing it...

--
Arvid Solvang
http://www.viagram.no/

Arvid Solvang wrote:
> You should see Halion on a Cubase machine with the Drum track mixer.
> Talk about having "a better way" of doing it...

I own both Cubase and HALion as well and I must agree, there's some
strengths in that combination.
Anyways, while we are at comparing things, I never use any of the two
though. Cubase I don't use because all the handling is flawed (my major
reason to switch to Logic a few years ago) and, while it might be a bit
better for mixing in some aspects (even if it uses up more CPU power) it's
just no good for composing at all, IMO.
HALion I don't use because it still has a major bug with looping small
wavefiles and because it doesn't offer any sample management at all which is
totally inacceptable for a software sampler. Can't believe they overlooked
something that obvious.

Regards,
Sascha

:) I just wish EXS offered velocity cross-fade switching. Even my years-old
ASR-10 (that sits collecting dust) can do that very well. This is one of my
BIGGEST gripes!

> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:38:05 +0100
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Free Spectrasonics library if you can figure this out
> first!
> 
> Arvid Solvang wrote:
>> You should see Halion on a Cubase machine with the Drum track mixer.
>> Talk about having "a better way" of doing it...
> 
> I own both Cubase and HALion as well and I must agree, there's some
> strengths in that combination.
> Anyways, while we are at comparing things, I never use any of the two
> though. Cubase I don't use because all the handling is flawed (my major
> reason to switch to Logic a few years ago) and, while it might be a bit
> better for mixing in some aspects (even if it uses up more CPU power) it's
> just no good for composing at all, IMO.
> HALion I don't use because it still has a major bug with looping small
> wavefiles and because it doesn't offer any sample management at all which is
> totally inacceptable for a software sampler. Can't believe they overlooked
> something that obvious.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha
> 
> 
> 
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on 12/5/01 10:55 PM, Sascha Franck at saschafranck@... wrote:

> Hey, there's one good thing about it: You don't have to give a library away
> for free :-)
> (Apart from that, most people here are nice, they would help you with your
> problems without a price anyways.)
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha


However, because of all the nice people here, including Eric of course (am I
laying it on thick enough yet), maybe he'll consider just giving everyone
here a free library ;^)

Actually.... Counting up all the freebies in his 'Tune In' page, I think he
already has.


Keeping this a little more on topic, I haven't seen much traffic here
regarding the new Back Beat discs, but I have recently received my copies. I
have had next to no time to play around with them, but I what time I have
had, I can say that I'm looking forward to spending more time with them.
Very usable out of the box, so to speak, for quick scratch tracks and I
anticipate them to be great for finish work as well.

The only question/query I have for anyone out there has to do with importing
the GC midi files. Whenever I copy/drag any of the files into a new project
I get a dialogue window that says something to the effect of 'New SMPTE rate
detected, do you wish to change?'. I just click through it and everything is
fine, but I was wondering why this is happening with BB only, and not with
the Retro Funk collection? Would there be a reason one would have been
created at a different rate?



Regards,

    Shane


-- 
Shane Fawkes, 
Director of Music, 
Walnut Grove Secondary School,
Langley, B.C. Canada

sfawkes@...
sfawkes@...

The point here, I believe, was that there is a technical flaw in the looping
of wav files. When you have such a fundamental problem (if what was said was
true) then regardless of how awesome the program is, there's a major problem
with it.

Wait for Logic 5 (regarding mixer settings). It's automation will leave your
chin on the floor.

I could go on but this is a bit off topic and non-productive.

> From: "Arvid Solvang" <arvid@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:36:45 +0100
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Free Spectrasonics library if you can figure this out
> first!
> 
> Huh!
> What can't you do inside HALion that you can do inside EXS24?
> You can copy/move/rename/edit/replace etc...

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>

> Anyways, while we are at comparing things, I never use any of the two
> though. Cubase I don't use because all the handling is flawed (my major
> reason to switch to Logic a few years ago)

Have you worked in Cubase 5.1?
A friend in the next door studio is using it and i really envy him a lot of
what Cubase does.
What do you mean by flawed?

> and, while it might be a bit
> better for mixing in some aspects (even if it uses up more CPU power)
Cubase 5.1 is AMD optimized and it really gave my friend a lot better
performance.

> it's
> just no good for composing at all, IMO.

???!!!
Try working on a drumgroove inside only EXS24 samplers in Logic.
Cubase's drumeditor really beats Logic in a creative way...

> HALion I don't use because it still has a major bug with looping small
> wavefiles and because it doesn't offer any sample management at all which
is
> totally inacceptable for a software sampler. Can't believe they overlooked
> something that obvious.

Huh!
What can't you do inside HALion that you can do inside EXS24?
You can copy/move/rename/edit/replace etc...

Don't get me wring...
I'm a die hard Logic user for years, but to me it seems like Cubase really
have gotten things working good.
Their new softsynths/plugins/ really kicks ass IMO.

And automating them is ten times better in Cubase.

And also:
They can save mixer setting.
(I have been doing drum tracks for 6 new songs today :)

--
Arvid Solvang
http://www.viagram.no/

HELP@... on 7/12/01 1:41 AM, HELP@... at
HELP@... wrote:

> :) I just wish EXS offered velocity cross-fade switching. Even my years-old
> ASR-10 (that sits collecting dust) can do that very well. This is one of my
> BIGGEST gripes!

Agreed. But don't think the ASR is/was not a worthy beast. Very advanced
editing features - that none of the other samplers can do even now.


-- 
/\/\/\/\/\-/\/\/\-/\/\/\/\/\
Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
Studios 301 - "The Lounge Room"
http://www.jaminajar.com.au/the_Lounge_Room.html
http://www.301.com.au

Yes, indeed... sans resonate filtering :( It served me very well!

> From: Paul Najar <pnajar@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:20:56 +1100
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Free Spectrasonics library if you can figure this out
> first!
> 
> HELP@... on 7/12/01 1:41 AM, HELP@... at
> HELP@... wrote:
> 
>> :) I just wish EXS offered velocity cross-fade switching. Even my years-old
>> ASR-10 (that sits collecting dust) can do that very well. This is one of my
>> BIGGEST gripes!
> 
> Agreed. But don't think the ASR is/was not a worthy beast. Very advanced
> editing features - that none of the other samplers can do even now.
> 
> 
> -- 
> /\/\/\/\/\-/\/\/\-/\/\/\/\/\
> Paul Najar
> Jaminajar Music Production
> Studios 301 - "The Lounge Room"
> http://www.jaminajar.com.au/the_Lounge_Room.html
> http://www.301.com.au
> 
> 
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HELP@... on 7/12/01 11:18 AM, HELP@... at
HELP@... wrote:

> Yes, indeed... sans resonate filtering :( It served me very well!

That's correct if you don't count the Waveboy resonant filter FX plugin....



-- 
/\/\/\/\/\-/\/\/\-/\/\/\/\/\
Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
Studios 301 - "The Lounge Room"
http://www.jaminajar.com.au/the_Lounge_Room.html
http://www.301.com.au

Thereby eliminating use of other FX which I always needed at the time. =)
> 
> That's correct if you don't count the Waveboy resonant filter FX plugin....