The best solution is what simmons eventually did them selves , Stick a rubber coating on the original pads =) I dislike those anti vibration sticks , tried them once , hard to explain , but they feel nasty . I too have tried aheads and thats even worse ! , the so called 'unbreakable' stick is breakable ! twice even ! As for the pads , the surface is merely stuck to a wooden frame , no rubber or absorber whatsoever . --- On Wed, 10/12/08, rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@...> wrote: > From: rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@...> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Vibrating Bones > To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 5:09 PM > OK, let's just agree that we disagree. > > But please be sure of your descriptions of the pads as you > refer to their construction. The SDSV pads do have vibration > absorbing rubber shock mounts inside. Pull off the rim and > shell and take a look. I know it's not much, but I have > to believe it's a bit more dampening than striking a > thick chunk of metal like a zil-bel or the very center of a > 22" tri-tonal cymbal with the meat of the stick. > > I think the goal should not be an endless and worthless > debate, but to provide a solution or ( at the very least ) > alternative to a problem that clearly affects everyone > differently. > > OK, we all agree the SDSV pads are hard. Unfortunately the > SDSV modules require the type of output that only the poly > pads produce in order to unleash their raw sonic power. So > let's think outside the pad for a second: Sticks. I > notice many of the hard hitting older drummers are turning > to Ahead drumsticks. I haven't yet tried them > personally, but the V.R.S. ( Vibration Reduction System ) > seems to be a nice alternative rather than giving up on > certain equipment or on playing all-together. Anyone use > these? > > - Roland > http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner > http://home.rr.com/zengine > > > don't forget there have been 2 SDS7 pads generation... > The last is the one you're mentioning Roland ... > Same Pads as the SDS9 ones... > > & Yes Sander, I agree with you I can't understand > people wanting to > play on SDSV pads ... > Even the MArkIII (or IV) are already a pain but the MArk I, > MArk > II .... ouch !!!! > > I don't really share your point of view Roland...the > SDSV pads for me > are unplayable...I have some only for the collection. > But I guess , even if I can't deal with it, some other > people might > succeed... > > Hey Roland I think we had this discussion previously... ;- > ) > I don't agree with that thoughts but I respect your > experience. > > I think for someone who has some wrist fatigue , it's > obvious that you > have to avoid to play any Simmons pad &even any > electronic drums pads > except Mesheads ones... > > What you're forgetting mentionning all the hard > surfaces like IceBell > cymbals etc ... They are vibrating & absorbing some of > the > energy ...the SDSV pads are not at all ! > all the energy comes back to you....even when using some > motions > techniques ...when your wrist (tendons) have been hurt its > too late , > as soon as you will start again the injury will remind to > you . > I needed several years to practice again in that way taking > the risk > to play for a few minutes SImmons pads. > (that's what I experimented now ...it might be > different for > someonelse.) > > I used to play in that 4 or 5 hours gigs (60 dates) with > Tama & Roland > pads... I think the problem came from that intensive > practice ... > So With Simmons pads I would never have held on 10 dates. > > But if you can deal with the SDSV pads no offence really ! > ;- ) you > are one of the rare human being who can ... So it's > pretty positive ;- ) > > Given that the fact is I love all the SImmons pad look ! > but I'm not > keen to play them anymore. > > It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ? > anyone else ? > > hope that helps, > Patriec. > > Le 10 déc. 08 à 04:49, rolandbrenner@... a écrit > : > > > What a great discussion !!! > > > > I think if you really give this some serious thought > Sander, you > > will realise that the angle in which you strike > something has more > > than "little to do" with technique as far as > fatigue goes. I'm not > > trying to argue, it's just a simple fact. The way > the human bone and > > muscle structure absorbs and emits energy is something > not to be > > ignored. There's actually a drum stick > manufacturer ( doctor ) that > > rotationally balances his sticks in order to perfect > the way one's > > hand and wrist repeatedly strikes a surface with > regards to all of > > this. If you gig regularly like I do, try setting up > your toms at 45 > > degrees each and observe what happens to you over > time. > > > > Anyway, the balance you are looking for still seems to > be with the > > SDS9 series and not the 7's according to what you > are describing > > here. That is unless there's something I'm not > understanding. The > > 9's have a floating surface which the 7's do > not. If wrist fatigue > > is one of your issues, the 9's are a much better > alternative > > ( give ) and look 95% the same cosmetically. Much > better mounts to > > boot. I personally don't mind the feel of the > v's, but only for toms > > since they are non-repetetive in terms of how often > you strike them. > > Also, the reality with the v's is their strength > and power is in the > > sound of the toms anyway, so there you go !!! > > > > There's no doubt in my mind that the v's are > hard, but then again so > > are ice bells, chimes, rims, cymbals, cymbal bells, > wood blocks, > > stands ( courtesy, Buddy Rich ), etc. etc. etc. As you > stated, they > > ( v's ) probably just aren't for you. > > > > Anyway, at a starting bid of only 99 cents USD for > those 7's, you > > may want to consider contacting this seller for > shipping > > arrangements. It might still be worth your while if > you really want > > them. > > > > Or, those who want some great SDSV pads, consider > buying these 7's > > and trading with Saunder. Send us some pics of what > you have please > > as I may take you up on that deal, although I'm > currently busy > > beyond belief. > > > > Peace, > > > > - Roland > > > > > > It has little to do with the angle of the drum , > > its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums > sends back > > into your stick through to your wrist which cannot > be absorbed > > aswell when > > playing stroke rolls single strokes , > > I remember reading somewhere this was often the case > for meny > > drummers , > > including bill bruford ! > > on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither > are the loud chick > > sounds , > > I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ? > =p > > Thank you for the link Roland ! > > unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too > great... > > hope to bump into this kit one day = > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=related > > > =p > > > > Sander > > > > > > - Roland > http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner > http://home.rr.com/zengine > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval > today > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc1k17kYBYtwUBmc9OcNZlpRCxc6NiWSqi0a8kV2FBzAY3wK2/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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Re: [Simmons Drums] Vibrating Bones
2008-12-10 by sander villers