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hi all ppl, please could you tell me what would you be most desirable. a SDS8 or SDS800 ? and why?

cheers!

memtechlist skrev:
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> 
> hi all ppl, please could you tell me what would you be most desirable. a 
> SDS8 or SDS800 ? and why?
> 
> cheers!


I haven't used the SDS-800 but heard good things about it. Especially if 
you dig deeper and are prepared to modify it...

The SDS-8 is a classic, but quite a lame one imho.

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electronically yours, jesper

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The SDS8 has one more Tom channel, the SDS800 has the (in my oppionion boring) "second skin" Filter and the (also boring) "run genrator", a cold comfort for the missing channel. As a drummer I would miss the third tom, so my favourite (out of your choice of course): SDS8 is the lesser of the two eveils ;-)
If you are talking about complete packages containing brain AND pads: The SDS800 came with much better (Mark IV) pads

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:

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> memtechlist skrev:
> >  
> > 
> > hi all ppl, please could you tell me what would you be most desirable. a 
> > SDS8 or SDS800 ? and why?
> > 
> > cheers!
> 
> 
> I haven't used the SDS-800 but heard good things about it. Especially if 
> you dig deeper and are prepared to modify it...
> 
> The SDS-8 is a classic, but quite a lame one imho.
> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> 
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>

superwolle70 skrev:
>  
> 
> The SDS8 has one more Tom channel, the SDS800 has the (in my oppionion 
> boring) "second skin" Filter and the (also boring) "run genrator", a 
> cold comfort for the missing channel. As a drummer I would miss the 
> third tom, so my favourite (out of your choice of course): SDS8 is the 
> lesser of the two eveils ;-)
> If you are talking about complete packages containing brain AND pads: 
> The SDS800 came with much better (Mark IV) pads

...and since he owns a nice SDS-V set I see no need! :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se

I have used both of them and sold 800 and 1000, but keep the SDS8.
It sounds much better imho..
I beleive it has discrete components except CEM3372 filter and also a much harder click than 200/800/1000.
And SDS800 i'm sure consist of synth-on-a-chip CEM3396 (or 3394 don't remember), and sounds not good for me..
Second skin is almost useless feature imho.
But, again i would prefer Tama TS305 against both of them..

XOR


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:

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> superwolle70 skrev:
> >  
> > 
> > The SDS8 has one more Tom channel, the SDS800 has the (in my oppionion 
> > boring) "second skin" Filter and the (also boring) "run genrator", a 
> > cold comfort for the missing channel. As a drummer I would miss the 
> > third tom, so my favourite (out of your choice of course): SDS8 is the 
> > lesser of the two eveils ;-)
> > If you are talking about complete packages containing brain AND pads: 
> > The SDS800 came with much better (Mark IV) pads
> 
> ...and since he owns a nice SDS-V set I see no need! :D
> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> 
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>

I just received a set of SDS-8 pads and I have had a SDS 8 module for a year or two and have been patiently waiting for the pads. Hooked them up today, but I need some new cables. I was going to order some 6 ft cables but I am not sure what type of cables they came with stock. 

In any case, I'm glad the sds8 includes the factory/variable switch, because you get both the standard sounds and the programmed sounds. So far I'm really digging it. BTW new member here. Looking forward to delving deeper. Does anyone know what the sequencer connector can be used with? 

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "xorsister" <delon.alien@...> wrote:

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> I have used both of them and sold 800 and 1000, but keep the SDS8.
> It sounds much better imho..
> I beleive it has discrete components except CEM3372 filter and also a much harder click than 200/800/1000.
> And SDS800 i'm sure consist of synth-on-a-chip CEM3396 (or 3394 don't remember), and sounds not good for me..
> Second skin is almost useless feature imho.
> But, again i would prefer Tama TS305 against both of them..
> 
> XOR
> 
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote:
> >
> > superwolle70 skrev:
> > >  
> > > 
> > > The SDS8 has one more Tom channel, the SDS800 has the (in my oppionion 
> > > boring) "second skin" Filter and the (also boring) "run genrator", a 
> > > cold comfort for the missing channel. As a drummer I would miss the 
> > > third tom, so my favourite (out of your choice of course): SDS8 is the 
> > > lesser of the two eveils ;-)
> > > If you are talking about complete packages containing brain AND pads: 
> > > The SDS800 came with much better (Mark IV) pads
> > 
> > ...and since he owns a nice SDS-V set I see no need! :D
> > 
> > -- 
> > electronically yours, jesper
> > 
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se
> >
>

John skrev:
> I just received a set of SDS-8 pads and I have had a SDS 8 module for a 
> year or two and have been patiently waiting for the pads. Hooked them up 
> today, but I need some new cables. I was going to order some 6 ft cables 
> but I am not sure what type of cables they came with stock.

The SDS-8 uses standard plugs with standard wiring. You can order just 
about any with 6,35 mm plug or solder yourself if you want to adjust 
lengths yourself and/or save cash.

> In any case, I'm glad the sds8 includes the factory/variable switch, 
> because you get both the standard sounds and the programmed sounds. So 
> far I'm really digging it. BTW new member here. Looking forward to 
> delving deeper. Does anyone know what the sequencer connector can be 
> used with?

I guess it's for the SDS-6 sequencer or just an even easier way to 
interface modern trigging equipment etc. It's been a while since I owned 
one and I never explored that socket any deeper.

Once again, welcome to a great gathering of lunatics! :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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www.electronic-obsession.se

Welcome John,

I'm a big SDS-8 fan myself.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
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> John skrev:

> > In any case, I'm glad the sds8 includes the factory/variable switch, 
> > because you get both the standard sounds and the programmed sounds. 

If you open the case up, you'll find the "factory sound" is set by small trimpots that duplicate the front panel pots - twist those and you'll have your own, custom made "factory" presets!

NB use a non-metallic tool for safety.

According to the schematics, there's an unused resonance control input on the filter chip, too.  I haven't investigated that further, but it is intriguing.

> > Does anyone know what the sequencer connector can be 
> > used with?
> 
> I guess it's for the SDS-6 sequencer or just an even easier way to 
> interface modern trigging equipment etc. 

IIRC, there's a pin for each drum voice, and a ground.  Hit the right pin with a +7V (?) pulse, and you trigger a voice - simple as that.

There's a MIDI converter suitable for it here:

http://www.elby-designs.com/midi2sds/midi2sds-about.htm

Cheers,

Clae.